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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2013, 02:16:06 pm »

I hope this mess between Nolan and Jonboy gets settled and we get to playing ball.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2013, 08:18:36 am »

Anything that gets Nolan out of DFW and off the radio here is great with me.  Couldn't listen to him talk for more than 5 seconds. Makes me insane.

Nolan needs to go tend his cows or feed or garden or whatever.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2013, 08:23:51 am »

So, Rangers fans, why the hell did they push Ryan out?  He built a damn fine ball club.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2013, 08:26:36 am »

So, Rangers fans, why the hell did they push Ryan out?  He built a damn fine ball club.

I am not nor have I ever been a Ranger fan, but I live in the area.  Delta does as well and he may say I'm crazy, but I think Nooooolaaaaan Ryaaaaaaan pushed himself out!
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« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2013, 08:28:29 am »

I am not nor have I ever been a Ranger fan, but I live in the area.  Delta does as well and he may say I'm crazy, but I think Nooooolaaaaan Ryaaaaaaan pushed himself out!

How? 
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« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2013, 08:35:51 am »

How? 

Nolan wants final say on everything.  Nolan didn't build that stocked farm system they currently enjoy.  Nolan may have been able to throw a fastball 100mph, but that doesn't mean he knows all things baseball.

Daniels and his scouting team wanted to make a coaching hire they had researched and all agreed on.  Nolan just said naaaw partners we are hiring this guy instead.  Was an old buddy of his.  Right then he splintered the higher ups and the entire staff that handles most of the day to day moves.  The owners I believe took away some of that veto and override power Nolan had because he was making decisions for the wrong reasons.  Nolan got his panties in a twist, and his ego was too large to go with the flow.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2013, 11:58:05 am »

We'll see how all this falls out !
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2013, 01:26:25 pm »

I'd be far more angry over 8 years 120 mil extension for Elvis Andrus.

That's an albatross of a contract.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2013, 04:06:15 pm »

I'd be far more angry over 8 years 120 mil extension for Elvis Andrus.

That's an albatross of a contract.

That blew my mind.
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« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2013, 05:59:16 pm »

I could be wrong, but I thought Ryan as the owner... Is it not within his right to run things the way he pleases?
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« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2013, 06:03:22 pm »

I could be wrong, but I thought Ryan as the owner... Is it not within his right to run things the way he pleases?

He is not THE owner.  He is part of a group that owns the club and I don't know his specific stake, but he is not the majority.  The group chose him as the leader.
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« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2013, 06:22:10 pm »

He is not THE owner.  He is part of a group that owns the club and I don't know his specific stake, but he is not the majority.  The group chose him as the leader.

Much like Magic Johnson I believe...

I just wonder what he's done negatively to get pushed out.  Is it not caving to the demands of FA's?  Oh well.  I also love his approach to pitchers.  Too many are babied now days.
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« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2013, 08:01:44 pm »

Much like Magic Johnson I believe...

I just wonder what he's done negatively to get pushed out.  Is it not caving to the demands of FA's?  Oh well.  I also love his approach to pitchers.  Too many are babied now days.

Magic would be a perfect example. 
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« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2013, 08:03:40 pm »

I could be wrong, but I thought Ryan as the owner... Is it not within his right to run things the way he pleases?

Part of the ownership group and I believe his percentage is 5% or less.
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« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2013, 08:04:38 pm »

Much like Magic Johnson I believe...

I just wonder what he's done negatively to get pushed out.  Is it not caving to the demands of FA's?  Oh well.  I also love his approach to pitchers.  Too many are babied now days.

I replied to you post earlier and gave you one example of how he is screwing up.
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« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2013, 08:34:20 pm »

I replied to you post earlier and gave you one example of how he is screwing up.

I saw that post, but it still doesn't give reason to question his moves and squeeze him out.  Has that move blown up?  It looks to me that the ownership took Daniel's side without reason.  If I was Ryan, I'd roll out and run the Astros.
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« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2013, 09:56:29 pm »

I saw that post, but it still doesn't give reason to question his moves and squeeze him out.  Has that move blown up?  It looks to me that the ownership took Daniel's side without reason.  If I was Ryan, I'd roll out and run the Astros.

It blew up within the organization.  When a management team and scouting department pick an employee and Cletus Earp say naw fellers I'm hiring my buddy and does so what do you figure every other person thinks at that point.  Nolan was never the end all be all in decision making. 
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« Reply #68 on: April 09, 2013, 02:06:28 pm »

I want Nolan to stay and Jon boy to GO!
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« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2013, 06:30:15 pm »

Nolan is just a face for the franchise. JD built this team.
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« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2013, 06:47:09 pm »

I want Nolan to stay and Jon boy to GO!

That's a horrible idea.
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« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2013, 10:33:53 pm »

I'd be far more angry over 8 years 120 mil extension for Elvis Andrus.

That's an albatross of a contract.

Why? He's one of the top shortstops in the game, at an extremely young age. He's improved every year. I love the contract.
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« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2013, 12:18:25 am »

Why? He's one of the top shortstops in the game, at an extremely young age. He's improved every year. I love the contract.


It's overpaying by leaps and bounds;    he's contracted well past his 30th birthday at 15 mil a year -- the second highest number of all of baseball,  including terrible Yankee contracts.

He's a plus player that has a game that's built around athleticism as much as superior skill;   he has a contract of a plus plus plus player,  where you can find  replacementish level production at half the cost.   

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« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2013, 12:31:37 am »


It's overpaying by leaps and bounds;    he's contracted well past his 30th birthday at 15 mil a year -- the second highest number of all of baseball,  including terrible Yankee contracts.

He's a plus player that has a game that's built around athleticism as much as superior skill;   he has a contract of a plus plus plus player,  where you can find  replacementish level production at half the cost.   

"the second highest number"

As in per season?  Because he's not even close to the highest paid.
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« Reply #74 on: April 11, 2013, 12:33:08 am »

"the second highest number"

As in per season?  Because he's not even close to the highest paid.

For shorstops, yes.

Jeter pulls down 15.7ish.    Andrus is at least as good a player as Jeter, but not worth twice a Tulo's wage.
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« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2013, 12:39:43 am »

For shorstops, yes.

Jeter pulls down 15.7ish.    Andrus is at least as good a player as Jeter, but not worth twice a Tulo's wage.

Gotcha, I don't think the contract is nearly as bad as some are making it out to be, but by the end, it will be an issue. 

Tulo on the other hand, is paid to stay on the field, and he doesn't.
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« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2013, 12:42:49 am »

Gotcha, I don't think the contract is nearly as bad as some are making it out to be, but by the end, it will be an issue. 

Tulo on the other hand, is paid to stay on the field, and he doesn't.

His production on the field is clearly better, though-- and at half the price.     You could pay Tulo's wage and another league replacement level sSS , and still find 3-5 million in real salary savings instead of paying 15 to Andrus.
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« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2013, 12:49:44 am »

His production on the field is clearly better, though-- and at half the price.     You could pay Tulo's wage and another league replacement level sSS , and still find 3-5 million in real salary savings instead of paying 15 to Andrus.

It's two thirds, $15 to $10M, this season.  After that Tulo is getting paid more, is four years older, and on a per game basis, could be grossly overpaid if he can't stay healthy.
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« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2013, 07:11:10 am »

It's two thirds, $15 to $10M, this season.  After that Tulo is getting paid more, is four years older, and on a per game basis, could be grossly overpaid if he can't stay healthy.

Ah, I saw Tulo's 2012 number, rather than his 2013 number--- but he is nowhere near as grossly overpaid as Andrus.      That 15M is a far worse number, still.
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« Reply #79 on: April 11, 2013, 07:32:38 am »

Ah, I saw Tulo's 2012 number, rather than his 2013 number--- but he is nowhere near as grossly overpaid as Andrus.      That 15M is a far worse number, still.

To be exact, Andrus is making less than $12M combined over the next two seasons and starts making big money after that.  Truth be told, he's a top three or four SS right now, and although a healthy Tulo is far better than all other SS's (nearly a top player regardless of position), Andrus can probably be expected to be either 1 or 2 in the SS rankings in two seasons depending on Tulo's health and Starlin Castro's development.

I really don't think the contract will hold them down that much unless their revenue falls off the table.  Kinsler is signed long term to a respectable contract as long as he's producing, and Darvish, Harrison, and Holland are all signed to very team friendly contracts if they keep pitching/improving.  Holland could be a wild card, as he has nasty stuff, but hasn't seemed be able to be consistent with it.  Feliz is also under team control for a couple more seasons.  He should be the best of the bunch.

They have some young talent that'll be cheap to fill several holes.  The biggest problems they might run into in the near future is the giant checkbook of the Angels and the baseball genius of Beane. 
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« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2013, 08:13:08 am »

For shorstops, yes.

Jeter pulls down 15.7ish.    Andrus is at least as good a player as Jeter, but not worth twice a Tulo's wage.

I realize Jeter has lost some range in the field, but last season.

Jeter.  316 avg 15 hr
Andrus 286 avg 3 hr.

Jeter did that at 100 years old, and has produced for years.  To even mention Andrus as "at least as good as Jeter to me is laughable.

As far as contracts go. Well the Rangers wanna be considered with the Big Boys of baseball they will have to spend like them. Good contracts or bad.



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« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2013, 08:29:56 am »

To be exact, Andrus is making less than $12M combined over the next two seasons and starts making big money after that.  Truth be told, he's a top three or four SS right now, and although a healthy Tulo is far better than all other SS's (nearly a top player regardless of position), Andrus can probably be expected to be either 1 or 2 in the SS rankings in two seasons depending on Tulo's health and Starlin Castro's development.

I really don't think the contract will hold them down that much unless their revenue falls off the table.  Kinsler is signed long term to a respectable contract as long as he's producing, and Darvish, Harrison, and Holland are all signed to very team friendly contracts if they keep pitching/improving.  Holland could be a wild card, as he has nasty stuff, but hasn't seemed be able to be consistent with it.  Feliz is also under team control for a couple more seasons.  He should be the best of the bunch.

They have some young talent that'll be cheap to fill several holes.  The biggest problems they might run into in the near future is the giant checkbook of the Angels and the baseball genius of Beane. 

A slew of good contracts does not excuse overpaying for a part, regardless of contingent revenue.      It's a bad signing--- he might be worth $7-8m,  rather than his current 2.7 per,  but that 15 million is an albatross.
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« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2013, 08:35:25 am »

I realize Jeter has lost some range in the field, but last season.

Jeter.  316 avg 15 hr
Andrus 286 avg 3 hr.

Jeter did that at 100 years old, and has produced for years.  To even mention Andrus as "at least as good as Jeter to me is laughable.

As far as contracts go. Well the Rangers wanna be considered with the Big Boys of baseball they will have to spend like them. Good contracts or bad.


Some range?  His defense has been a net liability for a decade, though they keep handing him Golden Gloves for his bat.    They got what they paid for last season, but Jeter is still 38, with a track record of mixed performance over the last 3 years--- he happened into his best year in that run;   his payment is largely for past performance,  an enormous no-no in cost management.


You know why teams like the Rangers aren't 'big boys'?   Because they make stupid decisions like signing Andrus for 120 million,  when they don't have anything like the Yankee/Dodger revenue streams.       They'll doom themselves to being unable to retain key pieces the more they throw bad money after good like this.

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« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2013, 09:28:52 am »

To be exact, Andrus is making less than $12M combined over the next two seasons and starts making big money after that.  Truth be told, he's a top three or four SS right now, and although a healthy Tulo is far better than all other SS's (nearly a top player regardless of position), Andrus can probably be expected to be either 1 or 2 in the SS rankings in two seasons depending on Tulo's health and Starlin Castro's development.
I'd throw Andrelton Simmons into the mix as a future star at SS as well.  Plus plus defender who has improved at the plate every year.  Won't be on Tulo's level because he lacks power, but could be much like Andrus.
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« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2013, 09:33:02 am »

I don't think the contract is absurd, but he is certainly overpaid.  Nowdays you pay for more than on field production though.
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« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2013, 10:00:08 am »

I raised an eyebrow at the Andrus contract. On the surface it seems high. We'll see how it plays out.
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« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2013, 10:03:08 am »

I raised an eyebrow at the Andrus contract. On the surface it seems high. We'll see how it plays out.

I think they have a bargain this year and next-- but it would have made more sense to rework it as a 10 year, 80 million dollar deal,  effective immediately, so he gets a short term windfall for a lower long term cost.
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« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2013, 11:59:14 am »

Erie, do you want to know what a real bad contract is? Paying a catcher with bad knees 23 million dollars a year for 8 years is a bad contract.

As far as Andrus goes...I trust Jon Daniels. There's a reason every GM considers him the best in the game.
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« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2013, 12:37:00 pm »

Erie, do you want to know what a real bad contract is? Paying a catcher with bad knees 23 million dollars a year for 8 years is a bad contract.



Even my Twins' in-laws thought that contract had potential "bad contact" written on it. Emotionally, they were/are happy to keep him, but financially they're wary.
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« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2013, 12:48:24 pm »

Erie, do you want to know what a real bad contract is? Paying a catcher with bad knees 23 million dollars a year for 8 years is a bad contract.

As far as Andrus goes...I trust Jon Daniels. There's a reason every GM considers him the best in the game.

He's more worth 23 million than Andrus is 15.    Yeah, it's a bad contract, though, particularly on the back end.
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« Reply #90 on: April 11, 2013, 03:25:57 pm »

Some range?  His defense has been a net liability for a decade, though they keep handing him Golden Gloves for his bat.    They got what they paid for last season, but Jeter is still 38, with a track record of mixed performance over the last 3 years--- he happened into his best year in that run;   his payment is largely for past performance,  an enormous no-no in cost management.


You know why teams like the Rangers aren't 'big boys'?   Because they make stupid decisions like signing Andrus for 120 million,  when they don't have anything like the Yankee/Dodger revenue streams.       They'll doom themselves to being unable to retain key pieces the more they throw bad money after good like this.



You can be a Yankee or Jeter hater all you want and it is evident with every post you are, but starting in 09

Shortstop overall has Ranked 3rd, 1st, 14th,

Andrus overall has ranked 18th, 7th, 21st, and 8th

Jeters Errors 8,6,12,10

Andrus errors 22,16,25,16


So I suppose the past 4 years everyone must be handing everything to Jeter.

Jeter last for years batting average 352, 270, 297, 316.  They also giving him 200+ hits every year?
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« Reply #91 on: April 11, 2013, 03:58:22 pm »

I won't argue the bat but Jeter has never been a great fielder.  In his prime he was average at best.  Now he is nothing short of a huge liability.

And errors are a horrible judge of fielding worth.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #92 on: April 11, 2013, 04:04:58 pm »

You can be a Yankee or Jeter hater all you want and it is evident with every post you are, but starting in 09

Shortstop overall has Ranked 3rd, 1st, 14th,

Andrus overall has ranked 18th, 7th, 21st, and 8th

Jeters Errors 8,6,12,10

Andrus errors 22,16,25,16


So I suppose the past 4 years everyone must be handing everything to Jeter.

Jeter last for years batting average 352, 270, 297, 316.  They also giving him 200+ hits every year?
FLD% and errors are not the best indicator.  Range factor would be much better IMO.  The calculation for range factor is (PO+A)/9 innings.

In 2012, Andrus had a range factor of 4.37.  Jeter had a range factor of 3.76.  The next lowest range factor was 4.14.

In 2011, Andrus had a range factor of 4.65.  Jeter's was 3.61.  The next lowest was 4.03.

In 2010, Andrus had a range factor of 4.48.  Jeter had the 2nd lowest that year at 3.78.

In 2009, Andrus had a range factor of 4.86.  Jeter had the lowest in the AL at 3.90.  The next lowest was 3.97.

Andrus has had a middle of the pack range factor each of the last 4 years, but Jeter had been at the bottom.  Since 2000, Jeter has finished last in range factor for qualifying SSs in the AL at least 8 times.  That means he is the worst defensive SS in the AL and has been for a decade.

Jeter is a great hitter, but he should have been a 2B/3B for his career instead of a SS.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #93 on: April 11, 2013, 08:00:00 pm »

FLD% and errors are not the best indicator.  Range factor would be much better IMO.  The calculation for range factor is (PO+A)/9 innings.

In 2012, Andrus had a range factor of 4.37.  Jeter had a range factor of 3.76.  The next lowest range factor was 4.14.

In 2011, Andrus had a range factor of 4.65.  Jeter's was 3.61.  The next lowest was 4.03.

In 2010, Andrus had a range factor of 4.48.  Jeter had the 2nd lowest that year at 3.78.

In 2009, Andrus had a range factor of 4.86.  Jeter had the lowest in the AL at 3.90.  The next lowest was 3.97.

Andrus has had a middle of the pack range factor each of the last 4 years, but Jeter had been at the bottom.  Since 2000, Jeter has finished last in range factor for qualifying SSs in the AL at least 8 times.  That means he is the worst defensive SS in the AL and has been for a decade.

Jeter is a great hitter, but he should have been a 2B/3B for his career instead of a SS.

I always love this stuff as a life long sales guy an sales trainer I can take any set of numbers and tell pretty much any story I want.

Fld% that's great.  Were they using that 15 years ago? Will they be in 15?  Errors yes.  Seen Elvis get to many balls Jeter wouldn't get near catching only to throw it 4 feet wide of first doing more damage than had it gone thru for a routine single.

Lets ask this question. Privately ask every manager ever to be in the bigs who would he prefer as his short stop. Derek Jeter or Elvis Andrus.  With the exception of Ron wash I would bet it would be unanimous Jeter.  Actually wash would probably agree.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #94 on: April 11, 2013, 08:23:42 pm »

Ozzie Smith who I am sure many of you think is the god of short stops.

Career fld 978
Jeter from the numbers I saw 977
Maybe my numbers are wrong or different.

Ozzie 19 years
Jeter thru 17 Jeter also has almost 1000 more hits, 225 More home runs, 450 more rbi's, and you guys are trying to mention Andrus with Jeter.

As some would say. Haters gonna hate.

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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2013, 09:48:47 pm »

Ozzie Smith who I am sure many of you think is the god of short stops.

Career fld 978
Jeter from the numbers I saw 977
Maybe my numbers are wrong or different.

Ozzie 19 years
Jeter thru 17 Jeter also has almost 1000 more hits, 225 More home runs, 450 more rbi's, and you guys are trying to mention Andrus with Jeter.

As some would say. Haters gonna hate.



Oh lord you didn't just compare Jeter to The Oz defensively.

Over their careers as compared to average:
Smith: +239 runs, 5.22 Range
Jeter:  -150 runs  4.08 Range

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« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2013, 11:21:17 pm »

LOL, Jeter has been rated the WORST defensive shortstop in the AL forever.  Go look at the numbers.  His range is terrible. 

Jeter gets so much more respect because of where he plays in the ole USA.  His most comparable player that I've found is the very good, but fringe Hall of Famer Craig Biggio.  Jeter will be first ballot, Biggio might never get in. 

If you swapped the two and put Biggio in NY, he'd have been first ballot.  It's a joke really.
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« Reply #97 on: April 12, 2013, 02:16:41 am »

LOL, Jeter has been rated the WORST defensive shortstop in the AL forever.  Go look at the numbers.  His range is terrible. 

Jeter gets so much more respect because of where he plays in the ole USA.  His most comparable player that I've found is the very good, but fringe Hall of Famer Craig Biggio.  Jeter will be first ballot, Biggio might never get in. 

If you swapped the two and put Biggio in NY, he'd have been first ballot.  It's a joke really.

Yes I would l would love to see those numbers.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2013, 06:19:27 am »

Yes I would l would love to see those numbers.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2012-specialpos_ss-fielding.shtml

Second to last in the AL last season... take a look back to prior seasons too.  2009 seems to be a flash in the pan for him, where every other season he's in the botton 5 of the AL. 

He's been in the positive twice in the past ten years in total fielding runs above average.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2013, 07:54:06 am »

Only seeing top 5 listed.  Did you pull one stat out of that mess?  Pretty certain the MLB fielding stats I saw never showed him near bottom 5
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