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Andre 3000:

Just something to give the fans to spark hate vs Ole Piss, who do you think has a better alltime history in football? Arkansas or Ole Miss?

huggerfrommanila:

hogs. not even close. ole miss more or less punted the 30 years in between mannings.

good historic games between the teams with the old cotton bowls and the 7 ot game. glad hogs play in oxford every other year, short drive for me and always a good time.

sowmonella:

Ole Miss 628-492-35  55.9% :puke:
Hogs      682-464-40   59.2% :razorback:



oldfart:

ole miss had a great program under johnny vaught, were ranked high for many years..  woulld be close to arkansas.  i wasnt around (at least around here) for the ole miss-arkansas rivalry games


Andre 3000:


--- Quote from: sowmonella on January 11, 2013, 05:26:02 pm ---Ole Miss 628-492-35  55.9% :puke:
Hogs      682-464-40   59.2% :razorback:

--- End quote ---

Haha true true. but here's another stat:
Ole Miss 22-12 bowl record, 63% winning percentage
Arkansas 13-23-3 bowl record 37% winning percentage

Andre 3000:


--- Quote from: huggerfrommanila on January 11, 2013, 04:43:43 pm ---hogs. not even close. ole miss more or less punted the 30 years in between mannings.

good historic games between the teams with the old cotton bowls and the 7 ot game. glad hogs play in oxford every other year, short drive for me and always a good time.

--- End quote ---

true that, but what if somebody brings up the 2-3 national titles that ole miss has, along with the nfl stars they produce?

3BoarsDown:

What if someone brings up how many time Ole Mess has been to Atlanta?

I mean even MSU has an Atlanta trip under their belt.

The Boar War:


--- Quote from: Andre 3000 on January 11, 2013, 05:41:01 pm ---true that, but what if somebody brings up the 2-3 national titles that ole miss has, along with the nfl stars they produce?

--- End quote ---

Well then I guess you'd just have to go on head to head results.


Total Games Played

59
Win-Loss-Tie

32-27-1

Win Percentage

0.533

Conf Games Played

22
Win-Loss-Tie

13-9-0
Win Percentage

0.591


But I'm guessing there's a point to all this so why don't you go ahead with it?

HogWall Jackson:

JFB never beat Johnny Vaught.

hogwild2882:

So Andre3000 is your only purpose on these boards to go around touting that school in Jonesboro and trying to bring down the Razorbacks?  If so, why even peruse this site?

Also Arkansas and Ole Miss each have 21 players in the NFL right now

stchane:

Ole Miss hasn't won a conference title since 1962, and hasn't won a division title ever.

The Hawg Marshal:

Fifty years...fifty.

Root66:

Arkansas has 8 members in the College football Hall of Fame including Frank Broyles

Mississippi has 7 members, six players and Johnny Vaught.

Arkansas has two members in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

So does Ole Miss.

HAWGTILLTHEDIRT:


--- Quote from: Andre 3000 on January 11, 2013, 05:37:57 pm ---Haha true true. but here's another stat:
Ole Miss 22-12 bowl record, 63% winning percentage
Arkansas 13-23-3 bowl record 37% winning percentage

--- End quote ---
ha ha ha heres one more  stat  for you most ncaa titles all sports #1ucla #2stanford #3usc #4oklahoma state #5 arkansas

The Hawg Marshal:

Is JFB not in the Hall? That surprises me.

HogWall Jackson:


--- Quote from: Root66 on January 11, 2013, 06:32:36 pm ---Arkansas has 7 members in the College football Hall of Fame...all players

Mississippi has 7 members, six players and Johnny Vaught.

Arkansas has two members in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

So does Ole Miss.

--- End quote ---

Root, most people don't remember how good this Vaught Team's were in the 50s and 60s. They were tough.

Root66:


--- Quote from: The Hawg Marshal on January 11, 2013, 06:44:27 pm ---Is JFB not in the Hall? That surprises me.

--- End quote ---

Yeah he is...they had him listed under Missouri, Arkansas rather than Arkansas, Missouri. Idiots.

The Boar War:


--- Quote from: Root66 on January 11, 2013, 06:48:45 pm ---Yeah he is...they had him listed under Missouri, Arkansas rather than Arkansas, Missouri. Idiots.

--- End quote ---

You've got to be kidding.

Andre 3000:


--- Quote from: hogwild2882 on January 11, 2013, 06:00:20 pm ---So Andre3000 is your only purpose on these boards to go around touting that school in Jonesboro and trying to bring down the Razorbacks?  If so, why even peruse this site?

Also Arkansas and Ole Miss each have 21 players in the NFL right now

--- End quote ---

No it's not. I just love to hear the people's voice on different topics. Im not even a red wolf fan. I just love sports arguments.

Doug:

You know, you could have looked this up yourself. :)

http://gridironhistory.com/profile/Arkansas.html
http://gridironhistory.com/profile/Ole%20Miss.html
http://gridironhistory.com/versus/Arkansas/Ole%20Miss.html

Shoat61:

In the '40's and '50's, particularly the '50's, Ole Miss was a power nationally and particularly in the South.  Their two main rivals were LSU and Arkansas, both of which they basically dominated.  But, it was also very often a game of upsets.  Arkansas absolutely "hated" Ole Miss.  The number one cheer was "Go to Hell, Ole Miss, Go to Hell".  It could be yelled at any time, not just at the game.  That is one reason the 1954 Powder River Play game had so much significance in Arkansas.
It is also true that Broyles cancelled the Ole Miss series (which was played the week after Texas) because he realized that Arkansas would never concentrate on Texas and the SWC Championship as long as beating Ole Miss "made" a successful season no matter how many other games the Hogs won.

PonderinHog:


--- Quote from: Root66 on January 11, 2013, 06:32:36 pm ---Arkansas has 8 members in the College football Hall of Fame including Frank Broyles

Mississippi has 7 members, six players and Johnny Vaught.

Arkansas has two members in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

So does Ole Miss.

--- End quote ---
Wasn't one of our HOFers from Mississippi?

Root66:


--- Quote from: PonderinHog on January 12, 2013, 12:47:00 pm ---Wasn't one of our HOFers from Mississippi?

--- End quote ---

Yes, Alworth. And one of their HOFers was from Arkansas.

DeltaBoy:


--- Quote from: Shoat61 on January 12, 2013, 12:13:24 pm ---In the '40's and '50's, particularly the '50's, Ole Miss was a power nationally and particularly in the South.  Their two main rivals were LSU and Arkansas, both of which they basically dominated.  But, it was also very often a game of upsets.  Arkansas absolutely "hated" Ole Miss.  The number one cheer was "Go to Hell, Ole Miss, Go to Hell".  It could be yelled at any time, not just at the game.  That is one reason the 1954 Powder River Play game had so much significance in Arkansas.
It is also true that Broyles cancelled the Ole Miss series (which was played the week after Texas) because he realized that Arkansas would never concentrate on Texas and the SWC Championship as long as beating Ole Miss "made" a successful season no matter how many other games the Hogs won.

--- End quote ---

This is how my Grandparents felt;they hated Ole Miss more than TX.

Andre 3000:


--- Quote from: wmemphisspider on January 11, 2013, 06:43:23 pm ---ha ha ha heres one more  stat  for you most ncaa titles all sports #1ucla #2stanford #3usc #4oklahoma state #5 arkansas

--- End quote ---

Bro im talking about football, not all sports. Plus you had the top 4 right, but lsu and texas are tied for #5, but thats not the point.

go hogues:

I hate OM way more than TX. (I'm 30)

Somehow, we're 2-3 against them the last five years...

Arkansas Fan:


--- Quote from: Andre 3000 on January 11, 2013, 05:37:57 pm ---Haha true true. but here's another stat:
Ole Miss 22-12 bowl record, 63% winning percentage
Arkansas 13-23-3 bowl record 37% winning percentage

--- End quote ---

I'm pretty sure that's not updated. I think we're up to 14 or 15 wins.

redeye:

ESPN's prestige rankings are meant to answer this very question:

19. Arkansas
20. Texas A&M
21. Auburn
T22. Clemson
T22. Colorado
24. Ole Miss

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3846173

Ray Piggers:


--- Quote from: Andre 3000 on January 11, 2013, 05:41:01 pm ---true that, but what if somebody brings up the 2-3 national titles that ole miss has, along with the nfl stars they produce?

--- End quote ---

Hogs can claim 4. ;)



Andre 3000:


--- Quote from: Arkansas Fan on January 12, 2013, 10:26:48 pm ---I'm pretty sure that's not updated. I think we're up to 14 or 15 wins.

--- End quote ---

1
 T
 01-01-1934
 7
 Centenary (LA)
 7
 Dixie Classic
 
2
 T
 01-01-1947
 0
 Louisiana St.
 0
 Cotton Bowl
 
3
 W
 01-01-1948
 21
 William & Mary (VA)
 19
 Dixie Bowl
 
4
 L
 01-01-1955
 6
 Georgia Tech
 14
 Cotton Bowl
 
5
 W
 01-02-1960
 14
 Georgia Tech
 7
 Gator Bowl
 
6
 L
 01-02-1961
 6
 Duke (NC)
 7
 Cotton Bowl
 
7
 L
 01-01-1962
 3
 Alabama
 10
 Sugar Bowl
 
8
 L
 01-01-1963
 13
 Mississippi
 17
 Sugar Bowl
 
9
 W
 01-01-1965
 10
 Nebraska
 7
 Cotton Bowl
 
10
 L
 01-01-1966
 7
 Louisiana St.
 14
 Cotton Bowl
 
11
 W
 01-01-1969
 16
 Georgia
 2
 Sugar Bowl
 
12
 L
 01-01-1970
 22
 Mississippi
 27
 Sugar Bowl
 
13
 L
 12-20-1971
 13
 Tennessee
 14
 Liberty Bowl
 
14
 W
 01-01-1976
 31
 Georgia
 10
 Cotton Bowl
 
15
 W
 01-02-1978
 31
 Oklahoma
 6
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16
 T
 12-25-1978
 10
 UCLA
 10
 Fiesta Bowl
 
17
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 01-01-1980
 9
 Alabama
 24
 Sugar Bowl
 
18
 W
 12-27-1980
 34
 Tulane (LA)
 15
 Hall of Fame Classic
 
19
 L
 12-28-1981
 27
 North Carolina
 31
 Gator Bowl
 
20
 W
 12-31-1982
 28
 Florida
 24
 Bluebonnet Bowl
 
21
 L
 12-27-1984
 15
 Auburn (AL)
 21
 Liberty Bowl
 
22
 W
 12-22-1985
 18
 Arizona St.
 17
 Holiday Bowl (1)
 
23
 L
 01-01-1987
 8
 Oklahoma
 42
 Orange Bowl
 
24
 L
 12-29-1987
 17
 Georgia
 20
 Liberty Bowl
 
25
 L
 01-02-1989
 3
 UCLA
 17
 Cotton Bowl
 
26
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 01-01-1990
 27
 Tennessee
 31
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27
 L
 12-29-1991
 15
 Georgia
 24
 Independence Bowl
 
28
 L
 12-30-1995
 10
 North Carolina
 20
 Carquest Bowl
 
29
 L
 01-01-1999
 31
 Michigan
 45
 Florida Citrus Bowl
 
30
 W
 01-01-2000
 27
 Texas
 6
 Cotton Bowl
 
31
 L
 12-21-2000
 14
 Nevada-Las Vegas
 31
 Las Vegas Bowl
 
32
 L
 01-01-2002
 3
 Oklahoma
 10
 Cotton Bowl
 
33
 L
 12-30-2002
 14
 Minnesota
 29
 Music City Bowl
 
34
 W
 12-31-2003
 27
 Missouri
 14
 Independence Bowl
 
35
 L
 01-01-2007
 14
 Wisconsin
 17
 Capital One Bowl
 
36
 L
 01-01-2008
 7
 Missouri
 38
 Cotton Bowl
 
37
 W
 01-02-2010
 20
 East Carolina (NC)
 17
 Liberty Bowl
 
38
 L
 01-04-2011
 26
 Ohio St.
 31
 Sugar Bowl - Ohio St. Vacated Game
 
39
 W
 01-06-2012
 29
 Kansas S
 


oldfart:

i grew up in the "Old" SEC in the 50s.  at that time and into the 60s under Vaught Ole Miss was one of the premier programs in the nation.  obviously has been a whipping boy in recent years but certainly was highly respected and feared in that era

Michael D Huff AIA:

I've told my son that we will let him go to any college he wants to except Ole Miss, LSU, or Texas.  End of discussion.

NaturalStateReb:

Arkansas and Ole Miss have a lot in common.  Before the league expanded to take in A&M, Arkansas played more games against Ole Miss than any other conference opponent, and the series is pretty close:  about 32-26-1 (there's a disputed 1914 game--Ole Miss won 14-7, but Arkansas claims Ole Miss used an ineligible player). 

Both have legendary, Hall of Fame coaches in Broyles and Vaught.  Both have claimed national titles.  Both have great traditions.

The big divergence in the programs happened in the 1970s.  Integration affected Ole Miss in ways that it didn't really affect Arkansas, and Arkansas handled its transition from Broyles to post-Broyles far better than Ole Miss handled its transition from Vaught to post-Vaught.  While Broyles kept his hand on the rudder as AD after leaving the HC's post, the Ole Miss program was basically hijaked and cratered by the Kinard brothers. 

When Tad Smith, who had been AD since 1946, retired in 1970 the university hired Frank Kinard to replace him.  Frank "Bruiser" Kinard was an Ole Miss football legend and NFL Hall of Famer.  Vaught retired after the 1970 season due to a heart attack, and Frank hired his younger brother Billy to replace Vaught.  Billy went 10-2 in 1971 but immediately began alienating Ole Miss alumni, going so far as a verbal showdown during an alumni dinner in Jackson where Billy Kinard informed those same alumni that he, and not they, were in charge at Ole Miss.

Alumni support took a nosedive, as did the Rebels' on-field success.  Ole Miss went a disappointing 5-5 in 1972, and after the team opened up 1-2 in 1973, including upset losses to Missouri and Memphis State, the Ole Miss fanbase had enough of the Kinards.  Alumni took out a full-page ad in the Jackson paper calling for Billy Kinard's resignation.  Ole Miss sacked both the Kinard brothers in September, 1973.  Vaught came back from retirement to coach the remainder of the season.  The kind of fan and alumni support Vaught had never really rematerialized in Oxford.

Ken Cooper and Steve Sloan both flamed out at Ole Miss in the 70s.  Billy Brewer had occasionally good teams through the 80s, then led Ole Miss to the worst NCAA sanctions in the early 90s since SMU's death penalty.  Ole Miss didn't really get its program on track again until Tommy Tuberville. 

During all of the Ole Miss turmoil, Arkansas continued to have success during the Holtz and Hatfield years.  Right now, you've got to say that Arkansas is ahead of Ole Miss.  The gap isn't as wide as some Hog fans would like to believe, but it definitely exists--the main place you can see it is in facilities.  Arkansas was able to move ahead because its program has been consistently managed better than Ole Miss' since 1970.

Fanofthegame:

All this info in one place for one opponent in a nicely done thread. We as hogvillians had good discussion on this one. Lets do this for all our opponents, its cool to see it all in one place and compared directly with our team. Thanks guys good job.

oh and  ::hornsdown::

Root66:


--- Quote from: oldfart on January 14, 2013, 05:17:43 am ---i grew up in the "Old" SEC in the 50s.  at that time and into the 60s under Vaught Ole Miss was one of the premier programs in the nation.  obviously has been a whipping boy in recent years but certainly was highly respected and feared in that era

--- End quote ---

And were "screwed" out of a N.C. by the polls in, I believe, 1960 by Minnesota, a team that finished the season and bowl with two losses. Because of that stupid pre-bowl final poll.

Of course that is also the year that Alan Greene kicked his FG with a couple of seconds left only to have the refs decide it didn't count because someone had called time-out. So he got another chance and missed the second attempt by a couple of feet to a couple of yards...but Tommy Bell, the referee, called it good. We lost 10-7.

DeltaBoy:

The First print I saw of a little Razorback boy peeing on a State it was the state of Mississippi.

huggerfrommanila:

i think its bad idea to play ole miss at wms. they had a ton of fans there last fall because its such a short drive from north miss. i talked to a big group of them at the flying saucer the night before the game and they were so happy the game was in little rock.

Blue35:

The 1960 game in LR was a wild event.

Dogtown Donkey:

Basically, what I get from this is that the Razorback hatred linage goes Ole Miss --> Texas --> LSU.

I'm only 30, so I only feel it for LSU.

redeye:


--- Quote from: NaturalStateReb on January 14, 2013, 08:55:56 am ---Arkansas and Ole Miss have a lot in common.  Before the league expanded to take in A&M, Arkansas played more games against Ole Miss than any other conference opponent, and the series is pretty close:  about 32-26-1 (there's a disputed 1914 game--Ole Miss won 14-7, but Arkansas claims Ole Miss used an ineligible player). 

Both have legendary, Hall of Fame coaches in Broyles and Vaught.  Both have claimed national titles.  Both have great traditions.

The big divergence in the programs happened in the 1970s.  Integration affected Ole Miss in ways that it didn't really affect Arkansas, and Arkansas handled its transition from Broyles to post-Broyles far better than Ole Miss handled its transition from Vaught to post-Vaught.  While Broyles kept his hand on the rudder as AD after leaving the HC's post, the Ole Miss program was basically hijaked and cratered by the Kinard brothers. 

When Tad Smith, who had been AD since 1946, retired in 1970 the university hired Frank Kinard to replace him.  Frank "Bruiser" Kinard was an Ole Miss football legend and NFL Hall of Famer.  Vaught retired after the 1970 season due to a heart attack, and Frank hired his younger brother Billy to replace Vaught.  Billy went 10-2 in 1971 but immediately began alienating Ole Miss alumni, going so far as a verbal showdown during an alumni dinner in Jackson where Billy Kinard informed those same alumni that he, and not they, were in charge at Ole Miss.

Alumni support took a nosedive, as did the Rebels' on-field success.  Ole Miss went a disappointing 5-5 in 1972, and after the team opened up 1-2 in 1973, including upset losses to Missouri and Memphis State, the Ole Miss fanbase had enough of the Kinards.  Alumni took out a full-page ad in the Jackson paper calling for Billy Kinard's resignation.  Ole Miss sacked both the Kinard brothers in September, 1973.  Vaught came back from retirement to coach the remainder of the season.  The kind of fan and alumni support Vaught had never really rematerialized in Oxford.

Ken Cooper and Steve Sloan both flamed out at Ole Miss in the 70s.  Billy Brewer had occasionally good teams through the 80s, then led Ole Miss to the worst NCAA sanctions in the early 90s since SMU's death penalty.  Ole Miss didn't really get its program on track again until Tommy Tuberville. 

During all of the Ole Miss turmoil, Arkansas continued to have success during the Holtz and Hatfield years.  Right now, you've got to say that Arkansas is ahead of Ole Miss.  The gap isn't as wide as some Hog fans would like to believe, but it definitely exists--the main place you can see it is in facilities.  Arkansas was able to move ahead because its program has been consistently managed better than Ole Miss' since 1970.

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Nice write-up!

The thing I find sad with Ole Miss fans is that they seem willing to accept what's happened to them, unless they're part of the problem in the first place. It seems like integration should have helped them, so I have to guess they caused that problem, right?

Nowadays, they sit in a talent-rich state and receive big money from SEC TV contracts. Yet, all their neighbors plunder the state for talent (I don't need to hear how they share it with MSU) and their athletic budget is just pathetic.

Unlike Ole Miss fans, I don't think it has to be that way, but they seem to think there's nothing they can do about it. I just feel sorry for them, but you reap what you sow.

NaturalStateReb:


--- Quote from: redeye on January 14, 2013, 05:03:02 pm ---Nice write-up!

The thing I find sad with Ole Miss fans is that they seem willing to accept what's happened to them, unless they're part of the problem in the first place. It seems like integration should have helped them, so I have to guess they caused that problem, right?

Nowadays, they sit in a talent-rich state and receive big money from SEC TV contracts. Yet, all their neighbors plunder the state for talent (I don't need to hear how they share it with MSU) and their athletic budget is just pathetic.

Unlike Ole Miss fans, I don't think it has to be that way, but they seem to think there's nothing they can do about it. I just feel sorry for them, but you reap what you sow.

--- End quote ---

Ole Miss definitely caused its own problems on integration.  First off, we had a failure of leadership.  At Alabama, Bear Bryant helped lead the school into integration because it would help Bama win.  Vaught, for all the positive things he did, didn't do that at Ole Miss.  Mississippi was also more militantly anti-integration than Arkansas ever was.  There's always been a segement of the fanbase who have looked at Ole Miss like it's some kind of weird Confederate/Old South museum, rather than a changing, dynamic state university.  I think that Ole Miss has finally put enough daylight between it and the 60s that that's less of a factor all of the time.

I think there's been a major air of complacency in the Ole Miss fanbase for a very long time, and you're right, it's been pretty sad to witness.  There was a contingent of fans who thought, hey, we were national powers not long ago, let's just go win the party on the Grove.  These are the same fans who saw Billy Brewer's occasional trips to the Liberty Bowl as some sort of Silver Age of Rebel Football.  Then one day they woke up and 1962 was 50 years ago.

Fortunately, things have changed a lot recently.  Between State's resurgence and the 16-game conference losing streak, a lot of Rebel fans have had the rose-colored glasses pretty forcefully slapped off their faces.  Fan discontent got so strong that they forced both Nutt and AD Pete Boone out of their jobs.  That's one thing Nutt seems to be able to do--energize fan bases, although not necessarily in a positive way.  Freeze isn't a "let's just kick back and hope we can we win somtimes" guy, and the fanbase is finally hungry for a winner.

I can't tell you how many frustrating experiences I've had at Vaught-Hemingway.  I often sat in the stands and wondered, "Why the hell do we put with this?  No one else in the SEC would." 

huggerfrommanila:

the problem for ole miss and msu is each other (and southern miss). too many schools for poor low population state trying to play big time cfb. also location of the schools. people on the coast are lsu fans because it's closer than oxford or starkville. people in east ms are alabama fans for the same reason. hog fans are lucky we dont have to worry about that. need to keep playing in lr to make sure it doesnt become a problem going forward.

Root66:


--- Quote from: NaturalStateReb on January 14, 2013, 08:55:56 am ---Arkansas and Ole Miss have a lot in common.  Before the league expanded to take in A&M, Arkansas played more games against Ole Miss than any other conference opponent, and the series is pretty close:  about 32-26-1 (there's a disputed 1914 game--Ole Miss won 14-7, but Arkansas claims Ole Miss used an ineligible player). 

Both have legendary, Hall of Fame coaches in Broyles and Vaught.  Both have claimed national titles.  Both have great traditions.

The big divergence in the programs happened in the 1970s.  Integration affected Ole Miss in ways that it didn't really affect Arkansas, and Arkansas handled its transition from Broyles to post-Broyles far better than Ole Miss handled its transition from Vaught to post-Vaught.  While Broyles kept his hand on the rudder as AD after leaving the HC's post, the Ole Miss program was basically hijaked and cratered by the Kinard brothers. 

When Tad Smith, who had been AD since 1946, retired in 1970 the university hired Frank Kinard to replace him.  Frank "Bruiser" Kinard was an Ole Miss football legend and NFL Hall of Famer.  Vaught retired after the 1970 season due to a heart attack, and Frank hired his younger brother Billy to replace Vaught.  Billy went 10-2 in 1971 but immediately began alienating Ole Miss alumni, going so far as a verbal showdown during an alumni dinner in Jackson where Billy Kinard informed those same alumni that he, and not they, were in charge at Ole Miss.

Alumni support took a nosedive, as did the Rebels' on-field success.  Ole Miss went a disappointing 5-5 in 1972, and after the team opened up 1-2 in 1973, including upset losses to Missouri and Memphis State, the Ole Miss fanbase had enough of the Kinards.  Alumni took out a full-page ad in the Jackson paper calling for Billy Kinard's resignation.  Ole Miss sacked both the Kinard brothers in September, 1973.  Vaught came back from retirement to coach the remainder of the season.  The kind of fan and alumni support Vaught had never really rematerialized in Oxford.

Ken Cooper and Steve Sloan both flamed out at Ole Miss in the 70s.  Billy Brewer had occasionally good teams through the 80s, then led Ole Miss to the worst NCAA sanctions in the early 90s since SMU's death penalty.  Ole Miss didn't really get its program on track again until Tommy Tuberville. 

During all of the Ole Miss turmoil, Arkansas continued to have success during the Holtz and Hatfield years (Until he pulled his disappearing act).  Right now, you've got to say that Arkansas is ahead of Ole Miss.  The gap isn't as wide as some Hog fans would like to believe, but it definitely exists--the main place you can see it is in facilities.  Arkansas was able to move ahead because its program has been consistently managed better than Ole Miss' since 1970.

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You mean to tell me that Billy Kinard pulled a Kenny Hatfield? With the GOBN? Unbelievable...I didn't know that stuff happens anywhere except Arkansas! By the way, terrific post NSR.

SgtPepper:


--- Quote from: Blue35 on January 14, 2013, 04:26:49 pm ---The 1960 game in LR was a wild event.

--- End quote ---
Could you elaborate?

I believe that must be the game that I've heard my Father talk about before.  The game supposedly came down to a field goal at the end of the game.  Some people thought it was good and others didn't think it was.  Then immediately following the game there was a big fight.  At least that's the story my Dad told.

My Father always said that's the reason Ole Miss and Arkansas quit playing.

jry04:


--- Quote from: Andre 3000 on January 11, 2013, 05:37:57 pm ---Haha true true. but here's another stat:
Ole Miss 22-12 bowl record, 63% winning percentage
Arkansas 13-23-3 bowl record 37% winning percentage

--- End quote ---
What were the bowls? If we played in bowls vs 6-6 C-USA teams every time we made abowl than we would have a good record in bowl games, too. They haven't played in too many quality bowl games.

oldhawg:


--- Quote from: SgtPepper on January 15, 2013, 01:13:14 pm ---Could you elaborate?

I believe that must be the game that I've heard my Father talk about before.  The game supposedly came down to a field goal at the end of the game.  Some people thought it was good and others didn't think it was.  Then immediately following the game there was a big fight.  At least that's the story my Dad told.

My Father always said that's the reason Ole Miss and Arkansas quit playing.

--- End quote ---



"The 1960 contest between the teams was won by Ole Miss 107 at War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock, Arkansas, on their way to a final record of 1001 for the 1960 season and the second of their three claimed national championships. Sometimes called the Tommy Bell game by Arkansas fans, he called a timeout in an attempt to quiet Razorback fans.[11] Rebel Allen Green did not hear the whistle and kicked the ball through the uprights. After the timeout, fans swear Bell signaled that the kick was good as soon as Green connected with the ball. Fans also swear that the kick was no good. Fighting broke out all around the stadium and because of this, the annual series between the two schools was played the next year in Jackson and then was canceled until the two teams renewed the series in 1981."


I am sure that I must have been among the 200,000 or so fans who claim to have been sitting in the South End Zone that night.  :)

SgtPepper:


--- Quote from: oldhawg on January 15, 2013, 01:37:12 pm ---

"The 1960 contest between the teams was won by Ole Miss 107 at War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock, Arkansas, on their way to a final record of 1001 for the 1960 season and the second of their three claimed national championships. Sometimes called the Tommy Bell game by Arkansas fans, he called a timeout in an attempt to quiet Razorback fans.[11] Rebel Allen Green did not hear the whistle and kicked the ball through the uprights. After the timeout, fans swear Bell signaled that the kick was good as soon as Green connected with the ball. Fans also swear that the kick was no good. Fighting broke out all around the stadium and because of this, the annual series between the two schools was played the next year in Jackson and then was canceled until the two teams renewed the series in 1981."


I am sure that I must have been among the 200,000 or so fans who claim to have been sitting in the South End Zone that night.  :)

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Thanks for your answer!  I've always kinda wondered about that.

NaturalStateReb:


--- Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2013, 01:15:32 pm ---What were the bowls? If we played in bowls vs 6-6 C-USA teams every time we made abowl than we would have a good record in bowl games, too. They haven't played in too many quality bowl games.

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The bowl histories are fairly comparable, but the teams also played in different leagues with different tie-ins for a long time.

Arkansas Bowl Appearances
Cotton 11
Sugar 6
Liberty 3
Gator 2
Dixie 2
Independence 2
Orange 1
Fiesta 1
Hall of Fame 1
Bluebonnet 1
Carquest 1
Citrus 1
Las Vegas 1
Capital One 1
Music City 1

Ole Miss Bowl Appearances
Sugar 8
Cotton 5
Independence 5
Gator 3
Liberty 3
Bluebonnet 2
Orange 1
Delta 1
Sun 1
Peach 1
Motor City 1
Music City 1
Compass 1

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