ESPN Source: Arkansas hires new DC

[Chief Mac]

How about criticize a hire after you see how the coach performs?.

Just bc he didn't hire a guy that's a dc at the power house university of memphis doesn't give you the right to down play our current Dc.

But I understand there is people in this world that if their not complaining they aren't living.

so we should always sing the same song and be on the same sheet of music rather than cuss/discuss on a message board?

mmmkay

[Chief Mac]

My lady is a Clemson fan.  She cheers for the Hogs but I don't cheer for Clemson.   

its Clemson....I can understand! 

[Chief Mac]

Everyone gets it. You don't like the hire. I repeat everyone gets it. You have made your stance known. We all get it. Can you please take a break now? Grab some water and watch some tv or something.

sure thing buddy!  Thanks for being the Hogville hall monitor!  Great job, gold star for you

[Chief Mac]

You're not disappointed because the hire is "underwhelming" or "bad." You're disappointed because you didn't get the specific guy you wanted.

thanks for reading my mind!  No, I would have not question any hire that had a resume that was robust and/or had the right connections.  There are a number of guys I would have loved to see get hired.  I will say that Odom was my favorite because of his recruiting abilities and the success he had at Mizzou and Memphis.  His resume was similar to Smith, so there isn't much there to indicate he could be the answer long term but I like his recruiting.  My disappointment is not about not getting a big name.  For the record, I have never said its a bad hire.  But lets not stop that from you and others bashing me for speaking my opinion and defending it repeatively in response to others.

As stated, I hope Robb Smith is the second coming of Saban and makes the Hogs a defensive power.  Nothing would make me happier to say that I was wrong when I called this a "underwhelming hire".  I man up when I'm wrong and won't have a problem after seeing results on the field

[Chief Mac]

You think Chip Kelly had traditional recruiting ties to Oregon when they hired him away from New Hampshire?

do you know the make-up of the Oregon staff when they hired Kelly?  Did they need a coach with recruiting ties?

You're smart enough to know that each situation/hiring is unique.  One is not the same as another.  Perhaps Kelly being hired was a similar situation, perhaps not.

[Peter Porker]

do you know the make-up of the Oregon staff when they hired Kelly?  Did they need a coach with recruiting ties?

You're smart enough to know that each situation/hiring is unique.  One is not the same as another.  Perhaps Kelly being hired was a similar situation, perhaps not.

And you're smart enough to know that you don't know 5% of what went into Coach Bielema's decision in hiring Smith over other candidates.

What I don't get is you know this is the same guy that hired Chaney, Pittman, Partridge,  Shannon, etc yet you don't trust him on this hire.

[Chief Mac]

And you're smart enough to know that you don't know 5% of what went into Coach Bielema's decision in hiring Smith over other candidates.

What I don't get is you know this is the same guy that hired Chaney, Pittman, Partridge,  Shannon, etc yet you don't trust him on this hire.

You're right.  He does have a track record of hiring quality assistants.  It just struck me as an odd choice given we only have one guy on staff with any relationships with Texas high schools and only three with ties to any state in our traditional recruiting areas. 

[PorkRinds]

You're right.  He does have a track record of hiring quality assistants.  It just struck me as an odd choice given we only have one guy on staff with any relationships with Texas high schools and only three with ties to any state in our traditional recruiting areas.

Our traditional recruiting areas have not gotten us to the next level in recruiting.  Maybe a new focus on New Jersey (which is a huge recruiting area) is a better option.  Texas now has four major schools to contend with in recruiting and a few smaller schools like Houston as well.  Maybe New Jersey connections can help us widen our recruiting base.  I'll trust that CBB has a plan. 

[secfan30]

You're right.  He does have a track record of hiring quality assistants.  It just struck me as an odd choice given we only have one guy on staff with any relationships with Texas high schools and only three with ties to any state in our traditional recruiting areas. 

I will always believe Texas has to be recruited hard. What I am wondering is, the traditional recruiting areas you mention, have not given us any type of championship since 1989. Maybe the hires with different recruiting region ties is a way to get a few people to get us there that we would never have a shot at before.

Just a thought and like everyone else on the board I could be wrong.

[Chief Mac]

I will always believe Texas has to be recruited hard. What I am wondering is, the traditional recruiting areas you mention, have not given us any type of championship since 1989. Maybe the hires with different recruiting region ties is a way to get a few people to get us there that we would never have a shot at before.

Just a thought and like everyone else on the board I could be wrong.

count me as one of those that believe we can't do what we've done for years and not expect the same results.  We do have to get creative in our recruiting which is why I'm estatic we are giving more than just lip service to recruiting in south Florida and having success.  Arkansas will have to recruit nationally in order to increase our talent level.  Furthering the Florida pipeline and opening up NJ further is not a bad thing at all.  That being said, while I'm against relying solely on Texas and instate talent as our primary sources, we still need to pull about 5 kids, on average, from Texas each year.  Too much talent and, as some others have stated, a large number of our current students come from there.  The location makes it easy for athletes and their parents.  Neglecting Texas is not something we should do. 

Anyways, I'm anxious to see what Smith can do with our defense.  If the guy gets us to top 25 level performance, he is worth double what he is going to get paid

[LZH]

sure thing buddy!  Thanks for being the Hogville hall monitor!  Great job, gold star for you

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

Better candidates in your eyes, not coach's

Not necessarily.   Lesser candidates get hired all the time over better candidates.   Personalities, perceived power threats, GOBN, etc.   Better rethink that.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

And you're smart enough to know that you don't know 5% of what went into Coach Bielema's decision in hiring Smith over other candidates.

What I don't get is you know this is the same guy that hired Chaney, Pittman, Partridge,  Shannon, etc yet you don't trust him on this hire.

Was this Bielema's first choice? I don't know, but I believe this guy will be good. I also believe, based on Bielema's comments, that Ash and Bielema agreed to part ways because Bielema and Ash wanted different things from the defense. I believe that Bielema wanted more of an attacking/pressure style of defense instead of laying against the ropes and taking body shots like we did last year. Smith knows how to teach this and recruit to that style of defense.

[opineonswine]

Was this Bielema's first choice? I don't know, but I believe this guy will be good. I also believe, based on Bielema's comments, that Ash and Bielema agreed to part ways because Bielema and Ash wanted different things from the defense. I believe that Bielema wanted more of an attacking/pressure style of defense instead of laying against the ropes and taking body shots like we did last year. Smith knows how to teach this and recruit to that style of defense.

Crystal clear to me. 

[BorderPatrol]

count me as one of those that believe we can't do what we've done for years and not expect the same results.  We do have to get creative in our recruiting which is why I'm estatic we are giving more than just lip service to recruiting in south Florida and having success.  Arkansas will have to recruit nationally in order to increase our talent level.  Furthering the Florida pipeline and opening up NJ further is not a bad thing at all.  That being said, while I'm against relying solely on Texas and instate talent as our primary sources, we still need to pull about 5 kids, on average, from Texas each year.  Too much talent and, as some others have stated, a large number of our current students come from there.  The location makes it easy for athletes and their parents.  Neglecting Texas is not something we should do. 

Anyways, I'm anxious to see what Smith can do with our defense.  If the guy gets us to top 25 level performance, he is worth double what he is going to get paid

We get that you think we should hit Texas a little harder, but I don't get why you think we should pull 20% of each class from that state, when we could be getting better talent in other parts of the country than the 20% you are wanting to pull from Texas.

bp

[GlassofSwine]

Was this Bielema's first choice? I don't know, but I believe this guy will be good. I also believe, based on Bielema's comments, that Ash and Bielema agreed to part ways because Bielema and Ash wanted different things from the defense. I believe that Bielema wanted more of an attacking/pressure style of defense instead of laying against the ropes and taking body shots like we did last year. Smith knows how to teach this and recruit to that style of defense.

I definitely agree with Bielema and Ash parting ways being mutual. I think this is part of the learning curve of BB coming to the SEC. Bringing Ash with him from Wisconsin he obviously liked him as a coach but I think he realized this year our defense couldn't play that style and be successful.

[Peter Porker]

This was a fun topic to read while sitting on the toilet.

[Wildhog]

This was a fun topic to read while sitting on the toilet.

Good Lord I was on the ledge, recruiting-wise.

Those were some dark times.

[Ex-Trumpet]

This was a fun topic to read while sitting on the toilet.

Lol!! 

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

I'm sure I had a negative Robb Smith post in there somewhere.  Thank you Robb Smith for proving me wrong.  Credit Coach Smith for the job he has done and Coach B for having an eye for coaching talent.  Very good article on Smith today in the ADG.

Can't imagine anyone coming in in less than a year and doing a better job.  Now if Jim Chaney could only prove me wrong I'd be so happy.

[ifghog]

Was this Bielema's first choice? I don't know, but I believe this guy will be good. I also believe, based on Bielema's comments, that Ash and Bielema agreed to part ways because Bielema and Ash wanted different things from the defense. I believe that Bielema wanted more of an attacking/pressure style of defense instead of laying against the ropes and taking body shots like we did last year. Smith knows how to teach this and recruit to that style of defense.

Lord you were sure spot on!

[aar0n]

This is a perfect lesson on not jumping to conclusions before you know anything about a coach/person.  Hogville wouldn't be Hogville without knee-jerk reactions by people who are clueless about the situation.

[Wildhog]

I'm sure I had a negative Robb Smith post in there somewhere.  Thank you Robb Smith for proving me wrong.  Credit Coach Smith for the job he has done and Coach B for having an eye for coaching talent.  Very good article on Smith today in the ADG.

Can't imagine anyone coming in in less than a year and doing a better job.  Now if Jim Chaney could only prove me wrong I'd be so happy.

I didn't have a problem with his x's and o's.  Rutgers always seemed to be able to do more with less on D.  Now, I was still reeling from losing Partridge, and very worried about our recruiting ties in S Florida.

[elksnort]

I was happy to see that my post #184 was a wait and see approach. 

[Wildhog]

Glad to see I never gave him any crap on actually running a defense.  I was just concerned about recruiting, considering we lost Partridge.  Can't remember if this was after the Segrest hire.  That would have added fuel.

[Hoggie17]

Glad to see I never gave him any crap on actually running a defense.  I was just concerned about recruiting, considering we lost Partridge.  Can't remember if this was after the Segrest hire.  That would have added fuel.

I never made a comment, but he like Mike Anderson had been successful at every stop. 

[jmb1973]

Middle finger to whoever bumped this!!!! OMG I saw the thread title at the top of MMQB and almost started breaking things.

[Smokehouse]

This thread popping back up scared me to death. I thought something had happened to Robb Smith.

[TMc]

Maybe now.., we can all agree the Bielema knows what he's looking for in a coach. 

[ZERO]

This is a perfect lesson on not jumping to conclusions before you know anything about a coach/person.  Hogville wouldn't be Hogville without knee-jerk reactions by people who are clueless about the situation.

Any time there's any moderate shakeup of any kind, a bunch of morons will always spew some venom and then later act like nothing happened when they're wrong.

[RazorPiggie]

Maybe now.., we can all agree the Bielema knows what he's looking for in a coach. 

Exactly. Chris was pretty fired up in this thread.

[jgphillips3]

Whoever revived this should be killed for the heart attack I nearly had when I thought we lost Robb Smith.

[redeye]

Lord you were sure spot on!

He certainly was.  And I can remember reading that and really hoping he would be right.  I'm still not sure if Smith is a good recruiter, but at this point, does anyone really care anymore?  I think it goes to show how important coaching is to the game of football, although some will always believe that stars are all that matter.

[IBleedRazorbackRed]

I'm relieved to see I wasn't a Robb Smith badger like some folks were. No crow eating for me

[jgphillips3]

He certainly was.  And I can remember reading that and really hoping he would be right.  I'm still not sure if Smith is a good recruiters, but at this point, does anyone really care anymore?  I think it goes to show how important coaching is to the game of football, although some will always believe that stars are all that matter.

Hey, anyone that can coach defense like that can skip recruiting for all I care.  I haven't seen a Razorback defense this fundamentally sound since at least the Goldsmith days.

[razorbackinva]

Whoever revived this should be killed for the heart attack I nearly had when I thought we lost Robb Smith.

I agree.... I was like just when we had a glimpse of hope...  LOL

[Hog1966]

Whoever revived this should be killed for the heart attack I nearly had when I thought we lost Robb Smith.

I agree!!! Unbump!!!! 

[DLUXHOG]

Ironic.... but we never know what we've got till its gone.....

[Biggus Piggus]

This thread is solid gold.

[Peter Porker]

This thread popping back up scared me to death. I thought something had happened to Robb Smith.

Lol!!!!! I didn't even think about that. Sorry, fellas.

[The_Iceman]

Maybe now.., we can all agree the Bielema knows what he's looking for in a coach. 

Robb Smith, Clay Jennings, Randy Shannon, Sam Pittman.... yeah, I trust Bielema.

[Cinco de Hogo]

Something else ironic about this thread.  Who are the one going ballistic when a poster mentions that there might be a shakeup on the offensive side after the season is over. The LSU game might be an indicator of great things to come or the next 2-3 games might be more of the same.  Who knows but right now I still say we might see something happen at QB/WR/RB.  When that thread starts it will probably look just like this one, lol!

[Wildhog]

Robb Smith, Clay Jennings, Randy Shannon, Sam Pittman.... yeah, I trust Bielema.

Have talked about this several times at work.  He really does seem to know how to pick assistants. 

I was cautiously optimistic when we hired CBB, and at times last year I had my concerns.  But I have become a huge CBB fan this season.  I'm all in. 

[secneahog]

2012 Rutgers defense ranked 4th in scoring..6th in the run..  10 overall. 

If we can get our defense to that point I'll be super happy.

Ya'll keep bashing the guy.. just shows your ignorance

Bam.

[Pork Twain]

LZ we do have an agenda.....wanting the Hogs to be successful.  On that, we will always be in agreeance

Umm, that is not a real word

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Have talked about this several times at work.  He really does seem to know how to pick assistants. 

I was cautiously optimistic when we hired CBB, and at times last year I had my concerns.  But I have become a huge CBB fan this season.  I'm all in. 

I think for the most part good assistants want to come work for him as well for several reasons.

1.  He's not a total d***
2.  He's not a micromanager.
3.  He's actually a pretty decent/fun guy.
4.  He's not a glory hog.  He gives the assistants credit when deserved.
5.  He's loyal.
6.  Has had coaches leave to be HC's.
7.  He is a straight shooter.  He's not two faced, won't throw you under the bus, but I'm sure he lays out reasonable expectations.

[Pork Twain]

Has it?  Another solid hire by BB.  This guy has done great things at every stop.

This guy gets it.

[Peter Porker]

This guy gets it.

Ha!

[Pork Twain]

This thread is exactly why I tell my daughters to NEVER sext boys because once it is out there, it can never be taken back.

[Calling All Hogs]

Whoever revived this should be killed for the heart attack I nearly had when I thought we lost Robb Smith.

I second that. Even if the replacement had been Muschamp or Kirby Smart, I still would be upset to lose Robb Smith. I guess that says a lot for Robb.