The 5 year plan

[urkillnmesmalls]

Spurrier is an innovator..while at FL at least. Now he does whatever will win games based on his personnel- like most great coaches. CBBs record in the big 10 has been broken down many times. Not a lot of success against the traditional powers...pummels the weak schools.

Dude...you just CLEARLY described exactly what happened under BP.  How can you NOT see that?  We beat the people we were supposed to beat, sometimes narrowly, and lost to the ones we were supposed to lose to.  The POWER programs.  He did beat LSU twice, and we beat UGA once.  Outside of that...ALL losses to the power programs in the conference.  Fla?  Nope.  Bama.  Nope. 

But...you want to hold it against BB that the OTHER schools were on probation?  Makes perfect sense.  Heck...let's be one of those schools so that when we finally get the right mix of players, we'll be on probation for screwing up. 

Geez...it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes with you.  You'd walk a mile out of the way just to avoid anything optimistic. 

[Peter Porker]

Like I said, he has no problem with how Booby built his record at Louisville.

You didn't mind it when Booby made his record on beating Kentucky, Syracuse,  UTEP, Temple, Army, Tulane, ECU, Houston, Cincinnati,  Kentucky,  Army, UNC, ECU, USF, Memphis, TCU, Houston,  Cincinnati,  Tulane, Boise State (ranked), Kentucky,  Oregon State,  FAU, UNC, Cincinnati,  Pitt, Rutgers,  UCONN, Kentucky,  Temple,  Miami (fl) (ranked), Kansas State,  MTSU, Cincinnati,  Syracuse,  WVU (ranked), USF, Pitt, UCONN,  Wake Forest (ranked) 4 ranked teams in 4 years.

His losses USF (unranked), TCU, Memphis (unranked), Miami (oh), USF (unranked), WVU (unranked), VaTech, Rutgers

[Jek Tono Porkins]

Dude...you just CLEARLY described exactly what happened under BP.  How can you NOT see that?  We beat the people we were supposed to beat, sometimes narrowly, and lost to the ones we were supposed to lose to.  The POWER programs.  He did beat LSU twice, and we beat UGA once.  Outside of that...ALL losses to the power programs in the conference.  Fla?  Nope.  Bama.  Nope. 

But...you want to hold it against BB that the OTHER schools were on probation?  Makes perfect sense.  Heck...let's be one of those schools so that when we finally get the right mix of players, we'll be on probation for screwing up. 

Geez...it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes with you.  You'd walk a mile out of the way just to avoid anything optimistic.

I've pointed this out many times to people and they just still don't get it.

The notion that Bielema didn't have success against traditional powers may be accurate early on in his Wisconsin career, but you don't get to Rose Bowls by losing big games. In 2010, they went 11-1 in the regular season, losing to Michigan St. They then proceeded to curb stomp #1 Ohio St, took care of business on the road against #1 Iowa the next week, and obliterated their last four opponents including Michigan on the road.

In 2011, they lost two games to Hail Mary's against Michigan St and Ohio State but as the season played out, they could still go to the B1G title game if they beat Penn St in their last regular season matchup. And they did. And they went to the B1G title game. And they beat Michigan St in a rematch.

And in neither of those two years were any of the teams in the B1G on probation. Those titles were won fair and square.

And finally, in 2012, even though they limped unranked into the title game because Penn St and Ohio St were on probation, they still pummeled #14 Nebraska 70-31 to get to the Rose Bowl again.

So how is that "not having success against the traditional powers?" If he beat all the "traditional" powers with regularity, he would have won the conference every year. Is that what people are mad at? That he only won three conference titles in seven years? That he didn't win the conference in his first few years as a head coach when he was 36 years old? If Bielema stepped in to the Big Ten as a 36-year old head coach and started whipping up on Jim Tressel and Lloyd Carr, he wouldn't have been at Wisconsin very long.

[Chief Mac]

Dude...you just CLEARLY described exactly what happened under BP.  How can you NOT see that?  We beat the people we were supposed to beat, sometimes narrowly, and lost to the ones we were supposed to lose to.  The POWER programs.  He did beat LSU twice, and we beat UGA once.  Outside of that...ALL losses to the power programs in the conference.  Fla?  Nope.  Bama.  Nope. 

But...you want to hold it against BB that the OTHER schools were on probation?  Makes perfect sense.  Heck...let's be one of those schools so that when we finally get the right mix of players, we'll be on probation for screwing up. 

Geez...it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes with you.  You'd walk a mile out of the way just to avoid anything optimistic. 

none of the ones that pine for Petrino yet bash Bielema see the hypocrisy in their thought process

[ChitownHawg]

You think he'll walk away from buyout money? Seriously?

No I was just yanking your chain. 

I would not be surprised if he walked away from the money. When you come from his meager background and have the money he has now the emphasis on grabbing every dollar you can is not as important. Some people simply don't put a lot of emphasis on money.

[Wowgohogs]

I think BB going winless in the SEC already cost him some of the fans - barring a turnaround that is just not that likely to happen.  These folks had it in their head - right or wrong - that the JLS debacle had been endured to give JL time to find a great (not just good) hire and JL brings big $ to the table and we get this guy and it was all PRECISELY to avoid what happened last year. 

[Wowgohogs]

BB sure seemed to like the money when the deal was being worked out, Chi.  I just don't find your reasoning to be very convincing.

[Pickwick Hog]

My 5 year plan is to watch and laugh at the anti-Bielema faction for another 4 years. Cause he ain't going anywhere between now and then despite all the wasted breath and bandwidth.

[Großer Kriegschwein]

I think BB going winless in the SEC already cost him some of the fans - barring a turnaround that is just not that likely to happen.  These folks had it in their head - right or wrong - that the JLS debacle had been endured to give JL time to find a great (not just good) hire and JL brings big $ to the table and we get this guy and it was all PRECISELY to avoid what happened last year.

The decision to hire BB was not to avoid anything. It was to build something.

[ChitownHawg]

I think BB going winless in the SEC already cost him some of the fans - barring a turnaround that is just not that likely to happen.  These folks had it in their head - right or wrong - that the JLS debacle had been endured to give JL time to find a great (not just good) hire and JL brings big $ to the table and we get this guy and it was all PRECISELY to avoid what happened last year.

Then people were fooling themselves. I didn't expect to go winless in conference, but I also didn't expect to win 4+ conference games either. When you look at the games we were very close in several conference games. New coaches working a new system with new players and that is a recipe for not winning the close ones.

Even CBB acknowledges their sideline communications amongst the coaches as not as good as it should be. He took measures in the off season to tackle that problem.

But if people thought a coach was going to walk in here in year one and come out with 7 or 8 wins then they only have themselves to blame for the disappointment.

[Wowgohogs]

I didn't say it was right - just that it is what it is.   

[Wowgohogs]

LSU was not that close - talk.about fooling yourself.

Their back-up QB throws and runs like a Heismann commercial to score and then we get the ball and our QB gets sacked for a fumble. 

[ChitownHawg]

I didn't say it was right - just that it is what it is.

Sorry my apologies as I thought that was what you were thinking. Sorry about that.

[WilsonHog]

My 5 year plan is to watch and laugh at the anti-Bielema faction for another 4 years. Cause he ain't going anywhere between now and then despite all the wasted breath and bandwidth.

Co-sign.

[Wowgohogs]

And don't tell me here that anyone was surprised -

[Wowgohogs]

Interesting that your 5 year plan only mentions watching anti-BB fans and laughing.  Does not appear to include watching Hogs win games.

[ChitownHawg]

Interesting that your 5 year plan only mentions watching anti-BB fans and laughing.  Does not appear to include watching Hogs win games.

Nah... He is simple folk and easy to please as just watching them is enough. No need for wins. 

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

My 5 year plan is to watch and laugh at the anti-Bielema faction for another 4 years. Cause he ain't going anywhere between now and then despite all the wasted breath and bandwidth.

If he shows progress each year, you won't have anyone to laugh at.

If we are barely bowl eligible year 4 and 5, I doubt you'll be laughing either.

[Pickwick Hog]

In almost 50 years losing has never prevented me from watching or supporting the Hogs. Why should it now?

[TOM "tbw1"]

If he shows progress each year, you won't have anyone to laugh at.

If we are barely bowl eligible year 4 and 5, I doubt you'll be laughing either.

Shannon, we both know that there are some who will complain if we go 9-3 or 10-2.  Then there are those who will belittle the record and find reasons to minimize the accomplishment.

[WilsonHog]

Interesting that your 5 year plan only mentions watching anti-BB fans and laughing.  Does not appear to include watching Hogs win games.

Of course it includes watching us win games - and every time we do, it will also include me sticking both of my middle fingers in the face of people like you.

I figure it pretty simply - a fan is either (a) with the coaches and players, or (b) against the coaches and players.

I choose to be (a).

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Shannon, we both know that there are some who will complain if we go 9-3 or 10-2.  Then there are those who will belittle the record and find reasons to minimize the accomplishment.

I agree.  But that will be a much smaller fringe group than exists right now.  IMO, just some good SEC wins will go a long way.

[Chief Mac]

Of course it includes watching us win games - and every time we do, it will also include me sticking both of my middle fingers in the face of people like you.

I figure it pretty simply - a fan is either (a) with the coaches and players, or (b) against the coaches and players.

I choose to be (a).

I dig this post! 

[Jek Tono Porkins]

I think BB going winless in the SEC already cost him some of the fans - barring a turnaround that is just not that likely to happen.  These folks had it in their head - right or wrong - that the JLS debacle had been endured to give JL time to find a great (not just good) hire and JL brings big $ to the table and we get this guy and it was all PRECISELY to avoid what happened last year.

When Petrino decided to hire a blonde into the athletic department and wreck his bike with her on the back in April, the board was already set. Long couldn't hire a long-term head coach in April and interim coaches never work out, but that's the hand he was dealt. At that point you just have to wait it out and get the best coach you can to build the program back up.

[Jamie Jones]

Most of the Bret haters were spoilded by the back to back 10 win seasons that Bob put up prior to his implosion. They wanted to keep him because he was the only coach, in their minds, that could get it done at Arkansas. But this is what reality has to say, he lived up to his reputation as an offensive football guru that eventually would be gone from the Hill, in some fashion. Whether that was a personal downfall or a better coaching gig, he was eventually going to leave. Bret is our coach now. He came with no preceding notorious reputation. He was a proven winner. He was and is widely considered a top level coach. And despite what some on here think of him and no matter how bad they want to live in the past, Bret is going to be here for a long time. If that bothers you, don't try to cover it with rhetoric that you hope that he proves you wrong. Just hold on to your convictions or better yet try to enjoy life that some football coach and a bunch of 18-22 year olds, playing a game, really should have no control over.

[Wowgohogs]

LOL Notshavin - you got that right.  Still losing in year 4 or 5 and none of us will be laughing - at least not unless we're crazy at that point.

[Wants2Win]

Like I said, he has no problem with how Booby built his record at Louisville.

Ahh yes the powerhouse football school Louisville. CBP won here. CBB is getting his chance. He is literally off to the worst possible start. Wait until BA is benched 3-4 games in. Won't be pretty.

[Wants2Win]

When Petrino decided to hire a blonde into the athletic department and wreck his bike with her on the back in April, the board was already set. Long couldn't hire a long-term head coach in April and interim coaches never work out, but that's the hand he was dealt. At that point you just have to wait it out and get the best coach you can to build the program back up.

Lets nuke the program because coach hired his mistress into some pedestrian position in the athletic department. What could possibly go wrong?

[Wants2Win]

Of course it includes watching us win games - and every time we do, it will also include me sticking both of my middle fingers in the face of people like you.

I figure it pretty simply - a fan is either (a) with the coaches and players, or (b) against the coaches and players.

I choose to be (a).

Does running down the talent level on the team count as group a or b?

[PonderinHog]

No I was just yanking your chain. 

I would not be surprised if he walked away from the money. When you come from his meager background and have the money he has now the emphasis on grabbing every dollar you can is not as important. Some people simply don't put a lot of emphasis on money.

The thing about making that kind of money is that people get used to it and don't want to go back to their old ways.  If CBB totally bombs out here (big IF) his coaching days me very well be over or his earning potential will undoubtedly be compromised.  If he's asked to leave, he'll rightfully take the money and move on down the line.  If he decides to leave at any time, the buyout is a non-factor.

[ChitownHawg]

The thing about making that kind of money is that people get used to it and don't want to go back to their old ways.  If CBB totally bombs out here (big IF) his coaching days me very well be over or his earning potential will undoubtedly be compromised.  If he's asked to leave, he'll rightfully take the money and move on down the line.  If he decides to leave at any time, the buyout is a non-factor.

You could very well be right.

[ChitownHawg]

Does running down the talent level on the team count as group a or b?

You have your very own group.   

[PonderinHog]

You could very well be right.

It's one helluva catastrophic insurance policy.

[ChitownHawg]

Lets nuke the program because coach hired his mistress into some pedestrian position in the athletic department. What could possibly go wrong?

You know very well CBP pushed the nuke button as he thought he was invincible.

[Jek Tono Porkins]

Lets nuke the program because coach hired his mistress into some pedestrian position in the athletic department. What could possibly go wrong?

God, just shut the hell up already. There are countless other threads from the past two years where you have made this comment and ignored every post that concisely explained why the decision had to be made. Go troll those threads again. Leave this one alone. Just one.

[Pickwick Hog]

God, just shut the hell up already. There are countless other threads from the past two years where you have made this comment and ignored every post that concisely explained why the decision had to be made. Go troll those threads again. Leave this one alone. Just one.

He HAS to be on borrowed time. Flat out ruining this board single handedly.

[AFWarrior83]

This thread really took off...

What I'd like to know is are you willing to give CBB 5 years? This is what I expect the next 4-5 years record wise based off a 12 game schedule:

3-9
6-6
9-3
7-5
11-1

And top 25 recruiting classes annually starting this year.

[ChitownHawg]

This thread really took off...

What I'd like to know is are you willing to give CBB 5 years? This is what I expect the next 4-5 years record wise based off a 12 game schedule:

3-9
6-6
9-3
7-5
11-1

And top 25 recruiting classes annually starting this year.

I can live with this.

[bphi11ips]

In almost 50 years losing has never prevented me from watching or supporting the Hogs. Why should it now?

Amen.

[Wowgohogs]

What basis in reality could there be in possibly predicting W's and L's in year 4 or 5?   Just predict we will win two NC's in a row and go all in.

I

[PorkerOinker]

What basis in reality could there be in possibly predicting W's and L's in year 4 or 5?   Just predict we will win two NC's in a row and go all in.

I

It's no different than people predicting he will fail in year 3,4, or 5.

[ChitownHawg]

What basis in reality could there be in possibly predicting W's and L's in year 4 or 5?   Just predict we will win two NC's in a row and go all in.

I

I see you are having a hard time with the concept of a message board. 

[Pork Twain]

This thread really took off...

What I'd like to know is are you willing to give CBB 5 years? This is what I expect the next 4-5 years record wise based off a 12 game schedule:

3-9
6-6
9-3
7-5
11-1

And top 25 recruiting classes annually starting this year.

Hell I really enjoyed less than this under HDN.  That yearly promise of opening up the passing attack really strung me along

[Ironhawg]

Shannon, we both know that there are some who will complain if we go 9-3 or 10-2.  Then there are those who will belittle the record and find reasons to minimize the accomplishment.

This is the part that I seriously just do not get.  I will be doing back flips!

[Großer Kriegschwein]

This thread really took off...

What I'd like to know is are you willing to give CBB 5 years? This is what I expect the next 4-5 years record wise based off a 12 game schedule:

3-9
6-6
9-3
7-5
11-1

And top 25 recruiting classes annually starting this year.

Solid +1