With a salary cap pick your all time Razorback team

[jbcarol]

Inspired by a recent NBA example.

It's difficult to pigeon hole Hog greats by position, so that aspect is left open:

You have a $15 salary cap.  Pick your all-time Razorback starting five for <= $15

$5
Sidney Moncrief     
Todd Day               
Joe Johnson         
Alvin Robertson   
Darrell Walker
Corliss Williamson
Ron Brewer

$4
Joe Kleine
Ronnie Brewer
Lee Mayberry
Oliver Miller
Andrew Lang
Marvin Delph
Bobby Portis

$3
Corey Beck
Scotty Thurman
Jannero Pargo
Sonny Weems
Derek Hood
Clint McDaniel
US Reed

$2
Dean Tolson
Tony Brown
BJ Young   
Butch Morris
Scott Hastings
Pat Bradley
Martin Terry

$1
Charles Ballantine
Marshawn Powell
Ricky Sugg
Pookie Modica
Patrick Beverly
Courtney Fortson
Tommy Boyer

[jbcarol]

Here is the example:


Ballislife.com ‏@Ballislife
Pick your $15 All-time Starting Five pic.twitter.com/NPsa7VmDkA

[hogsrule44]

PG:Courtney Fortson-  $1
SG:Pat Bradley-  $2
SF:Sonny Weems-  $3
PF:Corliss Williamson-  $5
C:Oliver Miller-  $4

Total- $15

[The_Iceman]

C: Hastings $2 (82: 18.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg)
F: Corliss $5 (94: 20.4 ppg, 7.7 rpg)
G: Terry $2 (73: 28.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg)
G: Bradley $2 (97: 14.4 ppg, 43% 3-pt)
G: Mayberry $4 (92: 15.2 ppg, 6.0 apg)

I win....

[HogInThaGrove]

Corliss - $5  Power Forward
Big O - $4    Center
Scottie - $3   Small Forward
Pat Bradley - $2  Shooting Guard
P Bev - $1   Point Guard

I think we continue to undervalue Beverly, he was only here 2 years.  Would have been an absolute stud by his Sr. year. 

Where's the Al Dillard option? 

[The_Iceman]

Corliss - $5  Power Forward
Big O - $4    Center
Scottie - $3   Small Forward
Pat Bradley - $2  Shooting Guard
P Bev - $1   Point Guard

I think we continue to undervalue Beverly, he was only here 2 years.  Would have been an absolute stud by his Sr. year. 

Where's the Al Dillard option? 

Beverley was a 2-guard in college. Still, in the NBA he is really isn't a true PG on offense. If I'm putting together a roster, I'm gonna want one of Beck/Mayberry/Robertson to lead them.

[oldman1015]

moncrief 5
corliss    5
balentine1
beverly   1
beck      3

[RazorPiggie]

Corliss
P Bev
Fortson
Joe Johnson
Thurman

[The_Iceman]

moncrief 5
corliss    5
balentine1
beverly   1
beck      1

Beck is $3, not $1. No discounts running today.

[WizardofhOgZ]

Moncrief - $5
O Miller - $4
Scotty Thurman - $3
Martin Terry - $2
Pat Beverley - $1

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Mayberry at $4 is a steal. 

No pun intended.

[Wooderson]

Corliss - $5  Power Forward
Big O - $4    Center
Scottie - $3   Small Forward
Pat Bradley - $2  Shooting Guard
P Bev - $1   Point Guard

I think we continue to undervalue Beverly, he was only here 2 years.  Would have been an absolute stud by his Sr. year. 

Where's the Al Dillard option? 

My team also, and without a doubt it would be deadly.  The shooting of Bradley and Thurman.  The inside domination of Miller and Corliss.  Then throw in P Bev's toughness.  Wow.

D might be a little weak, but it wouldn't matter because this team would outscore everyone.

[VBMark]

Scott Hastings @ $2 - steal
Sidney Moncrief @ $5
Lee Mayberry @ $4
Scotty Thurman @ $3 - steal
Charles Balentine @ $1 - steal

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Close call between Thurman and Martin Terry. Terry's average would've easily been in mid-30s with a three point shot.

[The_Iceman]

Martin Terry for $2 is the biggest steal on there. 28 pts per game his final year.

[WizardofhOgZ]

Martin Terry for $2 is the biggest steal on there. 28 pts per game his final year.

Moncrief - $5
O Miller - $4
Scotty Thurman - $3
Martin Terry - $2
Pat Beverley - $1

Too few people really know much about Martin because he preceded the huge increase in attention paid to our program when Eddie Sutton took over.  Dean Tolson was another talent that most here know little about.  Those two would have been contributors on any of our teams.

[The_Iceman]

Arkansas Fight's version:

http://www.arkansasfight.com/2014/5/30/5764728/youve-got-15-pick-your-razorback-basketball-starting-5-arkansas#comment_tease

[HogInThaGrove]

My team also, and without a doubt it would be deadly.  The shooting of Bradley and Thurman.  The inside domination of Miller and Corliss.  Then throw in P Bev's toughness.  Wow.

D might be a little weak, but it wouldn't matter because this team would outscore everyone.

Exactly.  I don't think they'd be overly adept at the press, but the inside defense would be top notch and with beverly harassing the opposing pg and scottie and pat just playing solid defense it would be fine. 

This team might shoot over 55% combined from the floor.  All great fg% shooters and all great free throw shooters.  With Scottie and Pat being at or over 40% from 3 and beverly filling up the stat sheet.  I see a LOT of wins.

And again, I have Dillard on my bench, just for fun.

[PoormansRobbyHampton]

Arkansas Fight's version:

http://www.arkansasfight.com/2014/5/30/5764728/youve-got-15-pick-your-razorback-basketball-starting-5-arkansas#comment_tease

This is the first one I saw and I rolled with Kareem Reid and Pat Bradley at $1 apiece (monster values), Joe Johnson at $3, Corliss at $5 and Big O at $4.

Even had a buck leftover.

I like this because Kareem is the school's all-time assist leader so he can find the open guy. Pat can stretch the floor. Joe can handle the ball, shoot the ball and defend at the 3 and I'm dominating the glass with Corliss and Oliver.

I can play any style of ball that I need to with this team.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Moncrief
Mayberry
Tolson
Bradley
Hastings


PS. anyone who creates any all-time team of hogs, but leaves Moncrief off, is just silly.

[hawkhawg]

Moncrief
Mayberry
Tolson
Bradley
Hastings


PS. anyone who creates any all-time team of hogs, but leaves Moncrief off, is just silly.

I would say anyone that leaves Corliss off an all-time team of hogs is just silly.

[thirrdegreetusker]

I would say anyone that leaves Corliss off an all-time team of hogs is just silly.

ran out of cap room after Sid and Lee

[thirrdegreetusker]

Moncrief
Mayberry
Tolson
Bradley
Hastings


PS. anyone who creates any all-time team of hogs, but leaves Moncrief off, is just silly.

Did some research on Hastings:
He holds the NBA record for most games in a row without a steal at 65 straight games.


lol

[hawkhawg]

$5. Corliss Williamson.
$2. Scott Hastings.
$3. Scotty Thurman.
$1. Patrick Beverley.
$4. Lee Mayberry.

[yraciv]

PG - Corey Beck - $3
SG - Patrick Beverly - $1
SF - Sonny Weems - $4
PF - Corliss Williamson - $5
C - Scott Hastings - $2

For what it's worth my NBA is:
PG - Walt Frazier - $1
SG - Michael Jordan - $5
SF - Lebron James - $5
PF - Tim Duncan - $3
C - Hakeem - $1

[TomBigBeeHog]

PG - Corey Beck - $3
SG - Patrick Beverly - $1
SF - Sonny Weems - $4
PF - Corliss Williamson - $5
C - Scott Hastings - $2

For what it's worth my NBA is:
PG - Walt Frazier - $1
SG - Michael Jordan - $5
SF - Lebron James - $5
PF - Tim Duncan - $3
C - Hakeem - $1

That Hakeem guy must Thabeet. No way "The Dream" goes for a dollar.

[Letsroll1200]

Lee Mayberry 4
Patrick Beverly 1
Sidney Moncrief 5
Oliver Miller 4
Marshawn Powell 1

Inside and Outside play. Two guys that can defend with the best of them Moncrief and Beverly. Powell, Miller, and Mayberry can put points on the board.

[benerkek]

Just to switch things up abit, how about...

PG Mayberry  (4)
SG Bradley    (2)
SF Ronny Brewer  (4)
PF Hood   (3)
C  Hastings (2)

[beatdrum]

In the original NBA example, how in the world is Tim Duncan a $3 player? He arguably is more dominant at his position than any player in history. He's clearly the greatest power forward to ever play, and it's not really even questioned.

[hawkhawg]

In the original NBA example, how in the world is Tim Duncan a $3 player? He arguably is more dominant at his position than any player in history. He's clearly the greatest power forward to ever play, and it's not really even questioned.

I was thinking the same thing. Also I would take the bottom three centers over the top two. I know you old timers are going to say what a great defensive player Russell was and he won all those championships but shaq would have dominated Russell on both ends.

[East TN HAWG]

Sidney, Joe Johnson, Scott Hastings, Martin Terry, Pat Beverly

[dhornjr1]

This is the first one I saw and I rolled with Kareem Reid and Pat Bradley at $1 apiece (monster values), Joe Johnson at $3, Corliss at $5 and Big O at $4.

Even had a buck leftover.

I like this because Kareem is the school's all-time assist leader so he can find the open guy. Pat can stretch the floor. Joe can handle the ball, shoot the ball and defend at the 3 and I'm dominating the glass with Corliss and Oliver.

I can play any style of ball that I need to with this team.

You don't have much perimeter D there but you have the eraser in the paint with Big O.

[thirrdegreetusker]

I would say anyone that leaves Corliss off an all-time team of hogs is just silly.

You are correct.

So, I have re-built. After spending $5 each on Sid and Corliss, my other three are Martin Terry, Dean Tolson, and Patrick Beverly. All five can score, and 4 of 5 can D-up with anyone.

[jbcarol]

Scott Cacciola @ScottCacciola  ·  10h
Terrific story by @HerringWSJ on the slow decline of the NBA shooting guard: http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-end-of-the-shooting-guard-1402354437 ...

A different breed of shooting guard is replacing them—a slashing-to-the-basket sort that makes the term shooting guard rather ill-fitting.

Leaguewide, coaches and players say there might be five to 10 traditional shooting guards still around.

The demise of the shooting guard is related to the rise of the "scoring" point guard, the emergence of shooting big men and the near-complete disappearance of traditional back-to-the-basket centers. Essentially, what's happening is the league is becoming "positionless," as Bob Hill, Gregg Popovich's predecessor as Spurs coach, put it.

[popcornhog]

Inspired by a recent NBA example.

It's difficult to pigeon hole Hog greats by position, so that aspect is left open:

You have a $15 salary cap.  Pick your all-time Razorback starting five for <= $15

$5
Sidney Moncrief     
Todd Day               
Joe Johnson         
Alvin Robertson   
Darrell Walker
Corliss Williamson
Ron Brewer

$4
Joe Kleine
Ronnie Brewer
Lee Mayberry
Oliver Miller
Andrew Lang
Marvin Delph
Bobby Portis

$3
Corey Beck
Scotty Thurman
Jannero Pargo
Sonny Weems
Derek Hood
Clint McDaniel
US Reed

$2
Dean Tolson
Tony Brown
BJ Young   
Butch Morris
Scott Hastings
Pat Bradley
Martin Terry

$1
Charles Ballantine
Marshawn Powell
Ricky Sugg
Pookie Modica
Patrick Beverly
Courtney Fortson
Tommy Boyer

According to your classification:
Beverly $1
Mayberry $4
Modica $1
Corliss $5
Joe Klein $4

[dhornjr1]

Corey Beck $3
Clint McDaniel $3
Scotty Thurman $3
Corliss Williamson $5
Dwight Stewart Free

National championship team and I still got a buck in my pocket.

[popcornhog]

Corey Beck $3
Clint McDaniel $3
Scotty Thurman $3
Corliss Williamson $5
Dwight Stewart Free

National championship team and I still got a buck in my pocket.

With the extra dollar why wouldn't you take Mayberry over McDaniel?

[The_Iceman]

For what it's worth my NBA is:
PG - Walt Frazier - $1
SG - Michael Jordan - $5
SF - Lebron James - $5
PF - Tim Duncan - $3
C - Hakeem - $1

Karl Malone $5
Charles Barkley $4
Tim Duncan $3

.....seriously? Duncan is about to get his 5th Ring to go along with 3 Finals MVPs, 2 MVPs, 14 All-Defense Selections, 10 NBA First Team selections, 14x All star. If I was them, I would rearrange that to put Duncan as the $5.

Mine would be: (stats are from best NBA season)
PG: John Stockton $2 (17.1 ppg, 13.6 apg, 3.2 stls)
SG: Michael Jordan $5 (37.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, 2.9 stls)
SF: Larry Bird $4 (28.1 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 7.6 apg, 1.8 stls, 91% ft)
PF: Tim Duncan $3 (25.5 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.5 blks)
C: Hakeem Olajuwon $1 (24.3 ppg, 14.0 rpg, 4.6 blks)

What would make my team great is chemistry. Excellent passers all around, all great defenders, and the best team winner/leader ever in Michael Jordan. Good luck beating that lineup.

[popcornhog]

Karl Malone $5
Charles Barkley $4
Tim Duncan $3

.....seriously? Duncan is about to get his 5th Ring to go along with 3 Finals MVPs, 2 MVPs, 14 All-Defense Selections, 10 NBA First Team selections, 14x All star. If I was them, I would rearrange that to put Duncan as the $5.

Mine would be: (stats are from best NBA season)
PG: John Stockton $2 (17.1 ppg, 13.6 apg, 3.2 stls)
SG: Michael Jordan $5 (37.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, 2.9 stls)
SF: Larry Bird $4 (28.1 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 7.6 apg, 1.8 stls, 91% ft)
PF: Tim Duncan $3 (25.5 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.5 blks)
C: Hakeem Olajuwon $1 (24.3 ppg, 14.0 rpg, 4.6 blks)

What would make my team great is chemistry. Excellent passers all around, all great defenders, and the best team winner/leader ever in Michael Jordan. Good luck beating that lineup.

Without a salary cap, I think I could build a better/as good starting 5.

Magic
Kobe
LeBron
Bill Russell
Kareem


Under the same salary cap scheme, no way.

[razorbackfanatic]

I'm going unconventional! Nolan Richardson as head coach. We are gonna press you to death! While u all spent $15 on your starting five, my speed is gonna wear you out and by the 2nd half it's gonna be a layup/dunk fest for us!! Haha 8 man rotation!

G Courtney Fortson $1
G BJ Young $2
G Martin Terry $2
F Marshawn Powell $1
F Derek Hood $3

6 Patrick Beverly $1
7 Clint McDaniel $3
8 Scott Hastings $2

[razorbackfanatic]

Seriously though I'd go with:

G Mayberry $4
G Beverly $1
G Terry $2
F Williamson $5
C Hastings $2

And still have $1 left.

[yraciv]

Without a salary cap, I think I could build a better/as good starting 5.

Magic
Kobe
LeBron
Bill Russell
Kareem


Under the same salary cap scheme, no way.

Maybe if you replace Kobe with Jordan. Without Jordan, I'd still take his team.  And I still prefer the athleticism my team has over his Stockton/Bird combo.  I'd probably take Chris Paul over Frazier as my dollar pick though.

[razorbackfanatic]

With no cap:

G Mayberry 6'3"
G Thurman 6'6"
G Day 6'7"
F Williamson 6'7"
C Miller 6'9"

Almost put Moncrief in over Thurman but I kept it this way bc I like combing 2 or more players from the same teams and the 1990 final four team of May-Day and Miller and then the 94 and 95 NC game teams of Corliss and Thurman are also my favorite teams.

[bruisemeister]

 


Mayberry
Moncrief
Tolson
Hood
Modica

Ok. You only need one superstar to win a national title. Moncrief is the man. He is the greatest Razorback ever period. Corliss was the best inside scoring force the Hogs have ever had but that was about all he did. He was an average rebounder and had no outside game. Sidney may have been the best defensive guard in basketball history outside of Walt Frazier. He also is the school's all time leading rebounder. He may not have had much of a perimeter game but he really didn't need to. He could hit the long shot if he had to(ala Magic Johnson).
What you lack in a outside game from the top of the key in Moncrief, you gain in Mayberry. He was one of the best 3 point shooters in school history. He also was an exceptional point guard when he played. His assist to turnover ratio was phenomenal. In addition, the defense that he and Moncrief could provide on a press would have been unbelievable. The team would lead the nation in steals and forced backcourt violations.
The team would need some bangers inside and Hood and Tolson would fit the bill. Hood is the team's 2nd all time leading rebounder to Moncrief. He twice led the SEC in rebounds. He was a double figure scorer in his senior year but defense and rebounding are why he would be the third highest paid player. He would be to this team like Dennis Rodman was to the Bulls in their final 3 championships. He was quick enough to guard a small foward and strong enough to defend a post player.
I never saw Tolson play but his stats of 20 plus points and 12 plus rebounds a game jumps out. He could grab whatever rebound Hood didn't and could add a bit of an inside scoring threat to free up the guards and the small foward for jump shots. He is a steal at his salary.
Finally, I got Pookie at a cheap price. He was a good Razorback. Granted he never made All American or played in the NBA but he was the ultimate team player. It is sad that a player who loved being a Razorback so much played during a down period in the team's history. He could score both inside and out. He had a strong body and often went inside with the big boys. However, he had a sweet 3 point shot as well. He would be the 2nd perimeter option to Mayberry. Some may prefer a Delph, Thurman or Day in this spot but what he lacks in their talent, he more than makes up for with his heart, desire and above all knowing what it means to be a Razorback.

[bruisemeister]

I'm going unconventional! Nolan Richardson as head coach. We are gonna press you to death! While u all spent $15 on your starting five, my speed is gonna wear you out and by the 2nd half it's gonna be a layup/dunk fest for us!! Haha 8 man rotation!

G Courtney Fortson $1
G BJ Young $2
G Martin Terry $2
F Marshawn Powell $1
F Derek Hood $3

6 Patrick Beverly $1
7 Clint McDaniel $3
8 Scott Hastings $2

Love it. I considered Fortson at the point. I remember that glorious run beating Oklahoma and Texas. We were all saying, "we have never seen a point guard like this at Arkansas". I still don't know what the heck happened once conference play started.

[bruisemeister]

Beck is $3, not $1. No discounts running today.
Replace him with Fortson. You already have 3 NBA players on the team. All you need him for his to get the ball up the court. You could probably get Keith Hilliard for fifty cents and still be a champion with that lineup. No offense to Keith. He was the best dribbler in Razorback history. I have not seen anyone before or since who could dribble through a press like he could.