Stokes Declaring for NBA Draft

[TexArkHogFan]

Thank God.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24521687/tennessee-junior-jarnell-stokes-to-announce-hes-entering-nba-draft

[Hawg Red]

They won't have much outside of Robert Hubbs and Josh Richardson next season.

[azhog10]

Has Marquette hired their new coach yet? I could definitely see Martin bolting out of Tenner now.

[The_Iceman]

Has Marquette hired their new coach yet? I could definitely see Martin bolting out of Tenner now.

Yes.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10708664/marquette-hires-duke-assistant-steve-wojciechowski

[Brass Knob]

Has Marquette hired their new coach yet? I could definitely see Martin bolting out of Tenner now.

He "removed" his name about two days before they hired the Duke assistant...

[azhog10]

Yes.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10708664/marquette-hires-duke-assistant-steve-wojciechowski

Thanks for posting. I hadn't seen anything.

[SONofHAM]

Josh Ward ‏@Josh_Ward 34m

RT @ZacEllis: Interesting comments from outgoing Tennessee forward Jarnell Stokes, via @GrantRamey pic.twitter.com/GDcW5EneoV



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[popcornhog]

Josh Ward ‏@Josh_Ward 34m

RT @ZacEllis: Interesting comments from outgoing Tennessee forward Jarnell Stokes, via @GrantRamey pic.twitter.com/GDcW5EneoV

Yeah, it's complete crap that these kids don't make anything off of jersey sales.

I've always thought that it would be great if the kids could make money on licensing agreements, jersey sales, video game sales, and endorsements, but still keep them from being paid by schools or boosters.

[FelixJonesorDMAC?]

Josh Ward ‏@Josh_Ward 34m

RT @ZacEllis: Interesting comments from outgoing Tennessee forward Jarnell Stokes, via @GrantRamey pic.twitter.com/GDcW5EneoV

NCAA definitely doesn't need to pay salaries but they should allow players to have endorsement deals and profit off their jersey sales and use of likeness on video games.

[The_Iceman]

Yeah, it's complete crap that these kids don't make anything off of jersey sales.

I've always thought that it would be great if the kids could make money on licensing agreements, jersey sales, video game sales, and endorsements, but still keep them from being paid by schools or boosters.

NCAA: passes rule allow jersey sales

Booster: Hey kid, come to Bama, and we will buy 10,000 of your $50 jerseys.

[The Boar War]

Hard to eat at night at certain times?

Why do they expect us to believe these muscled up 250 lb + kids are starving?

[The_Iceman]

Josh Ward ‏@Josh_Ward 34m

RT @ZacEllis: Interesting comments from outgoing Tennessee forward Jarnell Stokes, via @GrantRamey pic.twitter.com/GDcW5EneoV

I actually wouldn't mind the NCAA allowing schools to provide cell phones for the student athletes. As much contact coaches have with players on their phones, it would be nice for schools to comp that for the players.

[The_Iceman]

Hard to eat at night at certain times?

Why do they expect us to believe these muscled up 250 lb + kids are starving?

And when they have unlimited meal plans at the university.

[azhog10]

I have a hard time believing a lot of this stuff. I played in college at a D2 School just outside of Grand Rapids MI. We had guys who had nothing before they came to college and next to nothing during college. They always had food, and even had money to go to the store and buy clothes and whatever other necessities they thought htey needed. In the summer they were paid for helping run camps and other odd ball jobs. I never saw things as bad as some of these athletes claim it is. Should they be compensated some, more than they are now. Sure! But IMO if you start paying them a "salary" then you might as well get rid of all athleteic scholarships and let them pay for their tuition and housing on their own. Then they will see the true value in their scholarship.

[popcornhog]

NCAA: passes rule allow jersey sales

Booster: Hey kid, come to Bama, and we will buy 10,000 of your $50 jerseys.

Which would be a pretty clear violation of such a rule.

[Smithian]

I have a hard time believing a lot of this stuff. I played in college at a D2 School just outside of Grand Rapids MI. We had guys who had nothing before they came to college and next to nothing during college. They always had food, and even had money to go to the store and buy clothes and whatever other necessities they thought htey needed. In the summer they were paid for helping run camps and other odd ball jobs. I never saw things as bad as some of these athletes claim it is. Should they be compensated some, more than they are now. Sure! But IMO if you start paying them a "salary" then you might as well get rid of all athleteic scholarships and let them pay for their tuition and housing on their own. Then they will see the true value in their scholarship.

My thoughts exactly.

[Fatty McGee]

I have a hard time believing a lot of this stuff. I played in college at a D2 School just outside of Grand Rapids MI. We had guys who had nothing before they came to college and next to nothing during college. They always had food, and even had money to go to the store and buy clothes and whatever other necessities they thought htey needed. In the summer they were paid for helping run camps and other odd ball jobs. I never saw things as bad as some of these athletes claim it is. Should they be compensated some, more than they are now. Sure! But IMO if you start paying them a "salary" then you might as well get rid of all athleteic scholarships and let them pay for their tuition and housing on their own. Then they will see the true value in their scholarship.

Why would you get rid of all athletic scholarships?  Those are cheap for the school.

[Breems]

Huge hit to Tennessee.

The #3 spot in the SEC next year is wide open. LSU and Arkansas seem like the realistic candidates, but LSU also lost a lot.

[Hawg Red]

Huge hit to Tennessee.

The #3 spot in the SEC next year is wide open. LSU and Arkansas seem like the realistic candidates, but LSU also lost a lot.

Can't count out Georgia. The only lost one player and bring back their top 5 scorers.

[Breems]

Can't count out Georgia. The only lost one player and bring back their top 5 scorers.

Oh yea, I forgot about them. If Fox can get the train rolling earlier, they'll probably be tough.

[The_Iceman]

Can't count out Georgia. The only lost one player and bring back their top 5 scorers.

Very true. I don't think they are a fluke team. They are a tough team.

[FaytownHog]

I have a hard time believing a lot of this stuff. I played in college at a D2 School just outside of Grand Rapids MI. We had guys who had nothing before they came to college and next to nothing during college. They always had food, and even had money to go to the store and buy clothes and whatever other necessities they thought htey needed. In the summer they were paid for helping run camps and other odd ball jobs. I never saw things as bad as some of these athletes claim it is. Should they be compensated some, more than they are now. Sure! But IMO if you start paying them a "salary" then you might as well get rid of all athleteic scholarships and let them pay for their tuition and housing on their own. Then they will see the true value in their scholarship.

And they still find enough money to go out and get trashed and arrested for DWI etc. What the kids need more than anything is budgeting classes and a reality check that they aren't in the league yet, but if they work hard enough and have enough talent then someday they CAN live that lifestyle. Truth is, a very high percentage of them aren't going pro and wouldn't have the hype or sport center highlight without playing for a university team.

[Fatty McGee]

And they still find enough money to go out and get trashed and arrested for DWI etc.

That's your evidence they've got enough money?  That they can afford a case of Nat Light?

[Henry Hogsome]

Huge hit to Tennessee.

The #3 spot in the SEC next year is wide open. LSU and Arkansas seem like the realistic candidates, but LSU also lost a lot.

Heck we could be preseason #1 team. Def top 2 team.

[-Blu]

I have a hard time believing a lot of this stuff. I played in college at a D2 School just outside of Grand Rapids MI. We had guys who had nothing before they came to college and next to nothing during college. They always had food, and even had money to go to the store and buy clothes and whatever other necessities they thought htey needed. In the summer they were paid for helping run camps and other odd ball jobs. I never saw things as bad as some of these athletes claim it is. Should they be compensated some, more than they are now. Sure! But IMO if you start paying them a "salary" then you might as well get rid of all athleteic scholarships and let them pay for their tuition and housing on their own. Then they will see the true value in their scholarship.

Well said, I think these guys sprinkle it on a bit.  It's not near as bad and tragic as they make it out to be.

When I was in college I had enough money to pay my own cell bill, my car note, and car insurance.  I had a scholarship that paid for all my tuition and books, plus I was also eligible for a little bit of money with FASFA, so my entire school was paid for and I got back around $1500 a semester. I had a full meal plan, and cafeteria stayed open until 6:30 pm.  And if I got hungry after that I had some a few lady friends that had apartments off campus that I would go over and they would cook something, or if that failed through, I'd go to Wendy's or McDonalds, and I'd get a 99 cent burger and 99 cent fry and be good to go.

Plus, I figured the salary I would get after I graduated and I took out a small student loan each semester, I took out about $1000 a semester.  So roughly I had about $2500 a semester to spend, with my loan and refund, and that was plenty of money to pay my bills, eat, go on dates, and go to parties. 

So, I'm confused on why these guys aren't eating.  They are D1 athletes, you mean to tell me they don't have enough "game" to get some girls to cook for them?  I lived in girls apartments and dorm rooms in college, and I'm just a regular dude.  And also, why don't they take out loans?  If your a D1 basketball player you can go somewhere and play professional ball and make good enough money to pay off your loans easily.  I'd take out like $2000 a semester if I was them and then just pay it off with my signing bonus.

[Ironhawg]

Has Marquette hired their new coach yet? I could definitely see Martin bolting out of Tenner now.

I would think that Marquette job might not be a bad gig.   It is a basketball only school and they seem to support the program.  They have had a couple of decent coaches through there: Al McGuire, Rick Majerus, Tom Crean, Buzz Williams.

[Adam Stokes]

Hard to eat at night at certain times?

Why do they expect us to believe these muscled up 250 lb + kids are starving?

Jabari Parker was on SportsNation and they asked him about that.  He said that universities are only allowed to provide two meals a day.  Not sure if that's how it works at all universities but at least that's how it was at Duke.  If that is the case I could see how they might go hungry if they didn't have the money for when they missed dinner going to a review or something along those lines.

[Breems]

Jabari Parker was on SportsNation and they asked him about that.  He said that universities are only allowed to provide two meals a day.  Not sure if that's how it works at all universities but at least that's how it was at Duke.  If that is the case I could see how they might go hungry if they didn't have the money for when they missed dinner going to a review or something along those lines.

I find it hard to believe that they are limited to 2. Most universities I've heard of do unlimited plans.

[BigSexyHog]

That 2 meals is BS . .

[Breems]

That 2 meals is BS . .

I was no Bill Gates and gained 60,000 lbs. my freshman year.

[ErieHog]

Heck we could be preseason #1 team. Def top 2 team.

We're not going to be picked ahead of two Final Four teams;  we'll be fortunate (though frequently) cited as the #3.

[root_hawg]

SEC should be wide open next year

[Gettin Hogwild]

Thank goodness! He is a beast.

[hvsupastar]

Stokes is a great player. But I'm a little surprised by him leaving. I'm not sure he is tall enough to play his style in the NBA

[OnTheHillHogFan]

Stokes is a great player. But I'm a little surprised by him leaving. I'm not sure he is tall enough to play his style in the NBA

He won't improve his draft stock any by coming back so it is a smart move.

[Hogs run wild]

Can these student athletes borrow money from the government to help pay for school? I mean I'm in grad school and can borrow $50K/semester if i needed to.

[Brass Knob]

Can these student athletes borrow money from the government to help pay for school? I mean I'm in grad school and can borrow $50K/semester if i needed to.

They can take out any type of loan they qualify for and they can also apply for pale grants.

[Hawg Red]

Stokes is a great player. But I'm a little surprised by him leaving. I'm not sure he is tall enough to play his style in the NBA

As GreenbrierHogFan stated, coming back for another year isn't going to make him any taller. He is what he is. If you aren't a 1st round pick, it really doesn't matter if you get drafted or not since there's no guaranteed money and little chance of making it even as a 2nd rounder.

Stokes could slim down, work on being more explosive and work on developing a reliable 15-foot jumper or a face-up move, but he'd still be a 2nd round pick at best. Might as well work on that all that get paid while doing it. He'd have to play the same role he has been for UT if he came back and that isn't going to help his draft stock. That's one thing people need to take into account when these kids decide to go pro. Sometimes leaving college really is the best move from a development standpoint because they can be in a situation where they're not utilized in a manner that is conducive to improving their draft stock (this reasoning was used by Zach LaVine and his family).

[jchill]

Well said, I think these guys sprinkle it on a bit.  It's not near as bad and tragic as they make it out to be.

When I was in college I had enough money to pay my own cell bill, my car note, and car insurance.  I had a scholarship that paid for all my tuition and books, plus I was also eligible for a little bit of money with FASFA, so my entire school was paid for and I got back around $1500 a semester. I had a full meal plan, and cafeteria stayed open until 6:30 pm.  And if I got hungry after that I had some a few lady friends that had apartments off campus that I would go over and they would cook something, or if that failed through, I'd go to Wendy's or McDonalds, and I'd get a 99 cent burger and 99 cent fry and be good to go.

Plus, I figured the salary I would get after I graduated and I took out a small student loan each semester, I took out about $1000 a semester.  So roughly I had about $2500 a semester to spend, with my loan and refund, and that was plenty of money to pay my bills, eat, go on dates, and go to parties. 

So, I'm confused on why these guys aren't eating.  They are D1 athletes, you mean to tell me they don't have enough "game" to get some girls to cook for them?  I lived in girls apartments and dorm rooms in college, and I'm just a regular dude.  And also, why don't they take out loans?  If your a D1 basketball player you can go somewhere and play professional ball and make good enough money to pay off your loans easily.  I'd take out like $2000 a semester if I was them and then just pay it off with my signing bonus.

I am sure there are some 28-30 year old sugar mamas that would die to take care of them...lol.

[jbcarol]

Jarnell Stokes ‏@JarnellStokes ·Apr 14
It's been good Knoxvegas

Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS ·Apr 15
That UT players seem to be publicly siding with Cuonzo Martin should tell you they didn't like the way their coach was treated.

Jarnell Stokes ‏@JarnellStokes ·Apr 15
@GaryParrishCBS agreed