Rome was not built in a day

[EastexHawg]

Pretty sure that was Petrino's doing, not Long's.  I find it funny that people don't want to put any responsibility for this on Petrino.  His actions caused this.

Guess you never take responsibility for anything.

And I guess the only thing worse than losing 11 straight SEC games is watching our fans lap up the load of dung they are being fed as if it's intoxicatingly delicious.

[HF#1]

And I guess the only thing worse than losing 11him straight SEC games is watching our fans lap up the load of dung they are being fed as if it's intoxicatingly delicious.

How am I or anyone lapping up anything?  It's a rebuild, plain and simple.

[Piggfoot]

We would have been better off hiring Art Briles, Gus or even Mike Gundy.  They win way more than they loose.

Did you know Baylor's average wins the ten years before he took over?
When Art Brilles took over Baylor the previous ten years they had averaged 2.9 wins per year.
Turing around Baylor would be similar to turning around Vanderbilt.  With virtually no previous history of winning it takes a few years.
That's not the case at Arkansas.

We already had enough talent to win 5-7 games with the right coach.
Every Razorback fan needs to consider that statically this is the worst Razorback team since joining the SEC.  It's the lowest amount of points scored and the lowest amount of points allowed.
That's unacceptable!

We have had zero improvement.  Our coaching decisions during the games have been horrible.
Great coaches & great leaders always make immediate improvements even if they don't win.
If Any Arkansas fan thinks we are ever going to be great with our current coach they will be very disappointed.

If we would have hired any of the above coaches we would have already seen drastic improvements.
You can't wait 3-5 years to be a winner if you don't have the right coach.
BB has never coached against the kind of talent the SEC has on a weekly basis.  He was use to coaching against mostly inferior teams with very little potential NFL talent.

You know I was giving you the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not you were
nuts but your last sentence and apparent lack of knowledge sealed the deal for me.

[The Hogfather]

How do we have so many [CENSORED] idiots in our fan base?  It is embarrassing.

[PonderinHog]

Rome wasn't destroyed in a day either, but there weren't any motorcycles back then.

[East Clintwood]

You have got to be kidding me! His philosophy of dominating both sides of the LOS is the same as Saban's. Saban just has the studs to do it. We don't, yet.
Give the man a chance! And don't expect results until 2015.

Long after 2015 ---- like when the next coach get his buys in here.

BB has to have the players to run his style and right now his recruiting appears to be heading down, not up.

[secfan30]

It sure burnt down quick though. Our fire started 04/01/2012 and then continued.

I feel we have someone that can build us back and it will take 3 recruiting classes.

[Oklahawg]

It sure burnt down quick though. Our fire started 04/01/2012 and then continued.

I feel we have someone that can build us back and it will take 3 recruiting classes.

Amen.

[Tsarcasm]

We assume that Rome began in 753 B.C and the city reached a peak in 120 when the population reached 1.2 million. So it took about 870 years for Rome to reach its peak. Im sorry, but i do nt want to wait 800+ years to become a top ten team.

[MJ2]

Its very rare for a coach to come in and immediately turn around a program. These things take time. You have to give the grapes time to ferment.

Who is everybody's hot coaching prospect these days? Art Briles is the answer.

Do you know his record in his first two seasons?

4-8 and 4-8.

Did he attend some kind of coaching clinic after year 2 and become a badass coach all of the sudden? No, he was always a stud coach, he just needed time to get his people and plans in place. That is what CBB is doing at Arkansas right now.

I don't care if he has a 7 game losing streak. I don't care if it gets to 15. I have faith we have the right guy in place and we see the fruits of his labor in year 3-5. Wouldn't it be nice if at that time you could look back and think how you supported the team in its deepest depths? The day is darkest before the dawn.

Auburn turned it around in 1 season and looks better each week.

[JonesboroHogFan]

Hey qdoc.

How many first round draft picks did the Big Ten have in 2013?
Answer: 1
How many first round draft picks did the SEC have in 2013?
Answer: 12
How many players were drafted from the Big Ten in 2013?
Answer: 20
How many players were drafted from the SEC?
Answer: 63
I believe if you look at the facts the SEC is far more superior than the Big Ten when it comes to talent.
BB just isn't use to this kind of competition every single week.

[EastexHawg]

How am I or anyone lapping up anything?  It's a rebuild, plain and simple.

Right, because it is commonplace for programs to go from a BCS bowl one year and top five the next to eleven straight conference losses within less than two years.  It happens all the time at other programs.

I'm sure you are going to list a whole bunch of them for us now just to prove we're not experiencing anything out of the ordinary...

[bphi11ips]

We're not even recruiting at a high level.

There is lots of reasons for concern.

Here are Rivals rankings for Briles recruiting classes:

2008 - 51
2009 - 55
2010 - 39
2011 - 46
2012 - 45
2013 - 31

He is at 22 for the 2014 class.

Here's the rankings the three years before Briles:

2005 - 59
2006 - 68
2007 - 64

So, Briles marginally improved Baylor's rankings during his first five years and seems to be capitalizing on recent success, but he had a lot of room for improvement.  Given time, Briles delivered far above expectations set by the recruiting rankings. 

Bret Bielema's first class was 27.  He is now at 36 (with room to add 9 or 10 players in a points based system; Oklahoma is 37 and in the same situation). Arkansas has averaged about 30 since Rivals began publishing its rankings.  Bielema has room for marginal improvement, but don't look for regular Top 20 rankings.

Recruiting rankings create a chicken and egg question.  Rankings track traditional powers and flavor of the months.  Occasionally an anomaly pops up like Ole Miss last year and Kentucky so far this year.  But by and large, rankings are consistent with the place a program traditionally occupies on a national scale.  Why?  Because those programs were recruiting proportionally the same athletes in relation to competition all along.  College coaches have identified the talent they want long before the analysts at Rivals have identified them.  The best indicator of a 4 or 5 star player is the interest shown by Alabama or Ohio State or USC and the like, because those programs will always have pick of the litter.

The thing for Razorbacks fans to focus on is not recruiting rankings but the success of programs, like Baylor and Stanford, that have committed to a philosophy and stuck with it long enough to be successful without Top 10 recruiting classes.  Boise State and Oregon are also good examples.  Tennessee, on the other hand, shows what happens when you have a guy like Lane Kiffin run a program into the ground.  They finished 10, 9, 13, and 17 in recruiting between 2009 and 2012, but Butch Jones can do no more with what he was left than Bret Bielema can do with what he has.  Yes, they beat South Carolina at home on a last second field goal on a day when Connor Shaw sprained his knee, but Oregon, Alabama, Missouri and Auburn embarrassed them.  Bigtime. 

Rome wasn't built in a day.  The Crimson Tide are the Romans of college football in 2013.  Sooner or later the Visigoths are going to rush in and plunder the city.  If Bielema were around in 410, he would have made a pretty good Visigoth.         

[HOGness4life]

tldr

[DeltaBoy]

We are not Rome but I don't accept we tanked in only 2 years.

[bphi11ips]

tldr

Typical.

[HOGness4life]

Typical.

what did it say?

[bphi11ips]

what did it say?

Ahh!  You were the OP.  I took some time to research and rebut a two sentence challenge to your post.  Nm.

[HOGness4life]

But Rome did show continued progress, a few feet of aqueduct here a little Apian way there and a whole lot of Spanish Quarter in between per month.

He is in year 1. Give him 5 years then lets reassess.

[d1nonlyhogfan]

Rome wasn't built in a day, but it DID burn down in 6. Our football program burned down in about the same amount of time.

[d1nonlyhogfan]

He is in year 1. Give him 5 years then lets reassess.

If year 2 ends the way this one has, there is no way he turns it around in year 3.

[bigbadhog]

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on Hogville. And that is saying something. Because I have made some pretty stupid remarks. If CBB is gone in 4 years, it will be because he has been hired away because of his success here.

That's pretty unlikely so I guess we keep him forever...

[Jek Tono Porkins]

I love it when people go "we should have hired briles or gundy" as if all Jeff long has to do is offer them and they'll come here. Those two have worked their asses off building their programs at Baylor and ok state and they are reaping their rewards. Why would they want to throw that all away to start over again at arkansas against sec competition? Where does this theory that we can just get any coach we want come from?

[99toLife]

It wasn't built in a couple of years either.. 

[Wild Bill Hog]

Pretty sure that was Petrino's Long's doing, not Long's Petrino's.  I find it funny that people don't want to put any responsibility for this on Petrino Long.  His actions caused this.

Guess you never take responsibility for anything.

FIFY

[Blue35]

My cousin Elrod lives in Rome Georgia.

[buldozer]

According to this our coach is in more trouble than Mac Brown.....

http://coacheshotseat.com/

[MJ2]

According to this our coach is in more trouble than Mac Brown.....

http://coacheshotseat.com/

I agree with that.   Mack has a history at TEX that he can point to. CBB has to go back to his previous employer to show his success.

[hog911]

Its very rare for a coach to come in and immediately turn around a program. These things take time. You have to give the grapes time to ferment.

Who is everybody's hot coaching prospect these days? Art Briles is the answer.

Do you know his record in his first two seasons?

4-8 and 4-8.

Did he attend some kind of coaching clinic after year 2 and become a badass coach all of the sudden? No, he was always a stud coach, he just needed time to get his people and plans in place. That is what CBB is doing at Arkansas right now.

I don't care if he has a 7 game losing streak. I don't care if it gets to 15. I have faith we have the right guy in place and we see the fruits of his labor in year 3-5. Wouldn't it be nice if at that time you could look back and think how you supported the team in its deepest depths? The day is darkest before the dawn.

The reason I'm disappointed in the coaching staff is not that we are 3-8. It's because we are no better as a team after game 11 than were after game 1. It's the coaches responsibility to make sure the player are constantly getting better, its as much a mental game as it is a physical one. I feel the coaches lost the team after the Rutgers game and its been a downward slide ever since. 

[Hogfaniam]

We would have been better off hiring Art Briles, Gus or even Mike Gundy.  They win way more than they loose.

Did you know Baylor's average wins the ten years before he took over?
When Art Brilles took over Baylor the previous ten years they had averaged 2.9 wins per year.
Turing around Baylor would be similar to turning around Vanderbilt.  With virtually no previous history of winning it takes a few years.
That's not the case at Arkansas.

We already had enough talent to win 5-7 games with the right coach.
Every Razorback fan needs to consider that statically this is the worst Razorback team since joining the SEC.  It's the lowest amount of points scored and the lowest amount of points allowed.
That's unacceptable!

We have had zero improvement.  Our coaching decisions during the games have been horrible.
Great coaches & great leaders always make immediate improvements even if they don't win.
If Any Arkansas fan thinks we are ever going to be great with our current coach they will be very disappointed.

If we would have hired any of the above coaches we would have already seen drastic improvements.
You can't wait 3-5 years to be a winner if you don't have the right coach.
BB has never coached against the kind of talent the SEC has on a weekly basis.  He was use to coaching against mostly inferior teams with very little potential NFL talent.

You really need to research before you throw out the "lowest" hyperbole.  The early to mid 90's was a really bad time for the Razorbacks. 

[Hogfaniam]

The reason I'm disappointed in the coaching staff is not that we are 3-8. It's because we are no better as a team after game 11 than were after game 1. It's the coaches responsibility to make sure the player are constantly getting better, its as much a mental game as it is a physical one. I feel the coaches lost the team after the Rutgers game and its been a downward slide ever since. 

ATm game was bearable.  The trough was definitely s Carolina and bama.  Hopefully Friday will be a building block for next year.

For all the seniors that endured the last 20 months may friday bring you some atonement.

[AuburnsBack]

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on Hogville. And that is saying something. Because I have made some pretty stupid remarks. If CBB is gone in 4 years, it will be because he has been hired away because of his success here.

[Hoggish1]

Its very rare for a coach to come in and immediately turn around a program. These things take time. You have to give the grapes time to ferment.

Who is everybody's hot coaching prospect these days? Art Briles is the answer.

Do you know his record in his first two seasons?

4-8 and 4-8.

Did he attend some kind of coaching clinic after year 2 and become a badass coach all of the sudden? No, he was always a stud coach, he just needed time to get his people and plans in place. That is what CBB is doing at Arkansas right now.

I don't care if he has a 7 game losing streak. I don't care if it gets to 15. I have faith we have the right guy in place and we see the fruits of his labor in year 3-5. Wouldn't it be nice if at that time you could look back and think how you supported the team in its deepest depths? The day is darkest before the dawn.

+1  To all the debbie downers: things take time and stop texting while you drive...

[AuburnsBack]

Here are Rivals rankings for Briles recruiting classes:

2008 - 51
2009 - 55
2010 - 39
2011 - 46
2012 - 45
2013 - 31

He is at 22 for the 2014 class.

Here's the rankings the three years before Briles:

2005 - 59
2006 - 68
2007 - 64

So, Briles marginally improved Baylor's rankings during his first five years and seems to be capitalizing on recent success, but he had a lot of room for improvement.  Given time, Briles delivered far above expectations set by the recruiting rankings. 

Bret Bielema's first class was 27.  He is now at 36 (with room to add 9 or 10 players in a points based system; Oklahoma is 37 and in the same situation). Arkansas has averaged about 30 since Rivals began publishing its rankings.  Bielema has room for marginal improvement, but don't look for regular Top 20 rankings.

Recruiting rankings create a chicken and egg question.  Rankings track traditional powers and flavor of the months.  Occasionally an anomaly pops up like Ole Miss last year and Kentucky so far this year.  But by and large, rankings are consistent with the place a program traditionally occupies on a national scale.  Why?  Because those programs were recruiting proportionally the same athletes in relation to competition all along.  College coaches have identified the talent they want long before the analysts at Rivals have identified them.  The best indicator of a 4 or 5 star player is the interest shown by Alabama or Ohio State or USC and the like, because those programs will always have pick of the litter.

The thing for Razorbacks fans to focus on is not recruiting rankings but the success of programs, like Baylor and Stanford, that have committed to a philosophy and stuck with it long enough to be successful without Top 10 recruiting classes.  Boise State and Oregon are also good examples.  Tennessee, on the other hand, shows what happens when you have a guy like Lane Kiffin run a program into the ground.  They finished 10, 9, 13, and 17 in recruiting between 2009 and 2012, but Butch Jones can do no more with what he was left than Bret Bielema can do with what he has.  Yes, they beat South Carolina at home on a last second field goal on a day when Connor Shaw sprained his knee, but Oregon, Alabama, Missouri and Auburn embarrassed them.  Bigtime. 

Rome wasn't built in a day.  The Crimson Tide are the Romans of college football in 2013.  Sooner or later the Visigoths are going to rush in and plunder the city.  If Bielema were around in 410, he would have made a pretty good Visigoth.       

Bad references to make Arky fans feel better. I will just say it like this, if Bert can't even crack the top 15 in recruiting consistently (which puts him like 7th overall in SEC), Arky is destined for multiple 6 to 7 win seasons under him....at best.

Now BP could get away with it because he's one of the best football minds in the business but not Bert cause Bert is, well...Bert.

[Hoggish1]

Here are Rivals rankings for Briles recruiting classes:

2008 - 51
2009 - 55
2010 - 39
2011 - 46
2012 - 45
2013 - 31

He is at 22 for the 2014 class.

Here's the rankings the three years before Briles:

2005 - 59
2006 - 68
2007 - 64

So, Briles marginally improved Baylor's rankings during his first five years and seems to be capitalizing on recent success, but he had a lot of room for improvement.  Given time, Briles delivered far above expectations set by the recruiting rankings. 

Bret Bielema's first class was 27.  He is now at 36 (with room to add 9 or 10 players in a points based system; Oklahoma is 37 and in the same situation). Arkansas has averaged about 30 since Rivals began publishing its rankings.  Bielema has room for marginal improvement, but don't look for regular Top 20 rankings.

Recruiting rankings create a chicken and egg question.  Rankings track traditional powers and flavor of the months.  Occasionally an anomaly pops up like Ole Miss last year and Kentucky so far this year.  But by and large, rankings are consistent with the place a program traditionally occupies on a national scale.  Why?  Because those programs were recruiting proportionally the same athletes in relation to competition all along.  College coaches have identified the talent they want long before the analysts at Rivals have identified them.  The best indicator of a 4 or 5 star player is the interest shown by Alabama or Ohio State or USC and the like, because those programs will always have pick of the litter.

The thing for Razorbacks fans to focus on is not recruiting rankings but the success of programs, like Baylor and Stanford, that have committed to a philosophy and stuck with it long enough to be successful without Top 10 recruiting classes.  Boise State and Oregon are also good examples.  Tennessee, on the other hand, shows what happens when you have a guy like Lane Kiffin run a program into the ground.  They finished 10, 9, 13, and 17 in recruiting between 2009 and 2012, but Butch Jones can do no more with what he was left than Bret Bielema can do with what he has.  Yes, they beat South Carolina at home on a last second field goal on a day when Connor Shaw sprained his knee, but Oregon, Alabama, Missouri and Auburn embarrassed them.  Bigtime. 

Rome wasn't built in a day.  The Crimson Tide are the Romans of college football in 2013.  Sooner or later the Visigoths are going to rush in and plunder the city.  If Bielema were around in 410, he would have made a pretty good Visigoth.         

Recruting for a system was proved to be the ticket for BP, early on.  It will also be that for CBB. 

We have had this debate for some time—the one that says recruiting is about careful analysis of players who are teachable, have great upside (with incubation) and have good character, so a staff can be sure they will be around in year two when their services are ready for use.

We will begin to see all athletes red shirting where they can prosper from technique building, conditioning and weight training, especially in line play on both sides of the ball, where it counts.  But, they will have the essential toughness to stay the course.  See Skipper...  Had he come along three years later, he would not have seen the field and the program would have been better for it.

Nevertheless, that he's playing early is a good indication of what's to come.

Be patient, my friends...

[Hoggish1]

According to this our coach is in more trouble than Mac Brown.....

http://coacheshotseat.com/

Don't read garbage like that.  A coach can't be on any hot seat in year one. Period.

A real hot seat is what Will Muskchamp is sitting on.

[Sir Oinksalot]

Rome was built in proportion to how hard they whipped the slaves...

I just don't believe Coach B. has the stomach for what he needs to do
to get our guys into winning form....hope I'm wrong.

[Hoggish1]

The reason I'm disappointed in the coaching staff is not that we are 3-8. It's because we are no better as a team after game 11 than were after game 1. It's the coaches responsibility to make sure the player are constantly getting better, its as much a mental game as it is a physical one. I feel the coaches lost the team after the Rutgers game and its been a downward slide ever since. 

Uh, no.  It has been rising since 104-0.  If you can't see that, you are not paying close enough attention.

[Dirty]

If they would have had JonesboroHogFan I would have hired Gus or Art.
Arkansas would have a much better product on the field.

No they wouldn't!

[superior_wang]

not sure how long hog fans are expected to  wait..and wait and wait...  sorta like cub fans.. do you respect them or think they are crazy? i live in colorado... love the rockies baseball team, but we have a terrible god awful owner..and we will never  be competitive ( 07 was an absolute fluke)... i watch the rockies yet i expect zero from them.   Hogs are damn near in the same boat.

[razorbackkid]

Rome wasn't destroyed in a day either, but there weren't any motorcycles back then.

Chariots of the Gods...lol.

I can see Petrino in a chariot....

[superior_wang]

Rome wasn't destroyed in a day either, but there weren't any motorcycles back then.

awesome post.  +1

[sportster365]

Its very rare for a coach to come in and immediately turn around a program. These things take time. You have to give the grapes time to ferment.

What do you mean turn a program around. We were 1 year removed from the top 5 and 2 back to back 10 win seasons... you make it sound as if we've been doormats for the last 5 years. How much work does it take for a team brought into an already winning program?

[HOGness4life]

Its very rare for a coach to come in and immediately turn around a program. These things take time. You have to give the grapes time to ferment.

Who is everybody's hot coaching prospect these days? Art Briles is the answer.

Do you know his record in his first two seasons?

4-8 and 4-8.

Did he attend some kind of coaching clinic after year 2 and become a badass coach all of the sudden? No, he was always a stud coach, he just needed time to get his people and plans in place. That is what CBB is doing at Arkansas right now.

I don't care if he has a 7 game losing streak. I don't care if it gets to 15. I have faith we have the right guy in place and we see the fruits of his labor in year 3-5. Wouldn't it be nice if at that time you could look back and think how you supported the team in its deepest depths? The day is darkest before the dawn.

Who among us can say they supported BB in the deepest depths of last year?

I believed. And I'm proud of it!!!!!!!

[HOGness4life]

Sorry, but we will be looking for a new coach in 4 years. His system will not win in the SEC.

:loldog:

so many fail posts in this thread

[bphi11ips]

Who among us can say they supported BB in the deepest depths of last year?

I believed. And I'm proud of it!!!!!!!

Thanks for dredging up my support.  It's still strong whether I question a couple of things here and there or not.

[WarPig88]

Its very rare for a coach to come in and immediately turn around a program. These things take time. You have to give the grapes time to ferment.

Who is everybody's hot coaching prospect these days? Art Briles is the answer.

Do you know his record in his first two seasons?

4-8 and 4-8.

Did he attend some kind of coaching clinic after year 2 and become a badass coach all of the sudden? No, he was always a stud coach, he just needed time to get his people and plans in place. That is what CBB is doing at Arkansas right now.

I don't care if he has a 7 game losing streak. I don't care if it gets to 15. I have faith we have the right guy in place and we see the fruits of his labor in year 3-5. Wouldn't it be nice if at that time you could look back and think how you supported the team in its deepest depths? The day is darkest before the dawn.

The Cubs string without a WS championship wasn't built in a day either.

[three hog night]

I am feeling good about the progress and how the Freshmen have matured more than I could have dreamed.  We have improved a lot because of the Fr and Sophs as well as guys like Cook, Spaight, and Flowers that are playing great in their SR years. 

We only lose one starter from the Oline (Cook) after this year.  We are going to be VERY good when our 2 deep is dominated by Sr and Jr players INSTEAD of Fr and Sophs.

[Arkfan]

Good grief, yet another thread saying he just needs more time...

[JonesboroHogFan]

BB lacks meticulous detail & that is why he will not build Arkansas into a top level SEC team. 
Only very meticulous coaches are consistently successful in this conference.

If you would pay very close attention to detail you would notice the lack of this with our coaches.