Best PG to play for Hogs

[downsouthhawg72]

I was switching cable company's today so out came the VHS tapes while they worked. So I'm wondering what everybody thought about who the best PG to play for the hogs. Lee Mayberry was good at almost everything when he had to be.

[bobcat ball]

Mayberry is the best I've seen.

Beck was another and he was just a gritty tough leader.

[LJHOG]

Ron "Boothaid" Brewer

[k.c.hawg]

I've been doing Razorback basketball since the Lanny Van Eman days and for a true point guard it is hands down Lee Mayberry.

3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio
43% 3 pt shooter
53% 2 Pt shooter
74% FT shooter
2 steals per game.

1940 points
729  assists
291  steals


I don't know how you could do it any better as a point guard. If we could have won a championship while he was here that would have put a neat little bow on it to make it clear to everyone. If you needed him to score he could hang up 35. He brought a calmness to frenetic paced basketball. Though I'm sure he had some ego it never stopped him from distributing the ball and running that offense as efficiently as humanly possible. A true joy to watch. At that time we traveled to almost every home, away and tournament games and I'm still thankful for every game I ever saw him play. One of my absolute all time favorite Razorbacks.

[tkclark]

I've been doing Razorback basketball since the Lanny Van Eman days and for a true point guard it is hands down Lee Mayberry.

3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio
43% 3 pt shooter
53% 2 Pt shooter
74% FT shooter
2 steals per game.

1940 points
729  assists
291  steals


I don't know how you could do it any better as a point guard. If we could have won a championship while he was here that would have put a neat little bow on it to make it clear to everyone. If you needed him to score he could hang up 35. He brought a calmness to frenetic paced basketball. Though I'm sure he had some ego it never stopped him from distributing the ball and running that offense as efficiently as humanly possible. A true joy to watch. At that time we traveled to almost every home, away and tournament games and I'm still thankful for every game I ever saw him play. One of my absolute all time favorite Razorbacks.

Couldn't agree more. Well said. +1

[Danny J]

Mayberry then Beck and for totally different reasons.

[AF74Razorback]

Lee Mayberry,   Corey Beck.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

This is a tough one because how do you measure "competitiveness" or that winning "X" factor.  I know this much, that team would not have won an NC and gone back to the final without Corey Beck.

1.  Lee Mayberry
2.  Corey Beck
3.  Allie Freeman/Kareem Reid (tied for 3rd)

[Wild Bill Hog]

Lee Mayberry followed by Corey Beck.

[blu]

Ron "Boothaid" Brewer

This guy plus Beck and Mayberry. All led Final Four or better teams.

[razorsharp94]

Not a coincidence that the consensus seems to be Mayberry then Beck and that happens to be the best two eras of Hog bball.

[porkinsons disease]

Mayberry

[root_hawg]

Who would you want for this team if you could pick one in their prime?  I am going Beck for his toughness which this team desperately needs

[hawgXi]

how bout mayberry in the "strollin with nolin" game in austin.

was that the best ever?

[bphi11ips]

I've been doing Razorback basketball since the Lanny Van Eman days and for a true point guard it is hands down Lee Mayberry.

3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio
43% 3 pt shooter
53% 2 Pt shooter
74% FT shooter
2 steals per game.

1940 points
729  assists
291  steals


I don't know how you could do it any better as a point guard. If we could have won a championship while he was here that would have put a neat little bow on it to make it clear to everyone. If you needed him to score he could hang up 35. He brought a calmness to frenetic paced basketball. Though I'm sure he had some ego it never stopped him from distributing the ball and running that offense as efficiently as humanly possible. A true joy to watch. At that time we traveled to almost every home, away and tournament games and I'm still thankful for every game I ever saw him play. One of my absolute all time favorite Razorbacks.

What he said.

[Dugann]

Mayberry and then beck

[acey33]

I've been doing Razorback basketball since the Lanny Van Eman days and for a true point guard it is hands down Lee Mayberry.

3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio
43% 3 pt shooter
53% 2 Pt shooter
74% FT shooter
2 steals per game.

1940 points
729  assists
291  steals


I don't know how you could do it any better as a point guard. If we could have won a championship while he was here that would have put a neat little bow on it to make it clear to everyone. If you needed him to score he could hang up 35. He brought a calmness to frenetic paced basketball. Though I'm sure he had some ego it never stopped him from distributing the ball and running that offense as efficiently as humanly possible. A true joy to watch. At that time we traveled to almost every home, away and tournament games and I'm still thankful for every game I ever saw him play. One of my absolute all time favorite Razorbacks.

Bingo...Beck would be my second choice

[hogsanity]

Mayberry was every bit as tough as Beck.  Great on ball defender, great instincts to disrupt the passing lanes, could simply shut down the opposing teams Pg for long stretches of the game.  Mayberry was the definition of a PG.

[hogfan10]

Who would you want for this team if you could pick one in their prime?  I am going Beck for his toughness which this team desperately needs

I would choose Mayberry, because he could score when needed. He could do everything, and he did everything very well.

[HogsonHicks]

I would choose Mayberry, because he could score when needed. He could do everything, and he did everything very well.

Although more of a combo guard, Alvin Robertson was a big time PG/SG that is too often overlooked, especially by younger fans. 

In the 83-84 season, he registered 15.5 ppg, 6 apg, and 2.9 spg.  He was also one of, if not the best defensive guards we've ever had on campus.  He went on to have an excellent NBA career as well.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

I've never considered Brewer (Sr., of triplets fame) to be a true point guard.  He was a natural shooting guard who was more or less forced to play the point at times because we didn't have a true point guard.  He handled his job well, but his forte was shooting that sweet jumper, posting up smaller guards on the baseline, and playing defense. 

I'd put him in the class of top 5 most talented all around players we've ever had.

Oh, and to answer the OP, Mayberry by a mile.

[dhornjr1]

Lee Mayberry is probably my favorite Hog of all time. Shot 50% from three-point range his sophomore year.

[secfan30]

how bout mayberry in the "strollin with nolin" game in austin.

was that the best ever?

This past weekend my father and me were talking about this game.

Mayberry then Beck.

Could use Mayberry now. His ability to hit the clutch shoot (like this Texas Game) could have been a difference in 3-5 games this year.

[thirrdegreetusker]

I've been doing Razorback basketball since the Lanny Van Eman days and for a true point guard it is hands down Lee Mayberry.

3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio
43% 3 pt shooter
53% 2 Pt shooter
74% FT shooter
2 steals per game.

1940 points
729  assists
291  steals


I don't know how you could do it any better as a point guard. If we could have won a championship while he was here that would have put a neat little bow on it to make it clear to everyone. If you needed him to score he could hang up 35. He brought a calmness to frenetic paced basketball. Though I'm sure he had some ego it never stopped him from distributing the ball and running that offense as efficiently as humanly possible. A true joy to watch. At that time we traveled to almost every home, away and tournament games and I'm still thankful for every game I ever saw him play. One of my absolute all time favorite Razorbacks.

Brewer Sr shot 56 from the field, 75 from the line....just sayin'

[thirrdegreetusker]

I've never considered Brewer (Sr., of triplets fame) to be a true point guard.  He was a natural shooting guard who was more or less forced to play the point at times because we didn't have a true point guard.

true

[thirrdegreetusker]

Not a coincidence that the consensus seems to be Mayberry then Beck and that happens to be the best two eras of Hog bball.

Brewer Sr's teams were 77-15....just sayin'

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

I believe the original question was who was the best PG.

If they only played PG at times, that's not a true PG

[hawkhawg]

Mayberry.  No Doubt.

[FelixJonesorDMAC?]

Mayberry by a mile and behind him Beck

[mhuff]

Mayberry is the best I've seen.

Beck was another and he was just a gritty tough leader.

[HogsonHicks]

Mayberry can be easily argued as the best PG we've had. No doubt.

It may not be a popular opinion, but Beck was a good PG that benefited from the surrounding talent.  Gritty, tough, and a great floor leader, but his numbers undermine the discussion of him being the best.  He's certainly behind Mayberry.

Actually, if you look at career assist leaders for the Hogs, Kareem Reid holds the single game (15), single season (219), and career (748) assist records at Arkansas.  He's also third in career steals (251).  You could make a legitimate argument for Reed being the 2nd best pure PG we've had.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Mayberry can be easily argued as the best PG we've had. No doubt.

It may not be a popular opinion, but Beck was a good PG that benefited from the surrounding talent.  Gritty, tough, and a great floor leader, but his numbers undermine the discussion of him being the best.  He's certainly behind Mayberry.

Actually, if you look at career assist leaders for the Hogs, Kareem Reid holds the single game (15), single season (219), and career (748) assist records at Arkansas.  He's also third in career steals (251).  You could make a legitimate argument for Reed being the 2nd best pure PG we've had.

The reason I have Beck 2nd before Reid is because he did the things that don't show up in stats:  Taking charges, getting lose balls, leadership,etc.  Reid may have more assists, but how many of those were in big games and/or assists at critical times in a game?

If I'm starting a team, I'm still taking Beck over Reid.  That's a no-brainer.

[Pork Twain]

Mayberry then Beck and for totally different reasons.

100% agree

[Hawg Red]

Mayberry, simply because he was my grandmother's favorite player in the '90s.

[hogsanity]

The reason I have Beck 2nd before Reid is because he did the things that don't show up in stats:  Taking charges, getting lose balls, leadership,etc.  Reid may have more assists, but how many of those were in big games and/or assists at critical times in a game?

If I'm starting a team, I'm still taking Beck over Reid.  That's a no-brainer.

Reid may have had the ugliest shot in the history of basketball.

[thirrdegreetusker]

IMHO........

The "greatest UA PG" discussion starts and ends with three names. Beck, Mayberry, and Brewer, Sr. No one else is even close.

The fact that Mayberry and Brewer sr may have been "true" shooting guards is irrelevant. They played the point at UA and did great.

Mayberry by a nose.

Brewer had the better pro career.

Beck was perfect for the team he was on.

Stats really don't tell the whole story, insofar as point guards. On defense, the 2 guard often gets steals because of the stuff the PG defender generates.

[tophawg19]

Arlyn BOWERS and Keith Wilson were also very good for us . Clint McDaniel might have been better had he not come in during the time we had so many good guards .

[jusgtohogs]

Brewer Sr's teams were 77-15....just sayin'

Yes, they were!  That said, Mayberry is the best PG I've seen as a Razorback.  Brewer, Delph and Moncrief each had the ability to take the team on their back, if needed.  And, during their careers, each of them did.

[Tejano Jawg]

Mayberry edges out Beck and Boot. Just can't deny his numbers. Wasn't spectacular, like U.S. Reed (let's not forget about him, and how he could work in the paint), but always got it done.

Plus, didn't Mayberry start every game in his 4-yr career?

[Locutus_of_Boar]

I've never considered Brewer (Sr., of triplets fame) to be a true point guard.  He was a natural shooting guard who was more or less forced to play the point at times because we didn't have a true point guard.  He handled his job well, but his forte was shooting that sweet jumper, posting up smaller guards on the baseline, and playing defense. 

I'd put him in the class of top 5 most talented all around players we've ever had.

Oh, and to answer the OP, Mayberry by a mile.

Well put.  Mayberry was the best all-round point guard talent.

But for holding a talented team in focus Beck was unmatched.

When it all came down to the last shot though Ron Brewer is the one you wanted on point.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

IMHO........

The fact that Mayberry and Brewer sr may have been "true" shooting guards is irrelevant. They played the point at UA and did great.

Did Ron play every game at the PG position?

It does matter. It wasn't "who was the best guard", it was "who was the best PG".

That's an entirely different conversation.

[forrest city joe]

In this order.

Mayberry
Beck
Arlyn Bowers

[WBOBO]

In this order.

Mayberry  (All this years team was missing)
Beck (my favorite of all time couldn't have won it without him)
Robertson  (tenacious defense and hell in transition)
Bowers (6 ft guard with 8ft arms and quick)

[High Octane Hog]

Lee Mayberry, what a player!

[PORKULATOR]

Lee Mayberry... great in all aspects
Corey Beck... different set of intangibles on that guy. All his rebounds underneath, the way he found where to be on the court.
Cortney Fortson could've been third, but he was a poor teammate at times and very self serving.

[dhornjr1]

Bowers (6 ft guard with 8ft arms and quick)

Truck's listed height was 5'10". So, you can figure he was closer to 5'8".

And yes, very quick and strong as a bull.

[yraciv]

I think the discussion is who is the 3rd best.  I'm not going to act like Brewer was a PG, he was a 2 guard that occasionally took the ball up.  I've got to say I put Kareem Reid at 3rd.  Ball handling, relentless defense, and ability to run an offense and get his teammates open shots. Sure his shot wasn't great and he couldn't board like Fortson or Beverley, but he was a leader out there and that is what I look for out of a PG.

[rusvegashog]

LEE MAYBERRY. I combine Beck and MCDaniel as one. Personally I was a McDaniel guy. Ill be honest Reid was so unorthodox that my eyes said that's too ugly I'm not sure this guys any good, drove me nuts, but to look back and see the numbers he put up. also In these minor league so to speak and these "and one" deals he played in KR can ball. My eyes were wrong. Was Beverly considered a point? He was the toughest best rebounding guard I had seen.Lee Mayberry Steve Nash are my two favorite players ever, but probably the best Pg in my lifetime in college was Chris Jackson at LSU.

[Suidae]

Willie Cutts

[FineAsSwine]

Chris Brunt?