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Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« on: November 21, 2012, 12:37:04 pm »

Biggest negatives last year were youth, lack of depth and rebounding.

Our kids have a year of SEC experience, we added a quality class for depth, and Clark and Powell are looking good.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2012, 12:38:46 pm by BeoPig™ »
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2012, 01:01:06 pm »

I dont think you will get much argument with this thread. Opposed to the the other thread where I dont understand why people are in denial about this not being a good team.

Yes we have only played 3 games versus outmatched teams but if you have actually watched the team play you can see it.  You can see the potential there.

I for one am very excited about the new faces, this team, and the season.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2012, 03:09:58 pm »

Biggest negatives last year were youth, lack of depth and rebounding.

Our kids have a year of SEC experience, we added a quality class for depth, and Clark and Powell are looking good.
BECAUSE WE ONLY WON BY 30 LAST NIGHT
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 06:00:55 pm »

BECAUSE WE ONLY WON BY 30 LAST NIGHT
I KNOW, RIGHT...

I admit, we will still get bumps and bruises along the way but I like the look of this team.  I only wish that our current signings were already on campus.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 06:13:45 pm »

Starting Lineup:
PG- Madden
G- Young
G- Wade
F- Powell
C- Mickelson

Bench:
G- Scott
F- Clarke
G- Bell
F- Qualls
F- Williams
G- Wagner
G- Kiko

Looks like 20 wins to me.....
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 06:19:17 pm »

I KNOW, RIGHT...

I admit, we will still get bumps and bruises along the way but I like the look of this team.  I only wish that our current signings were already on campus.
I really, really like the makeup of this team. The returners are clearly all improved, Marshawn is healthy, Bell/Williams/Qualls will give us minutes, and I think Coty Clarke is a high energy player.

I want to see the Hogs compete hard these next 5 games. I bet they'll get better through the season as the team figures out who plays what roles they're in.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2012, 07:52:20 pm »

I think we win 20 no matter what and may have 20 before sec play. The only drawback I see is playing Vandy, UF and Mizzou twice instead of only getting them once instead of getting weaker west teams twice since the conference rid itself of divisions. We also play mizzou at mizzou on senior night. No way that was a coincidence.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 07:55:04 pm »

I think we win 20 no matter what and may have 20 before sec play. The only drawback I see is playing Vandy, UF and Mizzou twice instead of only getting them once instead of getting weaker west teams twice since the conference rid itself of divisions. We also play mizzou at mizzou on senior night. No way that was a coincidence.

We only have significantly less than 20 non-cons, so it's pretty easily predictable that we will not get to 20 by then.

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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 08:19:57 pm »

We only have significantly less than 20 non-cons, so it's pretty easily predictable that we will not get to 20 by then.
I forgot to put in Tourny...SEC tourny play. My bad. I think we may get to 20 before the sec tournament.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 08:20:36 pm »

I think we win 20 no matter what and may have 20 before sec play. The only drawback I see is playing Vandy, UF and Mizzou twice instead of only getting them once instead of getting weaker west teams twice since the conference rid itself of divisions. We also play mizzou at mizzou on senior night. No way that was a coincidence.
I think we want Vandy twice this year.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2012, 08:24:11 pm »

I think we want Vandy twice this year.
Maybe...we seem to do well in Nashville...
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2012, 08:42:41 pm »

Take notice what a really good coach does to get his team ready and makes the most of the talent he has by being in better condition than the competition. This is a stark contrast to the football approach. No smiling, just running up Cleveland hill and shooting 500 free throws a week. I could go on and on. If they had pads they would be wearing them every practice.

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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2012, 08:55:49 pm »

Maybe...we seem to do well in Nashville...
That and the fact that Vandy lost all Their studs from last year.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2012, 04:37:51 am »

We also play mizzou at mizzou on senior night. No way that was a coincidence.

Probably not, but Arkansas wasn't winning in Columbia anyway, so I'm not sure why that matters.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2012, 10:48:58 am »

Probably not, but Arkansas wasn't winning in Columbia anyway, so I'm not sure why that matters.

Of course, Arkansas NEVER wins in Columbia right? Just so darn tough I tell ya what
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2012, 10:51:38 am »

I don't know if they'll win 20 but I'd guess they will.  But that detail aside, this year Mike's team will grow together more than last year and any year to come.  This year, they start to get it and start to learn and trust where their teammates will be on defense.

This will be a good year for the fan that enjoys seeing improvement.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2012, 11:07:53 am »

Take notice what a really good coach does to get his team ready and makes the most of the talent he has by being in better condition than the competition. This is a stark contrast to the football approach. No smiling, just running up Cleveland hill and shooting 500 free throws a week. I could go on and on. If they had pads they would be wearing them every practice.

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Mike Anderson


I don't understand the "no talent" view some people have. We could use a couple more pieces (defensive big, true PG) but the guys we do have can play ball.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2012, 01:51:57 pm »

The best gauge for the win totals of college hoop teams will be in March. Until then, just sit back and enjoy the show!
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2012, 11:49:46 pm »

Lol. You stand behind your post Beo?  We may be lucky to win 14-15
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2012, 11:52:26 pm »

Lol. You stand behind your post Beo?  We may be lucky to win 14-15
I will bet you we win 20 minimum. Deal?
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2012, 11:55:09 pm »

Mike Anderson could take the roster at Marmaduke High School and win 20 this year....won't be a problem with the talent on this team....Elite 8 if we stay healthy.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2012, 12:35:29 am »

Don't the hogs have a winning record in BB at mizzou......I think that's why they stopped playing the hogs for a few years.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2012, 12:51:44 am »

I will repeat what I have said before all of this: "We have added more bodies, but not any difference makers".  Also it shows there's more to playing good defense than having athletes.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2012, 10:22:19 am »

Before the AZ State game I figured 17 wins at best.  I don't see a reason to move that number up.  I don't expect a winning record in the SEC.

Going to be a longer rebuilding project than I thought.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2012, 11:48:20 am »

I have faith in Mike Anderson.  That being said, we may have some more suffering to do this year before we get back to the promised land of winning basketball.  It's just too early in the year to give up hope for me.  Lots of learning to be done yet.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2012, 04:32:25 pm »

Mike Anderson could take the roster at Marmaduke High School and win 20 this year....won't be a problem with the talent on this team....Elite 8 if we stay healthy.
What?? No way .. NIT elite 8 maybe
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2012, 09:01:28 pm »

Biggest negatives last year were youth, lack of depth and rebounding.

Our kids have a year of SEC experience, we added a quality class for depth, and Clark and Powell are looking good.




We won't when 20 games book it!!
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2012, 09:06:19 pm »

Looks like a 15 win team to me.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2012, 09:09:57 pm »

Lmao at this thread title, hilarious
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2012, 09:10:43 pm »

Mike Anderson could take the roster at Marmaduke High School and win 20 this year....won't be a problem with the talent on this team....Elite 8 if we stay healthy.

Sigh.  Take off the rose colored glasses.  I hope we make the NIT.  Not looking good.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2012, 09:12:57 pm »

Biggest negatives last year were youth, lack of depth and rebounding.

Our kids have a year of SEC experience, we added a quality class for depth, and Clark and Powell are looking good.

If you've watched the last two games, then you have your proof
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2012, 09:13:08 pm »

You never know.. They could just click and start rolling.. I'm not too confident that will happen.. Especially after this weekend.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2012, 09:21:40 pm »

Arizona State & Wisconsin... Against ASU the Hogs played No Haves of Basketball, and only One Half against WI.. Maybe they can put 2 halves together.. who knows... I would be easier convinced about Less than 20 wins, than more than 20!
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2012, 10:08:57 pm »

Mike Anderson could take the roster at Marmaduke High School and win 20 this year....won't be a problem with the talent on this team....Elite 8 if we stay healthy.

Sounds like the same thing many said about the football team back in April.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2012, 10:15:24 pm »

I am very disappointed in their play tonight. We had a 40-29 lead at half, and we just quit playing early in the 2ND half. We only scored 5 points during one stretch of the game. Mike Anderson should jump on them in practice this week. This is not good  Mike said he like some things done, but also not the losses. He had better have them ready for Syracuse.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2012, 12:10:37 am »

Tonight's game summary: 1st half - Hell -- 2nd half - Fail.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2012, 01:10:52 am »

Mike Anderson could take the roster at Marmaduke High School and win 20 this year....won't be a problem with the talent on this team....Elite 8 if we stay healthy.

smdh... wisconsin prob wont make the tourney this year. yeah..
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2012, 01:11:54 am »

Looks like a 15 win team to me.

Yet when I tried to say this in preseason I was called a hater.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2012, 04:14:37 am »

Nolan always had a couple of people that could shoot,  I am still waiting to see even one that can step up and bury a big shot.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2012, 07:03:09 am »

Wow this team is pretty disappointing.  Young is a scoring talent but pretty difficult for other guys to score other than in transition.  Madden on the floor automatically puts us at a disadvantage, we are 4 on 5 when we have the ball, nobody has to respect him as a scorer. 
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2012, 07:50:05 am »

We will win against the teams on our schedule that we can out score during gametime.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2012, 08:14:15 am »

Sigh.  Take off the rose colored glasses.  I hope we make the NIT.  Not looking good.

Well you cannot make the NIT with a losing record.  We will lose the next 3 games to be 3-5.  Assuming we win the next 5 non-conference games (which is not a given), then we would be 8-5 entering conference play.  So to have a record over .500, we would have to be 8-10 in conference play.  Even if that happens, the NIT is not taking a 16-15 team which finished below .500 in conference.  Sorry, but it is not happening this year.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2012, 09:40:09 am »

Well you cannot make the NIT with a losing record.  We will lose the next 3 games to be 3-5.  Assuming we win the next 5 non-conference games (which is not a given), then we would be 8-5 entering conference play.  So to have a record over .500, we would have to be 8-10 in conference play.  Even if that happens, the NIT is not taking a 16-15 team which finished below .500 in conference.  Sorry, but it is not happening this year.
So because we lost our first two games away from BWA, you think we will finish below .500 in conference play and lose our next 3 games? We will beat OU at BWA, you can bet on that. We will also win more than 8 conference games. I swear, a few bad games and the entire MMQB comes down to post their pessimistic, doom and gloom predictions.

Do me a favor and go watch teams in our conference outside of Arkansas. We didn't perform well in Vegas, but Vandy, Auburn, South Carolina, MSU, and even Georgia have looked terrible this season. UGA looked good vs IU and UCLA, but looked awful in their other 3 games. Vandy, MSU, and Auburn look like the 3 worst teams in the league, and we play those teams a combined 5 games. We will finish no worse than 9-4 in the non-conference schedule, and will win at least 10 in SEC play.
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2012, 10:39:37 am »

I refuse to make any predictions until I see teams play.  After seeing FAMU, ASU, and Wisconsin, here goes:

SEC Pomeroy Rankings, and yes, it's early:   http://kenpom.com/

Florida 2
Kentucky 9
Alabama 28
Ole Miss 29
Missouri 39
Tennessee 65
Georgia 95
ARKANSAS 97
Texas A&M 110
LSU 116
Vanderbilt 140
South Carolina 159
Auburn 180
Mississippi State 233

Significant non-conference foes:
•Arizona State 157, •Wisconsin 11, •Syracuse 8, •Oklahoma 82, •Michigan 5

Insignificant non-conference foes:
Sam Houston 284
Longwood 345
FAMU 335
Alcorn 337
Robert Morris 120
Alabama A&M 342
NW State 231
Delaware State 266

This prediction stuff is dangerous territory, but I'll play along.  This Razorback team is going to drive people nuts, and all you have to look at is the tale of two halves in the Wisconsin game.  It won't shock me if they are inconsistent to the point of beating Kentucky and losing at South Carolina, or something of that nature.  At any rate, out on the limb I go:

Overall 20-11
SEC 11-7
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2012, 11:01:45 am »

I refuse to make any predictions until I see teams play.  After seeing FAMU, ASU, and Wisconsin, here goes:

SEC Pomeroy Rankings, and yes, it's early:   http://kenpom.com/

Florida 2
Kentucky 9
Alabama 28
Ole Miss 29
Missouri 39
Tennessee 65
Georgia 95
ARKANSAS 97
Texas A&M 110
LSU 116
Vanderbilt 140
South Carolina 159
Auburn 180
Mississippi State 233

Significant non-conference foes:
•Arizona State 157, •Wisconsin 11, •Syracuse 8, •Oklahoma 82, •Michigan 5

Insignificant non-conference foes:
Sam Houston 284
Longwood 345
FAMU 335
Alcorn 337
Robert Morris 120
Alabama A&M 342
NW State 231
Delaware State 266

This prediction stuff is dangerous territory, but I'll play along.  This Razorback team is going to drive people nuts, and all you have to look at is the tale of two halves in the Wisconsin game.  It won't shock me if they are inconsistent to the point of beating Kentucky and losing at South Carolina, or something of that nature.  At any rate, out on the limb I go:

Overall 20-11
SEC 11-7


Pretty good assessment. With your over-all finish prediction you have to be allowing for team improvement. I don't know where we will finish but I do look for us to become a more consistent team as the season progresses.

One thing I'm looking at is that when Gulley is eligible to play, he should help quite a bit. Not that he's a spectacular player, but he has some experience and should be solid.

The young guys should be more consistent as they naturally get more experience and playing time under their belt. 
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Re: Somebody convince me this will not be a 20 win team
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2012, 12:45:22 pm »

Pretty good assessment. With your over-all finish prediction you have to be allowing for team improvement. I don't know where we will finish but I do look for us to become a more consistent team as the season progresses.

One thing I'm looking at is that when Gulley is eligible to play, he should help quite a bit. Not that he's a spectacular player, but he has some experience and should be solid.

The young guys should be more consistent as they naturally get more experience and playing time under their belt.

Yeah, the overall totals are a generous ceiling for me if everything goes right.  There are also some really bad teams in the SEC which make home games a given, and road games a distinct possibility. 

This team is a mess right now, but it's early, and they aren't the only team/program seeking answers.  I can see the next few games taking a toll, but with the schedule as it is, the team will be riding high entering conference play.

Right now, I see far more questions than answers.  What we have here, is a team with one offensive player who takes the majority of shots and essentially plays on one end of the court.  There is a complete absence of a low-post game.  Too much dribbling, too much driving, too much early offense, and way too many bad shots.  Lack of rebounding, and the biggest flaw of all at this point is way too much fouling.  Just stupid fouling, often times 80 feet from the basket which is just ridiculous.  What does all that mean?  It means you are finding ways to beat  yourself.

But yeah, I am banking on some improvement, both from players and coaching staff.  The good thing about playing good, solid, well coached teams: it provides the necessary impetus for improvement.

There is talent here, but right now it does not compliment itself.  There is athleticism here, although right now it is random rather than purposeful.  Just my opinion, but I do see a team that has some positive ingredients that is going to take a few more lumps before the conference begins.  The key will be applying their experience to the conference race.  If the Hogs can enter the SECT with a 20-11 record, or thereabouts, they can play themselves into the NCAA Tournament.  I won't be shocked if they don't, because I feel the dynamics are just that iffy.  But there is a chance.

Bubble-team.

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