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Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers! updated!!!
« on: December 17, 2012, 10:55:01 am »

Last week we lost Josh Hamilton and Mr. Ranger Young.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2013, 12:27:57 pm by DeltaBoy »
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2012, 11:05:49 am »

Is the right solution overpaying for them?   No.

Teams are cyclical, and rather than drop a ton of resources right now, to win now, Daniels seems to be willing to sacrifice 2012 and possibly 2013 for the future.      It might not be the right path, but he's under no obligation to push  'win now',  over the potential long term health of his franchise.

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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2012, 01:27:04 pm »

I think you're letting your fandom cloud your judgement. 

Although Young has meant a lot to the Rangers in the past, he is pretty much worthless as a ballplayer right now.  His production can be replaced by someone 8 years younger for 1/20 the price.

Hamilton is a massive risk.  Probably the riskiest hitter sign ever.  And I mean that literally.  Much more than Pujols IMO.  With high risk comes the potential for high reward, and catastrophe.  The Rangers weren't willing to risk it and I can't blame them one bit.

As a fan I know these losses hurt.  But trust me, the Rangers are fine.  Hang up the #10 and #32 jersey and buy a Profar and Olt one.  As Erie said, it's cyclical.  The Rangers may be "down" for a season or 2 but he is certainly not wrecking the Rangers.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2012, 02:39:06 pm »

Well we have to see Jon's excuse seems to be the Last Season Dive but I blame the lack of pitching deplt vs Steve or Josh.  I am a Cardinals fan but living in TX and being married to a woman who been a Rangers fan all her life I follow what they do etc.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2012, 03:40:59 pm »

Young hit what 3 home runs this year?  Definitely past his prime and I agree with bs that Hamilton is a huge risk. It could pay off for la but could also blow up in their face.

My hope is that jon and Nolan continue to see the need for pitching due to the fact that the hitting has disappeared the last 3 postseasons.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2012, 12:21:27 pm »

Josh donated 2 million to Charity from his New Contract with the ANGELS a TEAM ALL RANGERS HATE!  If this play blows up in his Face Jon Daniels could be on the HOT SEAT!
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2012, 04:13:29 pm »

Josh donated 2 million to Charity from his New Contract with the ANGELS a TEAM ALL RANGERS HATE!  If this play blows up in his Face Jon Daniels could be on the HOT SEAT!

I don't think so.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 01:45:36 pm »

http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/red-fever/Rangers-Check-In-at-No-8-in-Power-Rankings-184133241.html

Rangers only #8 in the top ten rankings.  Boo Hiss. and worse the Cards are behind them!
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 03:02:43 pm »

#8 isn't bad.  The Giants weren't one of the 8 best teams in the MLB this year or 2010.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 07:34:05 pm »

I'm a ranger fan and I trust Daniels and Nolan to do the best thing for the franchise.  We may have a down year or two, but we'll be fine.  How many teams wish their lineup included Kinsler, Andrus, Beltre, Cruz, Murphy, Moreland N
and AJ?  And who knows what kind of career Profar will have in TX?  We probably win the west if it weren't for 2 starters going down for the season.  This team should win 85 next year,and that should be enough to be in the thick of it come September. 

Only thing I'm unhappy about is that we haven't significantly helped out the starting pitching, cause Lewis will be out till June and Feliz won't be back till July AT LEAST.  Darvish, Harrison, Holland, Ogando, and who knows.  Sure woulda been nice to get grienke, but he is also overrated for the contract he got I think. Hopefully Darvish can keep his walks in check, if so he can dominate. 

Catchers n pitchers report in like 50 days or something, I can't wait!
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 07:39:58 am »

Last week we lost Josh Hamilton and Mr. Ranger Young.

If it makes you feel better you can have Napoli back as far as I am concerned. Beginning to wonder if his deal with the Red Sox goes through. Seems there is a real issue with his hip being healthy enough to play this year.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2012, 08:55:02 am »

Well had dinner with friends and lifelong Ranger fans who share my same concerns about Jon BOY Daniels!  So I feel better since my concerns have been confirmed!
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2012, 02:44:44 pm »

Well had dinner with friends and lifelong Ranger fans who share my same concerns about Jon BOY Daniels!  So I feel better since my concerns have been confirmed!

Look outside your own fan base for an unbais opinion.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2012, 11:57:30 pm »

Look outside your own fan base for an unbais opinion.

This.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 12:55:10 pm »

Well another late season free Fall and I will be knotting up some rope for Daniels.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 12:58:15 pm »

Well another late season free Fall and I will be knotting up some rope for Daniels.

Yeah, he's doing such a terrible job cramming in other hardware alongside all those other championship the Rangers have in that trophy case,  the guy clearly has to go;  blighting the name of the Ranger brand the past half decade, clearly.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 01:41:23 pm »

Jon has not got us a WS Championshp yet.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 01:53:26 pm »

Jon has not got us a WS Championshp yet.

Remind us again of all the people who have?    Or who have ever put the Rangers in the World Series, beside Jon?

We'll be waiting.
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 02:37:12 pm »

Jon has not got us a WS Championshp yet.

In the 40+ years before Jon Daniels the Rangers had ONE postseason win.  Not championship.  Not series win.  Just one win.  Over 40 years and they won one measly game.

In the 7 years he's been there they have won 18 postseason games, including 4 series and 2 WS appearances.

It's unbelievable that you could dislike someone that took a horrible, irrelevant, worthless franchise to the forefront of the major leagues in less than a decade.  The guy is a miracle worker.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2013, 03:19:55 pm »

The guy is a miracle worker.  May be to a point. But the game 6 loss to the Cards put him in my wifes dog house.

He got to get some pitching depth and find some more base hitting.
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2013, 05:43:40 pm »

But the game 6 loss to the Cards put him in my wifes dog house.

He got to get some pitching depth and find some more base hitting.

Blaming a GM for losing any particular game is foolish.  If the team he assembled was good enough to get them that far it was good enough to win that game.  Either the managing was poor or the players didn't come through.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2013, 03:28:45 pm »

Yep and I am off Jon's case for now he finally got some pitchers in and we will see what the season holds.   
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2013, 04:26:18 pm »

Who'd he bring in?
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2013, 12:04:21 am »

Soria.  Lindblom.  He hasn't brought in any new SPs.  So far its looking like Harrison, Darvish, Holland, Ogando, and who knows who else.  Lewis and Feliz will be back eventually, but I think Feliz will be in the pen.  The fifth starting spot is up for grabs at the moment.  Grimm, Ross, Perez, and maybe Font will be looking to pick the 5th spot, at least before Lewis returns.  If Pierzynski has the same year as last year it will be great, but I doubt it.  I'm not sure how much Berkman will contribute.
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2013, 01:07:04 pm »

I just hope Berkman got a solid 3 years left in the TANK!
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2013, 12:40:46 pm »

I just hope Berkman got a solid 3 years left in the TANK!

No way.  Maybe 3 years but not solid.  Who's gonna play CF for the Rangers?  That's what I want to know.
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2013, 09:28:06 am »

No way.  Maybe 3 years but not solid.  Who's gonna play CF for the Rangers?  That's what I want to know.

Don't have any idea.
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2013, 02:09:09 pm »

No way.  Maybe 3 years but not solid.  Who's gonna play CF for the Rangers?  That's what I want to know.
Don't know if anything will come of it, but I have heard that they are thinking about moving Kinsler to the OF with Andrus and Profar in the MIF.

Plus, there is always Craig Gentry.
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2013, 03:50:40 pm »

Don't know if anything will come of it, but I have heard that they are thinking about moving Kinsler to the OF with Andrus and Profar in the MIF.

That was the plan as of last year.
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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2013, 05:46:53 pm »

It's no longer the plan.  It looks like Profar will start out in TripleA.  Infield will stay the same but with Mitch Moreland at 1st. Kinsler won't be switching position.  I'm excited to see what he can do with a full season.  Gentry and Leonys Martin will be fighting it out for CF and may even platoon this year. 
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Re: Jon Daniels is wrecking the Rangers!
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2013, 10:20:58 am »

Been reading the staff got concerns about replacing the hitting production they have lost with Hambone, Young and their former Catcher.
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2013, 10:17:38 pm »

The Rangers are developing a strong pitching rotation and seem willing to rely on their farm system over the next two or three years.  Losing Josh was big but the team will survive it.  It may actually turn out to be the best thing in the end.  Young was done last year.  A great leader and Ranger but his career is done.
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2013, 10:25:38 pm »

If young is done, what do you consider berkman?
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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2013, 10:28:46 am »

Being a huge rangers fan, I obviously have some concerns for the upcoming season. But there's no way you give Hamilton that money. I was the biggest hambone supporter in the world, but he's not even worth that. When he's on, he'a as good as it gets. But when he is off, NOTHING is uglier. If you get two strikes on Hamilton(and definitely a full count) throw him a curve ball in the dirt, and he's walking back to the dug out. He can hammer fastballs, and hanging curves. But he's said himself, he struggles with discipline at the plate.

As far as CF goes, Leonys Martin has to step up and be the guy. He doesn't have to replace Hamilton, but he has to play solid defense and get on base.

My biggest concern(as it is every year) is starting pitching. Who will round out the rotation? I'll give you guys a name to remember if you don't already know him. Cody Buckel. He's a young kid who played most of the year in AA. I have actually played a lot of golf with this guy. He's a good kid and has a world of talent. The report has been that if the season started today, he would be in the rotation. But, the season doesn't start today so who knows who it will be in the 5th spot?

Ultimately, I trust Nolan and JD to make smart decisions for us. And we will win the west this year. Mark it down.
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2013, 11:27:04 am »

I am taking a Wait and See with Jon and Nolan , last seasons fall out was disturbing.
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2013, 01:16:06 pm »

B I'll give you guys a name to remember if you don't already know him. Cody Buckel. He's a young kid who played most of the year in AA. I have actually played a lot of golf with this guy. He's a good kid and has a world of talent. The report has been that if the season started today, he would be in the rotation. But, the season doesn't start today so who knows who it will be in the 5th spot?

I'd be SHOCKED if he was in the rotation out of spring training.  He was good, but nothing special for Frisco last year.  I'd think 2014 would be a good target year for him to make the big club.
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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2013, 01:32:23 pm »

That is what free agency does.
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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2013, 03:15:39 pm »

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/8975039/nolan-ryan-says-texas-rangers-contend-loss-josh-hamilton

Nolan is guarded about this season. He even admits losing Hambone hurt.
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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2013, 03:22:59 pm »

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/8975039/nolan-ryan-says-texas-rangers-contend-loss-josh-hamilton

Nolan is guarded about this season. He even admits losing Hambone hurt.

I think most everyone would be fairly surprised if the Rangers contended this year.  Including the Rangers FO.
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« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2013, 12:06:09 am »

I think most everyone would be fairly surprised if the Rangers contended this year.  Including the Rangers FO.

Yeah I am not optimistic.  Nolan and JD say we aren't starting a rebuilding cycle and that it's still a "win now" approach.  But I this year will change that.  I hope I'm wrong but I don't have high hopes.  We had a few really good years.
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« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2013, 11:02:30 am »

#8 isn't bad.  The Giants weren't one of the 8 best teams in the MLB this year or 2010.
lol, the butthurt runs deep with this kid

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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2013, 03:00:18 pm »

lol, the butthurt runs deep with this kid

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The word you're looking for is objective.  I don't dislike the Giants at all.
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« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2013, 02:43:40 pm »

the wife just purchased a 10 game Ranger package for anniversary.  including opening weekend v halos and last game of year v halos
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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2013, 12:21:46 pm »

the wife just purchased a 10 game Ranger package for anniversary.  including opening weekend v halos and last game of year v halos

Have fun the rumor mill says Nolan is leaving.
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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2013, 01:13:57 pm »

The word you're looking for is objective.  I don't dislike the Giants at all.

Ridiculous. If you want to claim objectivity, throw out something to back it up, otherwise you do just look butthurt. I mean, at least list who the eight best teams were those years since, in your opinion, the World Series winner wasn't one of those teams.

The fact is that both years ('10 and '12) the Giants won the NL West with 90+ wins and then dominated in the WS. To claim they weren't one of the top eight teams those years reeks of sour grapes.
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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2013, 04:07:23 pm »

Wish Nolan would stay. Oh we'll...

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« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2013, 12:26:45 pm »

When news first broke, I was so mad at the rangers FO for potentially running off Nolan. But after doing some research, I think it's time he goes. He has a huge ego and wants all of the power. A lot of people say Nolan is the main reason we didn't get Prince, Cliff Lee, Greinke, and others. If he leaves, I won't be upset.
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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2013, 05:29:51 pm »

It's rare to find a superstar that makes a great owner or GM.  Too much ego.
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« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2013, 04:57:10 pm »

Rangers Top 10 prospects according to Baseball Prospectus:

1.  Jurickson Profar (all star player)
2.  Mike Olt (above average player)
3.  Martin Perez (no. 3 starter)
4.  Jorge Alfaro (all star player)
5.  Luis Sardinas (above average player)
6.  Lewis Brinson (all star player)
7.  Justin Grimm (no. 3 starter)
8.  Nomar Mazara (above average player)
9.  Ronald Guzman (above average player)
10.  Joey Gallo (borderline all star player)

Top 10 prospects under 25:

1.  Elvis Andrus
2.  Jurickson Profar
3.  Mike Olt
4.  Neftali Feliz
5.  Martin Perez
6.  Leonys Martin
7.  Jorge Alfaro
8.  Luis Sardinas
9.  Lewis Brinson
10.  Justin Grimm

Very high risk, high reward farm.
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