Growing the Razorback brand; the GSD...Texas AD gets it why doesn't Jeff?

[hogsanity]

As for LR the money folks in LR and areas South , East and West need to all pony up the bucks to get WMS to 70,000 or build a Brand new one .

WHY? The Hogs are still only going to play twice a year there, even if they build a brand new 70K seat stadium. There was no point expanding DWRRS if they end goal was not to move all but maybe 1 game a year on campus.

[Hogarusa]

What team would want to go to Dubai and play the Longhorns?  Sounds like an awful idea

[hogsanity]

What team
would want to go to Dubai and play the Longhorns?  Sounds like an awful idea

a team that wants to get paid a GIGANTIC ton of money.

[EastexHawg]

  The only reason for this that I can think of is that they want to expand the TV market for The Longhorn Network. Seems like a reach though.

If they got 150 households around Mexico City that would double Longhorn Network subscriptions to date.

[TOM "tbw1"]

If they got 150 households around Mexico City that would double Longhorn Network subscriptions to date.

It is my understanding that the entire community of West Tawakoni has subscribed.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Is Texasss alienating it's fan base in west, north, south, or east Texas by not playing games off campus? I realize they play conference games in other parts of the state, but why aren't they playing in Texarkana, or Amarillo for those fans?

They do play OU in Dallas...

[cosmodrum]

My boy sauce! T-town clown!

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

I'd be fine if Texas played all their games in Mexico....hell go to Argentina for a few too.

Russia/Ukraine border,  would be a nice spot for a few games.  There would be lots of security there. The Longhorn network ratings would go up, probably be the only TV in the whole area.....of course the biggest drawback, would be getting out of there after the game....

[goodguytex]

Is Texasss alienating it's fan base in west, north, south, or east Texas by not playing games off campus? I realize they play conference games in other parts of the state, but why aren't they playing in Texarkana, or Amarillo for those fans?

Oh please don't suggest the whorns play in Texarkana... There are already more than enough of their arrogant ass fans here. Don't need the team too.

[rhames]

Some people just don't get the war memorial thing.



It's simple economics.


If you were running a multimillion dollar company would you still do something that the company was doing for over 50 years even if you were losing 2 million every time you did it?

[LZH]

We'll see if Texas plays games in those places. If they do I can promise they will not play in a 53,000 seat stadium and they will not lose money over playing those games away from DKR Memorial Stadium.

I like LR games and I wish the change weren't necessary. But unless some rich guy is willing to expand WMS to 75,000 and put money into a trust fund to operate and maintain WMS independent of revenues from Razorback games then it's not economically prudent to continue to play multiple games in LR.

If WMS held 75,000 and if Arkansas could collect all revenues from ticket sales, parking and concessions (like it does in Fayetteville) the situation would be different.

This is true.  But I'll say it one more time - kids down here in SE Ark are wearing LSU and Ole Miss and Alabama gear just as much as they are Razorback gear.  If that isn't an indicator of what's happening then I don't know what is.  Twenty years ago you would have NEVER seen that.

[Athog]

I didn't get that line of reasoning either.

Nobody does!! It is not well thought out!!

[BorderPatrol]

This is true.  But I'll say it one more time - kids down here in SE Ark are wearing LSU and Ole Miss and Alabama gear just as much as they are Razorback gear.  If that isn't an indicator of what's happening then I don't know what is.  Twenty years ago you would have NEVER seen that.

Are they doing that because of the one less game in Little Rock?

bp

[hogsanity]

This is true.  But I'll say it one more time - kids down here in SE Ark are wearing LSU and Ole Miss and Alabama gear just as much as they are Razorback gear.  If that isn't an indicator of what's happening then I don't know what is.  Twenty years ago you would have NEVER seen that.

20 years ago LSU and old misses and every other team from here to timbuktu was not on tv every week either. Ark has played at least 2 games in wms every year until this upcoming season, so playing in LR has not done anything the quell the uprising of the kids you mention wearing other teams gear.

[LZH]

20 years ago LSU and old misses and every other team from here to timbuktu was not on tv every week either. Ark has played at least 2 games in wms every year until this upcoming season, so playing in LR has not done anything the quell the uprising of the kids you mention wearing other teams gear.

You kind of made my point for me.  What games have been in LR?  The Mississippi schools, LSU, and cupcakes.  Arkansas is no longer the overwhelming home team with young people around here anymore....we're seen as an inferior program, especially when it comes to LSU (which, truthfully, I guess we are).  And take it for whatever it's worth or say 'we don't need them', but 99% of folks from down here are not gonna drive to Fayetteville to see a game - they never have.  NWA may as well be Missouri or Kansas, LR is Arkansas.  Not trying to win an argument here, just trying to get folks to quit oversimplifying things and realize what's been happening over the past 5-10 years.

[Wildhog]

y'all mfers crack me up.

[LZH]

y'all mfers crack me up.

Imagine what that means to a guy like me...........

[AUSTXHOG]

Playing college football overseas makes about as much sense as India vs Pakistan playing cricket @ WMS.  The Texas AD using this as an excuse as to not play TAMU is disingenuous.  UT is maxed out on brand recognition...hell, they have a tv network that's losing money.  http://www.burntorangenation.com/2013/6/25/4462912/longhorn-network-time-warner-directv-kansas-jayhawks-network

Winning grows the brand.

[Wildhog]

Imagine what that means to a guy like me...........

You love me.  I don't want to hear it.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Also, I think NFL games in Euro are stupid, and Texas in Mexico is equally retarded. 

agree

[Inhogswetrust]

Haha! Good post. Stick around awhile Bench Warmer. You ain't seen nothing yet.

[Inhogswetrust]

You kind of made my point for me.  What games have been in LR?  The Mississippi schools, LSU, and cupcakes.  Arkansas is no longer the overwhelming home team with young people around here anymore....we're seen as an inferior program, especially when it comes to LSU (which, truthfully, I guess we are).  And take it for whatever it's worth or say 'we don't need them', but 99% of folks from down here are not gonna drive to Fayetteville to see a game - they never have.  NWA may as well be Missouri or Kansas, LR is Arkansas.  Not trying to win an argument here, just trying to get folks to quit oversimplifying things and realize what's been happening over the past 5-10 years.

Everytime someone says that I laugh. I have relatives down there that drive to Fayetteville for games. The people to our left and right in our seats section are from Helena and Dallas respectively. I drive from a suburb of Memphis even game. All of us drive about the same driving time to get to the Fayetteville games. When I go to reunions in south Arkansas there are Hog shirts and hats everywhere. There are a LOT of college team campuses NOT located right in the middle of their state and people have to drive a long way to see them play.

[LZH]

Everytime someone says that I laugh. I have relatives down there that drive to Fayetteville for games. The people to our left and right in our seats section are from Helena and Dallas respectively. I drive from a suburb of Memphis even game. All of us drive about the same driving time to get to the Fayetteville games. When I go to reunions in south Arkansas there are Hog shirts and hats everywhere.

Sooo...........that would make it 98%?

I'm talking about regular everyday fans, not us.

[LZH]

You love me.  I don't want to hear it.

I'm still thinking it, though.  So take THAT!


I win.

[Inhogswetrust]

Sooo...........that would make it 98%?

I'm talking about regular everyday fans, not us.

If so then why say "not going to drive to Fayetteville games, they never have" IF you are talking about regular fans like they wouldn't go to a game anywhere. Saying they never have is wrong. People from down there go to games. Heck a large % of the state's population don't generally go to games no matter where they are played and where they live.

[Wildhog]

[sauce]

My boy sauce! T-town clown!

I have to post now and then to stir things up.

[Inhogswetrust]

Twenty years ago they couldn't order that stuff online either. Twenty years ago, there wasn't a Lidz in every mall selling caps from every major team - college and pro.

The world has gotten smaller thanks to technology. Arkansas does not need to play in LR to keep those kids' interest, it needs to win at a high level wherever the games are played.

Yep. Everyone loves a winner. Kids can't explain some times why they root for a certain team or wear a teams stuff. Sometimes they simple think the mascot or logo is cool.

[Inhogswetrust]

Playing college football overseas makes about as much sense as India vs Pakistan playing cricket @ WMS.  The Texas AD using this as an excuse as to not play TAMU is disingenuous.  UT is maxed out on brand recognition...hell, they have a tv network that's losing money.  http://www.burntorangenation.com/2013/6/25/4462912/longhorn-network-time-warner-directv-kansas-jayhawks-network

Winning grows the brand.

There is a LOT of fail in that linked article.

[cosmodrum]

I have to post now and then to stir things up.

sauce...stir things up...you clever sumbish

[hobhog]

No idea how this relates to GSD, but I'd be pissed if I were a UT fan. Thank gawd I'm not.

[hobhog]

Some people just don't get the war memorial thing.



It's simple economics.


If you were running a multimillion dollar company would you still do something that the company was doing for over 50 years even if you were losing 2 million every time you did it?

Maybe if there was something else to be gained- It's called a "loss leader". Some people either can't understand it or refuse to do so. When it quits making sense, they will end it.

[rhames]

Children are stupid. We shouldn't worry about them.

[rhames]

But there isn't loss leader


There is nothing to be gained


The "loss leader" is fans not taking emotion out of the argument. It doesn't make sense to play games in little rock. They will stop doing it when the contract is expired. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets bought out.

[hogsanity]

You kind of made my point for me.  What games have been in LR?  The Mississippi schools, LSU, and cupcakes. 

and you made a point for me that I have been making for years.  While the WMS crowd yells that " we just love the Hogs"  what they really are saying is " we love the hogs AS LONG AS we get high profile games, even though it cost the school 2-4 mil in revenue to play here, and is 2 weekends when they don't get to showcase the campus".

[hogsanity]

Sooo...........that would make it 98%?

I'm talking about regular everyday fans, not us.

Lots of " regular everyday fans " that live within 50 miles of either stadium never go to games.  Matter of fact, most "regular everyday fans" rarely attend games, period.

[Hogwop]

and you made a point for me that I have been making for years.  While the WMS crowd yells that " we just love the Hogs"  what they really are saying is " we love the hogs AS LONG AS we get high profile games, even though it cost the school 2-4 mil in revenue to play here, and is 2 weekends when they don't get to showcase the campus".

As long as it's convenient for them, that's all that matters. Who cares if the university loses money? Who cares if we can't host recruits? Who cares if the players don't like having a "home" game 3 hours away from campus? Me not having to drive  2 1/2-5  hours is far more important.

[hobhog]

But there isn't loss leader


There is nothing to be gained


The "loss leader" is fans not taking emotion out of the argument. It doesn't make sense to play games in little rock. They will stop doing it when the contract is expired. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets bought out.

Not what "loss leader"means, but whatever.

It won't get bought out, but WMS games may end with contract completion. And many fans, with lots of money, will disagree with "nothing to be gained" comment. If they DO continue playing a game in WMS, it will be because there is something to be gained, and not due to "emotions". We shall see.......

[LZH]

Booooo!

[rhames]

Not what "loss leader"means, but whatever.

It won't get bought out, but WMS games may end with contract completion. And many fans, with lots of money, will disagree with "nothing to be gained" comment. If they DO continue playing a game in WMS, it will be because there is something to be gained, and not due to "emotions". We shall see.......

What's to be gained.


Can't host recruits

No exposure of your campus.


Doesn't sell out


Looks like crap on TV



The university losses money.


You didn't comprehend what I said about loss leader


You think that it's worth the loss to have games at WMS because that income is made up somewhere else, which hasn't been proven,  I say you think think because you want games at WMS.

[WizardofhOgZ]

I'd be fine if Texas played all their games in Mexico....hell go to Argentina for a few too.

They'd be seen by more people there than the are on games carried by the Longhorn Network.

[LZH]

They'd be seen by more people there than the are on games carried by the Longhorn Network.

[Inhogswetrust]

and you made a point for me that I have been making for years.  While the WMS crowd yells that " we just love the Hogs"  what they really are saying is " we love the hogs AS LONG AS we get high profile games, even though it cost the school 2-4 mil in revenue to play here, and is 2 weekends when they don't get to showcase the campus".

Don't forget "and it is more convenient for us to go to games and not have to drive so far".

[Hogwop]

Don't forget "and it is more convenient for us to go to games and not have to drive so far".

"By God, if they don't keep playing games in LR I'll pull my support and go root for Ole Piss!"

[hogsanity]

"By God, if they don't keep playing games in LR I'll pull my support and go root for Ole Piss!"

Which is farther from LR, oxford or Fayetteville?

[wupigsuey]

Ladies and germs, the fact of the matter is that it doesn't make a rats furry behind where the games are played because TV money is where the dollars come from now days. We could fill Jerryworld but at an avg of even $75 a ticket, tv wins.

[Hogwop]

Which is farther from LR, oxford or Fayetteville?

No clue, I'm being facetious. I live in NWA and think all games should be played in Fayetteville. Some people on here act like  if there's no games in LR they'll pull their "fandom" even if it doesnt make any sense.

[hogsanity]

No clue, I'm being facetious. I live in NWA and think all games should be played in Fayetteville. Some people on here act like  if there's no games in LR they'll pull their "fandom" even if it doesnt make any sense.

I was just furthering your point because I have heard that argument too. I knew you were not saying you would do that.

[Hogwop]

So I hear Nine Inch Nails and Soundgarden are touring together but they aren't playing in LR so I'm gonna have to quit listening to their music. Foo Fighters and Motorhead WILL be there tho, so they're my new favorite band(s)! Sure, they're not quite as good as NIN/Soundgarden, BUT their show is nice and convenient.