Bielema's Draft History and Recruiting rankings

[JackJohnson]

Bielema had 30 players drafted while he was HC at Wisconsin (counting the 5 Wisky guys this year)

According to the scout rankings

1 5*
3 4*
11 3*
9 2* (one being 1st rounder and Def POY Watt who transferred in as a walk on TE, Russell Wilson and 1st rounder Frederick)
6 NO stars (including 3rd overall pick and All Pro Joe Thomas and 4 former Walkons)

Average scout star rankings of his 30 NFL draft picks- 2.27

Average round drafted for his 30 NFL draft picks- 3.6

Average pick for his 30 NFL draft picks- 108

The past 4 drafts he has had 7 OL picked- 3 1st rounders, 2 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th and a 7th.  Those guys were: 4 3*'s, 2 2*'s and NO Star Walk on TE. Basically if you start at OL for CBB the past 3 years, you will be drafted.

2014 3 68 Dezmen Southward Falcons FS Wisconsin 2* unranked S http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=4108099
2014 3 77 Chris Borland 49ers MLB Wisconsin 2* #55 MLB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=3812708
2014 4 130 James White Patriots RB Wisconsin 3* #70 RB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=4108113
2014 5 176 Jared Abbrederis Packers WR Wisconsin no star unranked walk on WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/2/1355306.html#/2/1355306.html
2014 7 224 Beau Allen Eagles DT Wisconsin 4* #26 DT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3566750#/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3566750

2013 1 31 Travis Frederick Cowboys C Wisconsin 2* #104 OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3292050
2013 2 58 Montee Ball Broncos RB Wisconsin 3* #47 RB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3114255
2013 5 168 Ricky Wagner Ravens OT Wisconsin NO star former walk on TE http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2013&nid=3748887

2012 1 27  Kevin Zeitler Bengals OG Wisconsin 3* #22 OG http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3126005
2012 2 55  Peter Konz Falcons C Wisconsin 3* #38 OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3044890
2012 3 75  Russell Wilson Seahawks QB Wisconsin 2* #67 QB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2012&nid=2508716
2012 4 122 Nick Toon Saints  WR Wisconsin 3* #89 WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=2415550
2012 5 157 Bradie Ewing Falcons  FB Wisconsin  no star unranked walk on RB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3400974
2012 6 207 Brad Nortman Panthers  P Wisconsin 2* #4 P http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3202298

2011 1 11  J.J. Watt Texans DE Wisconsin 2* unranked DE http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2011&nid=2592221
2011 1 29  Gabe Carimi Bears OT Wisconsin 3* unranked OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1776866
2011 2 47  Lance Hendricks Rams TE Wisconsin 4* #12 WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1776750
2011 3 75  John Moffitt Seahawks OG Wisconsin 2* unranked OG http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1886727
2011 7 252 Bill Nagy Cowboys OG Wisconsin 3* #55 OG http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=1771944

2010 4 118 Garrett Graham Texans TE Wisconsin 2* #53 TE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1201226
2010 4 130 O'Brien Schofield Cardinals LB Wisconsin 3* #55 LB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1201775

2009 3 71  Matt Shaughnessy Raiders DE Wisconsin 2* unranked DE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1199981
2009 3 76  Deandre Levy Lions LB Wisconsin 3* #78 LB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1335989
2009 3 79  Kraig Urbik Steelers OG Wisconsin 4* #24 OL http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=661266
2009 3 100 Travis Beckum Giants TE Wisconsin 5* #1 DE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=708871

2008 4 131 Jack Ikegwuonu Eagles CB Wisconsin NO star unranked CB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=968625
2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhall Saints K Wisconsin 3 star unranked K http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=992940
2008 6 181 Nick Hayden Panthers DT Wisconsin 3* #43 DT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=680190
2008 6 191 Paul Hubbard Browns WR Wisconsin former walk on http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&nid=3262537&yr=2008

2007 1 3   Joe Thomas Browns OT Wisconsin NO star unranked OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=269855 

Here is his recruiting class comparisons from Wisconsin to Ark

All Rankings according to Scout

Classes at Ark
2014- #33 overall 0 5*, 5 4*, 15 3* 3.04 * average
2013- #32 overall 1 5*, 3 4*, 13 3* 2.96 * average
Total- 1 5*, 8 4*, 28 3*

7 Classes at Wisconsin
2012- #63 overall 0 5*, 5 4*,  4 3* 3.17 * average
2011- #38 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 17 3* 2.90 * average
2010- #33 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 17 3* 2.73 * average
2009- #51 overall 0 5*, 2 4*, 11 3* 2.71 * average
2008- #26 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 18 3* 2.83 * average
2007- #41 overall 1 5*, 2 4*,  9 3* 2.89 * average
2006- #37 overall 0 5*, 2 4*,  8 3* 2.52 * average
Avg-  #41 overall .14 5*, 2 4*, 12 3* 2.82 * average
Total- 1 5*, 14 4*,  84 3*

Average at UW compared to 1st class at Ark
UA- #32.5 overall .50 5*, 4 4*, 14 3* 3.00 * average
UW- #41.3 overall .14 5*, 2 4*, 12 3* 2.82 * average

The development he has done is remarkable. I am confident our current staff can coach them up even better than what he had at Wisconsin AND be able to bring in more athletically gifted football players then what he did at Wisky.  With his first 2 recruiting classes as well as the upcoming 2015 class it appears we are definately going to be able to do that. 

Maybe this will be the year we start making our way back into the national conversation

[PygmalionEffect]

Nice post

[Nosboar Accubond]

Very well put together, thanks for sharing this - +1  :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[Vantage 8 dude]

Bielema had 30 players drafted while he was HC at Wisconsin (counting the 5 Wisky guys this year)

According to the scout rankings

1 5*
3 4*
11 3*
9 2* (one being 1st rounder and Def POY Watt who transferred in as a walk on TE, Russell Wilson and 1st rounder Frederick)
6 NO stars (including 3rd overall pick and All Pro Joe Thomas and 4 former Walkons)

Average scout star rankings of his 30 NFL draft picks- 2.27

Average round drafted for his 30 NFL draft picks- 3.6

Average pick for his 30 NFL draft picks- 108

The past 4 drafts he has had 7 OL picked- 3 1st rounders, 2 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th and a 7th.  Those guys were: 4 3*'s, 2 2*'s and NO Star Walk on TE. Basically if you start at OL for CBB the past 3 years, you will be drafted.

2014 3 68 Dezmen Southward Falcons FS Wisconsin 2* unranked S http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=4108099
2014 3 77 Chris Borland 49ers MLB Wisconsin 2* #55 MLB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=3812708
2014 4 130 James White Patriots RB Wisconsin 3* #70 RB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=4108113
2014 5 176 Jared Abbrederis Packers WR Wisconsin no star unranked walk on WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/2/1355306.html#/2/1355306.html
2014 7 224 Beau Allen Eagles DT Wisconsin 4* #26 DT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3566750#/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3566750

2013 1 31 Travis Frederick Cowboys C Wisconsin 2* #104 OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3292050
2013 2 58 Montee Ball Broncos RB Wisconsin 3* #47 RB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3114255
2013 5 168 Ricky Wagner Ravens OT Wisconsin NO star former walk on TE http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2013&nid=3748887

2012 1 27  Kevin Zeitler Bengals OG Wisconsin 3* #22 OG http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3126005
2012 2 55  Peter Konz Falcons C Wisconsin 3* #38 OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3044890
2012 3 75  Russell Wilson Seahawks QB Wisconsin 2* #67 QB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2012&nid=2508716
2012 4 122 Nick Toon Saints  WR Wisconsin 3* #89 WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=2415550
2012 5 157 Bradie Ewing Falcons  FB Wisconsin  no star unranked walk on RB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3400974
2012 6 207 Brad Nortman Panthers  P Wisconsin 2* #4 P http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3202298

2011 1 11  J.J. Watt Texans DE Wisconsin 2* unranked DE http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2011&nid=2592221
2011 1 29  Gabe Carimi Bears OT Wisconsin 3* unranked OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1776866
2011 2 47  Lance Hendricks Rams TE Wisconsin 4* #12 WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1776750
2011 3 75  John Moffitt Seahawks OG Wisconsin 2* unranked OG http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1886727
2011 7 252 Bill Nagy Cowboys OG Wisconsin 3* #55 OG http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=1771944

2010 4 118 Garrett Graham Texans TE Wisconsin 2* #53 TE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1201226
2010 4 130 O'Brien Schofield Cardinals LB Wisconsin 3* #55 LB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1201775

2009 3 71  Matt Shaughnessy Raiders DE Wisconsin 2* unranked DE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1199981
2009 3 76  Deandre Levy Lions LB Wisconsin 3* #78 LB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1335989
2009 3 79  Kraig Urbik Steelers OG Wisconsin 4* #24 OL http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=661266
2009 3 100 Travis Beckum Giants TE Wisconsin 5* #1 DE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=708871

2008 4 131 Jack Ikegwuonu Eagles CB Wisconsin NO star unranked CB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=968625
2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhall Saints K Wisconsin 3 star unranked K http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=992940
2008 6 181 Nick Hayden Panthers DT Wisconsin 3* #43 DT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=680190
2008 6 191 Paul Hubbard Browns WR Wisconsin former walk on http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&nid=3262537&yr=2008

2007 1 3   Joe Thomas Browns OT Wisconsin NO star unranked OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=269855 

Here is his recruiting class comparisons from Wisconsin to Ark

All Rankings according to Scout

Classes at Ark
2014- #33 overall 0 5*, 5 4*, 15 3* 3.04 * average
2013- #32 overall 1 5*, 3 4*, 13 3* 2.96 * average
Total- 1 5*, 8 4*, 28 3*

7 Classes at Wisconsin
2012- #63 overall 0 5*, 5 4*,  4 3* 3.17 * average
2011- #38 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 17 3* 2.90 * average
2010- #33 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 17 3* 2.73 * average
2009- #51 overall 0 5*, 2 4*, 11 3* 2.71 * average
2008- #26 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 18 3* 2.83 * average
2007- #41 overall 1 5*, 2 4*,  9 3* 2.89 * average
2006- #37 overall 0 5*, 2 4*,  8 3* 2.52 * average
Avg-  #41 overall .14 5*, 2 4*, 12 3* 2.82 * average
Total- 1 5*, 14 4*,  84 3*

Average at UW compared to 1st class at Ark
UA- #32.5 overall .50 5*, 4 4*, 14 3* 3.00 * average
UW- #41.3 overall .14 5*, 2 4*, 12 3* 2.82 * average

The development he has done is remarkable. I am confident our current staff can coach them up even better than what he had at Wisconsin AND be able to bring in more athletically gifted football players then what he did at Wisky.  With his first 2 recruiting classes as well as the upcoming 2015 class it appears we are definately going to be able to do that. 

Maybe this will be the year we start making our way back into the national conversation

Thanks for the hard work and research. A lot of nice FACTS for a change. Unfortunately for those with a anti-CBB agenda those are mere "inconvenient truths". It merely reenforces their "don't confuse me with facts 'cause my mind's made up" stance.

[Jek Tono Porkins]

That won't work, though. We néed a coach that can maximize talent...

[Bubba's Bruisers]

That won't work, though. We néed a coach that can maximize talent...

And you think we don't have that coach?

[Vantage 8 dude]

That won't work, though. We néed a coach that can maximize talent...

What the ??

[JackJohnson]

Just noticed this- the past 3 years CBB has had a former walk on drafted, all happen to be in the 5th round

[hawgmasta]

That won't work, though. We néed a coach that can maximize talent...

I'm not sure but I think this was sarcasm y'all.

Great post with some amazing information. Reading this forum you would think that he was a no name hire from Arkansas Tech, but the truth is he has a great record of evaluation and getting in guys that work their tails off as a team.

[Dr Carl aka Shorthog]

Good research. The only thing I see that is on the surface concerning is the lack of offensive skill players. Lets of OL and defensive guys. A few RB's, but not a lot of secondary or WR/QB's.

[razorsharptusk]

Awesome.  For about half the questions on this forum, and then those to come after the season starts, we need to sticky this to the top of the forum and send them to read it when they start to question CBB's ability to coach.  Nice post!

[Steef]

Very well put together, thanks for sharing this - +1  :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Great job, Jack.

[thefisher]

Very nice op.  CBB has an impeccable track record of "coaching up" guys. He is one of the best there is in college football at doing more with less. THAT is why he is such a great fit at Arkansas.  Many don't quiet see it yet ... but it won't be much longer and they will have run out of things to complain about. 

Well ...... ok, they will still complain about something. The GSD, Coke or Pepsi, paper or plastic ... stuff that really matters. However, it won't be about not being competitive and having wins.

[Pork Twain]

Nice work as usual Jack

[Bigmac2]

+1 for the plethora of information. While numbers are great the most important numbers are the win loss numbers. Not giving up on him just saying that is what myself and most fans judge a coach on. Remember he is now in the SEC so even though he has improved his recruiting numbers compared to his Wisconsin days they need to improve even more to be comparable to the league. I hope you are right though that this will equate to success. As usual nice job.

[Hogfan1660]

Great post!!!! The man can develop players for sure and hopefully it will start showing in our players this year!

[Dr Carl aka Shorthog]

Damn, I am tired of hearing about doing more with less. That was a nuttism. I want to do more with more for once.

[sowmonella]

Thanks for posting Jack. I hope this opens some tightly closed eyes. :razorback:

[thefisher]

Damn, I am tired of hearing about doing more with less. That was a nuttism. I want to do more with more for once.

Forget the "Nuttism's".  Here are the bone bare facts-

TOTAL NUMBER OF PLAYERS RATED AT 3* OR BETTER PRODUCED BY STATE IN 2014

Arkansas         9
Texas           162
Florida          192
California       230

As you can see Arkansas only produced 9 players rated at 3* or better while Texas produced 162 at 3* or better, Florida 192, and California 230.

In order for Arkansas to compete with the big dogs their coach must accomplish more with less as a rule.  It is just the raw mathematical fact of living in a state with far, far fewer Division 1 level recruits in it.

[secfan30]

It's so nice to see facts, other then man love based on personal agendas.

[Razorbax]

Why are you counting this year's recruits?

Bielema had 30 players drafted while he was HC at Wisconsin (counting the 5 Wisky guys this year)

According to the scout rankings

1 5*
3 4*
11 3*
9 2* (one being 1st rounder and Def POY Watt who transferred in as a walk on TE, Russell Wilson and 1st rounder Frederick)
6 NO stars (including 3rd overall pick and All Pro Joe Thomas and 4 former Walkons)

Average scout star rankings of his 30 NFL draft picks- 2.27

Average round drafted for his 30 NFL draft picks- 3.6

Average pick for his 30 NFL draft picks- 108

The past 4 drafts he has had 7 OL picked- 3 1st rounders, 2 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th and a 7th.  Those guys were: 4 3*'s, 2 2*'s and NO Star Walk on TE. Basically if you start at OL for CBB the past 3 years, you will be drafted.

2014 3 68 Dezmen Southward Falcons FS Wisconsin 2* unranked S http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=4108099
2014 3 77 Chris Borland 49ers MLB Wisconsin 2* #55 MLB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=3812708
2014 4 130 James White Patriots RB Wisconsin 3* #70 RB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=4108113
2014 5 176 Jared Abbrederis Packers WR Wisconsin no star unranked walk on WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/2/1355306.html#/2/1355306.html
2014 7 224 Beau Allen Eagles DT Wisconsin 4* #26 DT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3566750#/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3566750

2013 1 31 Travis Frederick Cowboys C Wisconsin 2* #104 OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3292050
2013 2 58 Montee Ball Broncos RB Wisconsin 3* #47 RB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3114255
2013 5 168 Ricky Wagner Ravens OT Wisconsin NO star former walk on TE http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2013&nid=3748887

2012 1 27  Kevin Zeitler Bengals OG Wisconsin 3* #22 OG http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3126005
2012 2 55  Peter Konz Falcons C Wisconsin 3* #38 OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3044890
2012 3 75  Russell Wilson Seahawks QB Wisconsin 2* #67 QB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2012&nid=2508716
2012 4 122 Nick Toon Saints  WR Wisconsin 3* #89 WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=2415550
2012 5 157 Bradie Ewing Falcons  FB Wisconsin  no star unranked walk on RB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3400974
2012 6 207 Brad Nortman Panthers  P Wisconsin 2* #4 P http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3202298

2011 1 11  J.J. Watt Texans DE Wisconsin 2* unranked DE http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2011&nid=2592221
2011 1 29  Gabe Carimi Bears OT Wisconsin 3* unranked OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1776866
2011 2 47  Lance Hendricks Rams TE Wisconsin 4* #12 WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1776750
2011 3 75  John Moffitt Seahawks OG Wisconsin 2* unranked OG http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1886727
2011 7 252 Bill Nagy Cowboys OG Wisconsin 3* #55 OG http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=1771944

2010 4 118 Garrett Graham Texans TE Wisconsin 2* #53 TE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1201226
2010 4 130 O'Brien Schofield Cardinals LB Wisconsin 3* #55 LB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1201775

2009 3 71  Matt Shaughnessy Raiders DE Wisconsin 2* unranked DE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1199981
2009 3 76  Deandre Levy Lions LB Wisconsin 3* #78 LB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1335989
2009 3 79  Kraig Urbik Steelers OG Wisconsin 4* #24 OL http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=661266
2009 3 100 Travis Beckum Giants TE Wisconsin 5* #1 DE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=708871

2008 4 131 Jack Ikegwuonu Eagles CB Wisconsin NO star unranked CB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=968625
2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhall Saints K Wisconsin 3 star unranked K http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=992940
2008 6 181 Nick Hayden Panthers DT Wisconsin 3* #43 DT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=680190
2008 6 191 Paul Hubbard Browns WR Wisconsin former walk on http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&nid=3262537&yr=2008

2007 1 3   Joe Thomas Browns OT Wisconsin NO star unranked OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=269855 

Here is his recruiting class comparisons from Wisconsin to Ark

All Rankings according to Scout

Classes at Ark
2014- #33 overall 0 5*, 5 4*, 15 3* 3.04 * average
2013- #32 overall 1 5*, 3 4*, 13 3* 2.96 * average
Total- 1 5*, 8 4*, 28 3*

7 Classes at Wisconsin
2012- #63 overall 0 5*, 5 4*,  4 3* 3.17 * average
2011- #38 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 17 3* 2.90 * average
2010- #33 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 17 3* 2.73 * average
2009- #51 overall 0 5*, 2 4*, 11 3* 2.71 * average
2008- #26 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 18 3* 2.83 * average
2007- #41 overall 1 5*, 2 4*,  9 3* 2.89 * average
2006- #37 overall 0 5*, 2 4*,  8 3* 2.52 * average
Avg-  #41 overall .14 5*, 2 4*, 12 3* 2.82 * average
Total- 1 5*, 14 4*,  84 3*

Average at UW compared to 1st class at Ark
UA- #32.5 overall .50 5*, 4 4*, 14 3* 3.00 * average
UW- #41.3 overall .14 5*, 2 4*, 12 3* 2.82 * average

The development he has done is remarkable. I am confident our current staff can coach them up even better than what he had at Wisconsin AND be able to bring in more athletically gifted football players then what he did at Wisky.  With his first 2 recruiting classes as well as the upcoming 2015 class it appears we are definately going to be able to do that. 

Maybe this will be the year we start making our way back into the national conversation

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Maybe this will be the year we start making our way back into the national conversation

I hope for a bowl game this year, but I expect no less than Cotton next year...

[JackJohnson]

Why are you counting this year's recruits?

I did it to show that his recruiting classes- at least according to scout- have improved since coming to arkansas.  The hope is that he will be able to continue his ability to develop players, however do it with a better starting prospect with a higher ceiling

[lumphog]

I did it to show that his recruiting classes- at least according to scout- have improved since coming to arkansas.  The hope is that he will be able to continue his ability to develop players, however do it with a better starting prospect with a higher ceiling

Thanks Jack +1  I'd like to see Pittman's track record

[go hogues]

I hope for a bowl game this year, but I expect no less than Cotton next year...

Why do you guys do this stuff to yourselves? Several SEC coaches said anonymously last season that it would take THREE years for BB to dig us out of the hole BP left us in.
On top of that, teams like Auburn, ATM and Ole Miss are playing with the offense du jour and are hauling in top talent by the boatload because of it. MSU is rising as well. Bama and LSU will always be who they are. That leaves us and our three year rebuild to average.
If you are hoping for a Cotton Bowl in year three, you are in for serious disappointment. My guess is 3-4 wins this year, MAYBE 6-6 in 2015. It's doubtful we'll see a Cotton Bowl or better situation for several years.

[bruisemeister]

All of those offensive linemen. I always wondered why he fired Mike Markinson. Mike had coached many All conference and All Americans at Arkansas and Ole Miss(Ugoh, Luigs, Andrews, Felton, Parker, Tubbs, Oher to name a few). It was because Mike was still not up to his standard. The NFL talent proves it. A lot of Mike's had great college success but were not developed enough for the next level.

[1highhog]

I hope for a bowl game this year, but I expect no less than Cotton next year...

I think myself that's a little bit of expecting to much to soon, and I'm  that you're not one that starts clamoring for our Coach to be fired when such lofty goals are not reached.  Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with wanting them to reach that goal, I hope they can get to a bowl this year myself and with a break here and there I think they can, but if they fall just short of a bowl this year it's not going to kill me.  Next year I fully expect a Bowl game, and then in year 4, I then see at least a bowl like the Cotton.  I'm not trying to bash you, I'm just hoping that a-lot of our fans are not all expecting a bowl game this year or Coach has got to go type of thing.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I did it to show that his recruiting classes- at least according to scout- have improved since coming to arkansas.  The hope is that he will be able to continue his ability to develop players, however do it with a better starting prospect with a higher ceiling

During Saban's tenure at Alabama they have averaged producing 5.4 draft picks per year, but 7.2 per year over the last 5 seasons.

At Wisconsin Bielema (over his last 5 seasons there) averaged producing 4.0 draft picks per year, which is about one more than what we (Arkansas) have averaged over the last 5 seasons (3.2).

Given that Bielema is recruiting better than he did at Wisconsin, I expect to see us bump up to 5 or 6 draft picks per year (on average) in the future. That doesn't equal what Saban has accomplished at Alabama, but it could place us in a more competitive position as a team.

Over the last 5 seasons LSU has averaged 7 per year, Georgia 5.6, Florida 5.4, S. Carolina 3.8, Auburn 2.4, A&M 2.8, etc. So if we can increase the number of kids that we get drafted from Arkansas to 5 or 6 per year it seems that we should have a chance to elevate our status in the SEC and hopefully, be far more competitive.

[12247]

I don't care enough to go look but during BBs stay at Wisconsin, how many players got drafted from Arkansas during that time.  We had Nutt, Petrino and JLS as HCs.  How many did their efforts put in the NFL compared to the Wisconsin/BB connection.

It could be said that the players drafted from Arkansas this draft were all because of BB and his one year with them OR it could be said those belong to Petrino and JLS.  Of course, that all depends on whose hiney you choose to kiss today.

Some folks talk about FACTS, especially those facts that put a favorable angle toward where they want the conservation to go.  I wish to look at wins.  I realize that NFL caliber players are more likely to put wins where I want them. 

BB won 3 conference championships in the Big 10.  That's decent.  He had a winning conference record there.  That's decent.  He had a winning OOC there.  That's decent.  He lost the head to head games record to the big teams in the Big 10 while he was there.  That's indecent.  He didn't win his BCS bowls but did beat us in 2006.  Could have been worse.  He put up a 3-9 record here his first year.  That's indecent.  Went 0-8 in conference.  That's indecent.

I hope we put dozens of football players in the NFL with BB.  But I hope we win tons of games more.  I believe when BB gets us turned around, we'll see us beating the weaklings annually, splitting with the averages annually and winning about 20 to 25 percent of the time against the big boys of the SEC.
As bad as I hate the thought, maybe that's where we belong based on recruiting and long term planning by the University and the caliber of coaching we attract. 

And yep, I do believe we had opportunities to hire coaches that would have done better than BB just as I realize we could have hired coaches who would have done far worse.  And I would have fired Petrino.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Some folks talk about FACTS, especially those facts that put a favorable angle toward where they want the conservation to go.  I wish to look at wins.  I realize that NFL caliber players are more likely to put wins where I want them. 

                Ark       Wisc
2014           4           5
2013           4           3
2012           4           6
2011           3           5
2010           1           2
2009           1           4
2008           6           4
2007           4           1
2006           1           5
2005           2           7
Total          30         42
Avg P/Yr     3.0        4.2

And FYI, over HDN's 10 years here, he averaged 2.7 players per year to go in the NFL draft with his highest being 6 in the 2008 draft, 6 in the 2004 draft and 5 in the 2000 draft.

BP averaged 2.8 per year.

JLS had 4 in his one interim year and Bielema has had 4 in his one year, though all of those talents should be credited back to BP's recruiting. Probably part of the reason that BP's average was so low because Nutt's recruiting tended to drag his average down to some extent.

[#1Fan]

CCB started as HC at Wis. during the 2006 season, so the first draft of the players he HC'd would be 2007.  Eliminating 2005 and 2006 from your table (they would have been Alverez's players) leaves us with 27 Hogs (3.37/year) and 30 Badgers (3.75/year) from 2007 - 2014.  Not significantly different.

[Pork Twain]

Damn, I am tired of hearing about doing more with less. That was a nuttism. I want to do more with more for once.

Sad news is that if that is what you really want, you are going to be forced to look elsewhere.  Doing more with more would imply that we have more than our competition and that will NEVER happen unless we move to the Sunbelt.

[three hog night]

During Saban's tenure at Alabama they have averaged producing 5.4 draft picks per year, but 7.2 per year over the last 5 seasons.

At Wisconsin Bielema (over his last 5 seasons there) averaged producing 4.0 draft picks per year, which is about one more than what we (Arkansas) have averaged over the last 5 seasons (3.2).

Given that Bielema is recruiting better than he did at Wisconsin, I expect to see us bump up to 5 or 6 draft picks per year (on average) in the future. That doesn't equal what Saban has accomplished at Alabama, but it could place us in a more competitive position as a team.

Over the last 5 seasons LSU has averaged 7 per year, Georgia 5.6, Florida 5.4, S. Carolina 3.8, Auburn 2.4, A&M 2.8, etc. So if we can increase the number of kids that we get drafted from Arkansas to 5 or 6 per year it seems that we should have a chance to elevate our status in the SEC and hopefully, be far more competitive.

I think that 2-3 years from now we will understand what Bielema is doing.

[bphi11ips]

The OP is on to something.   

[rzrbk4life]

Good post. +1

No doubt we will have a very formidable o-line while Bret is the coach here

[MuskogeeHogFan]

CCB started as HC at Wis. during the 2006 season, so the first draft of the players he HC'd would be 2007.  Eliminating 2005 and 2006 from your table (they would have been Alverez's players) leaves us with 27 Hogs (3.37/year) and 30 Badgers (3.75/year) from 2007 - 2014.  Not significantly different.

In all fairness, if yu want to use that methodology, cutting out the first two years of a HC's tenure for the NFL draft (belonging to the previous coach) then Wisconsin would have had 25 selections from the 2009-2014 draft years (Bielema's players) for an avergae of 4.2 per year.

That being said and giving BP credit for every year since the 2011 draft year, that would be 16 drafted and an average of 3.8 per year.

Remember, we are talking draft years and not football seasons so the draft year would follow the last season that they played and we are subtracting the first two draft years from both coaches.

So yes, looking at it that way, it is pretty close. The encouraging thing is that Bielema and his staff appear to be recruiting better here than they ever did at Wisconsin. That's good news for everybody.

[#1Fan]

In all fairness, if yu want to use that methodology, cutting out the first two years of a HC's tenure for the NFL draft (belonging to the previous coach) then Wisconsin would have had 25 selections from the 2009-2014 draft years (Bielema's players) for an avergae of 4.2 per year.

That being said and giving BP credit for every year since the 2011 draft year, that would be 16 drafted and an average of 3.8 per year.

Remember, we are talking draft years and not football seasons so the draft year would follow the last season that they played and we are subtracting the first two draft years from both coaches.

So yes, looking at it that way, it is pretty close. The encouraging thing is that Bielema and his staff appear to be recruiting better here than they ever did at Wisconsin. That's good news for everybody.

No, what I'm saying is that the 2005 draft numbers for Wis. would have been players who played during the 2004 season, and the 2006 draft numbers would have been for players who played during the 2005 season.  CBB then started as HC during the 2006 season.  So, the first draft for players he HC'd would have been the 2007 draft.

[MJ2]

Rankings may matter and the draft may matter, but what really matters most is W's & L's and last year we had too many L's.    Hope he can turn it around - quick!.

[LZH]

Damn, I am tired of hearing about doing more with less. That was a nuttism. I want to do more with more for once.

Me too.  If he can reel in the current class that is apparently looking really good, I'll feel alot better about where we're headed.  But, I am afraid that I was wrong about Chaney.  If his offense doesn't improve by leaps and bounds this year, I don't think BB keeps him.  And if BB starts swapping co-ordinators like we've seen from others here in the past, those head coaches never seemed to put it together on that side of the ball.

Rarely in the past 25 years have we had a team with both a good offense and a good defense.  Every year it always seems to be one or the other.  Last year we had neither.  But, I'll admit that I still think BB is a good defensive coach - he was a damn fine defensive co-ordinator - and I can't believe our defense won't be better next year (of course I said that last year, too).  So as ridiculously horrible as we looked on defense last season, I'd still bet that the offense is gonna be our make-or-break side of the ball.

Point is, I think until this 'Top 10' class gets in uniform, 1) BB needs to do what he apparently didn't do last year - wrangle the defense away from his DC when necessary and get their * together, and 2) Chaney needs to show that he is what we thought he was and mold his offense around the players he has in order to find a way to move the ball....even if that means spreading them out and putting two or three RB's on the field at one time.  Whatever it takes.  This year is not a gimme, not at all.  This year is the pivot point, the litmus test that will tell everyone whether BB and his crew can cut it here.  If he goes belly-up again this year, then his 'Top 10' class will have to save his job as true freshmen next year....without a doubt.

[Jek Tono Porkins]

I'm not sure but I think this was sarcasm y'all.

Great post with some amazing information. Reading this forum you would think that he was a no name hire from Arkansas Tech, but the truth is he has a great record of evaluation and getting in guys that work their tails off as a team.

Glad someone picked up on it.

[ricoman]

Bielema had 30 players drafted while he was HC at Wisconsin (counting the 5 Wisky guys this year)

According to the scout rankings

1 5*
3 4*
11 3*
9 2* (one being 1st rounder and Def POY Watt who transferred in as a walk on TE, Russell Wilson and 1st rounder Frederick)
6 NO stars (including 3rd overall pick and All Pro Joe Thomas and 4 former Walkons)

Average scout star rankings of his 30 NFL draft picks- 2.27

Average round drafted for his 30 NFL draft picks- 3.6

Average pick for his 30 NFL draft picks- 108

The past 4 drafts he has had 7 OL picked- 3 1st rounders, 2 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th and a 7th.  Those guys were: 4 3*'s, 2 2*'s and NO Star Walk on TE. Basically if you start at OL for CBB the past 3 years, you will be drafted.

2014 3 68 Dezmen Southward Falcons FS Wisconsin 2* unranked S http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=4108099
2014 3 77 Chris Borland 49ers MLB Wisconsin 2* #55 MLB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=3812708
2014 4 130 James White Patriots RB Wisconsin 3* #70 RB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2014&nid=4108113
2014 5 176 Jared Abbrederis Packers WR Wisconsin no star unranked walk on WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/2/1355306.html#/2/1355306.html
2014 7 224 Beau Allen Eagles DT Wisconsin 4* #26 DT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3566750#/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3566750

2013 1 31 Travis Frederick Cowboys C Wisconsin 2* #104 OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3292050
2013 2 58 Montee Ball Broncos RB Wisconsin 3* #47 RB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3114255
2013 5 168 Ricky Wagner Ravens OT Wisconsin NO star former walk on TE http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2013&nid=3748887

2012 1 27  Kevin Zeitler Bengals OG Wisconsin 3* #22 OG http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3126005
2012 2 55  Peter Konz Falcons C Wisconsin 3* #38 OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3044890
2012 3 75  Russell Wilson Seahawks QB Wisconsin 2* #67 QB http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2012&nid=2508716
2012 4 122 Nick Toon Saints  WR Wisconsin 3* #89 WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=2415550
2012 5 157 Bradie Ewing Falcons  FB Wisconsin  no star unranked walk on RB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3400974
2012 6 207 Brad Nortman Panthers  P Wisconsin 2* #4 P http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3202298

2011 1 11  J.J. Watt Texans DE Wisconsin 2* unranked DE http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2011&nid=2592221
2011 1 29  Gabe Carimi Bears OT Wisconsin 3* unranked OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1776866
2011 2 47  Lance Hendricks Rams TE Wisconsin 4* #12 WR http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1776750
2011 3 75  John Moffitt Seahawks OG Wisconsin 2* unranked OG http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1886727
2011 7 252 Bill Nagy Cowboys OG Wisconsin 3* #55 OG http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=1771944

2010 4 118 Garrett Graham Texans TE Wisconsin 2* #53 TE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1201226
2010 4 130 O'Brien Schofield Cardinals LB Wisconsin 3* #55 LB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1201775

2009 3 71  Matt Shaughnessy Raiders DE Wisconsin 2* unranked DE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1199981
2009 3 76  Deandre Levy Lions LB Wisconsin 3* #78 LB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=1335989
2009 3 79  Kraig Urbik Steelers OG Wisconsin 4* #24 OL http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=661266
2009 3 100 Travis Beckum Giants TE Wisconsin 5* #1 DE http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=708871

2008 4 131 Jack Ikegwuonu Eagles CB Wisconsin NO star unranked CB http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=968625
2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhall Saints K Wisconsin 3 star unranked K http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=992940
2008 6 181 Nick Hayden Panthers DT Wisconsin 3* #43 DT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=680190
2008 6 191 Paul Hubbard Browns WR Wisconsin former walk on http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&nid=3262537&yr=2008

2007 1 3   Joe Thomas Browns OT Wisconsin NO star unranked OT http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=269855 

Here is his recruiting class comparisons from Wisconsin to Ark

All Rankings according to Scout

Classes at Ark
2014- #33 overall 0 5*, 5 4*, 15 3* 3.04 * average
2013- #32 overall 1 5*, 3 4*, 13 3* 2.96 * average
Total- 1 5*, 8 4*, 28 3*

7 Classes at Wisconsin
2012- #63 overall 0 5*, 5 4*,  4 3* 3.17 * average
2011- #38 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 17 3* 2.90 * average
2010- #33 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 17 3* 2.73 * average
2009- #51 overall 0 5*, 2 4*, 11 3* 2.71 * average
2008- #26 overall 0 5*, 1 4*, 18 3* 2.83 * average
2007- #41 overall 1 5*, 2 4*,  9 3* 2.89 * average
2006- #37 overall 0 5*, 2 4*,  8 3* 2.52 * average
Avg-  #41 overall .14 5*, 2 4*, 12 3* 2.82 * average
Total- 1 5*, 14 4*,  84 3*

Average at UW compared to 1st class at Ark
UA- #32.5 overall .50 5*, 4 4*, 14 3* 3.00 * average
UW- #41.3 overall .14 5*, 2 4*, 12 3* 2.82 * average

The development he has done is remarkable. I am confident our current staff can coach them up even better than what he had at Wisconsin AND be able to bring in more athletically gifted football players then what he did at Wisky.  With his first 2 recruiting classes as well as the upcoming 2015 class it appears we are definately going to be able to do that. 

Maybe this will be the year we start making our way back into the national conversation

Nice post and thank you for the info.... However if you look in another perspective... don't you think he underacheived with the kind of NFL talent he had? my two cents

[bphi11ips]

Nice post and thank you for the info.... However if you look in another perspective... don't you think he underacheived with the kind of NFL talent he had? my two cents

Here's another way to look at it:  The talent evaluators screwed up.  You can't have it both ways.  Either Bielema coached his players up, or he had better players to begin with than anyone thought. 

[hawgsalot]

3 straight BCS bowls and Big 10 titles regardless of anything else is very very impressive.  Some may try to diminish that but that's hogwash.  We've been to one BCS and never won a conf championship even when the SEC west was down.

[RNHog]

Nice post

It was. I agree.

However it won't matter, some will still find a way to run down coach.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Nice post and thank you for the info.... However if you look in another perspective... don't you think he underacheived with the kind of NFL talent he had? my two cents

He outperformed us in recruiting, developed talent and wins and is currently recruiting at a higher level than he ever did at Wisconsin. Our future, though it may be hard to see at this point, is bright, IMO.

[Chic-Hog-Oh]

This has to be in the top 5 of all OP's I've ever seen. Pertinent, accurate facts....clearly and thoroughly presented. With a point to be made. Even if there is an agenda/point-of-view, it doesn't matter: the data is presented in a balanced, unassailable way.

What's sweet is posts like this shine a light on and expose the opposite approach: trolls, flamers, agenda-mongers, "one-fact" hit-and-runners; not to mention dullards, the lazy, and all variety of rock-kickers.

Thank you and +1.

[Razorbax]

By the same token, shouldn't the first 4~5 draft classes be credited to Alvarez?

I did it to show that his recruiting classes- at least according to scout- have improved since coming to arkansas.  The hope is that he will be able to continue his ability to develop players, however do it with a better starting prospect with a higher ceiling

[hawgsalot]

By the same token, shouldn't the first 4~5 draft classes be credited to Alvarez?

Hmmm it doesn't take a scientific rocket to figure out his last classes had more drafted than the first few years so not sure your point unless your saying his recruiting and coaching were mucho better than alvarez's or our previous coaches?  Seriously did you look at the data, his first four years he had 11 drafted, his next two years he had 11 drafted alone much less the next two.

[Razorbax]

I guess it does take a scientific rocket to understand consistency....If you use this draft class to make some point about CBB, and use the logic of them being his recruits....You should apply the same consistency and give the credit for the first few classes to Alvarez. As for his recruiting rankings and what not.....Maybe you can celebrate every year with Texas when they pass out the trophies for recruiting or pound your chest about the NFL draft........I prefer wins on the field.

Hmmm it doesn't take a scientific rocket to figure out his last classes had more drafted than the first few years so not sure your point unless your saying his recruiting and coaching were mucho better than alvarez's or our previous coaches?