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I want a National Championship
« on: November 09, 2013, 08:22:10 pm »

Even the most most die hard BB supporters would have to admit that BB is not a great coach. What scares me is if he has a few good years like say HDN and were stuck again.
The Arkansas job requires a great coach to win a NC. That is what we want right? As a razorback fan I want to be in the NC race every year and win one or two. BB didn't win a NC in WI. so what makes anyone think he will here. It will take a coach like Art Briles. Bobby Petrino, Gus Malzahn, Chip Kelly ,Chris Peterson and a few others. I am a Malzahn fan and truly feel like he would have been to AR as Briles is to Baylor. A coach who is connected with the coaches within our state and can recruit nationally. That ship may have sailed. I just don't want fans to get complacent and settle for a few 8 or 9 win seasons and think that's the best we can hope for. If nothing else BP has proven you can win big at AR. Don't settle for HDN.
Teams like Oregon, Boise State, TCU and Baylor have been in the NC picture on a frequent basis over the last few years. I see no reason why Arkansas can't. Arkansas has great facilities and is a beautiful area to live.  We just need the right coach.

    
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2013, 08:25:27 pm »

oh geez
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 08:26:39 pm »

Just to summarize :
 
Even the most most die hard BB supporters would have to admit that BB is not a great coach.

 I am a Malzahn fan and truly feel like he would have been to AR as Briles is to Baylor. A coach who is connected with the coaches within our state and can recruit nationally.

    
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2013, 08:29:25 pm »

Briles first 2 years @ Baylor...
4-8
4-8

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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2013, 08:29:32 pm »

Guess we haven't had the right coach since 1964 when we were in the all white SWC and not today's SEC.  Holtz and the rest since then have all sucked.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2013, 08:30:16 pm »

Just to summarize :
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2013, 08:30:42 pm »

Go win one?
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2013, 08:33:34 pm »

This should be fun.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2013, 08:34:54 pm »

Guess we haven't had the right coach since 1964 when we were in the all white SWC and not today's SEC.  Holtz and the rest since then have all sucked.
Holtz and Bobby could have won big here consistently. Holtz and the Admin didn't see eye to eye and we all know what happened with BP.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2013, 08:35:06 pm »

I predict you are going to live a miserable existence as a Hog fan.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2013, 08:35:35 pm »

Face the facts not going to win one anytime soon  :razorback:
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2013, 08:37:12 pm »

Briles first 2 years @ Baylor...
4-8
4-8

SHUT UP!
2006    Wisconsin    12–1    7–1    T–2nd    W Capital One    5    7
2007    Wisconsin    9–4    5–3    T–4th    L Outback    21    24
2008    Wisconsin    7–6    3–5    T–6th    L Champs Sports       
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No National Championships
so STFU
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2013, 08:38:33 pm »

I disagree. Even Nutt had a chance to be in a National Championship game, but blew it in the SEC championship game against Fla. Petrino had a chance to be in the championship discussion, but that team got destroyed by LSU.
It's all about getting the right type of players for the right system or a once in a lifetime player like Dmac or Scam Newton. I would bet there are lot of the juniors and seniors on this hog team that CBB wouldn't have recruited if he was here years ago. Honestly I think many were last minute recruits even for Petrino.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2013, 08:38:36 pm »

I predict you are going to live a miserable existence as a Hog fan.
I will always be a hog fan. Just tired of saying we will get them next year.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2013, 08:38:45 pm »

Briles first 2 years @ Baylor...
4-8
4-8

SHUT UP!
Not to mention the inherent problems with a spread.  Even A&M had a heisman winner but dropped two SEC games.  Almost every offense will have a down game and running the spread/hunh is basically resorting to hoping that the D can hold up.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2013, 08:40:02 pm »

Holtz and Bobby could have won big here consistently. Holtz and the Admin didn't see eye to eye and we all know what happened with BP.

You missed the point/sarcasm.  Holtz and Petrino were good coaches but still didn't win a NC.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2013, 08:40:17 pm »

2006    Wisconsin    12–1    7–1    T–2nd    W Capital One    5    7
2007    Wisconsin    9–4    5–3    T–4th    L Outback    21    24
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No National Championships
so STFU

Malzahn, Briles, Kelly, Petrino, Petersen...ZERO combined championships.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2013, 08:40:21 pm »

You realize none of the coaches you mentioned have won a NC as a head coach....so what makes them great and BB not great?
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2013, 08:40:45 pm »

I will always be a hog fan. Just tired of saying we will get them next year.

If by "get them" you mean win a national title....
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2013, 08:41:44 pm »

Wasn't CBB's Wisconsin team ranked #1 for a week or so a few years ago?
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2013, 08:45:59 pm »

Holtz and Bobby could have won big here consistently. Holtz and the Admin didn't see eye to eye and we all know what happened with BP.

After the last LSU game when Bobby famously cussed across the field, that was the first time I seriously questioned if he got get us over the hump because of how bad LSU dominated us. And how quickly we forget how close Petrino was to losing a lot of games such as the Vanderbilt game.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2013, 08:46:23 pm »

2006    Wisconsin    12–1    7–1    T–2nd    W Capital One    5    7
2007    Wisconsin    9–4    5–3    T–4th    L Outback    21    24
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No National Championships
so STFU

how many conference and national titles did Petrino win while he was here?
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2013, 08:48:54 pm »

how many conference and national titles did Petrino win while he was here?
He's a GusBusser.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2013, 08:51:01 pm »

TCU is 4-6

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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2013, 08:51:22 pm »

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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2013, 08:52:09 pm »

HDN won more Division titles than Petrino. Ouch!
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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2013, 08:52:32 pm »

You realize none of the coaches you mentioned have won a NC as a head coach....so what makes them great and BB not great?
They have all had their team in the NC picture and are all coaches I think can do more with less than anyone else I can think of. I would give Gus credit for the 2010 NC before I would Chizik.
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2013, 08:54:12 pm »

I will always be a hog fan. Just tired of saying we will get them next year.

List the freshmen that would not be starting if Malzahn were here
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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2013, 08:54:22 pm »

HDN won more Division titles than Petrino. Ouch!

So did Danny Ford.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2013, 08:54:48 pm »

Become a bama fan then!
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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2013, 08:54:48 pm »

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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2013, 08:55:45 pm »

They have all had their team in the NC picture and are all coaches I think can do more with less than anyone else I can think of. I would give Gus credit for the 2010 NC before I would Chizik.

Bielema as well had a couple of his teams in the NC picture
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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2013, 08:56:41 pm »

They have all had their team in the NC picture and are all coaches I think can do more with less than anyone else I can think of. I would give Gus credit for the 2010 NC before I would Chizik.

I would give Cam Newton the credit
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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2013, 08:57:27 pm »

I just want to win a football game.  My Razorback buddy passed away October 12th, and I've been hoping since then that the team would win a game for him.  But no dice.
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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2013, 08:58:49 pm »

I took the my children and wife to Dallas when we played KSU and was really pumped for the next season. I truly thought we were looking at a chance to be in the NC game. Then everything fell apart. Kinda felt like I got kicked in the balls when JLS was hired. Then to see the lack of progress that this staff has made with player development and recruiting it just pisses me off.
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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2013, 08:59:18 pm »

I just want to win a football game.  My Razorback buddy passed away October 12th, and I've been hoping since then that the team would win a game for him.  But no dice.
Perspective...
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« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2013, 09:01:17 pm »

Can we get bans on anyone comparing bb to hdn. They add NOTHING to ANY thread.
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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2013, 09:03:39 pm »

I took the my children and wife to Dallas when we played KSU and was really pumped for the next season. I truly thought we were looking at a chance to be in the NC game. Then everything fell apart. Kinda felt like I got kicked in the balls when JLS was hired. Then to see the lack of progress that this staff has made with player development and recruiting it just pisses me off.


List the freshmen that would not be starting if Malzahn were here
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« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2013, 09:03:51 pm »

Really ???  Read his posts.
As far a Malzahn goes. Yes I think he is a great coach. Have watched what he has been able to accomplish his entire career. I also think Jimmy Johnson and a few others that we passed on or didn't even go after have been huge mistakes. Just want Arkansas to get a great coach and keep him long enough to enjoy a few years of success
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« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2013, 09:04:23 pm »

As far a Malzahn goes. Yes I think he is a great coach. Have watched what he has been able to accomplish his entire career. I also think Jimmy Johnson and a few others that we passed on or didn't even go after have been huge mistakes. Just want Arkansas to get a great coach and keep him long enough to enjoy a few years of success


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« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2013, 09:06:53 pm »

They have all had their team in the NC picture and are all coaches I think can do more with less than anyone else I can think of. I would give Gus credit for the 2010 NC before I would Chizik.

None have been any closer to a NC than BB...and as a Head coach...Gus hasn't even sniffed a NC.
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« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2013, 09:07:40 pm »

As far a Malzahn goes. Yes I think he is a great coach. Have watched what he has been able to accomplish his entire career. I also think Jimmy Johnson and a few others that we passed on or didn't even go after have been huge mistakes. Just want Arkansas to get a great coach and keep him long enough to enjoy a few years of success
So we get one and you're not happy...
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« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2013, 09:07:45 pm »

As far a Malzahn goes. Yes I think he is a great coach. Have watched what he has been able to accomplish his entire career. I also think Jimmy Johnson and a few others that we passed on or didn't even go after have been huge mistakes. Just want Arkansas to get a great coach and keep him long enough to enjoy a few years of success

Lowered your expectations from wanting a NC to enjoying a few years of success in less than an hour.
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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2013, 09:08:58 pm »

Even the most most die hard BB supporters would have to admit that BB is not a great coach. What scares me is if he has a few good years like say HDN and were stuck again.
The Arkansas job requires a great coach to win a NC. That is what we want right? As a razorback fan I want to be in the NC race every year and win one or two. BB didn't win a NC in WI. so what makes anyone think he will here. It will take a coach like Art Briles. Bobby Petrino, Gus Malzahn, Chip Kelly ,Chris Peterson and a few others. I am a Malzahn fan and truly feel like he would have been to AR as Briles is to Baylor. A coach who is connected with the coaches within our state and can recruit nationally. That ship may have sailed. I just don't want fans to get complacent and settle for a few 8 or 9 win seasons and think that's the best we can hope for. If nothing else BP has proven you can win big at AR. Don't settle for HDN.
Teams like Oregon, Boise State, TCU and Baylor have been in the NC picture on a frequent basis over the last few years. I see no reason why Arkansas can't. Arkansas has great facilities and is a beautiful area to live.  We just need the right coach.

You do know his team is 6th in the Sunbelt. Yep that mighty bastion of football - the Sunbelt.
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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2013, 09:15:58 pm »

None have been any closer to a NC than BB...and as a Head coach...Gus hasn't even sniffed a NC.
Look at it this way. With all the big lineman he was able to get at WI and he played his style of ball with his players he wasn't able to win the NC.
Do you think he will be able to recruit better at AR than he did at WI. ?
I hope so but so far it's not looking to good. Do u think we will be able to out recruit Bama or LSU? I don't. Wish we could but those states seem to produce more D1 talent. So what makes you think we can play smash mouth football and run it down their throat?  Arkansas needs to be able to level the playing field. We have to be able to spread the field and make teams play the pass so we can run the ball.
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Re: I want a National Championship
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2013, 09:17:24 pm »

Lowered your expectations from wanting a NC to enjoying a few years of success in less than an hour.

My definition of success is a NC
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« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2013, 09:18:03 pm »

jkelly, I've asked you three times what Hog freshmen would not be starting if Malzahn were here this year
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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2013, 09:18:51 pm »


My definition of success is a NC

So you went from wanting a NC to a few NCs.  Get ready to die a disappointed man.
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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2013, 09:19:22 pm »

You do know his team is 6th in the Sunbelt. Yep that mighty bastion of football - the Sunbelt.
He might be the biggest SOB that ever lived but there is no way you can say the Guy cant coach.
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« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2013, 09:19:58 pm »

Look at it this way. With all the big lineman he was able to get at WI and he played his style of ball with his players he wasn't able to win the NC.
Do you think he will be able to recruit better at AR than he did at WI. ?
I hope so but so far it's not looking to good. Do u think we will be able to out recruit Bama or LSU? I don't. Wish we could but those states seem to produce more D1 talent. So what makes you think we can play smash mouth football and run it down their throat?  Arkansas needs to be able to level the playing field. We have to be able to spread the field and make teams play the pass so we can run the ball.

and neither has Petrino, Kelly, Briles, Peterson.  Offensive recruiting to ANY scheme has never been the problem.  When will you people realize that DEFENSIVE recruiting is why we haven't won a championship and what we have to improve in order to compete with Bama and LSU. 
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