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UA vs ASU
« on: December 12, 2013, 08:33:32 pm »

I've been debating this with some friends for quite a while now. They keep saying either a home & home or play every year at WMS. Here's how I see it happening (if it ever does) unless ASU elevates itself to a school better than the Sun Belt........

UA and ASU play every year in Fayetteville at DWRRS. UA pays ASU nothing or next to nothing, but allots them more tickets as the game will sell out easy. No way you do a home & home as the Hogs are not going to play in a stadium that seats about 30,000 and I mean no way ever. I get why fans would want to see it at WMS, but it will never happen there under the condition of the current facilities. Plus, I'm sure the WMS commission will want money for the game and you can forget that. The Hogs are already on there way out and may never return to WMS after the next five years.

Anyway, the game may never happen. But if it does, that's how I see it without some big wild card coming into play. Anyone think different?
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2013, 08:37:22 pm »

I've been debating this with some friends for quite a while now. They keep saying either a home & home or play every year at WMS. Here's how I see it happening (if it ever does) unless ASU elevates itself to a school better than the Sun Belt........

UA and ASU play every year in Fayetteville at DWRRS. UA pays ASU nothing or next to nothing, but allots them more tickets as the game will sell out easy. No way you do a home & home as the Hogs are not going to play in a stadium that seats about 30,000 and I mean no way ever. I get why fans would want to see it at WMS, but it will never happen there under the condition of the current facilities. Plus, I'm sure the WMS commission will want money for the game and you can forget that. The Hogs are already on there way out and may never return to WMS after the next five years.

Anyway, the game may never happen. But if it does, that's how I see it without some big wild card coming into play. Anyone think different?

It will never happen.  Period.  Ever.  Not once.  Not ever.   
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2013, 08:47:26 pm »

I like the idea of playing every year in WMS. Just let that be the Hogs only game of the year there. It would be a big hit.

People say our local legislature won't step in but IMBTO they should. We throw away too much money to out of state teams and the game would benefit both programs in the long term. Yes, eventually there would be a year ASU would win. I just don't see it having a catastrophic long term effect on the Hogs though.

It was Broyles policy that there was nothing to win and every thing to lose which was logical then and still has merit, but I think that game would strongly benefit high school football in Arkansas if marketed right. Kids grow up wanting to play for the Hogs, they get easy access to the WMS game, the Hogs don't offer them, they go to AsU and try to knock off the Hogs. It would make junior high and high school kids work harder and get more interested in football.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2013, 08:48:47 pm »

Nothing to gain. Everything to lose. No thanks.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2013, 08:54:39 pm »

I do not care to see ASU play the Razorbacks ....EVER!
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 08:55:39 pm »

If it ever happens the game should be played in WMS. Call it the Arkansas Children's Hospital Classic, with X amount tacked on to each ticket going directly to the hospital's coffers.

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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2013, 09:00:51 pm »

Please not this Crap again.  :puke:
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2013, 09:01:40 pm »

No.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2013, 09:03:43 pm »

OFFICIALLY....Its the offseason. 
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2013, 09:08:33 pm »

I've been debating this with some friends for quite a while now. They keep saying either a home & home or play every year at WMS. Here's how I see it happening (if it ever does) unless ASU elevates itself to a school better than the Sun Belt........

UA and ASU play every year in Fayetteville at DWRRS. UA pays ASU nothing or next to nothing, but allots them more tickets as the game will sell out easy. No way you do a home & home as the Hogs are not going to play in a stadium that seats about 30,000 and I mean no way ever. I get why fans would want to see it at WMS, but it will never happen there under the condition of the current facilities. Plus, I'm sure the WMS commission will want money for the game and you can forget that. The Hogs are already on there way out and may never return to WMS after the next five years.

Anyway, the game may never happen. But if it does, that's how I see it without some big wild card coming into play. Anyone think different?
Crazy  notion !  It would  be ASU super bowl ! Hogs could do nothing but bring down Arkansas as a whole. look even ASU fans root for hogs too! and most of us root for ASU- hence we are still one Arkansas nation- why mess with that !?
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2013, 09:12:08 pm »

oh wow that is a novel idea.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2013, 09:12:26 pm »

I have yet to see what the Hogs would gain from this game.  ASU gets all the benefits while the Hogs get.........nothing.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2013, 09:14:42 pm »

No.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2013, 09:15:17 pm »

I had been waiting for this topic to be brought up again since its the offseason. We already had the mini-GSD with the new negotiation. What other typical topic is next to be brought up?
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2013, 09:15:30 pm »

If Nutt becomes the next ASU coach, it would be a very interesting game with similar coaching styles...
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 09:17:27 pm »

I have yet to see what the Hogs would gain from this game.  ASU gets all the benefits while the Hogs get.........nothing.

Hogs would benefit. When Broyles thought of the policy it must have been in the 70's. Times have changed since then. But just barely
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2013, 09:18:45 pm »

I think it would be great to play asu at fay.  Asu  pays the hogs 25 mill and get 0 tickets.  Believe it or not that would still be a land slide gift to asu.  Faldon knows this but is just playing a dumb are and snickers with every asu  slanted post.  Surely.
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2013, 09:21:09 pm »

ASU Wayne's World Style: "We aren't worthy. We aren't worthy."
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2013, 09:22:53 pm »

I think it would be great to play asu at fay.  Asu  pays the hogs 25 mill and get 0 tickets.  Believe it or not that would still be a land slide gift to asu.  Faldon knows this but is just playing a dumb are and snickers with every asu  slanted post.  Surely.

Hardly.

The charity angle is the only way you could possibly make the game palatable to some Razorbacks fans.
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2013, 09:27:31 pm »

I'm old and don't know much about computers, is there anyway the website can be fixed where if the letters ASU or Gus comes up it will automatically delete it.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2013, 09:32:24 pm »

I've been debating this with some friends for quite a while now. They keep saying either a home & home or play every year at WMS. Here's how I see it happening (if it ever does) unless ASU elevates itself to a school better than the Sun Belt........

UA and ASU play every year in Fayetteville at DWRRS. UA pays ASU nothing or next to nothing, but allots them more tickets as the game will sell out easy. No way you do a home & home as the Hogs are not going to play in a stadium that seats about 30,000 and I mean no way ever. I get why fans would want to see it at WMS, but it will never happen there under the condition of the current facilities. Plus, I'm sure the WMS commission will want money for the game and you can forget that. The Hogs are already on there way out and may never return to WMS after the next five years.

Anyway, the game may never happen. But if it does, that's how I see it without some big wild card coming into play. Anyone think different?

- Not going to happen.
- No reason to happen.
- Doesn't benefit The University of Arkansas one bit.
- I would rather the Razorbacks play UCA or Bentonville HS before we play the Indian/Red Wolves and their listen to their whiney-ass, pathetic fans.   
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2013, 09:37:33 pm »


The charity angle is the only way you could possibly make the game palatable to some Razorbacks fans.
If they are ever forced to play, it will be a "charity" game alright, charity for ASU.
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2013, 09:39:08 pm »

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2013, 09:41:02 pm »

You guys made me lol at your responses. I should have clarified I am not a proponent for the game. I totally agree UA has nothing to gain & everything to lose. I have a hard time explaining that to my radical Red Wolf Indian Jonestown friends. They all think ASU is ready to take on UA full time.....
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2013, 09:44:16 pm »

You guys made me lol at your responses. I should have clarified I am not a proponent for the game. I totally agree UA has nothing to gain & everything to lose. I have a hard time explaining that to my radical Red Wolf Indian Jonestown friends. They all think ASU is ready to take on UA full time.....

Why do you have radical Red Wolf Indian Fans as friends?
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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2013, 09:50:34 pm »

Well I'm not going to kick them to the curb just because they hoop and holler about ASU. They sure do keep me entertained when these debates come up though.......
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2013, 10:17:20 pm »

IF they do play, it would have to be in Fayetteville!  WMS is too small.
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2013, 10:20:13 pm »

I have yet to see what the Hogs would gain from this game.  ASU gets all the benefits while the Hogs get.........nothing.

One benefit it would have is that this game would keep its revenue in the state of Arkansas, as opposed to the UA buying a victory from a Louisiana or Oklahoma directional school.  That would benefit Arkansas, regardless of school allegiance.
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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2013, 10:22:39 pm »

Oh my, this again? Okay, if they play in WMS, do you think ASU will be happy with the usual ticket allotment for a Hog non-conference opponent? Absolutely not. So then, the Hogs have to make a concession for tickets. It's the "camel nose under the tent" situation.
ASU would keep demanding more & more...thus costing the UofA more and more.
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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2013, 10:22:42 pm »

It will never happen.  Period.  Ever.  Not once.  Not ever.   

Oh whether we like it or not it is gonna happen sooner or later......and probably sooner than later.
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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2013, 10:24:38 pm »

One benefit it would have is that this game would keep its revenue in the state of Arkansas, as opposed to the UA buying a victory from a Louisiana or Oklahoma directional school.  That would benefit Arkansas, regardless of school allegiance.

Wrong. If ASU can go play Auburn the same week for $1 million, they'd come out ahead of what the UofA would pay ASU. This argument doesn't hold water.
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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2013, 10:26:24 pm »

I've been debating this with some friends for quite a while now. They keep saying either a home & home or play every year at WMS. Here's how I see it happening (if it ever does) unless ASU elevates itself to a school better than the Sun Belt........

UA and ASU play every year in Fayetteville at DWRRS. UA pays ASU nothing or next to nothing, but allots them more tickets as the game will sell out easy. No way you do a home & home as the Hogs are not going to play in a stadium that seats about 30,000 and I mean no way ever. I get why fans would want to see it at WMS, but it will never happen there under the condition of the current facilities. Plus, I'm sure the WMS commission will want money for the game and you can forget that. The Hogs are already on there way out and may never return to WMS after the next five years.

Anyway, the game may never happen. But if it does, that's how I see it without some big wild card coming into play. Anyone think different?


Just don't.
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« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2013, 10:41:16 pm »

This shouldn't have ever been a issue. Razorback fans are so hypocritical it is pathetic, we play the old poor lil ole Arkansas card, yet give us all the say so against Arkansas State and we will shun the poor share croppers from the east. The Razorback team would likely be more fired up about playing A State than ULM, UTEP, Louisiana, or Samford it couldn't hurt recruiting inside the state either that's for sure. I thought the OP's suggestion of connecting it to ACH and giving them a nice donation is one of the best ideas I have heard in a while. I mean a SEC team with the best coaching staff in the nation should sweep a Sun belt team who changes coaches every year
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« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2013, 10:44:44 pm »

This shouldn't have ever been a issue. Razorback fans are so hypocritical it is pathetic, we play the old poor lil ole Arkansas card, yet give us all the say so against Arkansas State and we will shun the poor share croppers from the east. The Razorback team would likely be more fired up about playing A State than ULM, UTEP, Louisiana, or Samford it couldn't hurt recruiting inside the state either that's for sure. I thought the OP's suggestion of connecting it to ACH and giving them a nice donation is one of the best ideas I have heard in a while. I mean a SEC team with the best coaching staff in the nation should sweep a Sun belt team who changes coaches every year

Again, what does ASU bring to the table? Every argument for this game has the UofA making some type of financial sacrifice. Why doesn't ASU offer up $2-$3 million to the UofA to play? The donation to charity is just a ploy for ASU fans to say "see, the Hogs don't want to support ACH." ASU wants to play the Hogs, get paid by the UofA, demand an equal allotment of tickets, and have the UofA sacrifice a portion of ticket sales to charity. Yeah right.
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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2013, 10:50:13 pm »

I've been debating this with some friends for quite a while now. They keep saying either a home & home or play every year at WMS. Here's how I see it happening (if it ever does) unless ASU elevates itself to a school better than the Sun Belt........

UA and ASU play every year in Fayetteville at DWRRS. UA pays ASU nothing or next to nothing, but allots them more tickets as the game will sell out easy. No way you do a home & home as the Hogs are not going to play in a stadium that seats about 30,000 and I mean no way ever. I get why fans would want to see it at WMS, but it will never happen there under the condition of the current facilities. Plus, I'm sure the WMS commission will want money for the game and you can forget that. The Hogs are already on there way out and may never return to WMS after the next five years.

Anyway, the game may never happen. But if it does, that's how I see it without some big wild card coming into play. Anyone think different?

Don't waste your time debating something that has been debated every time ASU needs attention. It will never happen never. Better question why should it? No reason. Get a better topic to debate.
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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2013, 10:57:58 pm »

Again, what does ASU bring to the table? Every argument for this game has the UofA making some type of financial sacrifice. Why doesn't ASU offer up $2-$3 million to the UofA to play? The donation to charity is just a ploy for ASU fans to say "see, the Hogs don't want to support ACH." ASU wants to play the Hogs, get paid by the UofA, demand an equal allotment of tickets, and have the UofA sacrifice a portion of ticket sales to charity. Yeah right.


What does ULM, Samford, etc, etc, etc bring to the table? Look at all the big teams that play smaller schools inside their state. What would be wrong with plaing Arkansas State?
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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2013, 11:08:53 pm »


What does ULM, Samford, etc, etc, etc bring to the table? Look at all the big teams that play smaller schools inside their state. What would be wrong with plaing Arkansas State?

It is not the UofA's responsibility to help advance the cause of ASU. ASU is competing against the UofA for fan support, donations & ticket sales. Why should the UofA assist them in their efforts?
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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2013, 11:21:02 pm »

It is not the UofA's responsibility to help advance the cause of ASU. ASU is competing against the UofA for fan support, donations & ticket sales. Why should the UofA assist them in their efforts?


Im sure the same reason they would Tulsa. If Arkansas has a fear of Arkansas State growing into a year in and year out competitor we are in serious need of major changes in our athletic department
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« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2013, 11:21:39 pm »

I've been debating this with some friends for quite a while now. They keep saying either a home & home or play every year at WMS. Here's how I see it happening (if it ever does) unless ASU elevates itself to a school better than the Sun Belt........

UA and ASU play every year in Fayetteville at DWRRS. UA pays ASU nothing or next to nothing, but allots them more tickets as the game will sell out easy. No way you do a home & home as the Hogs are not going to play in a stadium that seats about 30,000 and I mean no way ever. I get why fans would want to see it at WMS, but it will never happen there under the condition of the current facilities. Plus, I'm sure the WMS commission will want money for the game and you can forget that. The Hogs are already on there way out and may never return to WMS after the next five years.

Anyway, the game may never happen. But if it does, that's how I see it without some big wild card coming into play. Anyone think different?

Yeah, we can call it EGGBOWL Arkansas....
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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2013, 11:23:27 pm »


Im sure the same reason they would Tulsa. If Arkansas has a fear of Arkansas State growing into a year in and year out competitor we are in serious need of major changes in our athletic department

Why even give it a chance to happen? I guess Wal Mart should invite the Target Execs to Bentonville so they could give them pointers on how to grow their brand. I can't understand why people are so anxious to come to the aid of a competitor.
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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2013, 11:30:39 pm »

What other sec program has a "rivalry" with a sun belt school? Lsu plays Tulane but that is a tradition that has been going on for decades. Kentucky plays western Kentucky but they were the only team in the sec that was worse than us so that's probably not a good model to follow. Arkansas is small enough as it is, there simply isn't any reason to run the risk, however slight, of losing in-state support to asu. The risk/reward and cost/benefit factors are not in the hogs' favor. The only argument I hear is "why not?" That's not a good enough argument. I want to hear reasons why arkansas should play asu, not complaints about why they don't.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2013, 11:32:47 pm »

Why even give it a chance to happen? I guess Wal Mart should invite the Target Execs to Bentonville so they could give them pointers on how to grow their brand. I can't understand why people are so anxious to come to the aid of a competitor.

Your just throwing out extreme hypotheticals that make no sense. Im out of this discussion
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2013, 11:38:39 pm »

Your just throwing out extreme hypotheticals that make no sense. Im out of this discussion

No. It makes perfect sense to those who understand the competitive nature of business. You don't help a competitor grow their brand. Pretty simple.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2013, 11:39:54 pm »

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


I have never seen so much debate over a football game. Play it, don't play it, who cares?

AState folks don't even care anymore.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2013, 11:45:24 pm »

Again, what does ASU bring to the table? Every argument for this game has the UofA making some type of financial sacrifice. Why doesn't ASU offer up $2-$3 million to the UofA to play? The donation to charity is just a ploy for ASU fans to say "see, the Hogs don't want to support ACH." ASU wants to play the Hogs, get paid by the UofA, demand an equal allotment of tickets, and have the UofA sacrifice a portion of ticket sales to charity. Yeah right.

The charity donation isn't a ploy by ASU fans. Unless they've adopted my idea as their own.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2013, 11:57:50 pm »

The charity donation isn't a ploy by ASU fans. Unless they've adopted my idea as their own.

Then I know some who have.
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2013, 06:04:21 am »

NO!! and put it to rest
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2013, 06:12:19 am »

I've been debating this with some friends for quite a while now. They keep saying either a home & home or play every year at WMS. Here's how I see it happening (if it ever does) unless ASU elevates itself to a school better than the Sun Belt........

UA and ASU play every year in Fayetteville at DWRRS. UA pays ASU nothing or next to nothing, but allots them more tickets as the game will sell out easy. No way you do a home & home as the Hogs are not going to play in a stadium that seats about 30,000 and I mean no way ever. I get why fans would want to see it at WMS, but it will never happen there under the condition of the current facilities. Plus, I'm sure the WMS commission will want money for the game and you can forget that. The Hogs are already on there way out and may never return to WMS after the next five years.

Anyway, the game may never happen. But if it does, that's how I see it without some big wild card coming into play. Anyone think different?

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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2013, 06:14:50 am »

oh wow that is a novel idea.


No kidding I'm surprised someone hasn't though of it before!

<sarcasm off>
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Re: UA vs ASU
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2013, 06:17:02 am »

Your just throwing out extreme hypotheticals that make no sense. Im out of this discussion

Hypotheticals are the basis for a lot of things.
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