One-And-Done Gone?

[Hoggycronopolis]

I actually like the one and done rule.

1) it protects the NBA teams by giving them a shot to evaluate players in a more competitive environment which produces more accurate scouting reports

2) it protects the players from lying scumbag agents who try to convince players they're good enough out of high school when they aren't. If the player gets to campus and is a star, he can leave and go to the NBA. If the player wasn't that good and needs development, he still has the chance to earn a free education while playing basketball, and can enter the draft when he's ready.

Making a player stay two years is unnecessary, especially for guys like Parker, Randle, etc. But allowing a player to go right out of high school exposes kids, sometimes minors, to decisions they aren't informed enough for.

I'm of the mindset (have been for years) that a kid should have to earn at least an associates degree to play professional sports. With all the money these players get, and its more each year, it's not smart to allow them to just "knucklehead" their way through school. Because what happens when they get that money, and are still knuckleheadd? DWI/dui's are on the rise and major crimes committed by these guys who think they're untouchable because they've never HAD to do anything.

[HawgnCorona]

And in most jobs, you can't get re-hired after you're fired. You can in the NBA.

Do you know of any one and done's that have been re-hired? Even so the one who put in work and hone their craft stay around those that are lay and rely solely on talent don't fare very well. And there are of later than former...

[RockChalkJayhawk]

If contribution isnt the point then it should be. Because if you aren't as skilled as you thought you were, that opportunity will be short lived. Hence killing to birds with one stone aint a bad idea. Having some education will help at least in getting a better 9 to 5.

I said that to attempt to explain to Blu why McLemore made the right decision, because he got paid.  His contract is guaranteed, regardless of contribution.  He may lead the team in scoring, he may not play much at all, but his paycheck is still coming regardless.
     And even if he's a bust, he's got 5mil in the bank and I am guessing he can live just fine on that.  If you are a lottery pick it's really in your best financial interest to go, get paid now, and then see where your career takes you.  You can go back to college at any time, but you only have a small window of years to cash in on your basketball ability.  Non-lotto picks, yes, it's a bit more roll of the dice.

[HawgnCorona]

I said that to attempt to explain to Blu why McLemore made the right decision, because he got paid.  His contract is guaranteed, regardless of contribution.  He may lead the team in scoring, he may not play much at all, but his paycheck is still coming regardless.
     And even if he's a bust, he's got 5mil in the bank and I am guessing he can live just fine on that.  If you are a lottery pick it's really in your best financial interest to go, get paid now, and then see where your career takes you.  You can go back to college at any time, but you only have a small window of years to cash in on your basketball ability.  Non-lotto picks, yes, it's a bit more roll of the dice.

I understood you and I didnt necessarily disagree either...However unless he is good at money mgmt or has some support around him to help, it wont last for long even 5mil.  And unless he puts in work to get even better he wont have too many guaranteed years if he doesnt live up to his potential--contributing--after that deal ends is all that im saying...

But I certainly get where you are coming that is certain.

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

Top flight talent will take the exodus to the top European leagues to get paid, and the quality of college basketball drops like a rock.  Then the NBA gets sued, and if the process moves fast enough, all age limits get tossed.

This is a terrible idea.   

I'm not sure if I can disagree with your overall reasoning except the terrible idea part.

Since the Straight to the NBA crowd, followed by the One and Dones, college basketball has been nothing more than a travashammockery.

This rule could help college b-ball start the path of regaining some sanity, or, in your model, go ahead and die.  For me, this is a more preferable option to your status quo one.

Also, I can't for the life of me figure out the "Business & Right to compete in the market" crowd.  If, and I do mean If, this arrangement is to be upheld to a business model, then let's look at a real life example.

My Ex got a degree through her workplace.  The deal was that she first had to clear her probationary period of one year.  A failing grade resulted in the recipient being suspended from the program until it was retaken and passed on recipient's own money.  Until the recipient completed two years of employment beyond the last class taken, they were legally indebted to pay all $$ back.  If they graduated and had a good work record, they were placed much higher for future promtions.

Recruiting costs.  Free roof.  Free food.  State of the art equipment.  Top leaders on staff to develop skills, athleticism, game knowledge, diet, medicine, doctors, trainers, and books, tuition, etc.   And they can leave in one year with no penalty?  My Ex would've loved that opportunity.

[Hawg Red]

Do you know of any one and done's that have been re-hired? Even so the one who put in work and hone their craft stay around those that are lay and rely solely on talent don't fare very well. And there are of later than former...

Not off the top of my head. But if a player gets cut or not re-signed by a team, he can absolutely come back. And somewhat in relation, even if a one-and-done doesn't make it in the NBA, they will almost assuredly get paid to play basketball somewhere else just by virtue of being an NBA draft pick.

[OldCoot]

You should not be denied any type of employment once you reach 18.  If a NBA teams wants to draft a 18 year old, so be it.  If not i think a 3 year college stay should be the minimum.

I agree with some of what you said however I believe that putting restrictions on someones ability to earn a living should be illegal.  In a free market economy, a player should be able to play at anytime a willing team will give him a contract.

I do believe school contracts should be multi-year and work both ways.  If you sign up for 4, then you "work" 4 for the school.  That also means you can't be cut in that 4 years.

[HawgnCorona]

Not off the top of my head. But if a player gets cut or not re-signed by a team, he can absolutely come back. And somewhat in relation, even if a one-and-done doesn't make it in the NBA, they will almost assuredly get paid to play basketball somewhere else just by virtue of being an NBA draft pick.

In this scenario I certainly agree. But having a level of commitment like a Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett who will to put in the work, time and effort to hone their skills needed for long term survival in the NBA in IMHO is needed to stay on top level for a long time.

Then perhaps being a vagabond in the NBA wouldnt a tag they could stick on give player.

And thanks for the civil conversation HawgRed it is appreciated here...

[TheRazorbackGuy]

This rule will not help the state of mississippi

[MountieDawg]

Considering we don't really have a lot of one and done guys, or we aren't getting the top 5 or so players in nation. Not much at all. I think it would make us a little more competitive with the UK's and Florida's in our conference. But honestly you just never know. Cal might could luck into talking one or two guys into staying and then it would become a matter of can we get our lesser talented players to develop at a much faster rate. It would definitely be a change, but one I would welcome.

Cal has been asking for the 20 year age limit, he was talking about it on GameDay last weekend!

[TheRazorbackGuy]

Cal has been asking for the 20 year age limit, he was talking about it on GameDay last weekend!

If he has that he won't be able to bring in top classes every year but every other year. The year between the recruits would go to schools that offer better playing time

[immahog]

I prefer the NFL model where a player is not eligible for the draft until after the equivalent of their 3rd year of college.

college basketball is good now but it would be great if this happens also I think the nba would benefit as well the last couple of draft classes as a whole have been trash for lack of a better word players would be able to develope more

[hobhog]

I think most people on here are hypocrites. If you could make millions doing what you specialize in, you would reject any policy that restrict you to do so. I doubt any of you leave money on the table meaning if your boss suggest that you  volunteer at the local food bank for three years or even one, most if not all would reject that.

NBA making requirements for employment is no different than a bank requiring a collge degree, or a business requiring a certain amount of experience. No hypocrisy there.

If they think it will help themselves, the NBA will do it. They aren't trying to help the players or colleges- don't kid yourselves.

[ErieHog]

NBA making requirements for employment is no different than a bank requiring a collge degree, or a business requiring a certain amount of experience. No hypocrisy there.

If they think it will help themselves, the NBA will do it. They aren't trying to help the players or colleges- don't kid yourselves.

Yeah, it is;  federal law establishes age as a protected class, when it comes to employment, and a restriction based directly upon age is never going to hold up, once there is actually time for a lawsuit to get into the system and be resolved.

[OldCoot]

NBA making requirements for employment is no different than a bank requiring a collge degree, or a business requiring a certain amount of experience. No hypocrisy there.

If they think it will help themselves, the NBA will do it. They aren't trying to help the players or colleges- don't kid yourselves.

Big difference.  Their restrictions have no relationship with the skill set the NBA has.

[immahog]

IMO if you can go a fight an die for this great country of ours

you should be able to live the american dream make millions an support ya family

[TheRazorbackGuy]

Look at the one and done's this year.... Anthony Bennett, Nerlens Noel, Ben McClemore, Shabazz Muhammad, and Archie Goodwin.  Noel is hurt, but the rest of these guys aren't really doing anything, none of them were ready to come out this year.  If my team would have drafted any of these guys I'd be upset.  Give me a Victor Oladipo (JR), Michael Carter Williams (SO), Trey Burke (SO), Tim Hardaway (JR), or Tony Snell (JR) over every single one of those one and done's.

The two and done rule will be brilliant for college hoops. Big time recruits might go to other major conference schools if they feel a sophomore will have their spot. Also the one and dones this year have proven a two and done system will help the NBA and college hoops. I believe this is a brilliant idea!

[bigredone]

If the NCAA is really concerned with the status of student athletes they can change the rules on scholarships. If a scholarship is awarded a player it is set aside for that player only for 4 years. If he leaves early for any reason other than transfer, criminal activity, or coaching change the school has to leave that scholarship open for the time remaining. If the kid transfers to another school that school in turn picks up the remaining liability of the scholarship. If the kid is found guilty of a felony the school should be able to dismiss the liability of the scholarship. Most changes resulting from a coaching change is a transfer and that is covered. I could see letting a school off the hook for a kid quitting early to go pro during a coaching change.

Coaches would be looking for kids that would stay for at least a couple of seasons in school. College sports are not intended to be the minor leagues for the pro sports. It would stop the one and done as it is currently practiced at KY. Cal would need a tub of KY to make things easier.

[TheRazorbackGuy]

If the NCAA is really concerned with the status of student athletes they can change the rules on scholarships. If a scholarship is awarded a player it is set aside for that player only for 4 years. If he leaves early for any reason other than transfer, criminal activity, or coaching change the school has to leave that scholarship open for the time remaining. If the kid transfers to another school that school in turn picks up the remaining liability of the scholarship. If the kid is found guilty of a felony the school should be able to dismiss the liability of the scholarship. Most changes resulting from a coaching change is a transfer and that is covered. I could see letting a school off the hook for a kid quitting early to go pro during a coaching change.

Coaches would be looking for kids that would stay for at least a couple of seasons in school. College sports are not intended to be the minor leagues for the pro sports. It would stop the one and done as it is currently practiced at KY. Cal would need a tub of KY to make things easier.

I don't think four years is necessary I like the two years and done idea. Its brilliant in every sense

[husker71]

Wilbon said tonight that he is convinced this is Cals last year.  You cant win with one and done (says Wilbon) and the year they did win it with Davis, Kidd Gilchrist and Teague as freshmen starters was an aberration not the norm no mater what freshmen he brings in.  I was thinking the other day about any freshman guard trying to bring the ball down vs Beck and McDaniel.  It would kill that guard both physically and mentally.

[TheRazorbackGuy]

Wilbon said tonight that he is convinced this is Cals last year.  You cant win with one and done (says Wilbon) and the year they did win it with Davis, Kidd Gilchrist and Teague as freshmen starters was an aberration not the norm no mater what freshmen he brings in.  I was thinking the other day about any freshman guard trying to bring the ball down vs Beck and McDaniel.  It would kill that guard both physically and mentally.

Why would Calipara leave Kentucky? He gets paid lots of $$$$$

[Hawg Red]

Where is Calipari going to go? If he can't handle college freshmen, how's he going to handle NBA players? Didn't work out too well for him the first time and I don't see that changing based on his struggles at UK. That should be a really easy (relative) job.

[TheRazorbackGuy]

Where is Calipari going to go? If he can't handle college freshmen, how's he going to handle NBA players? Didn't work out too well for him the first time and I don't see that changing based on his struggles at UK. That should be a really easy (relative) job.

Calipara leaving Kentucky is just rumors... it won't happen

[BrassNunchucks]

I'm of the mindset (have been for years) that a kid should have to earn at least an associates degree to play professional sports. With all the money these players get, and its more each year, it's not smart to allow them to just "knucklehead" their way through school. Because what happens when they get that money, and are still knuckleheadd? DWI/dui's are on the rise and major crimes committed by these guys who think they're untouchable because they've never HAD to do anything.

Because they have a specialized skill set that few people in the world possess. There's a limited number of world-class athletes capable of playing professional sports, just like there are a limited number of world-class nuclear physicists, CEOs, etc. In an ideal world it would be great if every person got an education and didn't mismanage their money, but while you could require a plumber to get a degree, you can't require LeBron James to because nobody can do what LeBron James does. [LBJ actually handles his money very well and stays out of trouble, btw]

[husker71]

go back to the pros with a bigger name and a better understanding of how the pro game works    for those who don't think that will work I have two words for you  pete carroll

[Inhogswetrust]

You should not be denied any type of employment once you reach 18.  If a NBA teams wants to draft a 18 year old, so be it.  If not i think a 3 year college stay should be the minimum.

I know of at least one job that has both a minimum and maximum age to be hired. I met all the qualifications once for a job and was turned down because of my age. It was with the FAA. Almost ALL jobs have some form of criteria to be hired and sometimes there are age limits.

[jbcarol]

New NBA Commissioner Adam Silver is not only in favor of increasing the league age limit from 19 to 20, he wants to make a top priority.

Silver said the NBA's Board of Governors talked wit (sic) NCAA President Mark Emmert about steps that could be taken to make that happen.

"If we're going to be successful in raising the age from 19 to 20, part and parcel in those negotiations goes to the treatment of players on those college campuses and closing the gap between what their scholarships cover and their expenses," Silver said. "We haven't looked specifically at creating a financial incentive for them to stay in college. That's been an option that has been raised over the years, but that's not something that is on the table right now."

[Danny J]

I hope he gets this done

[moses_007]

I don't think we've had a player bolt to the NBA after one year since Joe Johnson.

[CDBHawg]

I don't think we've had a player bolt to the NBA after one year since Joe Johnson.

Joe played two seasons.

[Pork Twain]

People should watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on the Fab 5.

[bruisemeister]

Personally, I don't mind the way Kentucky does it. I hate Kentucky(or jealous of their success-take your pick). However, lets compare the way it is now and the way it was if the players had to stay 3 years under Cal.
2010-Kentucky is #1 in the country and loses in the 4th rd to West Virginia. The cats had 4 freshmen and one sophomore taken in the first round of the NBA draft that season.
2011-Kentucky finishes 4th in the SEC but manages to win the SEC tourney and go to the final 4 before losing to UConn. They are led by a Freshman point guard who is taken in the first round of the that season's NBA draft. They also had a junior and senior taken in the 2nd round.
2012-Kentucky wins the national title. They have 3 Freshmen and one sophomore taken in that years NBA draft. They also have one sophomore and one senior taken in the 2nd round.
2013-Kentucky finishes 2nd in the SEC but fails to makes the NCAA tourney. They fall in the first round of the NIT to Robert Morris. They have 2 Freshmen taken in the first round of the NBA draft.
2014-Kentucky once again finishes 2nd in the SEC and fails to win the SEC tourney. However, they manage to make it into the national title game before falling to UConn. They start 5 Freshman and their two top reserves are sophomores.

To sum it up, Calipari has had one national title, 2 championship appearances, 3 Final Fours and 4 Great Eights in his 5 years at Kentucky. Imagine guys like Demarco Cousins and John Wall on the 2011 or 2012 teams. Imagine Brandon Knight, Anthony Davis or Michael Kidd-Gilcrist on the 2013 team with Archie Goodwin or Nerlens Noel. Just imagine these guys on this years team with Julius Randle and the Harrison twins. We are talking 4 national titles and one Great Eight. We are talking dynasty much like the John Wooden days at UCLA. No one wants that(except Wildcat fans). There is a silver lining even for Arkansas fans. Sure, we have not been to the NCAA tourney since John Pelphrey's first year but we have 4 wins against Kentucky and Mr. Calipari(who wanted Arkansas off his schedule because it lowered his teams RPI when he was at Memphis). It would be zero if the one and dones had to stay.

[gmarv]

the real question is how much better other teams would be when kentucky
has to leave good players for other teams to get.i think dynasty kentucky
would be no better than it is at this time. still very good but not ucla good.

[bigredone]

The NCAA needs to set its own rules regarding scholarships without regard to the NBA. One league has nothing to do with the other. The NCAA is not a minor league for the NBA, the NBA makes no investment.

The NBA started down the minor league route with the D League. If they want more young talent they should go all the way and have minor leagues with drafts for any HS kids that want to declare. Honestly, I can't stand what the NBA has become so it really doesn't matter to me what they do.

The NCAA should have some expectations that when a kid signs with a college there is at least some intention and ability to get a degree. The rules regarding eligibility and athletic scholarships should be based on qualified students that also want to participate in a given extra-curricular activity. College is not meant for morons that are lucky to spell their names correctly but can jump higher or run faster than average. There needs to be some way to regulate what happens when someone leaves early and the penalty needs to fall heavier on those that fail out (lose scholarship for remaining time student was supposed to be there). The penalty should be lighter for those students in good standing that leave early for better opportunity, maybe losing the scholarship for half the remaining time. This probably should not be limited to athletic scholarships but apply across the board.

College was not meant to replace minor leagues, it was meant for learning.

[Pork Twain]

Personally, I don't mind the way Kentucky does it. I hate Kentucky(or jealous of their success-take your pick). However, lets compare the way it is now and the way it was if the players had to stay 3 years under Cal.
2010-Kentucky is #1 in the country and loses in the 4th rd to West Virginia. The cats had 4 freshmen and one sophomore taken in the first round of the NBA draft that season.
2011-Kentucky finishes 4th in the SEC but manages to win the SEC tourney and go to the final 4 before losing to UConn. They are led by a Freshman point guard who is taken in the first round of the that season's NBA draft. They also had a junior and senior taken in the 2nd round.
2012-Kentucky wins the national title. They have 3 Freshmen and one sophomore taken in that years NBA draft. They also have one sophomore and one senior taken in the 2nd round.
2013-Kentucky finishes 2nd in the SEC but fails to makes the NCAA tourney. They fall in the first round of the NIT to Robert Morris. They have 2 Freshmen taken in the first round of the NBA draft.
2014-Kentucky once again finishes 2nd in the SEC and fails to win the SEC tourney. However, they manage to make it into the national title game before falling to UConn. They start 5 Freshman and their two top reserves are sophomores.

To sum it up, Calipari has had one national title, 2 championship appearances, 3 Final Fours and 4 Great Eights in his 5 years at Kentucky. Imagine guys like Demarco Cousins and John Wall on the 2011 or 2012 teams. Imagine Brandon Knight, Anthony Davis or Michael Kidd-Gilcrist on the 2013 team with Archie Goodwin or Nerlens Noel. Just imagine these guys on this years team with Julius Randle and the Harrison twins. We are talking 4 national titles and one Great Eight. We are talking dynasty much like the John Wooden days at UCLA. No one wants that(except Wildcat fans). There is a silver lining even for Arkansas fans. Sure, we have not been to the NCAA tourney since John Pelphrey's first year but we have 4 wins against Kentucky and Mr. Calipari(who wanted Arkansas off his schedule because it lowered his teams RPI when he was at Memphis). It would be zero if the one and dones had to stay.

Do other teams get to keep their players too or just Kentucky?

[GuvHog]

college basketball is good now but it would be great if this happens also I think the nba would benefit as well the last couple of draft classes as a whole have been trash for lack of a better word players would be able to develope more

Correct. The NBA is really watered down talent wise since the rules were changed to allow earlier draft entries. Players like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Akeem, "The Dream" Olajuan, Michael Jordan, and "Dr. J" in their primes could school the NBA players of today.

[jseinfeld50]

I don't think we've had a player bolt to the NBA after one year since Joe Johnson.

Actually it was after his sophomore year.

[Fatty McGee]

Correct. The NBA is really watered down talent wise since the rules were changed to allow earlier draft entries. Players like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Akeem, "The Dream" Olajuan, Michael Jordan, and "Dr. J" in their primes could school the NBA players of today.

That's unlikely.  They're great players, but so are LeBron, Chris Paul, Duncan, Dirk, etc.  It's unlikely anyone is "schooling" anyone else, as they are all amazing players. 

[hhicNaychaBoi]

what do yoy guys think about  players that declared for the draft but didn't get drafted. Do you think they should be able to come back and play college ball.  I think they should be able to come back. It would mqke the ncaa more competive and give guys another chance to prove thenselves.

[Pork Twain]

Correct. The NBA is really watered down talent wise since the rules were changed to allow earlier draft entries. Players like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Akeem, "The Dream" Olajuan, Michael Jordan, and "Dr. J" in their primes could school the NBA players of today.

Impossible to compare players from different eras.  Early entry has been shown to work with the NBA though

[jgphillips3]

I like the baseball model best.  Let a truly elite talent jump straight from high school if he can.  However, if he makes a commitment to a school, it should be for three years.  This best preserves the "right to work" out of high school and will make college ball vastly better by allowing teams time to develop.

[12247]

Humans should not be refused the right to earn a living and then a better living, etc.  College sports is a pay for play situation though its a scholarship that is the pay.  If colleges changed their agreements with players, the NBA would be fooling around with contracts and colleges should be able to extract handsome funds from the NBA to allow a player to break his agreement and move on.  We do this with coaches right now.

There are many ways this could work out but to limit anyone's right to better their job and compensation is not legal nor should it be.  We point to MLB but remember, there was a time when MLB had all players owned by the team they played for and finally, free agency was forced through the courts to disband that.  Colleges will either be happy being little centers where Big League teams come to mine away the best or they will become stiff competitors for the talent and find a way to make the leagues pay for the stealing of a colleges team's talent.  This could force colleges to sign players to multiyear deals.

[MountieDawg]

Where it will hurt Kentucky is keeping the players eligible.  These kids aren't going to class because they know they are about to be gona.  If they are forced to complete 3-4 semesters it may prevent some from having the grades... Albeit Kentucky would have to care and enforce that, but they'd probably keep them eligible even if they fail out of classes.

Florida doesn't have one and done players... Look what he's done.  Good players that he can coach up for 3-4 years.  This is still the year in and year out formula for success, just some kids refuse to be apart of it.  If Kentucky had any one of florida's upper class men among those freshman it would be scary, the closest they have is poythres, who Cal lights into often. 

That is a very uneducated statement that is just what you think. Kentucky has one of the highest GPAs in the SEC, alex Poytress and Willie Cauley Stein have 4.0 GPAs. Watch a Kentucky post game press conference and watch an Arkansas post game press conference and let me know who you think goes to class.

Just because kids are athletically talented you shouldn't assume they are idiots...

[MountieDawg]

Calipara leaving Kentucky is just rumors... it won't happen

He has handled freshman better than anyone else.