NCAA Basketball Rule Changes up for discussion

[jbcarol]

•Reducing the number of timeouts.

•The reduction of the shot clock...

•Eliminating live-ball timeouts

•Changing the 10-second rule so that a team has ten seconds total to cross half court. Calling a timeout in the back court currently refreshes the clock.

There are a few other rules on the table — widening the lane, using the NBA's continuation rule, no scoring on charges — but those four are the big four that have been complained about the most.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/10/report-more-rules-changes-could-be-on-the-way-next-season

Games that are sometimes not fantastic finishes do drag on at the end. Put in a few 15-minute monitor reviews to change the clock from :4.1 to :4.3...

[bigredone]

Eliminating the live ball timeouts would be a huge boost to trapping teams such as Arkansas. Lowering the number of time outs would also.

That being said, I don't want the college game to look anything like the sorry state of the pro game. I will not waste my time watching NBA lite.

[Inhogswetrust]

•Reducing the number of timeouts.

•The reduction of the shot clock...

•Eliminating live-ball timeouts

•Changing the 10-second rule so that a team has ten seconds total to cross half court. Calling a timeout in the back court currently refreshes the clock.

There are a few other rules on the table — widening the lane, using the NBA's continuation rule, no scoring on charges — but those four are the big four that have been complained about the most.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/10/report-more-rules-changes-could-be-on-the-way-next-season

Games that are sometimes not fantastic finishes do drag on at the end. Put in a few 15-minute monitor reviews to change the clock from :4.1 to :4.3...

The worst rule in basketball is the tie ball alternating possession. I think it should be a turnover. 

[skinnypig]

They need to look at all the time spent checking monitors. As well as do away with all this flagrant 1 flagrant 2 BS. and anything to lower the number of timeouts, the college game has lost all its flow, due to too many fouls and too many time outs. i am tired of these so called good games that end 58-57 and the last minute of clock time takes 45 min in real time to play.

[The Hogfather]

Eliminating the live ball timeouts would be a huge boost to trapping teams such as Arkansas. Lowering the number of time outs would also.

This is what I was thinking!  I love these possible rule changes for the Hogs.  I'm not so sure about reducing the shot clock.  I'm not sure I want that for the college game.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Whatever they decide they have to slow down the pace of the game.  I'm thinking more timeouts, or the offense cannot score within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock.

[Hawg Red]

I'm in favor of the bullet points but not so much the other stuff like continuation, etc.

[nextlevel]

This is what I was thinking!  I love these possible rule changes for the Hogs.  I'm not so sure about reducing the shot clock.  I'm not sure I want that for the college game.

Plenty of teams wait until the final 10-15 seconds to run their sets, that is 20-25 seconds wasted outside of what it takes to get the ball up the court in today's game.

Even reducing the shot clock to 30 seconds like the women use would be a tremendous help to speeding the tempo up and increasing scoring (possibly, plenty of bad shooting teams out there).

Changing the 10 second back court rule would also aid in this, if some teams take 9 seconds before calling a TO, they are likely to take 8-9 more to get the ball across.

The rules are obviously in an attempt to reduce the strategy of valuing time of possession over scoring used by some coaches.

The number of reduced time outs should come at the cost of TV time outs, as of now they have what? 3 per half 6 total not counting half time. That should be reduced to 4 as TV can use a TO when a team calls one as well. That isn't going to happen because of the money involved, but today you basically have the coaches and TV with the same amount of TOs, way too many.

[Breems]

PLEASE get rid of timeouts!

[The Hogfather]

Even reducing the shot clock to 30 seconds like the women use would be a tremendous help to speeding the tempo up and increasing scoring (possibly, plenty of bad shooting teams out there).

I don't care a thing about artificially increasing scoring by forcing teams to shoot quicker.  I think the shot clock for college is fine where it is.

[nextlevel]

I don't care a thing about artificially increasing scoring by forcing teams to shoot quicker.  I think the shot clock for college is fine where it is.

That's fine.

Women's College Basketball uses a 30 clock.

The rest of the world uses a 24 clock.

I'm not a fan of the 24, 30 would be a good compromise as it will still allow teams to run offenses instead of poor sets on the college level.

[jry04]

Eliminating the live ball timeouts would be a huge boost to trapping teams such as Arkansas. Lowering the number of time outs would also.

That being said, I don't want the college game to look anything like the sorry state of the pro game. I will not waste my time watching NBA lite.

I bet you do. No matter what the rules are, you will still watch the game if you are a fan. You may complain a bunch, but you will still watch it.

Whatever they decide they have to slow down the pace of the game.  I'm thinking more timeouts, or the offense cannot score within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock.

I am going to assume this is a troll attempt?

[Brass Knob]

•Reducing the number of timeouts.

•The reduction of the shot clock...

•Eliminating live-ball timeouts

•Changing the 10-second rule so that a team has ten seconds total to cross half court. Calling a timeout in the back court currently refreshes the clock.

There are a few other rules on the table — widening the lane, using the NBA's continuation rule, no scoring on charges — but those four are the big four that have been complained about the most.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/10/report-more-rules-changes-could-be-on-the-way-next-season

Games that are sometimes not fantastic finishes do drag on at the end. Put in a few 15-minute monitor reviews to change the clock from :4.1 to :4.3...

Reducing the number of timeouts is desperately needed. You already have 4 built in, under 16, under 12, under 8, and under 4 TV timeouts. I am also in favor of reducing the shot clock to 28-30 seconds, 24 seems too low for college. The back court count needs to be changed. I do not know about not eliminating "live-ball timeouts". There The first couple would be positive steps IMO.

[azhog10]

The number of reduced time outs should come at the cost of TV time outs, as of now they have what? 3 per half 6 total not counting half time. That should be reduced to 4 as TV can use a TO when a team calls one as well. That isn't going to happen because of the money involved, but today you basically have the coaches and TV with the same amount of TOs, way too many.

You get 6 TO's a game. If you don't use one in the first half you lose it. So you can only have 5 TO's going into the 2nd half.

[EastexHawg]

Do away with the strategy of being able to foul as a method of playing catch up.  Give the team that is fouled within the last two minutes the option of shooting two free throws OR shooting one free throw and taking the ball out of bounds...provided they are in the bonus or it's a shooting foul, of course.

It's ridiculous that the team that is trailing is allowed to dictate how the team that is leading will run its offense.  In football you're not allowed to commit a defensive penalty to make the offense attempt a field goal and then kick the ball back to you.

[nextlevel]

Some coaches will foul when up by 3 with seconds left to prevent the opportunity for the opponent to hit a 3 and tie, instead have to settle for 2 at the line or 1 and a rebounding opportunity.

Both are legit strategies in the game and should not be taken away.

This is not football.

[jry04]

No, just concerned about player safety.

Ahh, ok. You hate Bielema so you made an attempt to derail a thread to fit your agenda. My mistake, carry on.

[colbs]

No, just concerned about player safety.

Basketball and football are not good comparisons.  In basketball there are dead ball situations and the defense can actually substitute.  Unlike football were the defense can only sub if the offense does.

[Kevin]

fewer timeouts
1 20
1 full
each half

[azhog10]

Some coaches will foul when up by 3 with seconds left to prevent the opportunity for the opponent to hit a 3 and tie, instead have to settle for 2 at the line or 1 and a rebounding opportunity.

Both are legit strategies in the game and should not be taken away.

This is not football.

I use this strategy when I'm coaching high school basketball. The fact very few coaches like this method is beyond me. The probability of having to make the first free throw and then miss the 2nd one and get the rebound and score is much lower than being able to hit a three to tie.

[Fatty McGee]

No, just concerned about player safety.

Awesome.

[Fatty McGee]

That being said, I don't want the college game to look anything like the sorry state of the pro game. I will not waste my time watching NBA lite.

Pro game is better than ever.  Just the regular season needs to be shortened.

[Brass Knob]

I use this strategy when I'm coaching high school basketball. The fact very few coaches like this method is beyond me. The probability of having to make the first free throw and then miss the 2nd one and get the rebound and score is much lower than being able to hit a three to tie.

Seems like it should be but there have been "studies" that show it actually comes out pretty even in the end. Obviously, the closer to 0 the clock gets the better your chances of winning gets by fouling in place of letting them attempt a three. Memphis fans talk about it all the time, since Cal did not have his team foul Chalmers at the end of the NC game...

[nextlevel]

I use this strategy when I'm coaching high school basketball. The fact very few coaches like this method is beyond me. The probability of having to make the first free throw and then miss the 2nd one and get the rebound and score is much lower than being able to hit a three to tie.

Depends on the situation, time left in the game, opposition.

Just as there isn't really a set rule on when you start to foul when behind in a game, I watched one where the team was beat, but started to foul with 4 minutes left in the game, their opponent allowed them back into the game via missed free throws.

[Brass Knob]

Pro game is better than ever.  Just the regular season needs to be shortened.

I think some people just have a hard time understanding how freakishly strong, fast, athletic, and skilled professional basketball players are. I watch it a lot and they play defense, it is just hard, even impossible at times, to stop some of these guys and teams when they get rolling. There are the occasional possessions and games that teams "take off", but far and away the NBA is a good product.

[nextlevel]

Pro game is better than ever. 

Highly debatable.

[Brass Knob]

Depends on the situation, time left in the game, opposition.

Just as there isn't really a set rule on when you start to foul when behind in a game, I watched one where the team was beat, but started to foul with 4 minutes left in the game, their opponent allowed them back into the game via missed free throws.

You talking about St. Louis vs. NC State? I wanted to vomit when SL started fouling that early and was laughing at them because of the lead. Apparently, the joke was on me since they came back and won.

[Fatty McGee]

Highly debatable.

Not really.  More depth and quality players than in a long, long time. 

[Fatty McGee]

I think some people just have a hard time understanding how freakishly strong, fast, athletic, and skilled professional basketball players are. I watch it a lot and they play defense, it is just hard, even impossible at times, to stop some of these guys and teams when they get rolling. There are the occasional possessions and games that teams "take off", but far and away the NBA is a good product.

I agree.  And their size is hard to appreciate unless you go see them live and sit close.  It's amazing men that large can move like that.

[nextlevel]

I think some people just have a hard time understanding how freakishly strong, fast, athletic, and skilled professional basketball players are. I watch it a lot and they play defense, it is just hard, even impossible at times, to stop some of these guys and teams when they get rolling. There are the occasional possessions and games that teams "take off", but far and away the NBA is a good product.

It depends on what the viewer values in what they see.

The NBA has athletes, no debate, some would prefer to see more "teams".

You can find people who think the NFL is on a downhill slide because of it being a primarily passing league now, the run game importance/production is steadily diminishing. People who value strong run games towards their entertainment and satisfaction will not approve of all the passing.

TV ratings and fan discussion will be the best indicator of actual approval of the audiences. Generally, unless some stat driven topic (points scored, x amount of points scored per game streak, Sixers losing streak, Spurs winning streak, etc.) there isn't near the debate discussion for the NBA as there is for the NFL until the playoffs for the NBA. Teams with losing records making the NBA playoffs doesn't lead to the belief that it is at an all time high either.

[nextlevel]

You talking about St. Louis vs. NC State? I wanted to vomit when SL started fouling that early and was laughing at them because of the lead. Apparently, the joke was on me since they came back and won.

Yes, the irony (not really irony, but work with me here) is that it happened to NC State for them too lose when it was Jimmy V at NC State who first starting use the fouling strategy to create wins.

[The real Hogules]

If the player shooting the ball releases it "prior to" the charge I see no reason that the basket shouldn't count.

That's the only proposed rule change that you mentioned that I'm against.

[Fatty McGee]

It depends on what the viewer values in what they see.

The NBA has athletes, no debate, some would prefer to see more "teams".

You'll see more teamwork in the NBA than in college.  Just with different goals to get different kinds of shots.

TV ratings and fan discussion will be the best indicator of actual approval of the audiences. Generally, unless some stat driven topic (points scored, x amount of points scored per game streak, Sixers losing streak, Spurs winning streak, etc.) there isn't near the debate discussion for the NBA as there is for the NFL until the playoffs for the NBA. Teams with losing records making the NBA playoffs doesn't lead to the belief that it is at an all time high either.

That's due to the number of games.  The games matter more in the NFL because there are so few of them. 

[bigredone]

You'll see more teamwork in the NBA than in college.  Just with different goals to get different kinds of shots.

The NBA gives too much to the stars. I honestly gave up on about the time Bird and Magic left the game. Even they got away with running half the court without dribbling with no travel call. Bird and Magic both made the players around them better.

And anyone that thinks that Shaq was a basketball player never paid attention to a real game of basketball. If they had called offensive fouls fairly he would have never made it through a single half. Shaq was a terrific athlete but he was not a basketball player.

The NBA is about letting the stars do whatever they want. If someone decides to play defense (Patrick Beverly) they are considered a thug.

The only pro sport I give a hoot about anymore is baseball, and I even prefer minor league there because they seem to have something left to prove.

[Fatty McGee]

The NBA gives too much to the stars. I honestly gave up on about the time Bird and Magic left the game. Even they got away with running half the court without dribbling with no travel call. Bird and Magic both made the players around them better.

And anyone that thinks that Shaq was a basketball player never paid attention to a real game of basketball. If they had called offensive fouls fairly he would have never made it through a single half. Shaq was a terrific athlete but he was not a basketball player.

The NBA is about letting the stars do whatever they want. If someone decides to play defense (Patrick Beverly) they are considered a thug.

The only pro sport I give a hoot about anymore is baseball, and I even prefer minor league there because they seem to have something left to prove.

You really, really need to watch the playoffs.  At least the Western Conference.  If you haven't watched in 20 years, you're missing out.

[The_Iceman]

Timeouts have to be addressed. A game can go into the second half with potentially 14 clock stoppage points (4 TV, 5 coach TO's on each side).

That's way too many.

[Brass Knob]

Timeouts have to be addressed. A game can go into the second half with potentially 14 clock stoppage points (4 TV, 5 coach TO's on each side).

That's way too many.

In 20 minutes of play... That is absurd.

[Brass Knob]

The NBA gives too much to the stars. I honestly gave up on about the time Bird and Magic left the game. Even they got away with running half the court without dribbling with no travel call. Bird and Magic both made the players around them better.

And anyone that thinks that Shaq was a basketball player never paid attention to a real game of basketball. If they had called offensive fouls fairly he would have never made it through a single half. Shaq was a terrific athlete but he was not a basketball player.

The NBA is about letting the stars do whatever they want. If someone decides to play defense (Patrick Beverly) they are considered a thug.

The only pro sport I give a hoot about anymore is baseball, and I even prefer minor league there because they seem to have something left to prove.

Ugh...
NBA rookie of year
NBA all rookie team
15 time all star with 3 all star game MVP awards
NBA first team 8 times
NBA scoring leader 2 times
NBA regular season MVP 1 time
4 NBA championship rings and 3 Finals MVP awards

Ya, he was just a great athlete but not a basketball player, just like Lebron James...

[Jek Tono Porkins]

They have to do something about fouling at the end of the game. I think they should make those fouls flagrant fouls. The Georgia/arkansas game was a pain in the ass because of all the fouls at the end. What's the difference between intentionally fouling someone to prevent them from scoring a basket and intentionally fouling someone to prevent them from running out the clock? That's the worst part of the game by far.

[Danny J]

•Reducing the number of timeouts.

•The reduction of the shot clock...

•Eliminating live-ball timeouts

•Changing the 10-second rule so that a team has ten seconds total to cross half court. Calling a timeout in the back court currently refreshes the clock.

There are a few other rules on the table — widening the lane, using the NBA's continuation rule, no scoring on charges — but those four are the big four that have been complained about the most.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/10/report-more-rules-changes-could-be-on-the-way-next-season

Games that are sometimes not fantastic finishes do drag on at the end. Put in a few 15-minute monitor reviews to change the clock from :4.1 to :4.3...

I hope they do all 4 of those things.

[choppedporkextrasauce]

The pro game is so hard to watch.

I'd like the 10 second rule reduced to 8 with no resets.
I'd also like them to fix the charge/block call but that's like asking for world peace and the winning lottery ticket.  I'm still freaked out they changed the call on Fred Gulley correctly in the Cal game.
It would be nice if they shortened the time clock to 30 or 28 seconds.
After this disastrous season they need to de-emphasize the hand checks. It made the game longer and more about free throw shooting skill. Seriously they are beating the living hell out of each other inside and a light touch 25 feet from the bucket gets a quick whistle.

[nextlevel]

They have to do something about fouling at the end of the game. I think they should make those fouls flagrant fouls. The Georgia/arkansas game was a pain in the ass because of all the fouls at the end. What's the difference between intentionally fouling someone to prevent them from scoring a basket and intentionally fouling someone to prevent them from running out the clock? That's the worst part of the game by far.

Absolutely not, doing so would devalue one of the most important fundamentals in basketball, free throwing shooting.

Most games are won or lost on the line.

[root_hawg]

Speed up the shot clock

[EastexHawg]

Absolutely not, doing so would devalue one of the most important fundamentals in basketball, free throwing shooting.

Most games are won or lost on the line.

A foul is supposed to be a penalty.  The way the rules work now, it's not.  Give the team that is fouled the option of shooting two or one plus the ball.   Free throw shooting will still be an important fundamental and the last two minutes of games won't last 20-30 minutes.

[hvsupastar]

One thing I would like to see changed is, if the game is stopped for a monitor review,  teams should not be able to treat it like a timeout. Currently players are all at their own bench and coaches are doing some coaching.

[Ironhawg]

If they shorten the shot clock I hope they go no lower than 30 seconds.  The 24 in the NBA is just too short.  I hope they reduce the timeouts too.

[GuvHog]

Ugh...
NBA rookie of year
NBA all rookie team
15 time all star with 3 all star game MVP awards
NBA first team 8 times
NBA scoring leader 2 times
NBA regular season MVP 1 time
4 NBA championship rings and 3 Finals MVP awards

Ya, he was just a great athlete but not a basketball player, just like Lebron James...

Pull up some video's of Kareem Adul Jabbar (spelling?) and Akeem "the Dream" Olajuan, THEN you will see what Big men who really were Great basketball players looked like. IMHO either one in their prime would have schooled Shaq and any of todays NBA big men.

I like three of those four rule changes, in particular the 10 second rule change. I've always believed that allowing a team to call a time out to prevent a 10 second violation and then the refs starting the count all over is wrong.

3 timeouts per half to be used as either 20 second or full time outs at the HC discretion.

Leave the shot clock alone.

[azhog10]

Depends on the situation, time left in the game, opposition.

Just as there isn't really a set rule on when you start to foul when behind in a game, I watched one where the team was beat, but started to foul with 4 minutes left in the game, their opponent allowed them back into the game via missed free throws.

well obviously I'm not talking about doing it with 5 secs left. I have my guys foul with 2 secs left. In high school the person working the clock is normally a little slow so we can usually get the free throws with 1 sec left. Missing a free throw and getting the rebound and shot with 1 sec is highly unlikely. Some say odds are reall pretty much even. I would disagree. I've seen numerous threes to tie at the end of regulation. I have maybe seen only one successful miss and tip in. They aren't that close at all.

[bigredone]

Pull up some video's of Kareem Adul Jabbar (spelling?) and Akeem "the Dream" Olajuan, THEN you will see what Big men who really were Great basketball players looked like. IMHO either one in their prime would have schooled Shaq and any of todays NBA big men.

I like three of those four rule changes, in particular the 10 second rule change. I've always believed that allowing a team to call a time out to prevent a 10 second violation and then the refs starting the count all over is wrong.

3 timeouts per half to be used as either 20 second or full time outs at the HC discretion.

Leave the shot clock alone.

A lot of agreement from me.

I want the shot clock left alone because it does allow the teams that want a half court offense to run it. I will not watch the NBA and don't want to lose college basketball to the same rule.

I can understand making changes to the lane to fit the international game although I think it is not needed.

The 10 second rule I am not really worried about either way.

I like the dead ball time out rule after thinking about it more. It would not only help the trapping defenses, it should help any good defensive team.

We definitely need a limit on timeouts during a game. If needed make halftime a minute longer to accommodate more commercials.

I like the free throw rules as they are. If a team cannot hit free throws at the end of the game they don't deserve to win.

Off topic again, what basketball skills did Shaq demonstrate? Free throw shooting? LOL. Jump shooting? That's a laugh. He was a great ball handler, right? His skill was that he was massive enough to knock people out of the lane and get a dunk. Most people that do that get called for an offensive foul. And he was always upset when anyone laid a hand on him, remember the cries about "hack a Shaq"?

I will stick with college basketball as long as it remains about the teams and not individual players. Turn it into NBA lite and I am done with it.

[PorkerOinker]

The worst rule in basketball is the tie ball alternating possession. I think it should be a turnover. 

I think the NBA gets this one right, have the two player involved jump it just like in the NBA. I don't like it being a turnover, because both people have possesion.