So let me get this straight?

[checkraiser88]

We pretty much replaced Wagner for Hannahs and people are still complaining? Lol what is wrong with some of you people?

[TomBigBeeHog]

We pretty munch replaced Wagner for Hannahs and people are still complaining? Lol what is wrong with some of you people?

I know it sounds counterintuitive but some aren't happy unless they are complaining.

[The_Bionic_Pig]

He might be a good role player, but he is likely going to have to sit out a year, and his stats are pretty similar to guys we already have on the team. And, is he can't play D, he will end up sitting alot like Bell.

When Bell is on Mike leaves him in until he's gassed.  I'd imagine the same would apply to Hannahs.

[The_Iceman]

Hannahs will produce more in the next two years than Wagner would have, even if Hannahs sits out next year. I take that as a positive.

[hogsanity]

I wonder, if he was not an instate player, if people would be so excited about his transferring in to play in 2015/16 and 16/17

[azhog10]

People aren't really complaining about getting Hannahs. They are just complaining bc they don't like the coach. Before the news on Hannahs was announced, there was a ton of folks saying we should get him because he is better than Wagner and he can shoot. Now that we got him, folks are complaining bc he will have to sit out a year and he doesn't add anything more than what Haydar did for this team. So they say Haydar was a walk-on therefore we are getting walk-on material. However they refuse to acknowledge that Haydar would have been on scholarship if needed. But he's a freak genius and was on an academic scholarship that allowed the basketball team to use that scholly elsewhere. So we label him a walk-on because it makes CMA sound more inept as a coach and recruiter since we have a "walk-on" playing a decent amount of minutes for a coach who has been here for 3 years.......

Typical hogville logic.

[pigture perfect]

I look at his year hiatus as a positive. That gives him a full year to learn this system and get into shape. Add in the fact that he will also be a year stronger and smarter, who knows what kind of player he will become.

[MatCauthon]

Some of us would have preferred to replace a player who had a better chance of getting splinters from sitting on the bench, than he did of incurring an injury from actual game time participation with someone who could contribute THIS FALL.

What we got was an unknown that won't even see the floor for more than a year.

I'm not unhappy with CMA's decision, but it is a little bit puzzling as to why Hannahs, when he is ineligible this Fall and isn't exactly a scoring machine, nor a defensive whiz.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that some players are worth the wait, while some simply are not.

Wagner would never be in a game unless it's a blowout

[donkey]

I would have personally preferred that we use the scholarship on Henry.  Of course, I liked Tory Miller over Thompson as well. 

But, as some have pointed out.  This is a net positive.  Hannahs and Bell are pretty interchangeable, IMO.  They won't be on the floor at the same time very much due to their defensive limitations, but you can always use a shooter in a system like this one.  Wagner wasn't going to contribute at all and was taking a scholarship.  Hannahs won't play next year, but will give us 2 years of 7+ points a game and has potential to change games with his outside shooting. 

[WilsonHog]

I wonder, if he was not an instate player, if people would be so excited about his transferring in to play in 2015/16 and 16/17

I'll answer.

If Hannahs had averaged 0.6 points per game the last two years and was from Anchorage, Alaska, I would have said the same thing I did last night:

"Welcome to our program. Glad you're a Razorback."

[nextlevel]

I would have personally preferred that we use the scholarship on Henry.  Of course, I liked Tory Miller over Thompson as well. 

But, as some have pointed out.  This is a net positive.  Hannahs and Bell are pretty interchangeable, IMO.  They won't be on the floor at the same time very much due to their defensive limitations, but you can always use a shooter in a system like this one.  Wagner wasn't going to contribute at all and was taking a scholarship.  Hannahs won't play next year, but will give us 2 years of 7+ points a game and has potential to change games with his outside shooting. 

They already added two good shooting guards in Beard and Babb, Durahm is TBD.

They are in on good shooting guards in next year's class who will be eligible at the same time as Hannahs.

I would like to have seen another forward signed as good as Atwood (for example) as it would decrease the need for Williams and Thompson's development in to contributors on next year's team.

[Biggus Piggus]

He might be a good role player, but he is likely going to have to sit out a year, and his stats are pretty similar to guys we already have on the team. And, is he can't play D, he will end up sitting alot like Bell.

His stats are not similar to anyone on the team. Where do you get that?

[Hawg Red]

It's a net positive.

Wagner played 37 minutes all season -- so he basically almost 1 whole game. Hannahs sitting out is almost the equivalent since all of Wagner's playing time and production came when those games were already well-decided. However, when Hannahs is eligible, he will be in the rotation and gives us another shooter. No one is claiming he's Rotnei Clarke or Pat Bradley, but he can shoot the 3 ball at a pretty good clip.

Also, we have no idea if there will be any other departures or not. It's entirely possible that a forward could bounce, making room for Henry. I trust what the staff is doing here. The only recruit that they've ever gone after that I didn't like was Trey Thompson, but even then, I understand why they HAD TO lock him up. I have no problem with the kind of players the staff is bringing in. We'll start getting more elite talent when we start Dancing, and we're close. We had enough talent to do that this season but we came up a little short.

[MB Hog]

I know it sounds counterintuitive but some aren't happy unless they are complaining.

Counterintuitive - Is that where the guy working at McDonald's knows what I am going to order before I tell him?  :-)

[latrops]

He might be a good role player, but he is likely going to have to sit out a year, and his stats are pretty similar to guys we already have on the team. And, is he can't play D, he will end up sitting alot like Bell. E

Bell sat so much because he struggled in doi g the one thing he was supposed to be good at...perimeter shooting.  He finally started hitting shots late in the season.  With FG3, Wade, and Kikko gone Bell should get 20 plus minutes a game if he continues to shoot better.

[MB Hog]

People aren't really complaining about getting Hannahs. They are just complaining bc they don't like the coach. Before the news on Hannahs was announced, there was a ton of folks saying we should get him because he is better than Wagner and he can shoot. Now that we got him, folks are complaining bc he will have to sit out a year and he doesn't add anything more than what Haydar did for this team. So they say Haydar was a walk-on therefore we are getting walk-on material. However they refuse to acknowledge that Haydar would have been on scholarship if needed. But he's a freak genius and was on an academic scholarship that allowed the basketball team to use that scholly elsewhere. So we label him a walk-on because it makes CMA sound more inept as a coach and recruiter since we have a "walk-on" playing a decent amount of minutes for a coach who has been here for 3 years.......

Typical hogville logic.

Hannahs is also 6'4" so it will be easier for him to pull the trigger on the 3s.

[Big Nasty 34]

At least when bell is going through one of his off streaks we'll have another guy that could be on to fill it up and vice versa. And we'll see a handful of nights at home where they're both on and hit about 5 a piece. That'll be sweet to see.

[The Boar War]

At least when bell is going through one of his off streaks we'll have another guy that could be on to fill it up and vice versa. And we'll see a handful of nights at home where they're both on and hit about 5 a piece. That'll be sweet to see.

Agreed.  If Bell wasn't hitting the opposing team just fell back into a zone and we fell apart.  If either Bell or Hannah is on it opens up the offense.

With all his talk of athletes I'm glad Mike sees the need for shooters.

[mhuff]

I know it sounds counterintuitive but some aren't happy unless they are complaining.

We haven't replaced sqat. Hannah will not be here for two years. I just don't think it was a wise decision to give a scholarship to someone that is not a player we recruited in the first place. There will be much better players available in that class. Sure I am glad the young man will get his opportunity. But, I want us to get the very best players we can. Do you all not want that? Just a matter of opinion.

[Hogberry Snortcake]

We haven't replaced sqat. Hannah will not be here for two years. I just don't think it was a wise decision to give a scholarship to someone that is not a player we recruited in the first place. There will be much better players available in that class. Sure I am glad the young man will get his opportunity. But, I want us to get the very best players we can. Do you all not want that? Just a matter of opinion.

Not to state the obvious, but apparently he is the best player we can get. 

[GlassofSwine]

Not to state the obvious, but apparently he is the best player we can get.

Yeah, Kentucky type recruiting classes are not coming to Arkansas. Hannah won't be asked to be a superstar when he gets here, he will be asked to come off the bench and deliver some scoring. When he is cold and not playing well, he will probably sit on the bench but I would bet that there will be at a handful of games a year where he is a major contributor.

[Big Nasty 34]

Having 2 decent outside shooting threats will lessen the time teams play zone against us. That will in turn open up our offense and allow us to decrease those horrendous scoring lulls we always have.

[Hawg Red]

Bringing in Hannahs doesn't change the plan for recruiting in 2015 -- where the staff is targeting big-time guard prospects like King McClure, KeVaughn Allen, Jimmy Whitt, and and Admon Gilder. These are all impact players. I'm sure they'll be looking at some forwards as well.

[mhuff]

Hogberry, we can get better. Plus , I am trying to figure out when he is going to play. There will be two or three better 3 point shooters on the team. Is he a defensive specialist. Is he a great PG who can distribute the ball? This is just an opinion on getting the best bang for your buck. We just had players that sat the bench. Why do we want to give out scholarships for 3 point shooters when we will have better? He may have 3 or 4 good games a year. That's about what our 3 point specialist had this year. Do you want people shooting 3's that hit in the 20's or low thirties ,or the two that we are getting in that shot 43%?

[jry04]

He might be a good role player, but he is likely going to have to sit out a year, and his stats are pretty similar to guys we already have on the team. And, is he can't play D, he will end up sitting alot like Bell.

Big 12 competition>SEC competition

[Big Nasty 34]

Mhuff, who will those better 3 point shooters be?

[k.c.hawg]

We have a helluva problem locating and defending spot up shooters on the break and in half court. In the year Hannahs sits out he will mature, get stronger, work on his game and give us a look in practice that we need to learn to defend better.

[Big Nasty 34]

Very nice point KC. Especially since he will be relegated to playing the role of opposing players.

[Porkatarian]

Bringing in Hannahs doesn't change the plan for recruiting in 2015 -- where the staff is targeting big-time guard prospects like King McClure, KeVaughn Allen, Jimmy Whitt, and and Admon Gilder. These are all impact players. I'm sure they'll be looking at some forwards as well.

It looks like we'll get one of those four.  Coach A knows what he's doing.


Porkatarian out...

[Porkatarian]

Hogberry, we can get better. Plus , I am trying to figure out when he is going to play. There will be two or three better 3 point shooters on the team. Is he a defensive specialist. Is he a great PG who can distribute the ball? This is just an opinion on getting the best bang for your buck. We just had players that sat the bench. Why do we want to give out scholarships for 3 point shooters when we will have better? He may have 3 or 4 good games a year. That's about what our 3 point specialist had this year. Do you want people shooting 3's that hit in the 20's or low thirties ,or the two that we are getting in that shot 43%?

Who are the 2 or 3 better 3 point shooters on the team?

Also, DH is a much better athlete than many uninformed posters are giving him credit for.


Porkatarian out...

[azhog10]

It looks like we'll get one of those four.  Coach A knows what he's doing.


Porkatarian out...

I have a strong belief we get more than one of those four.....Whitt is the guy most everyone knows or has a strong feeling about. There are two more on that list that we are very much in the running for.

[hawg IQ]

Counterintuitive - Is that where the guy working at McDonald's knows what I am going to order before I tell him?  :-)

Only if you are ordering from the counter can intuitive actually come in to play. For example if you were in the drive through, thus it would be drive through intuitive, even though....the guys probably using a camera and some kind of intercom to enhance the intuitive part... wow that's been cleared up !

[CDBHawg]

I wonder, if he was not an instate player, if people would be so excited about his transferring in to play in 2015/16 and 16/17

Keaton Miles.

[mhuff]

We aren't looking for anything more than Hayder-type minutes from him, so....

Hawg, why not get the best player possible. If we recruit well next year, there are a ton of 5* and 4* players available that we are on. Why duplicate with a lesser player? I just don't think it is a responsible move. Are we going to get back to the top with lesser players? He would have been a good walk on. We don't all have to have the same opinion. I just play to win. We will have plenty of shooters. I will go try to get his total stats and see the full story. Regardless, I am not the coach.... Maybe CMA can sign another Scotty Pippins. I would vote for that.

[Hawg Red]

Hawg, why not get the best player possible. If we recruit well next year, there are a ton of 5* and 4* players available that we are on. Why duplicate with a lesser player? I just don't think it is a responsible move. Are we going to get back to the top with lesser players? He would have been a good walk on. We don't all have to have the same opinion. I just play to win. We will have plenty of shooters. I will go try to get his total stats and see the full story. Regardless, I am not the coach.... Maybe CMA can sign another Scotty Pippins. I would vote for that.

Dusty Hannahs will not get in the way of us landing a 4 or 5 star player in 2015, regardless of what scholarships are available. The numbers always work themselves out when top talent is involved.

As for this year, there really wasn't anyone better available, unless you count Shane Henry (who no one his forum has even seen play).

[TheRazorbackGuy]

Dusty Hannahs will not get in the way of us landing a 4 or 5 star player in 2015, regardless of what scholarships are available. The numbers always work themselves out when top talent is involved.

As for this year, there really wasn't anyone better available, unless you count Shane Henry (who no one his forum has even seen play).

Brilliant Post +1 for sure

[k.c.hawg]

Hawg, why not get the best player possible. If we recruit well next year, there are a ton of 5* and 4* players available that we are on. Why duplicate with a lesser player? I just don't think it is a responsible move. Are we going to get back to the top with lesser players? He would have been a good walk on. We don't all have to have the same opinion. I just play to win. We will have plenty of shooters. I will go try to get his total stats and see the full story. Regardless, I am not the coach.... Maybe CMA can sign another Scotty Pippins. I would vote for that.

This is not college basketball of 15 years ago. Roster turnover is much more rapid than years ago. If you are passing on a player that can help your team to save roster spots for the future you will be left like many of these teams we see today sporting 7 scholarship players. Someone will leave next year that we do not expect to....someone may get dismissed mid season.....someone may decide they don't like the coach. He is a good shooter that was available and I'm glad we picked him up. He has put up some good lines against D1 competition in competitive games. I will take my chances with a guy that has played in one of the best leagues in the country and while inconsistent has shown that he belongs playing on that level.

Hannahs against West Virginia this year:  8-9 fg   7-7 3pt   2-2 ft  6 assists  25pts   33 min

[mhuff]

So let's talk about his stats. On 2 point shots ,he shot 37%.... which is not good. On 3p shots he shot 37% which is good in my book although we will have at least 2 or 3 maybe 4 players that will be better. His TO/A ratio was about 1.5 which is not good. He did rebound well avg. 4.6. He is also an excellent FT shooter 92%. He had one block for the season.

Now judge for yourself.

[Beaverfever]

Hogberry, we can get better. Plus , I am trying to figure out when he is going to play. There will be two or three better 3 point shooters on the team. Is he a defensive specialist. Is he a great PG who can distribute the ball? This is just an opinion on getting the best bang for your buck. We just had players that sat the bench. Why do we want to give out scholarships for 3 point shooters when we will have better? He may have 3 or 4 good games a year. That's about what our 3 point specialist had this year. Do you want people shooting 3's that hit in the 20's or low thirties ,or the two that we are getting in that shot 43%?

6-4 guys with decent athleticism who can shoot are the type of "Mike Anderson guys" people have been talking about him getting.  This guy was 60/65 from the stripe this year.  He got to the line way more than Bell playing in a much tougher conference. He'll also be 22 when he plays his first game.  It's too early to say what his ceiling is.  I think he's a very solid addition. 

[Pork Twain]

We pretty much replaced Wagner for Hannahs and people are still complaining? Lol what is wrong with some of you people?

This is Hogville

[k.c.hawg]

K.C we tend to remember the great games. I look at a season of effort. Bell was hot several games. He also shot 37% from the field on 2's and 33% on 3's. I would not want a player shooting that only hit 37% on 2 point shots. That is how you lose games. TT was 14-18. It is a team win or loss ,but something wasn't working. If you are going to rate a player, emotions can not enter into the analysis. My standards on shooting are higher than 37%. I like Hill ,but 37% won't cut it.

The best I can tell is we have one returning player (Madden) that can beat that number and he will be gone. A 37.5% 3 pt shooter is the equivalent of a 56% 2 pt shooter....I'll take it every time.

[Hawg Red]

So let's talk about his stats. On 2 point shots ,he shot 37%.... which is not good. On 3p shots he shot 37% which is good in my book although we will have at least 2 or 3 maybe 4 players that will be better. His TO/A ratio was about 1.5 which is not good. He did rebound well avg. 4.6. He is also an excellent FT shooter 92%. He had one block for the season.

Now judge for yourself.

You seem to be assuming his 3 point % is static. I think it's fair to reason that his shooting %s go up with better looks caused by better talent. But, I'll humor you -- Madden is a leading returning 3 point shooter at 40%. Next highest? Qualls at 35%. Dusty would be a top 2 3 point shooter, % wise, going into next season if he were to play next season.

[-Blu]

Bringing in Hannahs doesn't change the plan for recruiting in 2015 -- where the staff is targeting big-time guard prospects like King McClure, KeVaughn Allen, Jimmy Whitt, and and Admon Gilder. These are all impact players. I'm sure they'll be looking at some forwards as well.

^ This right here.

A lot of guys are looking at this the wrong way, thinking this is some how going to affect what we do in the 2015 class.  Realistically out of the 4 players you named, and I would add Donte Fitzpatrick to that list as well, we're going to land 2 at best.  The guys that are thinking we were going to land 4 or 5 of these elite guards in 2015 are going to be sadly mistaken, and are being unrealistic. 

As of right now we'll have 2 open scholarships for 2015.  And we'll have guys like Portis and Qualls that could possibly leave early for draft.  So you have to figure we'll probably end up with like 3 scholarships to give away in 2015.  You take 2 of those elite guards, and then go after an elite level forward if you can.  IMO that would be a VERY successful class, to go along with a team that will have 5 seniors going into the season.

[mhuff]

You seem to be assuming his 3 point % is static. I think it's fair to reason that his shooting %s go up with better looks caused by better talent. But, I'll humor you -- Madden is a leading returning 3 point shooter at 40%. Next highest? Qualls at 35%. Dusty would be a top 2 3 point shooter, % wise, going into next season if he were to play next season.

I know Babbs and Durham shot 43% on 3's. I believe Bell will shot better than the 33% he posted this year.

[mhuff]

^ This right here.

A lot of guys are looking at this the wrong way, thinking this is some how going to affect what we do in the 2015 class.  Realistically out of the 4 players you named, and I would add Donte Fitzpatrick to that list as well, we're going to land 2 at best.  The guys that are thinking we were going to land 4 or 5 of these elite guards in 2015 are going to be sadly mistaken, and are being unrealistic. 

As of right now we'll have 2 open scholarships for 2015.  And we'll have guys like Portis and Qualls that could possibly leave early for draft.  So you have to figure we'll probably end up with like 3 scholarships to give away in 2015.  You take 2 of those elite guards, and then go after an elite level forward if you can.  IMO that would be a VERY successful class, to go along with a team that will have 5 seniors going into the season.

  I believe we will get 2 to 3 guards out of that list. We will have other needs besides guards like you have stated..... especially if Qualls leaves early.

[blu]

Anyone who doesn't think CMA is getting the best players he can that will help his team be successful is nuts, no offense, and coach might just have a better grasp on what we need than anyone else. This is a great development, we get another Anthlon Bell type player - we sure could have used him this past year. Might have been the diff in one or two games - what would that have done to our post-season?

[AWHAWG]

He might be a good role player, but he is likely going to have to sit out a year, and his stats are pretty similar to guys we already have on the team. And, is he can't play D, he will end up sitting alot like Bell.

Ok, you are the coach. What do you do?

[Big Nasty 34]

Still waiting for those 2-3 guys that will shoot better from 3 than him.

[TT222]

I really believe Dusty is going to prove a lot of y'all wrong. I've seen how hard he has worked ever since he was young and I'm glad to see him finally get what he has always wanted, to be a Hog. Everyone says he's this huge defensive liability but I watched dang near every game he played this year and I wouldn't go that far. Coming out of high school yes, but now not so much. He is a solid shooter but he can take it to the basket as well. I look forward to him putting on that hog jersey in and taking the court after his redshirt season.

[blu]

Me too - go Dusty and go Hogs.