2016 McTelvin Agim

[redeye]

Seems like a very bitter comment. You don't understand why a kid would want to play at a school that has 5 heisman winners, 151 consensus all Americans, 46 conference titles, 7 national titles and the program that has been said to be the most prestigious cfb program of all time( espn, sporting news, fox and college football news) by several publications? Please, enlighten me why you feel as if anyone shouldn't want to play at OU, and why it's just an idiotic idea to play football there.

Btw, if you look above I gave an insightful comment about an interview he did yesterday. He spoke glowingly about Arkansas, too. Kid must just not get it since he grew up an OU fan and  it was a dream offer, redeye.

Yea, Oklahoma has a great past.  I'm fully aware of Oklahoma's great, but distant, football accomplishments.  I'm also aware of how Oklahoma's best years were when a certain coach from Arkansas was at the helm and cheating Oklahoma to victory after victory.

I'm also aware of how Oklahoma has appeared in 4 BCS title games; thanks to blowing through an easy Big-XII schedule.  And how Oklahoma lost 3 of them, which includes being on the wrong end of the largest blowout in BCS title game history.  I'm also aware of how Oklahoma's last national championship was 14 years ago and how the one before that came almost 30 years ago.  I grew up during a time when Oklahoma dominated college football, so I know the difference between a true contender and what Oklahoma puts on the field today.

But I never said that no one should want to play for Oklahoma or that it's an idiotic idea (those are your words.)  What I said is that I don't understand why anyone would want to play for Oklahoma, and since you asked, I'll explain why.

First, I have no hard feelings for the State of Oklahoma, but just find it boring.  I know Oklahoma City has been growing quickly, but I have no idea why and have wondered for years, now.  My personal opinion is that it's because of it's proximity to the Metroplex and that the growth in OKC is in large part due to an extension of the growth in the DFW area.  If Agim is truly interested in Oklahoma, this is likely the reason, since it's closer to his roots then most other BCS schools.

Btw, if you're an urban guy, then why do you live in OKC?  It's not that much larger then Central Arkansas, so I'm skeptical that it's much more urban.  And while OKC is outpacing LR now, the opposite has been true for most of the last 100 years.  I wouldn't even put OKC in the same breath as Austin, TX, but I wouldn't do that with LR, either.

As for UO, the only thing keeping it competitive is it's proximity to the DFW area, and I suspect to see erosion there, as DFW recruits begin choosing SEC schools over UO.  I don't really think I need to explain why I think the Big-XII is dying, when the conference is named the Big 12, while only having 10 members.  While the SEC has expressed interest in Oklahoma in the past, I wouldn't be overly confident that they'll do so again, because it's certainly not inconceivable that the SEC could end up with UNC and Texas, leaving UO to fend for itself.  And what would UO do if that happened?  Become the red-headed step-child of the Pac-12?

If UO did end up in the SEC, then it would have to play Alabama every year.  UO is 2-4 in bowl games in the BCS era against SEC teams, with victories over Alabama and Arkansas, and losses to A&M, LSU, Florida and Ole Miss.  You'd have to be a fool to believe that UO would experience the same success in the SEC, as it has in the Big-12.

Nothing personal toward Oklahoma or UO here, but just giving my opinions.

[Razorhawg09]

Ha. I lived in Arkansas for nearly 5 years. Tornadoes are prominent there, as well. Better not live in Texas. They gave more tornadoes than any other place in the world. Wind is nasty there too. You guys are trying to nit-pick stuff that's everywhere. I lived right south of Philly for 4 years. Beautiful scenerey, windy, bitterly cold in the winters and lots of snow. Those cons didn't out- weigh all of the pros. Loved it there.

Again, I love how pretty Arkansas is, but I'm not a hunter, or fisher. I can shoot with the best of them, having served and been a marksman, but I'm just not into that stuff. That's what was in appealing about Arkansas to me. Culturally, very different from Okc. I'm an urban type of guy. I like biking, jogging, going to big concerts, sporting events, etc. To each his/her own. I'm just a big city guy.

Yeah can't go biking, jogging in Arkansas. Can't go to any concerts either. Idiot. You have one sports team. In a league that's equivalent to WWE. Oklahoma City is big? New York, Boston, Chicago etc are big cities.

[Soonerman12]

Yeah can't go biking, jogging in Arkansas. Can't go to any concerts either. Idiot. You have one sports team. In a league that's equivalent to WWE. Oklahoma City is big? New York, Boston, Chicago etc are big cities.

WWE? What the heck? NFL and NBA are America's most popular sports. Get a clue. Oh, and I lived in Arkansas for several years. It doesn't get the big concerts like a Coldplay, U2, etc. OKC does. You have to drive to Dallas, Memphis or OKC to see any concert that's not country. Again, you just seem naive.

[Soonerman12]

Yea, Oklahoma has a great past.  I'm fully aware of Oklahoma's great, but distant, football accomplishments.  I'm also aware of how Oklahoma's best years were when a certain coach from Arkansas was at the helm and cheating Oklahoma to victory after victory.

I'm also aware of how Oklahoma has appeared in 4 BCS title games; thanks to blowing through an easy Big-XII schedule.  And how Oklahoma lost 3 of them, which includes being on the wrong end of the largest blowout in BCS title game history.  I'm also aware of how Oklahoma's last national championship was 14 years ago and how the one before that came almost 30 years ago.  I grew up during a time when Oklahoma dominated college football, so I know the difference between a true contender and what Oklahoma puts on the field today.

But I never said that no one should want to play for Oklahoma or that it's an idiotic idea (those are your words.)  What I said is that I don't understand why anyone would want to play for Oklahoma, and since you asked, I'll explain why.

First, I have no hard feelings for the State of Oklahoma, but just find it boring.  I know Oklahoma City has been growing quickly, but I have no idea why and have wondered for years, now.  My personal opinion is that it's because of it's proximity to the Metroplex and that the growth in OKC is in large part due to an extension of the growth in the DFW area.  If Agim is truly interested in Oklahoma, this is likely the reason, since it's closer to his roots then most other BCS schools.

Btw, if you're an urban guy, then why do you live in OKC?  It's not that much larger then Central Arkansas, so I'm skeptical that it's much more urban.  And while OKC is outpacing LR now, the opposite has been true for most of the last 100 years.  I wouldn't even put OKC in the same breath as Austin, TX, but I wouldn't do that with LR, either.

As for UO, the only thing keeping it competitive is it's proximity to the DFW area, and I suspect to see erosion there, as DFW recruits begin choosing SEC schools over UO.  I don't really think I need to explain why I think the Big-XII is dying, when the conference is named the Big 12, while only having 10 members.  While the SEC has expressed interest in Oklahoma in the past, I wouldn't be overly confident that they'll do so again, because it's certainly not inconceivable that the SEC could end up with UNC and Texas, leaving UO to fend for itself.  And what would UO do if that happened?  Become the red-headed step-child of the Pac-12?

If UO did end up in the SEC, then it would have to play Alabama every year.  UO is 2-4 in bowl games in the BCS era against SEC teams, with victories over Alabama and Arkansas, and losses to A&M, LSU, Florida and Ole Miss.  You'd have to be a fool to believe that UO would experience the same success in the SEC, as it has in the Big-12.

Nothing personal toward Oklahoma or UO here, but just giving my opinions.

Extension to Dallas? It's 2.5 hrs from Dallas. Not much bigger than central Arkansas? LR metro has 800k. OKC's is 1.45 million. It was only 1.1 million in 2010. So, it's basically twice the size of central Arkansas. Let's now talk about playing Bama every year, shall we? OU has played them 3 times in last ten years. OU is.... Gasp!...... 3-0 vs Bama. OU has Tennessee,the next two years, in a home and home. They also have Ohio State and LSU in home and homes. All in the next 6 years.

And to your boring comment about Oklahoma. You live in Arkansas. I use to to live in Arkansas. If you're not a hunter or fisherman( I am not) it is very, very boring. Oklahoma has much more to do, entertainment wise. If you don't believe that you're delusional.

[Huckleberry Pig]

I have nothing against OKC or even Tulsa for that matter.  I would agree that OKC is more urban than LR and it's cool that you enjoy it there Soonerman... I just wanted to defend the asinine comment backout made comparing the scenery in NORMAN to the scenery in Fayetteville.  That's idiotic.  PS Soonerman, if you like joggin and hiking and the like, NWA would be a great fit for you 

Norman is ugly as shiz and if you were to pick a school based on just scenery, Arkansas wins hands down and it's not even close.

[fortsmithokie]

McTelvin Agim R.I.P. (I'm assuming anyway since a select few killed his thread)

[Razorhawg09]

WWE? What the heck? NFL and NBA are America's most popular sports. Get a clue. Oh, and I lived in Arkansas for several years. It doesn't get the big concerts like a Coldplay, U2, etc. OKC does. You have to drive to Dallas, Memphis or OKC to see any concert that's not country. Again, you just seem naive.

Chili Peppers etc. Arkansas gets plenty of concerts. Only an effeminate man brags about a Coldplay concert. Do you cry when you bang your wife? Once again you keep lumping OKC in with a place like Dallas. No one would choose OKC if given equal opportunities in Dallas. Oklahoma City is for people who can't get job offers anywhere else.

[Razorhawg09]

Extension to Dallas? It's 2.5 hrs from Dallas. Not much bigger than central Arkansas? LR metro has 800k. OKC's is 1.45 million. It was only 1.1 million in 2010. So, it's basically twice the size of central Arkansas. Let's now talk about playing Bama every year, shall we? OU has played them 3 times in last ten years. OU is.... Gasp!...... 3-0 vs Bama. OU has Tennessee,the next two years, in a home and home. They also have Ohio State and LSU in home and homes. All in the next 6 years.

And to your boring comment about Oklahoma. You live in Arkansas. I use to to live in Arkansas. If you're not a hunter or fisherman( I am not) it is very, very boring. Oklahoma has much more to do, entertainment wise. If you don't believe that you're delusional.

Much more to do? That's an exaggeration. Besides a NBA team or crappy Indian casinos not much difference. A lot of people don't like the NBA. Fat bodies like you probably do get bored in a beautiful place filled with outdoor activities. You look like an idiot. It's like someone from Indiana bragging about how awesome it is.

[Soonerman12]

Much more to do? That's an exaggeration. Besides a NBA team or crappy Indian casinos not much difference. A lot of people don't like the NBA. Fat bodies like you probably do get bored in a beautiful place filled with outdoor activities. You look like an idiot. It's like someone from Indiana bragging about how awesome it is.

The fact you've resorted to an assumption about my body and name calling says that you're stumped. You're right, though. Olympic rowing complex open for the public to use, building a whitewater rafting complex downtown, too. That said, I'm a 6 day a week type gym, runner, biking type guy. You can assume all you want about me.

Lastly, and I'm done here, there's about 1 million or more people in Oklahoma so there's going to obviously be more to do, entertainment wise. It's supply and demand.

I'm done. Arkansas is a great state. I just took offense to a posters statement about Oklahoma. My apologies. I'm out.

[Razorhawg09]

The fact you've resorted to an assumption about my body and name calling says that you're stumped. You're right, though. Olympic rowing complex open for the public to use, building a whitewater rafting complex downtown, too. That said, I'm a 6 day a week type gym, runner, biking type guy. You can assume all you want about me.

Lastly, and I'm done here, there's about 1 million or more people in Oklahoma so there's going to obviously be more to do, entertainment wise. It's supply and demand.

I'm done. Arkansas is a great state. I just took offense to a posters statement about Oklahoma. My apologies. I'm out.

Man made rafting. Awesome. I'll take the Buffalo River. Do yourself a favor and don't come back.

[wholehog92]

I lived in the OKC area for 8 of the longest years of my life from 1993 to 2001.  I am the polar opposite of soonerman.  I like the outdoors, hunting, fishing, etc.

That said, I still have friends in the area I visit occasionally.  OKC has changed a lot recently and most of it for the better.  They have legitimate growth and a good economy.  As large cities go, it is pretty well managed.

Most of what has happened in OKC is a result of things happening on a national scale and they were fortunate enough to be just finishing a significant revitalization effort at the same time.  Some areas going full retard on tax hikes and liberty grabs have driven a lot of corporations out of some places and to places like OKC, Dallas, and even Fayetteville and Little Rock.  Not acknowledging those things make both sides look silly in these urinary olympics.

My in-laws live in Tahlequah, OK.  I've hunted the panhandle.  I've managed businesses in downtown OKC.  The only time I've ever had to fire a weapon in self defense was in Midwest City.  To act like Oklahoma is some metropolitan wonderland is not accurate.

To act like AR has no draw to business execs is ignoring one of the largest problems for several fortune 500 companies in Bentonville I have personal knowledge of, so likely more I don't know about.  They send their high level sales and execs in because WM is their most significant client.  They get here and develop relationships just fine.  When the corporation wants to widen the relationship and cycle different people in, the ones that are here refuse to leave.  They will leave the company before they leave NWA.

I'm not going to throw stones at OKC, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.  Don't come on a Hog board in a recruiting section in a thread about Agim and tell me inaccurate crap about the area we would like Agim to live.

You want culture?  Show me an art museum on the same level as Crystal Bridges.
You want jogging and bicycling?  Show me an infrastructure in OKC that allows you to bike or jog from one end of the metro to the other like the Razorback Greenway trail.
We don't have the population to support professional sports or major concert venues, but we do have some of the biggest names in entertainment coming through in a much more intimate setting.  We also have a significant number of indy rock groups that stop through Dickson on the way up.

Only an Oklahoman would look at us widening 540 and improving access and adding more north south corridors and a new east/west corridor in the middle as a problem for the area.  Psst, it indicates growth.

[Soonerman12]

Chili Peppers etc. Arkansas gets plenty of concerts. Only an effeminate man brags about a Coldplay concert. Do you cry when you bang your wife? Once again you keep lumping OKC in with a place like Dallas. No one would choose OKC if given equal opportunities in Dallas. Oklahoma City is for people who can't get job offers anywhere else.

I'm not comparing Dallas to okc. It's like comparing LR to okc. Not a fair comparison. Chili Peppers? Seen them. You can hate on Coldplay all you want. Great band. I'm sure you think country music is a good genre. Ha. I have watched U2 play in front of 75k in Norman. There is a massive difference in selection between okc and LR and Dallas and okc.

[Soonerman12]

I lived in the OKC area for 8 of the longest years of my life from 1993 to 2001.  I am the polar opposite of soonerman.  I like the outdoors, hunting, fishing, etc.

That said, I still have friends in the area I visit occasionally.  OKC has changed a lot recently and most of it for the better.  They have legitimate growth and a good economy.  As large cities go, it is pretty well managed.

Most of what has happened in OKC is a result of things happening on a national scale and they were fortunate enough to be just finishing a significant revitalization effort at the same time.  Some areas going full retard on tax hikes and liberty grabs have driven a lot of corporations out of some places and to places like OKC, Dallas, and even Fayetteville and Little Rock.  Not acknowledging those things make both sides look silly in these urinary olympics.

My in-laws live in Tahlequah, OK.  I've hunted the panhandle.  I've managed businesses in downtown OKC.  The only time I've ever had to fire a weapon in self defense was in Midwest City.  To act like Oklahoma is some metropolitan wonderland is not accurate.

To act like AR has no draw to business execs is ignoring one of the largest problems for several fortune 500 companies in Bentonville I have personal knowledge of, so likely more I don't know about.  They send their high level sales and execs in because WM is their most significant client.  They get here and develop relationships just fine.  When the corporation wants to widen the relationship and cycle different people in, the ones that are here refuse to leave.  They will leave the company before they leave NWA.

I'm not going to throw stones at OKC, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.  Don't come on a Hog board in a recruiting section in a thread about Agim and tell me inaccurate crap about the area we would like Agim to live.

You want culture?  Show me an art museum on the same level as Crystal Bridges.
You want jogging and bicycling?  Show me an infrastructure in OKC that allows you to bike or jog from one end of the metro to the other like the Razorback Greenway trail.
We don't have the population to support professional sports or major concert venues, but we do have some of the biggest names in entertainment coming through in a much more intimate setting.  We also have a significant number of indy rock groups that stop through Dickson on the way up.

Only an Oklahoman would look at us widening 540 and improving access and adding more north south corridors and a new east/west corridor in the middle as a problem for the area.  Psst, it indicates growth.

Okc has 3 art museums. One is nationally renowned( okc museum of art). Also, okc has trails for biking that go from Edmond to South Okc. So, there's that.

[ricepig]

^^^^^I thought you left, you appear to be a man that doesn't honor his word, shameful.

[razorsquirrel]

Sooo... Mctelvin Agim??

[Peppa Pig]

My apologies. I'm out.

Do you ever do what you say you're going to do?  Ever?

Run along.  I'm sure your Blake Bell for Heisman fan site needs some work.

[wholehog92]

Okc has 3 art museums. One is nationally renowned( okc museum of art). Also, okc has trails for biking that go from Edmond to South Okc. So, there's that.

That's great, Crystal Bridges is world renown.  They share art with the Louvre.  You acting like we are a bunch of culturally deprived schleps because we haven't had U2 singing in front of 75K doesn't make you sound educated about culture.  Comparing the OKC museum of art to Crystal Bridges doesn't either.  Acting superior because you like one genre of music over another doesn't make you sound like you have it figured out.  It all just makes you sound like a young guy thinking he knows more than he does.  If you are not young, it's unfortunate.  Your big city life has allowed your views to be myopic.

I'd sooner bike Baghdad than South OKC.  That's a bit of hyperbole btw.

[Razorhawg09]

Okc has 3 art museums. One is nationally renowned( okc museum of art). Also, okc has trails for biking that go from Edmond to South Okc. So, there's that.

He said name one that compares to Crystal Bridges. You failed to do that. You might as well leave outdoors/scenery out of any argument. Oklahoma is one of the worst. You sound like a sissy who doesn't like to sweat and listens to Coldplay and Death Cab for Cutie. Probably fit in better there anyway.

[PorkRinds]

The fact you've resorted to an assumption about my body and name calling says that you're stumped. You're right, though. Olympic rowing complex open for the public to use, building a whitewater rafting complex downtown, too. That said, I'm a 6 day a week type gym, runner, biking type guy. You can assume all you want about me.

Lastly, and I'm done here, there's about 1 million or more people in Oklahoma so there's going to obviously be more to do, entertainment wise. It's supply and demand.

I'm done. Arkansas is a great state. I just took offense to a posters statement about Oklahoma. My apologies. I'm out.

Oklahoma is the sweaty ballsack of America. Sorry, but it's true.

[Soonerman12]

That's great, Crystal Bridges is world renown.  They share art with the Louvre.  You acting like we are a bunch of culturally deprived schleps because we haven't had U2 singing in front of 75K doesn't make you sound educated about culture.  Comparing the OKC museum of art to Crystal Bridges doesn't either.  Acting superior because you like one genre of music over another doesn't make you sound like you have it figured out.  It all just makes you sound like a young guy thinking he knows more than he does.  If you are not young, it's unfortunate.  Your big city life has allowed your views to be myopic.

I'd sooner bike Baghdad than South OKC.  That's a bit of hyperbole btw.

From a person that's served and fought over there , that little bit of hyperbole wasn't remotely funny.

[hogwild210]

It's funny how much control Soonerman has over some of you, and it's sad that Arkansas fans let one fan of another fanbase completely derail a thread.

[wholehog92]

From a person that's served and fought over there , that little bit of hyperbole wasn't remotely funny.

Since I've done the same, I feel fully fine typing it.

[Soonerman12]

He said name one that compares to Crystal Bridges. You failed to do that. You might as well leave outdoors/scenery out of any argument. Oklahoma is one of the worst. You sound like a sissy who doesn't like to sweat and listens to Coldplay and Death Cab for Cutie. Probably fit in better there anyway.

All I have to do is go here. Has some of the most expensive pieces of art in the world. Actually, THE most expensive. Oh ya, it's on OU's campus.... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Jones_Jr._Museum_of_Art

Cool. I like both bands. I'm okay with that. Beats chewing tobacco and thinking tree leaf camo is cool clothes. Your mullet must be epic. See, I can be a dbag, too.

[Soonerman12]

It's funny how much control Soonerman has over some of you, and it's sad that Arkansas fans let one fan of another fanbase completely derail a thread.

Dance puppets! Dance!

[Soonerman12]

Oklahoma is the sweaty ballsack of America. Sorry, but it's true.

Yes, that's why so many people are moving there in droves.

[fortsmithokie]

Oklahoma is the sweaty ballsack of America. Sorry, but it's true.

You've never spent much time in Kansas. lol

[Wildhog]

Uh, Oklahoma sucks.

And I say that with full awareness that Arkansas blows.  Neither one should be talking ish about the other.

Oklahoma does have the worst drivers on the planet, though.

[The_Hog_Father]

FFS!! Can a Mod please clean this sh t up?

Thank you.  :razorback:

[Soonerman12]

Right on cue, in today's paper, we have this : http://m.newsok.com/two-western-oklahoma-towns-are-among-fastest-growing-in-u.s./article/3947284

[Soonerman12]

FFS!! Can a Mod please clean this sh t up?

Thank you.  :razorback:

You realize this is all in good fun, right?

[The_Hog_Father]

Right on cue, in today's paper, we have this : http://m.newsok.com/two-western-oklahoma-towns-are-among-fastest-growing-in-u.s./article/3947284

Awesome, please go create another thread about it.

And many here have served over in the Middle East, myself included.

Save the mock indignation, you seem better than that.

Thank you and with respect. Cool?

[The_Hog_Father]

You realize this is all in good fun, right?

To you maybe... I think it's pretty stupid. I would like to know more about this recruit, not some border war pissing contest. You realize this is a Recruiting Forum, right?! Go curl one out somewhere else.

[Soonerman12]

To you maybe... I think it's pretty stupid. I would like to know more about this recruit, not some border war pissing contest. You realize this is a Recruiting Forum, right?! Go curl one out somewhere else.

Everything there is to know about a 2016 recruit has been said.

Overview: he grew up in Corsicana, tx. He is an OU fan. He has been offered by OU and Arkansas and feels blessed. OU was his dream offer and Arkansas is great and can't wait to take a visit. The end.

[Wildhog]

 

Right on cue, in today's paper, we have this : http://m.newsok.com/two-western-oklahoma-towns-are-among-fastest-growing-in-u.s./article/3947284

http://www.thecitywire.com/node/21146#.UzRPnu4o6Hs

So the difference is negligible.  Go us.

[The_Hog_Father]

Everything there is to know about a 2016 recruit has been said.

Overview: he grew up in Corsicana, tx. He is an OU fan. He has been offered by OU and Arkansas and feels blessed. OU was his dream offer and Arkansas is great and can't wait to take a visit. The end.

You are a real winner.

[Soonerman12]

http://www.thecitywire.com/node/21146#.UzRPnu4o6Hs

So the difference is negligible.  Go us.

2012 and LR was the 186th fastest. Not sure how that compares to okc being top 5 metro in us, in growth. Also, small towns being top 10. Plus, my article was from today, not March 2012.

[Soonerman12]

You are a real winner.

2nd place is just first loser. Get on my level!

[Peppa Pig]

I'm done. Arkansas is a great state. I just took offense to a posters statement about Oklahoma. My apologies. I'm out.

I miss this.  Does anyone remember this?  It was happy times.

[Fort Dweller]

Oklahoma does have the worst drivers on the planet, though.

I submit drivers from Houston, TX and Shreveport, LA for the record.

[hogwild210]

Dance puppets! Dance!

It baffles me that they don't realize it.

[backout60]

Yea, Oklahoma has a great past.  I'm fully aware of Oklahoma's great, but distant, football accomplishments.  I'm also aware of how Oklahoma's best years were when a certain coach from Arkansas was at the helm and cheating Oklahoma to victory after victory.

I'm also aware of how Oklahoma has appeared in 4 BCS title games; thanks to blowing through an easy Big-XII schedule.  And how Oklahoma lost 3 of them, which includes being on the wrong end of the largest blowout in BCS title game history.  I'm also aware of how Oklahoma's last national championship was 14 years ago and how the one before that came almost 30 years ago.  I grew up during a time when Oklahoma dominated college football, so I know the difference between a true contender and what Oklahoma puts on the field today.

But I never said that no one should want to play for Oklahoma or that it's an idiotic idea (those are your words.)  What I said is that I don't understand why anyone would want to play for Oklahoma, and since you asked, I'll explain why.

First, I have no hard feelings for the State of Oklahoma, but just find it boring.  I know Oklahoma City has been growing quickly, but I have no idea why and have wondered for years, now.  My personal opinion is that it's because of it's proximity to the Metroplex and that the growth in OKC is in large part due to an extension of the growth in the DFW area.  If Agim is truly interested in Oklahoma, this is likely the reason, since it's closer to his roots then most other BCS schools.

Btw, if you're an urban guy, then why do you live in OKC?  It's not that much larger then Central Arkansas, so I'm skeptical that it's much more urban.  And while OKC is outpacing LR now, the opposite has been true for most of the last 100 years.  I wouldn't even put OKC in the same breath as Austin, TX, but I wouldn't do that with LR, either.

As for UO, the only thing keeping it competitive is it's proximity to the DFW area, and I suspect to see erosion there, as DFW recruits begin choosing SEC schools over UO.  I don't really think I need to explain why I think the Big-XII is dying, when the conference is named the Big 12, while only having 10 members.  While the SEC has expressed interest in Oklahoma in the past, I wouldn't be overly confident that they'll do so again, because it's certainly not inconceivable that the SEC could end up with UNC and Texas, leaving UO to fend for itself.  And what would UO do if that happened?  Become the red-headed step-child of the Pac-12?

If UO did end up in the SEC, then it would have to play Alabama every year.  UO is 2-4 in bowl games in the BCS era against SEC teams, with victories over Alabama and Arkansas, and losses to A&M, LSU, Florida and Ole Miss.  You'd have to be a fool to believe that UO would experience the same success in the SEC, as it has in the Big-12.

Nothing personal toward Oklahoma or UO here, but just giving my opinions.

Maybe because Stoops is the highest avg wins per year than anyone else. He's only won every BCS game. No other coach has. Sure last title was in 2000 but when was the last title for a lot of teams? Yea OU wouldn't have any success moving from the terrible big 12 to the SEC. But wait didn't Missouri and tamu who were mediocre in the big 12 come in and have so much success more than Arkansas has had in a while? Hmmmm. OU would come in. Like sec teams schedule 4 bad ooc games. Win those. Play miss st. Ole miss. Arky.  Wins those. There's 7 wins. Play tamu probably win that so there's 8. Then play 2 bad east teams. There's 10 wins. Then play bama and lsu who we either lose both split or win both. So regardless there's ten wins and a top ten ranking. But yea no success at all.......... Sec isn't what u think it is buddy.

We still recruit Nationally. There aren't many Dallas kids who pick SEC schools besides maybe A&M. We recruit it pretty well and still have a foothold there. Especially with the recent success there are many high profile guys showing great interest in us from there. And we should make the playoffs so that'll help even more.

If we went to the PAC 12 we'd still have a lot of success. We recruit those area great and playing there would give is more ammo to recuit the kids there. But choice between adding OU and Texas or Texas and UNC you how With OU due to name. Brand and the rivalries.

So your argument is pretty much wrong. OU may have lost 3 title games. But hey they got there. Which is more than most teams can say. OU is ranked 1st in a lot of winning statistics so why wouldn't a kid wanna win. We won 11 games this year beat the sec juggernaught bama.

[Razorhawg09]

Maybe because Stoops is the highest avg wins per year than anyone else. He's only won every BCS game. No other coach has. Sure last title was in 2000 but when was the last title for a lot of teams? Yea OU wouldn't have any success moving from the terrible big 12 to the SEC. But wait didn't Missouri and tamu who were mediocre in the big 12 come in and have so much success more than Arkansas has had in a while? Hmmmm. OU would come in. Like sec teams schedule 4 bad ooc games. Win those. Play miss st. Ole miss. Arky.  Wins those. There's 7 wins. Play tamu probably win that so there's 8. Then play 2 bad east teams. There's 10 wins. Then play bama and lsu who we either lose both split or win both. So regardless there's ten wins and a top ten ranking. But yea no success at all.......... Sec isn't what u think it is buddy.

We still recruit Nationally. There aren't many Dallas kids who pick SEC schools besides maybe A&M. We recruit it pretty well and still have a foothold there. Especially with the recent success there are many high profile guys showing great interest in us from there. And we should make the playoffs so that'll help even more.

If we went to the PAC 12 we'd still have a lot of success. We recruit those area great and playing there would give is more ammo to recuit the kids there. But choice between adding OU and Texas or Texas and UNC you how With OU due to name. Brand and the rivalries.

So your argument is pretty much wrong. OU may have lost 3 title games. But hey they got there. Which is more than most teams can say. OU is ranked 1st in a lot of winning statistics so why wouldn't a kid wanna win. We won 11 games this year beat the sec juggernaught bama.

Don't say "we."

[trashcan maN]

It baffles me that they don't realize it.

This man sincerely believes OKC is a cosmopolitan area. He's not trolling.

[trashcan maN]

Soonerman, I know you're just defending your turf, but OKC is a town that was all but dead 30 years ago and is just now being revived. It's still in pitiful shape, but there are some nice areas cropping up sporadically downtown. I think this town will be in much better shape 15-20 years from now.

I live in South OKC because I work on Tinker AFB, so I probably don't experience the best the metro area has to offer.

[trashcan maN]

But wait didn't Missouri and tamu who were mediocre in the big 12 come in and have so much success more than Arkansas has had in a while? Hmmmm.

Meh...TAMU won a Cotton Bowl and Mizzou lost the SEC championship game. Been there done that recently..

[Razorhawg09]

I envision OKC to be a culinary wasteland.

[Peppa Pig]

Yea OU wouldn't have any success moving from the terrible big 12 to the SEC. But wait didn't Missouri and tamu who were mediocre in the big 12 come in and have so much success

I love this flawed logic.  You hear it a lot from the clueless B12 fans.

The hole in their argument is that mediocre Mizzou team whipped Okie State this year.  And the mediocre Aggies humiliated mighty OU last year.

Very different teams than their B12 days.

[Tim Harris]

I swear a bunch of 3 year olds in here.  Some of you just see Sooners name and start a fight knowing he is going to defend OU.  There is to much trash in this thread to waste my time trying to clean it up.