Just a Random Coaching Suggestion From an Armchair Quarterback

[HogFanatic]

I think coaches would be wise to "suggest" to their players to take a mixed martial arts class. Especially their linemen on both sides of the ball.

[fanofthehog]

Other than conditioning, what would be the purpose of it?

[HogFanatic]

Other than conditioning, what would be the purpose of it?

I can't think of a better way to teach someone to utilize their body weight as leverage.

[HogFanatic]

Or maybe not an MMA class so much as a JuJitsu class. I would guarantee that if you, as a coach, had your linemen roll around and grapple a few hours a week they would show improvement on the football field.

[fanofthehog]

The one drawback they would have to be careful with is weight loss.  I do Jiu-Jitsu myself, the amount of weight you can drop from grappling a few hours a week is unbelievable.  When I was 26, I was 40 lbs overweight.  I started Jiu-Jitsu and I stopped drinking soda.  Today I am 37 and I am 5 lbs under my ideal weight.

[tophawg19]

Hershel Walker and several other RB'S Credited ballet with helping them in their careers . Whatever works i guess

[fanofthehog]

Also, there is a great risk for injury.  I have had my share, and guys all around me deal with joint issues, knee problems, and neck pain.  I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but there are definitely some things to consider.

[HogFanatic]

The one drawback they would have to be careful with is weight loss.  I do Jiu-Jitsu myself, the amount of weight you can drop from grappling a few hours a week is unbelievable.  When I was 26, I was 40 lbs overweight.  I started Jiu-Jitsu and I stopped drinking soda.  Today I am 37 and I am 5 lbs under my ideal weight.

This is true. But these guys are under close supervision with a very specific diet that can be adjusted. They are already managed by professionals.

[secneahog]

Other than conditioning, what would be the purpose of it?

Someone advanced in holding the mitts can help someone tremendously with their hand eye coordination. 

[Laughing Hog]

I think coaches would be wise to "suggest" to their players to take a mixed martial arts class. Especially their linemen on both sides of the ball.

I'm not sure about how much MMA would help (guess it couldn't hurt - too much), but a good straight up martial art, such as taekwondo or jiujitsu as was mentioned earlier may be better.  Improves flexibility, balance, body control. Also teaches discipline.

[HogFanatic]

Also, there is a great risk for injury.  I have had my share, and guys all around me deal with joint issues, knee problems, and neck pain.  I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but there are definitely some things to consider.

Yeah. You would definitely have to watch the knee bars and heel hooks and stuff.

[secneahog]

The one drawback they would have to be careful with is weight loss.  I do Jiu-Jitsu myself, the amount of weight you can drop from grappling a few hours a week is unbelievable.  When I was 26, I was 40 lbs overweight.  I started Jiu-Jitsu and I stopped drinking soda.  Today I am 37 and I am 5 lbs under my ideal weight.

Nice to see another jiu jitsu guy. Brown belt under helio Seneca here.

[secneahog]

I can't think of a better way to teach someone to utilize their body weight as leverage.

Good wrestling is up there also.

[HogFanatic]

Good wrestling is up there also.

Absolutely. Judo, Aikido, etc. But with the prevalence of MMA joints springing up everywhere, it is very easy to find a good JJ class. I really do believe that adding something like this to someone's conditioning regimen would pay huge dividends on the football field.

[secneahog]

Absolutely. Judo, Aikido, etc. But with the prevalence of MMA joints springing up everywhere, it is very easy to find a good JJ class. I really do believe that adding something like this to someone's conditioning regimen would pay huge dividends on the football field.

Oh I do also. Just seems like the main problem with college athletes is they don't have enough time in the day.
Pros do.

[HogFanatic]

Oh I do also. Just seems like the main problem with college athletes is they don't have enough time in the day.
Pros do.

Perhaps

[fanofthehog]

Nice to see another jiu jitsu guy. Brown belt under helio Seneca here.

Brown belt as well - under Roberto Alencar.

[MrThunderhog]

Maybe we should hire Connie Shockner to come in and give a class on the effective use of brass knuckles and how to give an MP

[LZH]

Am I thinking of somewhere else, or wasn't this tried in Fayetteville before? 

[tusksincolorado]

Other than conditioning, what would be the purpose of it?

Learning "chop blocks"....la Aubie Style!

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

Judo, Ju-Jitsu, Taekwondo. What are those... 10 or 15 yard penalties

[rusvegashog]

Rex Kwon Do is the logical choice. Do you think anyone thinks that Bret is a failure because he goes home to Starla every night? Forget about it.

[hvsupastar]

I'm going to disagree. Football is about explosive strength,  BJJ seems to be using your strength against yourself

[bob slydell]

Eric Mangini did something similar with the Jets in camp.  He had a boxing coach come in I believe.  Not sure what dividends it reaped though.

[HogFanatic]

Rex Kwon Do is the logical choice. Do you think anyone thinks that Bret is a failure because he goes home to Starla every night? Forget about it.

Do you think anyone wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys? Forget about it.

[HogFanatic]

Am I thinking of somewhere else, or wasn't this tried in Fayetteville before?

Oh really? Hmm
Seems every time I have a good idea I am a day late and a dollar short.

Story of my life.

[urkillnmesmalls]

Well...it certainly couldn't have hurt for Todd Day to have taken a boxing lesson or two prior to his attempt to slap Larry Johnson.   

[HogFanatic]

Well...it certainly couldn't have hurt for Todd Day to have taken a boxing lesson or two prior to his attempt to slap Larry Johnson.   

HAHA!
That was hilarious. I gotta give him props for trying though. I doubt I would have had the balls to do it at all. Larry is a big 'ole boy.

[woodrow hog call]

Marcus Allen is or was into one of the Karate type training s, black belt I believe.
I think it would be great for the D line, to learn little ways of getting the hands of the O lineman off of them.
    Had a guy teach me a few basic moves, and basically said when someone tried to grab him, he would attack their arm in a way that he would stay free and clear while still going where he wanted to go.

[HogMantheIntruder]

I'm not sure about how much MMA would help (guess it couldn't hurt - too much), but a good straight up martial art, such as taekwondo or jiujitsu as was mentioned earlier may be better.  Improves flexibility, balance, body control. Also teaches discipline.

Ahh taekwondo-  the ballet of martial arts.  I think you're missing the OP's point.  Grappling is all about leveraging your and your opponents weight.  It's the chess of MMA, and it teaches you how to effectively move your opponent into a vulnerable spot.  I have thought this same thing for a while, especially for D-linemen who need to either slip by or move big bodies to make plays. 

[DeltaBoy]

I think coaches would be wise to "suggest" to their players to take a mixed martial arts class. Especially their linemen on both sides of the ball.

This or Ballet cause it improves your footwork.

[pillowhog]

The one drawback they would have to be careful with is weight loss.  I do Jiu-Jitsu myself, the amount of weight you can drop from grappling a few hours a week is unbelievable.  When I was 26, I was 40 lbs overweight.  I started Jiu-Jitsu and I stopped drinking soda.  Today I am 37 and I am 5 lbs under my ideal weight.

So your about 150?

[pillowhog]

HAHA!
That was hilarious. I gotta give him props for trying though. I doubt I would have had the balls to do it at all. Larry is a big 'ole boy.

Doesnt take balls in basketball when you know the fight is gonna get broke up immediately.  Hockey is a different story

[HogFanatic]

Doesnt take balls in basketball when you know the fight is gonna get broke up immediately.  Hockey is a different story

I don't think it would take Larry Johnson very long to smash someone's face in if he really wanted to.

[pillowhog]

Longer than 1 second.  Day swung and ran.  Took no balls.  Looked like a huge puss to me

[HogFanatic]

Longer than 1 second.  Day swung and ran.  Took no balls.  Looked like a huge puss to me

Yeah, you're right. He looked like a weinie, but I still doubt I would have swung on him. I would have posted him up in the game and threw an elbow into his gut. Haha
That way if he retaliates he gets ejected.

[pillowhog]

Yeah, you're right. He looked like a weinie, but I still doubt I would have swung on him. I would have posted him up in the game and threw an elbow into his gut. Haha
That way if he retaliates he gets ejected.

LOL sounds like an old school move you might have tried before

[HogFanatic]

LOL sounds like an old school move you might have tried before

Many times.
My favorite though is to post someone up and turn into them hard with a lowered shoulder while simultaneously stomping on their foot. Haha

[pillowhog]

Many times.
My favorite though is to post someone up and turn into them hard with a lowered shoulder while simultaneously stomping on their foot. Haha

#whiteboysavvy

[HogFanatic]

#whiteboysavvy

#get'erdone

[HogFanatic]

We used to play ball with this guy we called "Old School" cuz he was like 50 years old and used every dirty trick in the book. If you tried to post him up he would repeatedly knee you in the thigh or ass. At first it didn't hurt, but eventually, after about 50 knees to the ass it would hurt and you wouldn't post him up anymore. The old school moves work.

[fanofthehog]

So your about 150?

Pretty good guess!  I weigh about 155.

[pillowhog]

Pretty good guess!  I weigh about 155.

LOL

[1highhog]

The one drawback they would have to be careful with is weight loss.  I do Jiu-Jitsu myself, the amount of weight you can drop from grappling a few hours a week is unbelievable.  When I was 26, I was 40 lbs overweight.  I started Jiu-Jitsu and I stopped drinking soda.  Today I am 37 and I am 5 lbs under my ideal weight.

When you stopped drinking soda that had more to do with it than anything, plus getting some form of exercise.  I'm 49, gave up drinking sodas and sweet tea about 3 years ago, without doing exercise at first.  I immediately started losing weight and lost 16 pounds, granted, I've never been fat, I'm 6'1", 192 currently, and when I started exercising, only 30 minutes a day, I'm now in better shape than I've ever been in, and all I do is some basic strength training along with isometric exercises.  Isometric exercises are not for everyone, I use them because I have severe arthritis, and my physical therapist had me start them years ago, even though isometric exercises don't effectively build strength they can help maintain muscle strength, so if anyone wants to get into great shape and maintain it, its a good form of exercise, and throw all that coke and sweet tea away.  Sweet tea was the hardest thing for me to ever give up, probably like a person having to give up cigarettes.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

I'm not sure about how much MMA would help (guess it couldn't hurt - too much), but a good straight up martial art, such as taekwondo or jiujitsu as was mentioned earlier may be better. Improves flexibility, balance, body control. Also teaches discipline.

This... +1

[Pork Twain]

I think coaches would be wise to "suggest" to their players to take a mixed martial arts class. Especially their linemen on both sides of the ball.

Rear-naked choke at the LOS.  Bam!!!

[COACHINTEXAS]

Actually, if we insist anything, it would be ballet

[HogFanatic]

Actually, if we insist anything, it would be ballet

Fine, don't take my advice.
haha

[Pork Twain]

Actually, if we insist anything, it would be ballet

I am going with Ash on this one.  I don't want our OL/DL to dance, I want them to grapple

[HogFanatic]

I am going with Ash on this one.  I don't want our OL/DL to dance, I want them to grapple

Really I am very surprised coaches don't do this. The benefits of a good grappling foundation for linemen, especially d-linemen, would be tremendous.