Where's the Eddie love?

[TOM "tbw1"]

He ruled in favor of the University. He stated that Nolan believed he was racially discriminated against but he didn't say HE believed it and didn't rule that discrimination had occurred.

I suggest reading again.  He plainly found discrimination occurred but it was not the reasoning for the firing.  The court basically found that Nolan had fired himself.  Had he not held the presser and was fired as Coach Broyles intended to do in 2000, the outcome would have been far different.

[Mick Hogger]

Eddie may have built it up, but Nolan had to rebuild the team to his players to take it to the next level. It wasn't like he just took Eddie's players and kept it rolling right along.

Now if only we could do it in Football and have Petrino build it up, leave while pissing the majority of the fans off on his way out, and Bret come in and change the team to his team and carry on. People were trying to run Nolan off from the start saying his brand of basketball wouldn't work. Those people turned out to be absolute fools.

[GuvHog]

I suggest reading again.  He plainly found discrimination occurred but it was not the reasoning for the firing.  The court basically found that Nolan had fired himself.  Had he not held the presser and was fired as Coach Broyles intended to do in 2000, the outcome would have been far different.

That's the point I made. Nolan filed the suit because he believed he was discriminated against when he was fired. The Judge said Nolan believed that but it wasn't the case.

[ErieHog]

That's the point I made. Nolan filed the suit because he believed he was discriminated against when he was fired. The Judge said Nolan believed that but it wasn't the case.

No-- this has to be you deliberately missing the point.    The judge didn't say that Nolan was not discriminated against;  he said that there was ample evidence to suggest he was.  The only reason Nolan didn't win, is because he plainly fired himself, rendering the judge-acknowledged discrimination, moot.

[TOM "tbw1"]

No-- this has to be you deliberately missing the point.    The judge didn't say that Nolan was not discriminated against;  he said that there was ample evidence to suggest he was.  The only reason Nolan didn't win, is because he plainly fired himself, rendering the judge-acknowledged discrimination, moot.

Thank you.

[GuvHog]

No-- this has to be you deliberately missing the point.    The judge didn't say that Nolan was not discriminated against;  he said that there was ample evidence to suggest he was.  The only reason Nolan didn't win, is because he plainly fired himself, rendering the judge-acknowledged discrimination, moot.

So Nolan shot himself in the foot. That seemed to be a constant thing in the latter years of his tenure. Just to make sure you and Tom know where I stand on Nolan, When he was hired, I was one of his biggest supporters and I stayed that way until he made that speech after his last loss to Kentucky. He lost a lot of support because of that speech.

[ErieHog]

So Nolan shot himself in the foot. That seemed to be a constant thing in the latter years of his tenure. Just to make sure you and Tom know where I stand on Nolan, When he was hired, I was one of his biggest supporters and I stayed that way until he made that speech after his last loss to Kentucky. He lost a lot of support because of that speech.

We know where you stand on Nolan-- on top of a tremendous pile of nonsense and denial.

[bigredone]

So Nolan shot himself in the foot. That seemed to be a constant thing in the latter years of his tenure. Just to make sure you and Tom know where I stand on Nolan, When he was hired, I was one of his biggest supporters and I stayed that way until he made that speech after his last loss to Kentucky. He lost a lot of support because of that speech.

But you are still good with Frank's side of that relationship, correct? I wouldn't ever want to see you admit that in his last ten years or so Frank might not have been acting in the best interest of the University. Don't ever let the facts convince you otherwise.

[GuvHog]

But you are still good with Frank's side of that relationship, correct? I wouldn't ever want to see you admit that in his last ten years or so Frank might not have been acting in the best interest of the University. Don't ever let the facts convince you otherwise.

No, Frank made many mistakes during that time. As I have often stated, Nolan, Frank, and John White were all guilty of wrong doing. It was just one big MESS.

[GuvHog]

We know where you stand on Nolan-- on top of a tremendous pile of nonsense and denial.

So it's wrong to believe that all 3 (Nolan, Frank, and John White) were guilty of wrong doing???

Nolan is to date the greatest Basketball HC the Hogs have ever had but to act like he was totally innocent is to have ones head in the sand.

[ErieHog]

So it's wrong to believe that all 3 (Nolan, Frank, and John White) were guilty of wrong doing???

Nolan is to date the greatest Basketball HC the Hogs have ever had but to act like he was totally innocent is to have ones head in the sand.

That's not what you are doing, though.   What you are doing is living in an alternative reality where fact has only passing relevance to impression.  It is classic GuvLand stuff.

[TOM "tbw1"]

So it's wrong to believe that all 3 (Nolan, Frank, and John White) were guilty of wrong doing???

Nolan is to date the greatest Basketball HC the Hogs have ever had but to act like he was totally innocent is to have ones head in the sand.

What wrongdoing did Coach Broyles do in regard to Coach Richardson?

If there was wrongdoing by Coach Broyles in regard to Coach Richardson, what other alternative did Coach Richardson have other than federal court?  Remember at all times Coach Broyles was the face of the athletic department.

[panhandlepig]

  This discussion is like trying to herd cats. Can we all agree that Eddie Sutton made mistakes? Can we all agree that Frank and Nolan made mistakes?

  At some point, you gotta accept those mistakes and look at the bigger picture of their accomplishments. I loved Eddie and enjoyed his time at the U of A. Eddie has a court named after him. It is an appropriate tribute.

  I'm all for naming the court after Nolan. I don't give a dang about how it all ended anymore.  With hind-sight, I can understand how and why it ended the way it did. The story of Nolan and the UofA National Championship will always include the end. So what?

  We can celebrate the accomplishment of a man and a history making program without ignoring history. Name the court after Nolan and move past all this crap...WPS

   



 

[bigredone]

  This discussion is like trying to herd cats. Can we all agree that Eddie Sutton made mistakes? Can we all agree that Frank and Nolan made mistakes?

  At some point, you gotta accept those mistakes and look at the bigger picture of their accomplishments. I loved Eddie and enjoyed his time at the U of A. Eddie has a court named after him. It is an appropriate tribute.

  I'm all for naming the court after Nolan. I don't give a dang about how it all ended anymore.  With hind-sight, I can understand how and why it ended the way it did. The story of Nolan and the UofA National Championship will always include the end. So what?

  We can celebrate the accomplishment of a man and a history making program without ignoring history. Name the court after Nolan and move past all this crap...WPS

   



 

I agree with this. I know that Frank was not perfect but I am not for tearing his name down around the campus. Nolan was not perfect but he has brought home the only national championship in basketball that we ever had. Our court should be named for him. Eddie was a pretty good coach that had his best years at his alma mater and has a court named after him there without a NC.

John White can go "kick rocks" to quote one of my favorite posters. His name shall live in infamy.

[HognitiveDissonance]

This thread is so idiotic.
Eddie built this program. Nolan then took it to the next level.
Eddie has took four programs to the NCAAs. Nolan was won championships on three levels.
Both had their share of problems and faults---like we all do.
Do we really need this petty discussion?
Both did wonderful things for Arkansas basketball.
Both should be in the Hall of Fame. Nolan made it, I'm confident Eddie will too. His day will come.
Leave it at that.

[TOM "tbw1"]

This thread is so idiotic.
Eddie built this program. Nolan then took it to the next level.
Eddie has took four programs to the NCAAs. Nolan was won championships on three levels.
Both had their share of problems and faults---like we all do.
Do we really need this petty discussion?
Both did wonderful things for Arkansas basketball.
Both should be in the Hall of Fame. Nolan made it, I'm confident Eddie will too. His day will come.
Leave it at that.

Excellent

[GuvHog]

This thread is so idiotic.
Eddie built this program. Nolan then took it to the next level.
Eddie has took four programs to the NCAAs. Nolan was won championships on three levels.
Both had their share of problems and faults---like we all do.
Do we really need this petty discussion?
Both did wonderful things for Arkansas basketball.
Both should be in the Hall of Fame. Nolan made it, I'm confident Eddie will too. His day will come.
Leave it at that.

I couldn't agree more. +1

[nextlevel]

This thread is so idiotic.
Eddie built this program. Nolan then took it to the next level.
Eddie has took four programs to the NCAAs. Nolan was won championships on three levels.
Both had their share of problems and faults---like we all do.
Do we really need this petty discussion?
Both did wonderful things for Arkansas basketball.
Both should be in the Hall of Fame. Nolan made it, I'm confident Eddie will too. His day will come.
Leave it at that.

Eddie Sutton isn't deserving of the HOF, he was a decent coach, but not a HOF coach.

[Jek Tono Porkins]

What wrongdoing did Coach Broyles do in regard to Coach Richardson?

If there was wrongdoing by Coach Broyles in regard to Coach Richardson, what other alternative did Coach Richardson have other than federal court?  Remember at all times Coach Broyles was the face of the athletic department.

According to Nolan, Broyles did a lot. Evidently, during the 2000 SEC Tournament, which the Hogs ended up winning, the ref told Nolan that Broyles told the ref to give Nolan a technical if he stepped out of line. That comes from the "conversations with coach" series on youtube.

[bigredone]

Eddie Sutton isn't deserving of the HOF, he was a decent coach, but not a HOF coach.

KY is definitely a black mark on his record. Hard to overcome losing at the second most storied basketball school. And he left them in hot water with the NCAA.

[GuvHog]

Eddie Sutton isn't deserving of the HOF, he was a decent coach, but not a HOF coach.

He's already in the College Basketball Hall of Fame as is Nolan. He'll eventually make the Naismith Hall 0f Fame too.

[nextlevel]

He's already in the College Basketball Hall of Fame as is Nolan. He'll eventually make the Naismith Hall 0f Fame too.

When other more deserving candidates run out, years down the road.

[snortman]

KY is definitely a black mark on his record. Hard to overcome losing at the second most storied basketball school. And he left them in hot water with the NCAA.

How is 88-39 overall and 48-24 Conf Losing? made the NCAA tourney 3 out of 4 years. Overall record of 888-342. Give me some of that right now. We can't even make it back with a Richardson Clone (3) years and counting. 

[DLUXHOG]

This thread is so idiotic.
Eddie built this program. Nolan then took it to the next level.
Eddie has took four programs to the NCAAs. Nolan was won championships on three levels.
Both had their share of problems and faults---like we all do.
Do we really need this petty discussion?
Both did wonderful things for Arkansas basketball.
Both should be in the Hall of Fame. Nolan made it, I'm confident Eddie will too. His day will come.
Leave it at that.

+1  everyone needs to sit still for a moment and remember what they felt when Arkansas won the NC... and relish that emotion now.....  We were Top Dog for a moment...

[bigredone]

How is 88-39 overall and 48-24 Conf Losing? made the NCAA tourney 3 out of 4 years. Overall record of 888-342. Give me some of that right now. We can't even make it back with a Richardson Clone (3) years and counting. 

He is the only coach in KY history to have a losing season. He left them in a mess with the NCAA that so far it seems Cal isn't even doing there. His time at KY is what keeps him out of the HOF.

[nextlevel]

He is the only coach in KY history to have a losing season. He left them in a mess with the NCAA that so far it seems Cal isn't even doing there. His time at KY is what keeps him out of the HOF.

He isn't the only coach to have had a losing season at UK, but he has been the only one since the roaring 20s.

He also had a losing record while at San Francisco.

Combine UK, USF, and the fact he never played for a NC, let alone win one, it isn't a HOF career, other, better, HOF worthy coaches have coached an equal amount of time compiling more wins and NCs.