Sr Associate HC - Randy Shannon

[Tim Harris]

This still allows Shannon to go out and recruit more than if he was a DC.

How is that?

[Hogsmo Kramer]

It didn't affect the class.

You know ^^^This^^^ how?

Thomas, Jackson, Rhaheed, Young, etc. all defensive guys, all recruits that some thought we might have a shot at.

Some were long shots admittedly but you have no idea whether or not having a DC hurt our chances with them or not and IMO it couldn't have helped.

We land a good DC hire maybe we grab just one off that list but instead we appear to be flailing after losing out on all 4.

[Porkatarian]

So I guess Bo does NOT know?

Smith was one of 3 candidates brought in for 2nd interviews.


Porkatarian out...

[LZH]

You know ^^^This^^^ how?

Thomas, Jackson, Rhaheed, Young, etc. all defensive guys, all recruits that some thought we might have a shot at.

Some were long shots admittedly but you have no idea whether or not having a DC hurt our chances with them or not and IMO it couldn't have helped.

We land a good DC hire maybe we grab just one off that list but instead we appear to be flailing after losing out on all 4.

Anyone who says differently won't allow themselves to see the truth.

[online-with-swine]

CBB heard that Butch Davis is interested and has decided to pursue that option.




















not really

[Hawginj]

Smith was one of 3 candidates brought in for 2nd interviews.


Porkatarian out...

ok Smith, Odom, and who? GO Hogs!

[Atlhogfan1]

You know ^^^This^^^ how?

Thomas, Jackson, Rhaheed, Young, etc. all defensive guys, all recruits that some thought we might have a shot at.

Some were long shots admittedly but you have no idea whether or not having a DC hurt our chances with them or not and IMO it couldn't have helped.

We land a good DC hire maybe we grab just one off that list but instead we appear to be flailing after losing out on all 4.

Some were longshots?   

We didn't lose something we never had.  And we aren't flailing.  We are recruiting how Arkansas normally recruits.  A DC wasn't going to fix our recruiting issue especially the specifics with these recruits.  A DC wasn't going to put Arkansas' academic rep on par with Stanford's. 

[online-with-swine]

Smith was one of 3 candidates brought in for 2nd interviews.


Porkatarian out...

Would you be interested in naming the other 2?   I figure Odom the second but who would be the 3rd?

[HumpinHog]

Smith was one of 3 candidates brought in for 2nd interviews.


Porkatarian out...

So, as far recruiting goes, the big NSA secret jig, didn't bring crap?

[cosmodrum]

I'm so mad I was late to this thread.

[Porkatarian]

ok Smith, Odom, and who? GO Hogs!

I don't know the 3rd.


Porkatarian out...

[DukeOfPork]

Can we just make Shannon the head coach and make CBB the Associate? Just saying.

Shannon's record as a head coach is abysmal when compared to Bielema.

You guys have a lot of problems with logic.

[Hawginj]

I don't know the 3rd.


Porkatarian out...

well alright this could be interesting thanks Pork. Go Hogs!

[Hogsmo Kramer]

Some were longshots?   

We didn't lose something we never had.  And we aren't flailing.  We are recruiting how Arkansas normally recruits.  A DC wasn't going to fix our recruiting issue especially the specifics with these recruits.  A DC wasn't going to put Arkansas' academic rep on par with Stanford's.

Keep telling yourself that having no DC had no effect on our recruiting.

If I'm taking a job I wanna know who my boss is not just my immediate supervisor.

[Ex-Trumpet]

Keep telling yourself that having no DC had no effect on our recruiting.

If I'm taking a job I wanna know who my boss is not just my immediate supervisor.

THIIIIISSSSSSS!!!!!

[Ex-Trumpet]

Keep telling yourself that having no DC had no effect on our recruiting.

If I'm taking a job I wanna know who my boss is not just my immediate supervisor.

Or their philosophy...and based on last year's defense, I cannot comment on a philosophy.  That guy is gone.

[Oliver]

THIIIIISSSSSSS!!!!!

Yeah.  I understand the waiting on naming Randy Shannon thing some.  This delay on the DC hire makes zero sense to me.

[IBleedRazorbackRed]

You know ^^^This^^^ how?

Thomas, Jackson, Rhaheed, Young, etc. all defensive guys, all recruits that some thought we might have a shot at.

Some were long shots admittedly but you have no idea whether or not having a DC hurt our chances with them or not and IMO it couldn't have helped.

We land a good DC hire maybe we grab just one off that list but instead we appear to be flailing after losing out on all 4.

Good job using Rhaheed, somebody we backed off on, to support your argument. If these guys had any concerns about our DC, they would have brought them up whenever asked by reporters about concerns of coming here.

[Tarheelhawg]

Wow, I really needed to laugh today. Thanks!  If after 7 days, there is still no DC; then perhaps , we don't need no stinking Defensive Coordinator.  It will be clear by then...

[Oliver]

Good job using Rhaheed, somebody we backed off on, to support your argument. If these guys had any concerns about our DC, they would have brought them up whenever asked by reporters about concerns of coming here.

Why would we "back off" of Rhaheed?  I mean he only plays the position we are in the most dire need of. 

[LZH]

Keep telling yourself that having no DC had no effect on our recruiting.

If I'm taking a job I wanna know who my boss is not just my immediate supervisor.

+1.

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rotflmao

[Arkansas Fan]

Keep telling yourself that having no DC had no effect on our recruiting.

If I'm taking a job I wanna know who my boss is not just my immediate supervisor.

And where's your proof that not having a DC effected getting Thomas and Jackson?

[Atlhogfan1]

Keep telling yourself that having no DC had no effect on our recruiting.

If I'm taking a job I wanna know who my boss is not just my immediate supervisor.

We didn't have many positions left to be taken and the ones you listed had better job offers.  It didn't matter who their supervisor was going to be at Arkansas. 

[RazorPiggie]

How is that?

Don't position coaches do most of the recruiting anyways? I thought they get to get out and visit recruits more so than Coordinators. I'm probably wrong but that's what I thought.

[hawgXi]

The "third" interview call back could have been with RS?

[Hogsmo Kramer]

And where's your proof that not having a DC effected getting Thomas and Jackson?

Give me one way that not having a named DC helps us in recruiting.

[Ex-Trumpet]

Wow, I really needed to laugh today. Thanks!  If after 7 days, there is still no DC; then perhaps , we don't need no stinking Defensive Coordinator.  It will be clear by then...

Pretty sure we didn't have one last year.

[RazorPiggie]

I'm so mad I was late to this thread.

Slacker

[Hogsmo Kramer]

We didn't have many positions left to be taken and the ones you listed had better job offers.  It didn't matter who their supervisor was going to be at Arkansas.

We've gotten guys with "better job offers" before.

I'm not saying we for sure would have gotten any of those guys if we had a DC in place but MAYBE it might have helped depending who it was.

I just don't see any benefit to waiting to announce it unless it was the Randy Shannon Miami contract thing which we now know it wasn't since he's not being named DC.

[Arkansas Fan]

Give me one way that not having a named DC helps us in recruiting.

You could say "we'll hire a DC that knows how to use you in his defense if you come here".

[Hogsmo Kramer]

You could say "we'll hire a DC that knows how to use you in his defense if you come here".

You cannot be serious.

Yep I can see how that would foster a ton of confidence.

[Tim Harris]

Don't position coaches do most of the recruiting anyways? I thought they get to get out and visit recruits more so than Coordinators. I'm probably wrong but that's what I thought.

I don't think that is the case. We have just had DCs who weren't known as great recruiters.

[S.A.D.C]

Give me one way that not having a named DC helps us in recruiting.

No one can say they don't like our DC.

[Hogsmo Kramer]

No one can say they don't like our DC.

Lol, well there's that I guess. 

[DoctorSusscrofa]

Pretty sure we didn't have one last year.

Although I'm a BB supporter, I gotta admit there were times when we were clearly defensive, but not coordinated.

[lilRockNDubb]

Well, maybe because the man who keeps 3 names of assistant coaches at each position, just in case he loses an assistant is STILL saying in the next 7 days.

Oh, and though I know that it doesn't matter, I'd prefer Odom to Smith.

I'm thinking he threw that list away

[Arkansas Fan]

You cannot be serious.

Yep I can see how that would foster a ton of confidence.

I'm just glad Bielema's our HC and not you.

[Atlhogfan1]

Don't position coaches do most of the recruiting anyways? I thought they get to get out and visit recruits more so than Coordinators. I'm probably wrong but that's what I thought.

Position coaches have more time to recruit during the season than do coordinators.  It is good not to have Shannon tied up with coordinator duties. 

[Hogsmo Kramer]

I'm just glad Bielema's our HC and not you.

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[Inhogswetrust]

This is getting kind of ridiculous.  How long has it been since we had a DC?

About as long as we've had dumb fans making dumb statements and asking dumb questions about it.........................

[OldCoot]

So he basically will have a superior title to the DC. It will be nice to have 2 solid defensive coaches like Shannon and Robb Smith on staff.

That is not a superior title.  You have HC then Coordinators.  Everything else is window dressing.

[DoctorSusscrofa]

That is not a superior title.  You have HC then Coordinators.  Everything else is window dressing.

Not necessarily.  All depends on what authority the HC actually gives each.  These titles are not set in stone by all of college football.  The HC or AD sets policy on what authority these positions have.

[RazorPiggie]

Position coaches have more time to recruit during the season than do coordinators.  It is good not to have Shannon tied up with coordinator duties. 

This is what I was trying to say. I feel like I always hear about the position coaches out and about more-so than the coordinators. +1

[superior_wang]

ok,  please take note, i am PRAISING CBB.  Very happy we have RS on staff.   +1 CBB.

[PorkSoda]

So I guess Bo does NOT know?

I think Bo stole his thunder, so now he is waiting a week to let the pot stew and announce Robb Smith with appropriate fan fair.

[Hoggish1]

what title is that?  Seriously what does it mean.  Are there any other examples in the SEC? 

Whay does it have to mean anything to Hogville, you or me or anybody?  Apparently, if you need something to hold on to, it at least means RS will not be going anywhere and is rewarded for his recruiting capacity/capabilities.

And to ell with the SEC.  We do it our way here, not the way others thing it should be.

[PorkSoda]

what title is that?  Seriously what does it mean.

Well it seems to imply that we have a jr associate lackey on staff or soon to be on staff.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Best part of Hogville is that people are having fun with it.

[IBleedRazorbackRed]

Why would we "back off" of Rhaheed?  I mean he only plays the position we are in the most dire need of.

I'm not on the coaching staff, but it probably had something to do with the same reason every other school backed off on him. There's probably a reason he signed with Louisville. The fact that he's barely 200 lbs might be part of it. Idk their reasoning. But I don know Shannon is one of the best linebacker coaches in the country, so if he doesn't want to pursue someone I'll trust him.