Where's the Eddie love?

[thirrdegreetusker]

With some folks wanting "Nolan Richardson Court" to honor his considerable accomplishments, I kinda feel sorry for Eddie.

NR took a perennial top 25 program, and led them to a NCAA title. Eddie took a program at rock bottom, with a dirt floor surrounding the court, and made it into a top 25 program.

Just seems like Eddie's task was a little more difficult. But the "crawl to KY" comment may have doomed him.

[IronMountainHog]

When they find you drunk passed out in the car on campus doesn't help either.

[Mick Hogger]

Eddie's got a court named after him at his alma mater. No reason to feel too bad for him.

[grayhawg]

Eddie did a great job here until he decided to CRAWL to Lexington.

[The Boar War]

I'm appreciative of Eddie and you're right he did build Arkansas basketball into what it was.  That being said I wouldn't name my child after a former wife who left me for someone else.

[ErieHog]

It left with him, on his hands and knees.

Screw Eddie.

[Mr. Porkleone]

When they find you drunk passed out in the car on campus doesn't help either.

I think that's better than SUING your employer!

[chiti66]

Not taking sides, loved both.  However, if there is cause to sue your employer, then it is not only warranted, but prudent.  On the other hand, saying you'd "crawl" to an opponent......don't think so homie.

[Boston RedHogs]

I think that's better than SUING your employer!

You mean former employer, right?

And if you're going to cite the suit Richardson brought against JFB and the UofA in a manner against Nolan, then you better do the same against JFB and the UofA because there was plenty of blame to go around.

[rupert]

Nolan blasted Arkansas---went out of his way to say things that he knew or should have known would hurt future recruiting....while we can forgive, we shouldn't forget  (no one wants to forget the crawl to Kentucky quote which is mild indeed compared to what Nolan spewed on his way out the door)

[Breems]

Erie never disappoints in these threads.

[The Boar War]

Nm

[ErieHog]

Erie never disappoints in these threads.

As long as the Sutton Whitewash campaign continues,  I'll be around to remind people of how he left.

[bigredone]

As long as the Sutton Whitewash campaign continues,  I'll be around to remind people of how he left.

Sutton did nothing ground breaking in the game of basketball,  he coached basically the same style that all the major schools were coaching at the time. As a result Sutton only had 1 Final Four at AR and honestly it was because of his exceptionally talented team. If he had not had the "Triplets" he would have been strictly average. When he had exceptional talent he was pretty good but honestly never "GREAT". I have no ill will on his leaving AR because we should all have seen the truth of the FB error as AD by now.

Nolan changed the game of college basketball. Rules were changed to hamper the defense that he taught because the so called "greats" in the coaching world could not handle it without extra preparation. His defense could even the court against teams with more talent. People with open minds and eyes know what caused his recruiting problems and know his issues with FB (MOTHO got a two year pass while Broyles wanted to fire Nolan before his final outburst).

In summary, Eddie was good for the Razorbacks, but Nolan was Great. Eddie has his court where it should be, OSU. That school is where he had his greatest achievement.

Nolan ended his college career at AR. Both he and Eddie ended their time at AR because of FB.

[k.c.hawg]

I was following Arkansas basketball a few years before Eddie got there. Other than a couple of exciting players, Martin Terry and Dean Tolson it was about as far off the map as it could be. Eddie came in and with the Triplets put Arkansas basketball on the map. During his tenure there were good tourney runs, Barnhell arena, All Americans, Olympians and high NBA draft picks. He did crawl to Kentucky but he laid the groundwork for the Arkansas basketball program. Nolan did have less work to do on the infrastructure but when he had his chance to get to the pinnacle he seized it. You name the court for him because of the National Championship and a style of play that was so exciting that they had to build a 20,000 seat arena to satisfy ticket demand. That being said, you don't name the court after Nolan without a National Championship (should have been two).

[snortman]

Sutton did nothing ground breaking in the game of basketball,  he coached basically the same style that all the major schools were coaching at the time. As a result Sutton only had 1 Final Four at AR and honestly it was because of his exceptionally talented team. If he had not had the "Triplets" he would have been strictly average. When he had exceptional talent he was pretty good but honestly never "GREAT". I have no ill will on his leaving AR because we should all have seen the truth of the FB error as AD by now.

Nolan changed the game of college basketball. Rules were changed to hamper the defense that he taught because the so called "greats" in the coaching world could not handle it without extra preparation. His defense could even the court against teams with more talent. People with open minds and eyes know what caused his recruiting problems and know his issues with FB (MOTHO got a two year pass while Broyles wanted to fire Nolan before his final outburst).

In summary, Eddie was good for the Razorbacks, but Nolan was Great. Eddie has his court where it should be, OSU. That school is where he had his greatest achievement.

Nolan ended his college career at AR. Both he and Eddie ended their time at AR because of FB.

Sutton went 16-0 in the conf. Let me repeat that 16-0. Nolan with all his talent never ever did that. Eddie was one traveling call away from going to Back to back F4's. Eddie was not just good he was GREAT. 

Thank god for Corliss because without him we don't win the NC.

[Bkhardicars]

Eddie laid a good foundation in his 7 years, though his accomplishments are small compared to Nolans mostly loyal 17 years here and his accomplishments. That being said , I appreciate Eddies accomplishments and like him, wish him well, but I love NOlan.

[jabberjawls]

-1

[jabberjawls]

I think that's better than SUING your employer!

AMEN!  People have a short memory.

[grayhawg]

AMEN!  People have a short memory.

How about the I would have crawled to Lexington statement Sutton made when leaving Arkansas? Was that okay with you?

[nextlevel]

It left with him, on his hands and knees.

Screw Eddie.

Eddie had to crawl because he was too drunk to walk.

[thirrdegreetusker]

and a style of play that was so exciting that they had to build a 20,000 seat arena to satisfy ticket demand.

I was a UA student, then a season ticket holder, encompassing most of Eddie and all of Nolan.

Based on everything I saw with my own eyes, BWA would have been built, even if Eddie had stayed. When Bud made his offer, NR had been to one FF, and had the ignominy of being the first (maybe only) coach NOT to make a FF when he had three senior #1 draft picks on the same squad.

Winning sells tickets, not style. When I graduated (late 70s) , I thought that it would be YEARS before I would move up the list of THOUSANDS waiting to get season tickets at Barnhill. I was mistaken. NR was hired and I quickly got "student turnback" tickets because the fans were so spoiled by UAs recent consistent success under Eddie. I got the turnbacks for a couple of years, until I got as letter inviting me to convert them to regular "season tickets", with NO donation required. Does that sound like we needed a 20k arena? 

[snortman]

Eddie had to crawl because he was too drunk to walk.

I doubt MJ and Dean Smith and the rest of the Tarheels thought so. Oh well each to his own. Some people can never be happy

[hoglady]

Well - they both seemed to leave with a consuming bitterness toward Broyles.
Hence - the Sutton "crawl to Kentucky" comment and Nolan's lawsuit.
Nolan's suit and the University feeling compelled to hire a new coach based on race literally killed what they both spent years building.

I hold no ill will toward either one and appreciate everything they did for the University. Doesn't really matter to me who the court is named after.
They were both great basketball coaches.

[nextlevel]

I doubt MJ and Dean Smith and the rest of the Tarheels thought so. Oh well each to his own. Some people can never be happy

I'm sure Kentucky fans have debates on what to name after Eddie on campus after he delivered their first losing record of the past century and left their program in trouble with the NCAA after paying players and having his son take entrance exams for the players.

Only in Arkansas would people worship such a loser.

[GuvHog]

As long as the Sutton Whitewash campaign continues,  I'll be around to remind people of how he left.

.......While completely ignoring the fact that Eddie profusely apologized to the Hog fans in tears for making that comment saying it was meant for only one man but that he still shouldn't have said it.

That's very unlike you Erie.

[GuvHog]

Not taking sides, loved both.  However, if there is cause to sue your employer, then it is not only warranted, but prudent.  On the other hand, saying you'd "crawl" to an opponent......don't think so homie.

Seriously??? Nolan bit the hand that fed he and his family for 17 years. When he filed that lawsuit, he officially ended his college coaching career because he was blackballed for it. no major D1 University would ever consider hiring a coach who sued his employer of 17 years. Had he not filed that lawsuit, he could have been back coaching NCAA basketball in a very short time.

[Cresthog]

.......While completely ignoring the fact that Eddie profusely apologized to the Hog fans in tears for making that comment saying it was meant for only one man but that he still shouldn't have said it.

That's very unlike you Erie.

God here we go.

Who sits at game nowadays and regularly supports the program?

It's not Eddie.

[Cresthog]

Sutton went 16-0 in the conf. Let me repeat that 16-0. Nolan with all his talent never ever did that. Eddie was one traveling call away from going to Back to back F4's. Eddie was not just good he was GREAT. 

Thank god for Corliss because without him we don't win the NC.

Without the triplets does Eddie go 16-0? The SWC was a joke anyway.

The SEC in Nolan's day was 50x better than what it is now.

[ErieHog]

.......While completely ignoring the fact that Eddie profusely apologized to the Hog fans in tears for making that comment saying it was meant for only one man but that he still shouldn't have said it.

That's very unlike you Erie.

No, I call scum, scum.   I have no use at all for Eddie or his apologists.   He committed an unforgivable act, then sought forgiveness after the fact.

Screw Eddie.  I booed him heartily at the LSU game.

[GuvHog]

God here we go.

Who sits at game nowadays and regularly supports the program?

It's not Eddie.

Is he really "All In" when it comes to supporting the Hog basketball program or is his support conditional?? If he wants to show that he truely is "All In", he needs to hold a press conference, Shake Chancellor Gearhardt's hand, and profusely apologize to the U of A for filing that law suit against them. Up to this point he has refused to do so.

[GuvHog]

No, I call scum, scum.   I have no use at all for Eddie or his apologists.   He committed an unforgivable act, then sought forgiveness after the fact.

Screw Eddie.  I booed him heartily at the LSU game.

You should have been escorted out of the arena and banned from Hog Basketball games.

That you could forgive Nolan for all the wrong he did at Arkansas while still condemning Eddie shows a serious bias on your part.

[ErieHog]

You should have been escorted out of the arena and banned from Hog Basketball games.

That you could forgive Nolan for all the wrong he did at Arkansas while still condemning Eddie shows a serious bias on your part.

I got my entire section to boo him.  IT was fantastic, and extremely well deserved.

People who spout darn in defense of Eddie are the ones that deserve the ban.   

[nextlevel]

Seriously??? Nolan bit the hand that fed he and his family for 17 years. When he filed that lawsuit, he officially ended his college coaching career because he was blackballed for it. no major D1 University would ever consider hiring a coach who sued his employer of 17 years. Had he not filed that lawsuit, he could have been back coaching NCAA basketball in a very short time.

How long was Sutton employed by Arkansas before he bit off the hand that fed him and his family?

Nolan didn't coach again in Men's college basketball because he didn't want to coach again, he had plenty of opportunities over the year to get back into it.

The pirate, a long term TTU employee, sued TTU after his firing, he was still involved with the lawsuit when Washington State hired him.

Eddie Sutton tried to burn Kentucky's program to the ground, OSU hired him. He ran his car into a ditch while drunk and high on prescription pain pills, and SF hired him to sit on their bench until he surpassed a meaningless win total he thought would put him in the HOF by now. Eddie only cares about Eddie, if his dependency issues were not a clue enough, his professional demeanor and actions should have been.

Is he really "All In" when it comes to supporting the Hog basketball program or is his support conditional?? If he wants to show that he truely is "All In", he needs to hold a press conference, Shake Chancellor Gearhardt's hand, and profusely apologize to the U of A for filing that law suit against them. Up to this point he has refused to do so.

Nolan owes no one an apology. He was fired. He felt is was not a justifiable decision based on non-discriminatory actions. He filed a law suit. The court did not agree with the basis of his suit. Period. End of discussion. 

[snortman]

Without the triplets does Eddie go 16-0? The SWC was a joke anyway.

The SEC in Nolan's day was 50x better than what it is now.

I wouldn't call Phi slamma Jamma a joke, and Texas and A&M, don't forget Baylor. You do know Nolan was in the SWC for several years and never went 16-0, but don't let the facts get in the way.  50x better yeah RIGHT. Tell me another after you put down the pipe.

[snortman]

You should have been escorted out of the arena and banned from Hog Basketball games.

That you could forgive Nolan for all the wrong he did at Arkansas while still condemning Eddie shows a serious bias on your part.

Eddie must have not signed an autograph or something. Without Eddie there is no Nolan period

[ErieHog]

I wouldn't call Phi slamma Jamma a joke, and Texas and A&M, don't forget Baylor. You do know Nolan was in the SWC for several years and never went 16-0, but don't let the facts get in the way.  50x better yeah RIGHT. Tell me another after you put down the pipe.

We've gone through and done the comparison, in depth, back to the 30s, in multiple other threads;  there is no equivalence between the leagues.      The SWC had very little to offer, historically-- and arguably its second strongest period was during the years Nolan guided the team.

[GuvHog]

(1) How long was Sutton employed by Arkansas before he bit off the hand that fed him and his family?

(2) Nolan didn't coach again in Men's college basketball because he didn't want to coach again, he had plenty of opportunities over the year to get back into it.

(3) The pirate, a long term TTU employee, sued TTU after his firing, he was still involved with the lawsuit when Washington State hired him.

(4) Eddie Sutton tried to burn Kentucky's program to the ground, OSU hired him. He ran his car into a ditch while drunk and high on prescription pain pills, and SF hired him to sit on their bench until he surpassed a meaningless win total he thought would put him in the HOF by now. Eddie only cares about Eddie, if his dependency issues were not a clue enough, his professional demeanor and actions should have been.

(4) Nolan owes no one an apology. He was fired. He felt is was not a justifiable decision based on non-discriminatory actions. He filed a law suit. The court did not agree with the basis of his suit. Period. End of discussion. 

(1) Sutton never bit the hand that fed him by filing a lawsuit, he left because of Frank Broyles, that was widely known.

(2) FALSE. Nolan was blackballed for years. A State tried to hire him and even they weren't willing to pay him what he wanted because it was too big of a risk.

(3) Irrelevent

(4) Nolan does indeed owe the U of A an apology. When he apologizes, His name will have a stronger chance of being painted on the court.

[Cresthog]

Is he really "All In" when it comes to supporting the Hog basketball program or is his support conditional?? If he wants to show that he truely is "All In", he needs to hold a press conference, Shake Chancellor Gearhardt's hand, and profusely apologize to the U of A for filing that law suit against them. Up to this point he has refused to do so.

Says who? You?

Pretty sure you aren't even U of A Alumn so no one honestly cares what you think.

Your butt hurt for a University you didn't even attend is obnoxious. Get over it.

Your holier than though crap is relentless, especially considering Eddie Suttons PUBLIC whore, alcohol, prescription drug and COCAINE mongering.

Seriosly dude. He recruited a guy solely based on his ability to get cocaine.

[Cresthog]

Eddie must have not signed an autograph or something. Without Eddie there is no Nolan period

Yea, Nolan obviously had trouble winning before Arkansas.

Not.

[Cresthog]

I wouldn't call Phi slamma Jamma a joke, and Texas and A&M, don't forget Baylor. You do know Nolan was in the SWC for several years and never went 16-0, but don't let the facts get in the way.  50x better yeah RIGHT. Tell me another after you put down the pipe.

He went 15-1 and 14-2 in a stacked SEC.

Are you really going to be that obnoxious and say there's a huge difference?

[farmhawg]

You should have been escorted out of the arena and banned from Hog Basketball games.

That you could forgive Nolan for all the wrong he did at Arkansas while still condemning Eddie shows a serious bias on your part.

You are on your eddie love again....drunk, underage girl chaser and druggie. Must be sad to be you......

[GuvHog]

Says who? You?

Pretty sure you aren't even U of A Alumn so no one honestly cares what you think.

Your butt hurt for a University you didn't even attend is obnoxious. Get over it.

Your holier than though crap is relentless, especially considering Eddie Suttons PUBLIC whore, alcohol, prescription drug and COCAINE mongering.

Seriosly dude. He recruited a guy solely based on his ability to get cocaine.

So Razorback fans shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion, just Alumni??? My, how snobbish of you. I've been a died in the wool home grown Hog fan since birth (1955). I admire those who were and are students at the U of A but snide comments like the one you made make it difficult sometimes.

[GuvHog]

You are on your eddie love again....drunk, underage girl chaser and druggie. Must be sad to be you......

Eddie had his weaknesses (Alcohol, Drugs), no doubt about that but he was still a great coach.

Nolan had his weaknesses (Racism), no doubt about it but he was still a National Championship coach

[bigredone]

Nolan was the racist??? Okay, I have now heard literally everything.

You really need to talk to some the of white guys that would attend practices when Nolan made a point to step into the stands and talk to them. These were not the big money supporters of the program that he was kissing up to, they were bus drivers for area public schools. Nolan had issues with Broyles and White and their obvious problems with a successful black coach.

I thought Eddie was great while he was here, but Nolan opened up a whole new world of basketball. The both had issues with Broyles but so did Hatfield, Holtz and other good to great coaches.

Eddie proved he wasn't great by going to the school (KY) that is the easiest to recruit to and win at and having a losing season and being run off with NCAA problems.

[farmhawg]

Eddie had his weaknesses (Alcohol, Drugs), no doubt about that but he was still a great coach.

Nolan had his weaknesses (Racism), no doubt about it but he was still a National Championship coach

You are something special.....

[GuvHog]

Nolan was the racist??? Okay, I have now heard literally everything.

You really need to talk to some the of white guys that would attend practices when Nolan made a point to step into the stands and talk to them. These were not the big money supporters of the program that he was kissing up to, they were bus drivers for area public schools. Nolan had issues with Broyles and White and their obvious problems with a successful black coach.

I thought Eddie was great while he was here, but Nolan opened up a whole new world of basketball. The both had issues with Broyles but so did Hatfield, Holtz and other good to great coaches.

Eddie proved he wasn't great by going to the school (KY) that is the easiest to recruit to and win at and having a losing season and being run off with NCAA problems.

Look, I like Nolan and believe he was a great Head coach. The way he was treated as a boy and a young man was more than reprehensible but he couldn't let it go and brought his anger over the way he was treated with him throughout his career. When I used the term 'Racism" in describing Nolan's weakness, I wasn't calling him a racist because he wasn't one. I was pointing out the fact that every time he went on one of his diatribes, he would pull out the race card. He accused almost everyone that criticized him of being racist. The U of A made Nolan a multi-millionaire, yet he spent the biggest part of his career there raising cane about being racially discriminated against and you see nothing wrong with that?? Come on man! Almost everything Nolan owns was bought and paid for by the U of A yet he filed a lawsuit against them.

John White and Frank Broyles were both BIG TIME wrong in Nolan's situation, no doubt about it. There was wrong doing on all sides. Heck, John White was a DISASTER as Chancellor. Not only did the man give Nolan fits, he ran women's basketball HC Gary Blair off and even tried a power play to oust Frank. I have no doubt that Frank had some racial tendencies. Sadly, that was common for many southerners during his youth and as a young man.

[nextlevel]

So you equate Nolan to being an indentured servant...

[GuvHog]

So you equate Nolan to being an indentured servant...

A paid employee (and a great one) who was paid to do a job he should have concentrated on and left the soap box alone. It takes a lot of gall to repeatedly yell discrimination when one's boss has made one a multi-millionaire.

[nextlevel]

A paid employee (and a great one) who was paid to do a job he should have concentrated on and left the soap box alone. It takes a lot of gall to repeatedly yell discrimination when one's boss has made one a multi-millionaire.

It takes a lot of gall to spit in the face of an entire fanbase on your way out on your hands and knees.

Sutton made it personal during his exit, It was just business with Coach Richardson.