Open carry!

[Verge]

Why is this not being discussed in here?

[Bam, Alright Now]

Excited! But I hate how much it is open to interpretation. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out and if it sticks or the legislature tries to go back on it.

[kodiakisland]

Why is this not being discussed in here?

I think it's assumed we all open carry when hunting.

[Albert Einswine]

I think it's assumed we all open carry when hunting.

I can't even put an estimate on how many times I've walked into a country store, a gas station or a cafe during deer season in Arkansas in my camo with a sidearm on  my hip. No one ever thought anything about it.

[rickm1976]

I can't even put an estimate on how many times I've walked into a country store, a gas station or a cafe during deer season in Arkansas in my camo with a sidearm on  my hip. No one ever thought anything about it.

I used to do the same thing, but not in the past few years.  There are just too many people who might freak out and call the SWAT team.  I don't know how many times I parked my truck with a shotgun in the rack in the back window in the school parking lot when I was in HS back in the 70's, and nobody ever thought anything about it.  Times sure have changed.

[Verge]

I used to do the same thing, but not in the past few years.  There are just too many people who might freak out and call the SWAT team.  I don't know how many times I parked my truck with a shotgun in the rack in the back window in the school parking lot when I was in HS back in the 70's, and nobody ever thought anything about it.  Times sure have changed.

Well, what July first? Time are changing back.

[Pudgepork]

while not an advocate of open carry, I do think its time the sensitive types
started getting more exposure to guns.  During hunting seasons, it would
probably do a lot of them some good to be in the same vicinity of those
dastardly tools of death and see that they seldom go off by themselves.

A person wearing in camo, or not, walking naturally into a store or a gas
station who just happens to have a gun on their person will cause a few
quick looks and make some take a quick breath.   The 3rd or 4th time that
that situation happens, the sensitive types might calm and see that everyone
out there who handles guns aren't mad dog crazy looking to add to the body
count.

[pigture perfect]

Those of us who have seen the damage a round can do to an animal we've harvested certainly can appreciate that firearm for what it can do. It helps us know to be very careful when handling one.

[PonderinHog]

I can't even put an estimate on how many times I've walked into a country store, a gas station or a cafe during deer season in Arkansas in my camo with a sidearm on  my hip. No one ever thought anything about it.

I still think wearing the ski mask is a bad idea, Al.

[Albert Einswine]

I still think wearing the ski mask is a bad idea, Al.

It kept my face warm on the stand... wait, is that why all those nice people were shoving all their cash on me?  I never made the connection...

[DeltaBoy]

I can't even put an estimate on how many times I've walked into a country store, a gas station or a cafe during deer season in Arkansas in my camo with a sidearm on  my hip. No one ever thought anything about it.

Same here if your camo is on and your buying gas in some snacks or eating at the Cafe noone in Monroe County cares.  But out side of huntning folks get a little uptight.

[LL COOL HOG]

http://www.examiner.com/article/arkansas-to-become-the-nation-s-45th-open-carry-state-on-august-15th

http://www.thearkansasproject.com/the-greatest-untold-story-of-the-89th-general-assembly/


I just wasted $147 bucks for a conceal carry! I saw this thread and thought it was wishful thinking when it was initially posted.

[Pudgepork]

http://www.examiner.com/article/arkansas-to-become-the-nation-s-45th-open-carry-state-on-august-15th

http://www.thearkansasproject.com/the-greatest-untold-story-of-the-89th-general-assembly/


I just wasted $147 bucks for a conceal carry! I saw this thread and thought it was wishful thinking when it was initially posted.

Your money wasn't wasted.  The number of people rushing
to buy guns, ammo and CCW permits make the gun grabbers
ill. That in itself is worth the cost. 

[rcopela]

Your money wasn't wasted.  The number of people rushing
to buy guns, ammo and CCW permits make the gun grabbers
ill. That in itself is worth the cost. 

Agree!

[Albert Einswine]

Your money wasn't wasted because unless you never plan to carry concealed or cross state lines you'll still need the permit to be legal.

[Old Tusk]

If you think open carry is legal, you need to read Act 746. Nothing changed.

[McKdaddy]

We began open carry in OK in November, but I can't say that I see many doing it much. Probably just maintaining concealment instead.

[Razorhogs]

If you think open carry is legal, you need to read Act 746. Nothing changed.

I agree.  This is a good site for info.  http://www.arkansascarry.com/

[LL COOL HOG]

Your money wasn't wasted because unless you never plan to carry concealed or cross state lines you'll still need the permit to be legal.

Thanks!

[LL COOL HOG]

If you think open carry is legal, you need to read Act 746. Nothing changed.

Very good info.

[Verge]

I agree.  This is a biased site for info.  http://www.arkansascarry.com/

There ya go

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

Yeah, I can see where this open carry may have some real advantages for consumers......

Wearing a big .44 or .357 on your hip can't hurt,  when you go into an auto repair to pick up your car & the bill.....

Or when you are dealing with car salesmen, etc.......

You may automatically receive a "non-advertised" 15% discount.......that is not available to "non carriers".....

[DeltaBoy]

I will wait and see how certain aspects of this bill play out.  I wore a MKII Ruger a lot working rice fields back in the 1980's.

[AnonymousHog]

I worry about the open carry in your home county being legal until lawsuits come out.  But it's very open to interpretation.  The only way I have had it explained to me by one of the State Representatives is your safe to open carry if you are out of your home county the "journey" portion.  Open carry within your home county is still iffy. This was from one of the sponsors of the bill.

[DeltaBoy]

I worry about the open carry in your home county being legal until lawsuits come out.  But it's very open to interpretation.  The only way I have had it explained to me by one of the State Representatives is your safe to open carry if you are out of your home county the "journey" portion.  Open carry within your home county is still iffy. This was from one of the sponsors of the bill.

Yep I will bet it gets canned in PB, and Little Rock.

[Old Tusk]

I worry about the open carry in your home county being legal until lawsuits come out.  But it's very open to interpretation.  The only way I have had it explained to me by one of the State Representatives is your safe to open carry if you are out of your home county the "journey" portion.  Open carry within your home county is still iffy. This was from one of the sponsors of the bill.

Where does it say you open carry in your home county? Where does it say you canopen carry anywhere but on your own property or in your car if you are leaving your home county?

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

Yep I will bet it gets canned in PB, and Little Rock.

See your point.....& that's 2 cities where it may be needed most...

[AnonymousHog]

Where does it say you open carry in your home county? Where does it say you canopen carry anywhere but on your own property or in your car if you are leaving your home county?

A person commits the offense of carrying a weapon if he or she possesses
a handgun, knife, or club on or about his or her person, in a vehicle occupied by him or her, or otherwise readily available for use with a purpose to attempt to unlawfully
employ the handgun, knife, or club as a weapon against a person

By this language it's written in a way that you can carry a handgun for protection as long as you don't plan to use it illegally.  If you have to use it then it's on the courts to decided were you carrying it for protection or with the intent to unlawfully use it to harm another person.

[Old Tusk]

A person commits the offense of carrying a weapon if he or she possesses
a handgun, knife, or club on or about his or her person, in a vehicle occupied by him or her, or otherwise readily available for use with a purpose to attempt to unlawfully
employ the handgun, knife, or club as a weapon against a person

OBy this language it's written in a way that you can carry a handgun for protection as long as you don't plan to use it illegally.  If you have to use it then it's on the courts to decided were you carrying it for protection or with the intent to unlawfully use it to harm another person.

I would hate to take that to court asa defense. The open carry law got crushef. Even if we assume you are right, don't you think that hole would get filled quickly. This is just open carry law groups trying to claim victory from thier crushing defeat.  Open carty your gun to Walmart tommorrow, love to see how thst turns out.

[Kodiak]

  I don't know how many times I parked my truck with a shotgun in the rack in the back window in the school parking lot when I was in HS

In the 60's, if there was a pickup, there was a firearm. No big deal.

[pigture perfect]

One benefit of having a CCP is that it speeds things up when purchasing new firearms. I think I will still renew it, and most definitely be concealed when carrying.

[AnonymousHog]

I would hate to take that to court asa defense. The open carry law got crushef. Even if we assume you are right, don't you think that hole would get filled quickly. This is just open carry law groups trying to claim victory from thier crushing defeat.  Open carty your gun to Walmart tommorrow, love to see how thst turns out.

Law isn't in effect yet.  So why would I open carry my gun to walmart tomorrow?  Also I'm not on a journey so why would I do that?

[kingofdequeen]

don't forget your dusters.  that's gotta be a pre-req for open carry, right?

[AnonymousHog]

I would hate to take that to court asa defense. The open carry law got crushef. Even if we assume you are right, don't you think that hole would get filled quickly. This is just open carry law groups trying to claim victory from thier crushing defeat.  Open carty your gun to Walmart tommorrow, love to see how thst turns out.

Again I'm just conveying the information I received from the lawmakers that wrote and those that sponsored the bill.  As well as seeing the quotes from the Arkansas State Police office in their support for the bill.  Take that information with it as you want or pick up the phone call the lawmakers behind the bill and get the information over it all and read for yourself.

[kingofdequeen]

Again I'm just conveying the information I received from the lawmakers that wrote and those that sponsored the bill.  As well as seeing the quotes from the Arkansas State Police office in their support for the bill.  Take that information with it as you want or pick up the phone call the lawmakers behind the bill and get the information over it all and read for yourself.

HA!

you think they wrote that bill?

[AnonymousHog]

I know the lawyers who helped write the changes and legal paperwork for it as well as Denny Altes who was the lead sponsor of the bill.

[kingofdequeen]

I know the lawyers who helped write the changes and legal paperwork for it as well as Denny Altes who was the lead sponsor of the bill.

he's a peach.  he showed up to an oversight committee the other day wearing a hawaiian shirt, untucked, and sunglasses.  just the respect for arkansas and the office that arkansans deserve.

still, if you think they wrote that bill, you're mistaken.

[Hawgon]

I don't know about open carry, but I simply do not see how a prosecution could be sustained for someone caring a gun in a vehicle in a manner that was considered unlawful before this law was passed.  Simply say that you were traveling to a town in another county and they couldn't prove otherwise.  It wouldn't matter if you were stopped ten feet from your front door or ten miles down the road.

[AnonymousHog]

he's a peach.  he showed up to an oversight committee the other day wearing a hawaiian shirt, untucked, and sunglasses.  just the respect for arkansas and the office that arkansans deserve.

still, if you think they wrote that bill, you're mistaken.

Please give me names then.

[95_alum]

Does this take effect starting today or August 16?

[Hawgon]

I see Dusty agrees with my reasoning.  The burden is now shifted to the state to prove that you weren't traveling when one is stopped with a loaded handgun in your automobile.  If you are outside your county, the rule is clear and the defense is valid.  If you are inside your county, it will be the burden of the state to prove that you were not beginning a journey and in most circumstances, that would be an impossible task for the state if you keep your mouth shut.

It is de facto legalization of concealed carry in automobiles without permit, but I never could get open carry out of it.  It is very similar to the Texas statute passed in 2007.

[DeltaBoy]

I open carry on my farm and at my house.

[hawgs34]

I do too, Delta.  I have two sections of ground in adjoining counties.  Do you guys agree that it is now legal for me to leave the gun concealed when traveling to and from each farm, even without a permit?  If so, do I have to unload the thing?  Thanks for your help. 

[95_alum]

Open Carry march tomorrow. Fort Smith
http://m.arkansasonline.com/news/2013/aug/23/gun-rights-group-plans-open-carry-march/

The Attorney General's opinion is not binding under law.
Starts around the 8:20 mark:
http://guntalk.libsyn.com/guntalk-2013-08-18-part-b

[kingofdequeen]

The Attorney General's opinion is not binding under law.

umm...that's news.

[Grizzlyfan]

umm...that's news.

The attorney generals opinion is just his opinion of how a court interpret or rule on the constitutionality of the law.

[PEtrader]

he's a peach.  he showed up to an oversight committee the other day wearing a hawaiian shirt, untucked, and sunglasses.  just the respect for arkansas and the office that arkansans deserve.

still, if you think they wrote that bill, you're mistaken.

Denny is hilarious.