A true point guard (Baylor lean)

[Dirty]

This is what we are missing.

King McClure are you listening?

[Pigonometry]

Yep.  Can't way to see Madden at the 2 guard next year when he doesn't have to be the primary ball handler.

[hogfan10]

This is what we are missing.

King McClure are you listening?

Madden isn't too bad at point, problem is he is the only consistent shooter we have at the guard position. He's also the only player on the team that can drive the basket consistently, he just doesn't have any shooters to kick it out to.

[The Hogfather]

bull!!!  Stop saying this!

[zxbeer]

 C.Fortson was the last true point guard at Arkansas. I hated the way he would not give up the ball when he others were open,but he was a play maker....... we need a play maker.

[DoubleReedHawgCaller]

A PG and a couple big bangers....

[Dirty]

bull!!!  Stop saying this!

Stupid!  You don't know what a true PG is!

[The Hogfather]

We have a bunch of clueless "fans" who think they know what it takes to win.  "Men", "A True PG", blah, blah, blah. 

[root_hawg]

As Larry Johnson once said..."you need to go recruit some men"

[Dirty]

We have a bunch of clueless "fans" who think they know what it takes to win.  "Men", "A True PG", blah, blah, blah. 

Mayberry
Beck
Reid
Forston
Madden

Rank them please Mr Hogfotter

[PigDaddyKane]

I'm beginning to think it is more than a point guard.

[The Hogfather]

I'm beginning to think it is more than a point guard.

Ya think?  Understatement of the year.

[arkfan81]

I'm beginning to think it is more than a point guard.

Theres a reason we get out rebounded and beaten on the boards. We stand and watch on offense..

[SloppinItandLovnIt]

Hey I heard a rumor from a guy that all we need is a Point Guard to be successful? Has anyone else heard this?

[klp1]

As Larry Johnson once said..."you need to go recruit some men"

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[The Hogfather]

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[The Hogfather]

The main thing we're missing is basketball players, mainly ones who can shoot.

[root_hawg]

Only thing we are missing is shooters and rebounders...oh yeah basketball players

[Dirty]

A point guard that can penetrate the lane has several choices;

Take the shot
Dish to a big man when they close in on him
Dish it to a three point shooter when they close in on him

Or do what we do now, pass it around the perimeter and shoot a contested three.


You guys are right, we don't need one.  My bad!

[hogsanity]

Mike has had 3 classes and whiffed at pg all while leaving scholarships unfilled.

[root_hawg]

Well the number 25 pg in the nation and 109th player in the country is coming

[rude1]

I didn't know "true point guards" were responsible for cleaning up the defensive boards.........Unless its Magic Johnson, I don't think that's going to help a lot.

[chiti66]

I'm beginning to think it is more than a point guard.

Precisely!  If we employ the same system, especially on D.......don't run the offense through the post........don't get in the weight room.......a true PG will have little affect.

[Dirty]

I didn't know "true point guards" were responsible for cleaning up the defensive boards.........Unless its Magic Johnson, I don't think that's going to help a lot.

Rebounding had nothing to do with this thread.  Learn to read the topic.

[devildoghawg]

We lose basketball games because we don't rebound, and we leave guys open for stupid threes when it matters most.  Think about every close game we have lost this year.  Each one has started with a bad rebound and then a dropped man and drained 3.  A point guard ain't going to fix this, but a new system will. No reason that this team shouldnt be perfect at home, and atleast 2 wins on the road with the talent we have on the roster.  This is a coaching and system issue.

[maxhog5]

I'm beginning to think it is more than a point guard.

It is.  A true point guard would help, but next game, at least for an extended period, instead of watching the ball, watch Arkansas run its offense.  They don't have a clue.  Spacing is awful and they don't know how or when to cut and screen.  When is the last time you saw a guard get into the gaps, draw the defense and either hit a cutter or kick out for a three?  This year have you seen a ball go down low, come back out for an open three or the ball come back out, the post man reestablish and get the ball back for a bucket?  This team does not know how to run its offense.  They are just running around without a clue.  There is either bad coaching or no basketball i.q. or both going on.

[Boardon Hamsay]

A PG and a couple big bangers....

This is said a lot here and I do agree. The thing is, I wonder if Mike can recruit/coach/develop a big?  What big wants to come here when our current "bigs"are out passing the ball around the perimeter waiting for the first semi open shot to be thrown up?  We don't try to get the ball down low. There's no half court sets. No hi low stuff.  To me, we need a PG, a couple bigs, and MA to actually try adapting the offense beyond run and throw up 20 footers.

[The Hogfather]

A point guard that can penetrate the lane has several choices;

Take the shot
Dish to a big man when they close in on him
Dish it to a three point shooter when they close in on him

Or do what we do now, pass it around the perimeter and shoot a contested three.


You guys are right, we don't need one.  My bad!

This IS KY MADDEN!!!  We have no other true, consistent scoring options.

[Dirty]

This IS KY MADDEN!!!  We have no other true, consistent scoring options.

He can pass to himself?

[WashUhog6]

Is it possible that our deficiencies at certain positions is the fault of our coach/system and not the players? We all though Mickelson was soft and had no inside game because he was soft and always playing outside. The solution for that was our two 6-10 highly ranked freshman. What have we seen out of them? Portis has flashes but won't bang around inside, takes a lot of jump shots, and has multiple instances of soft play. The players are different but many of the same problems persist.

Based on that, how do we know that Beard will make any difference at all? If I were a betting man, I'd say we'll continue to see much of the same even with our "true PG."

[Kevin]

Our coach says this system does not need a true point guard

[rude1]

Rebounding had nothing to do with this thread.  Learn to read the topic.

Read the thread perfectly. It insinuated that a "true point guard" is what we are missing. We are getting killed on the offensive boards, how does "true point guard" change that? We lead the league in assists to buckets, and assists to turnovers. Yeah I would say "true point guard" would have us on our way.

[Dirty]

Read the thread perfectly. It insinuated that a "true point guard" is what we are missing. We are getting killed on the offensive boards, how does "true point guard" change that? We lead the league in assists to buckets, and assists to turnovers. Yeah I would say "true point guard" would have us on our way.

Cory Beck was a good rebounder!  That's what we need.  Happy!

[The Hogfather]

He can pass to himself?

No.  Precisely why saying we need a "true pg" is ridiculous.  We need just about everything but a true pg right now.  Ky is close enough.

[hoglady]

The main thing we're missing is basketball players, mainly ones who can shoot.

Amen.

[Dirty]

No.  Precisely why saying we need a "true pg" is ridiculous.  We need just about everything but a true pg right now.  Ky is close enough.

Did you watch the last minute of the Georgia game?  Who had the ball and didn't want to pass.  Then came overtime!

[Sir Oinksalot]

...let's try the big men outside and jack some threes, and let the smaller guys run around and use their
quickness to try and snag something....maybe Qualls could jump up real high and get one.

[The Hogfather]

Did you watch the last minute of the Georgia game?  Who had the ball and didn't want to pass.  Then came overtime!

No one else can score.  He has to try and do it by himself.

[rude1]

Cory Beck was a good rebounder!  That's what we need.  Happy!

Did you notice outstanding "true point guard" play from Mo.?  LOL

[hogsanity]

Our coach says this system does not need a true point guard

He says rebounding isn't important either.  He tends to downplay the importance of all the areas we are deficient in. Pg play rebounding perimeter D Half court offense. You know tge things you have to do to win games.

[HAM ELLIOT]

Hey I heard a rumor from a guy that all we need is a Point Guard to be successful? Has anyone else heard this?

Its a rumor!

[Boardon Hamsay]

He says rebounding isn't important either.  He tends to downplay the importance of all the areas we are deficient in. Pg play rebounding perimeter D Half court offense. You know tge things you have to do to win games.

This!  After tonight's game, I suspect that "getting the ball inside" will be the unimportant flavor of the week.  Then, when we have a cold night shooting from the perimeter and get housed by 40, "making 3s" will become unimportant.  Oh, I suppose there will also be the obligatory "we're close" or "we're there".

[Dirty]

I started this a few months ago and some folks said we didn't need it. Hmmm now they have changed their minds.

[Sow Lancelot]

Theres a reason we get out rebounded and beaten on the boards. We stand and watch on offense..

I honestly don't know if some of y'all even watch the games.  The reason we get out rebounded against a zone is because our offense puts us in a position NOT to rebound.  When we are zoned, our offense consists of four guys at or beyond the three-point line and a high post.  Yeah, we roll someone through the low post once per possession but we never look to pass it down.

The remedy for a lot of our woes is two-pronged: First, we need to work on shooting. If it's falling awesome. We beat the ever-loving snot out of Ole Miss ..........and got out rebounded. We need to develop the skill of shooting because it affects everything else we do. Second, we need a guard, YES, A POINT GUARD, that can penetrate and dish or kick it out. 

Until those things improve, we will see these god-awful performances 5 or 6 times per season.  It's the nature of what we do given our current talent and skill.

[The Hogfather]

I haven't changed my mind.  A "true pg" is not a huge need for this team.  We need better guards....period.  We need Portis/Kingsley to continue to progress.  And on and on and on.  I'm so tired of hearing this [CENSORED] phrase.  Do you guys think Russ Smith is a "true pg"?  How about the Harrison kid?

It is true we need better guards.  There were bigger needs than a "true pg".

[Rbill]

The main thing we're missing is basketball players, mainly ones who can shoot.

This, of course, is true. But I think it certainly includes a better PG, more so than any other position by far. So to say we don't need a better PG is incorrect.

That is to say I think it will help the team the most if we bring someone in that can control the game better, play consistently, lead, get to the basket under control, and feed the big men. That's what I think we need the most. I won't be disappointed if we simply get a more consistent shooting specialist, it certainly wouldn't hurt, but I want a PG.

[poloprince]

MClure isn't a pure pg btw. We need better guards period.

[Smokehouse]

C.Fortson was the last true point guard at Arkansas. I hated the way he would not give up the ball when he others were open,but he was a play maker....... we need a play maker.

We must have different definitions of "true PG"...

[FelixJonesorDMAC?]

I haven't changed my mind.  A "true pg" is not a huge need for this team.  We need better guards....period.  We need Portis/Kingsley to continue to progress.  And on and on and on.  I'm so tired of hearing this [CENSORED] phrase.  Do you guys think Russ Smith is a "true pg"?  How about the Harrison kid?

It is true we need better guards.  There were bigger needs than a "true pg".

There is no way you played any meaningful basketball if you don't think the number one priority on this team is at the point guard position, even Anderson recognizes this with next years recruiting class.  We didn't have a PG this year, we had players playing the point.  Big difference.  I played PG all my basketball career, I understand the importance of this position.

[Danny J]

MClure isn't a pure pg btw. We need better guards period.

Yep....we need guys who have all the skill sets a good guard would have thus being good. Usually but not always those guys are really highly rated coming out of HS.

If I were a coach running a motion offense I would never not ever recruit a guard not willing to or doesn't have the ability to make jump shots on a consistent basis. I am not throwing these guys under the bus but we need more Bell's and less Gulley's and Scott's.