For those of you that are high on Tuberville, here's why I say he should NOT be our next coach.

[Doug]

Okay, so I had someone ask me why I'm so opposed to Tommy Tuberville coaching at Arkansas. I will give Tuberville the fact that he had a winning career at Auburn, but when we get to the guts of the matter, this is the SEC, and a 62% winning conference record is just not going to cut it in this day and age.

For Comparitives, I've included Nutt's tenure in the SEC, since both Nutt and Tuberville were SEC coaches for 13 years (4 at one school, 9 at the other).

When I broke down the numbers (see below), I was actually surprised at Tuberville's record. Thought it wuold have been better than this.

1995 - 1998
First Game: 1995-09-02, at Auburn * (L, 13 - 46)
Overall Record: 25-20-0 (45 Games)
Record at home: 14-8-0 (22 Games)
Record at Neutral Locations: 1-2-0 (3 Games)
Highest Scoring Game: at SMU, on 1998-09-26. Total points: 89
Biggest Victory Margin: Indiana State, on 1995-09-09. Final Score: 56 - 10 (46 Points)
Biggest Defeat Margin: vs. Tennessee, on 1996-10-03. Final Score: 41 - 3 (38 Points)
Record in Shutout games: 0-4-0 (4 Games)
Record in Bowl games: 1-0-0 (1 Game)
Record in Overtime games: 3-1 (4 Games)

Alabama    4 Games   0-4-0   
Arkansas    4 Games   1-3-0   
Auburn   4 Games   0-4-0   
Florida    1 Games   0-1-0
Georgia    4 Games   2-2-0
Kentucky     0 Games   0-0-0
LSU     4 Games   2-2-0
Mississippi State    4 Games   2-2-0
South Carolina     1 Games   1-0-0
Tennessee     2 Games   0-2-0
Vanderbilt     4 Games   4-0-0
vs SEC   32 Games   12-20-0 (37.5% winning percentage)

He couldn't hack it, so he jumped over to Auburn. Let's look at those stats (he fared slightly better, of course).

1999 - 2008
First Game: 1999-09-04, Appalachian State (W, 22 - 15)
Overall Record: 86-42-0 (128 Games)
Record at home: 54-17-0 (71 Games)
Highest Scoring Game: LA-Tech, on 2001-10-20. Total points: 89
Biggest Victory Margin: ULM, on 2003-11-01. Final Score: 73 - 7 (66 Points)
Biggest Defeat Margin: at Alabama, on 2008-11-29. Final Score: 36 - 0 (36 Points)
Record in Shutout games: 9-3-0 (12 Games)
Record in Conference Championship games: 1-1-0 (2 Games)
Record in Bowl games: 6-5-0 (11 Games)
Record in Overtime games: 4-4 (8 Games)

Alabama     10 Games   7-3-0
Arkansas     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     7 Games   3-3-0
Georgia     10 Games   5-5-0
Kentucky     2 Games   2-0-0
LSU    10 Games   5-5-0
Mississippi State     10 Games   7-3-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   2-0-0   
Tennessee    5 Games   3-1-0
Vanderbilt     6 Games   5-1-0
vs SEC   82 Games   51-29-0 (62.19% winning percentage)

Let's take Nutt's number's during his tenure here at Arkansas and Ole Miss for comparison (since the length of time is very similar)

Arkansas - 1998-2007
First Game: 1998-09-05, ULL (W, 38 - 17)
Overall Record: 75-51-0 (126 Games)
Record at home: 53-17-0 (70 Games)
Highest Scoring Game: at Kentucky, on 2003-11-01. Total points: 134
Biggest Victory Margin: North Texas, on 2007-09-29. Final Score: 66 - 7 (59 Points)
Biggest Defeat Margin: at USC, on 2005-09-17. Final Score: 70 - 17 (53 Points)
Record in Shutout games: 6-0-0 (6 Games)
Record in Conference Championship games: 0-2-0 (2 Games)
Record in Bowl games: 2-8-0 (10 Games)
Record in Overtime games: 6-1 (7 Games)

Alabama     10 Games   5-5-0
Auburn     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     3 Games   0-3-0
Georgia     5 Games   0-4-0
Kentucky     5 Games   2-3-0
LSU     10 Games   4-6-0   
Mississippi State     10 Games   9-1-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     10 Games   7-3-0
Tennessee     7 Games   2-5-0
Vanderbilt     2 Games   1-1-0
vs SEC   84 Games      42-38-0 (50% winning percentage)

Ole Miss, 2008-2011
First Game: 2008-08-30, Memphis (W, 41 - 24)
Overall Record: 24-26-0 (50 Games)
Record at home: 15-13-0 (28 Games)
Highest Scoring Game: Jacksonville State, on 2010-09-04. Total points: 97
Biggest Victory Margin: ULM, on 2008-11-15. Final Score: 59 - 0 (59 Points)
Biggest Defeat Margin: LSU, on 2011-11-19. Final Score: 52 - 3 (49 Points)
Record in Shutout games: 2-0-0 (2 Games)
Record in Bowl games: 2-0-0 (2 Games)
Record in Overtime games: 0-1 (1 Games)

Alabama     4 Games   0-4-0
Arkansas     4 Games   2-2-0
Auburn     4 Games   1-3-0
Florida     1 Games   1-0-0
Georgia     1 Games   0-1-0
Kentucky     2 Games   1-1-0
LSU     4 Games   2-2-0
Mississippi State     4 Games   1-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   0-2-0
Tennessee     2 Games   1-1-0
Vanderbilt     4 Games   1-3-0
vs SEC   32 Games   10-22-0 (31.25% winning percentage)

[HoGustav]

Lest we forget, he and Sexton also embarrased us by playing the troubles at Arkansas against Auburn in order to get himself a raise.

[hogsanity]

Lest we forget, he and Sexton also embarrased us by playing the troubles at Arkansas against Auburn in order to get himself a raise.

yea, cause no other coach has ever done that.

[Hogwild]

Alabama     10 Games   7-3-0
Arkansas     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     7 Games   3-3-0
Georgia     10 Games   5-5-0
Kentucky     2 Games   2-0-0
LSU    10 Games   5-5-0
Mississippi State     10 Games   7-3-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   2-0-0   
Tennessee    5 Games   3-1-0
Vanderbilt     6 Games   5-1-0


So while the Head Coach at Auburn for 10 years no SEC school had a winning record against him. Their might be reasons not to hire him, but his record in the the SEC isn't one of them.

[rlreev01]

Please tell me that you have other things to do!!!

[jcharkansas]

I don't really want TT but I would rather have him over charlie strong.

[ballhog™]

Alabama     10 Games   7-3-0
Arkansas     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     7 Games   3-3-0
Georgia     10 Games   5-5-0
Kentucky     2 Games   2-0-0
LSU    10 Games   5-5-0
Mississippi State     10 Games   7-3-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   2-0-0   
Tennessee    5 Games   3-1-0
Vanderbilt     6 Games   5-1-0


So while the Head Coach at Auburn for 10 years no SEC school had a winning record against him. Their might be reasons not to hire him, but his record in the the SEC isn't one of them.

Good point

[nwarazfan]

Not one mention in the OP about the NCAA sanctions and penalties from the Billy Brewer era affecting his program at Ole Miss.  This thread is no better than the others who cannot even give a hint of objectivity when discussing a candidate. 

[edt]

He would be a much better choice than most that have been talked about on Hogville.

[Oliver]

I'll add that to the list of reasons why I want nothing to with Tuberville.  Thanks Douglas

[HogWall Jackson]

Douglas the SEC is very different from then. The analogy means little today. I would tell you that Tubs is even a different coach today. I don't think he is the guy for us but he is not as bad as some of the guys mentioned for our job. Tubs was very aloof the last time he flirted with Arkansas for the job. Too many of our fans still remember his smugness.

I wish him all the luck, but not here

[NaturalStateReb]

Tuberville was facing at Ole Miss the worst NCAA sanctions since the SMU death penalty affair.  At one point, the Rebels were down to just 45 scholarship players; two years no TV and no bowls.  That he was able to have a winning percentage there despite those disadvantages says a lot about his coaching ability.

You don't get a job at Auburn by not hacking it at Ole Miss.  Auburn saw Tuberville's ability and tapped him to take over the mess that Terry Bowden left behind after abruptly resigning in midseason in 1998.  During his time at Auburn, he was .680.  That's not too far from Nick Saban's .730 as of last season, and Tuberville was at Auburn 4 more seasons. 

Tuberville went 13-0 in 2004 and got jobbed out of a shot at the national title game.  During his 10 years at Auburn, he won the West 5 times and beat Bama 6 straight times.  He won SEC coach of the year twice and national coach of the year once.  Assistants that have coached for him inlcude Bobby Petrino, Gene Chizik, Paul Rhoads, and Will Muschamp. 

Nutt never went undefeated.  Nutt never went to a BCS bowl.  Nutt never won an SEC championship.  Nutt sure never beat Alabama 6 times in a row.  Nutt burned down two SEC programs.  Tuberville put Ole Miss back on its feet and went undefeated one season at Auburn and left the recruits for another undefeated season on the Plains after he left.  And he's winning again at Taco Tech.

Lest anyone get too concerned about his being old, Tuberville's younger than Saban, and I doubt that anyone would turn Saban down because he's too old.

There are some hurt feelings about Tuberville's not wanting to interview for the Arkansas job back in 1998.  But, Tuberville had a job at another SEC West school; you can't blame him for not doing an on-campus interview in that situation.  Whether Tuberville is the right guy for Arkansas' job is debatable.  But he's a proven winnner with 13 years of SEC experience and an Arkansas native.  I don't know why he shouldn't be in the conversation.

[beantownhog]

Tuberville was facing at Ole Miss the worst NCAA sanctions since the SMU death penalty affair.  At one point, the Rebels were down to just 45 scholarship players; two years no TV and no bowls.  That he was able to have a winning percentage there despite those disadvantages says a lot about his coaching ability.

You don't get a job at Auburn by not hacking it at Ole Miss.  Auburn saw Tuberville's ability and tapped him to take over the mess that Terry Bowden left behind after abruptly resigning in midseason in 1998.  During his time at Auburn, he was .680.  That's not too far from Nick Saban's .730 as of last season, and Tuberville was at Auburn 4 more seasons. 

Tuberville went 13-0 in 2004 and got jobbed out of a shot at the national title game.  During his 10 years at Auburn, he won the West 5 times and beat Bama 6 straight times.  He won SEC coach of the year twice and national coach of the year once.  Assistants that have coached for him inlcude Bobby Petrino, Gene Chizik, Paul Rhoads, and Will Muschamp. 

Nutt never went undefeated.  Nutt never went to a BCS bowl.  Nutt never won an SEC championship.  Nutt sure never beat Alabama 6 times in a row.  Nutt burned down two SEC programs.  Tuberville put Ole Miss back on its feet and went undefeated one season at Auburn and left the recruits for another undefeated season on the Plains after he left.  And he's winning again at Taco Tech.

Lest anyone get too concerned about his being old, Tuberville's younger than Saban, and I doubt that anyone would turn Saban down because he's too old.

There are some hurt feelings about Tuberville's not wanting to interview for the Arkansas job back in 1998.  But, Tuberville had a job at another SEC West school; you can't blame him for not doing an on-campus interview in that situation.  Whether Tuberville is the right guy for Arkansas' job is debatable.  But he's a proven winnner with 13 years of SEC experience and an Arkansas native.  I don't know why he shouldn't be in the conversation.

I have really been on the fence about Tubbs, but I think you just convinced me to get on the TT Bandwagon.  After reading what he did at Ole Miss and witnessing what he is currently doing at Tech, I actually think he is the best reasonable candidate.  While I would love to see Gruden, Carroll, and a few others, they seem to be little more than pipe dreams.

FWIW--I will support any coach hired, but I really miss my arrogance from the past couple of years.  Therefore, I just want a coach who will make college football season the highlight of my year again.  Please hire a coach who will let me be Hog Cocky again!

[jamie72921]

Comparing Nutt to Tubberville is ridiculous.

I guess Petersen and Patterson are the best coaches in NCAA football because of their win pcts.

Stats without proper interpretation are for losers.

[hogsanity]

here is a blind stat current sec coach 8th year at same school sec record 33-29 through last weekend.  Care to guess who it is?  Would you want him as coach?

[Doug]

here is a blind stat current sec coach 8th year at same school sec record 33-29 through last weekend.  Care to guess who it is?  Would you want him as coach?

I don't want Spurrier, either. He's done great things at SoCar, but Petrino gave us a great taste of "what could have been".

We need a coach that can analyze the X and Os while still driving our boys to become better players and people.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Tuberville's accomplishments, but I think we need someone that's a bit more innovative and can get us a better conference win record than 62%.

Les Miles: 67.21%
Nick Saban: 74.19%

For me, those guys set the standard... and if we want to ever have any hope of winning a damn thing at Arkansas, we need a coach that can get close to these percentages, or even between.

FYI, Saban also had to deal with sanctions against Bama and still managed to kick out a damn impressive record despite the sanctions. So that argument, for me personally, doesn't carry much weight.

I just don't think Tuberville is going to be it, for me.

[popcornhog]

Okay, so I had someone ask me why I'm so opposed to Tommy Tuberville coaching at Arkansas. I will give Tuberville the fact that he had a winning career at Auburn, but when we get to the guts of the matter, this is the SEC, and a 62% winning conference record is just not going to cut it in this day and age.

For Comparitives, I've included Nutt's tenure in the SEC, since both Nutt and Tuberville were SEC coaches for 13 years (4 at one school, 9 at the other).

When I broke down the numbers (see below), I was actually surprised at Tuberville's record. Thought it wuold have been better than this.

1995 - 1998
First Game: 1995-09-02, at Auburn * (L, 13 - 46)
Overall Record: 25-20-0 (45 Games)
Record at home: 14-8-0 (22 Games)
Record at Neutral Locations: 1-2-0 (3 Games)
Highest Scoring Game: at SMU, on 1998-09-26. Total points: 89
Biggest Victory Margin: Indiana State, on 1995-09-09. Final Score: 56 - 10 (46 Points)
Biggest Defeat Margin: vs. Tennessee, on 1996-10-03. Final Score: 41 - 3 (38 Points)
Record in Shutout games: 0-4-0 (4 Games)
Record in Bowl games: 1-0-0 (1 Game)
Record in Overtime games: 3-1 (4 Games)

Alabama    4 Games   0-4-0   
Arkansas    4 Games   1-3-0   
Auburn   4 Games   0-4-0   
Florida    1 Games   0-1-0
Georgia    4 Games   2-2-0
Kentucky     0 Games   0-0-0
LSU     4 Games   2-2-0
Mississippi State    4 Games   2-2-0
South Carolina     1 Games   1-0-0
Tennessee     2 Games   0-2-0
Vanderbilt     4 Games   4-0-0
vs SEC   32 Games   12-20-0 (37.5% winning percentage)

He couldn't hack it, so he jumped over to Auburn. Let's look at those stats (he fared slightly better, of course).

1999 - 2008
First Game: 1999-09-04, Appalachian State (W, 22 - 15)
Overall Record: 86-42-0 (128 Games)
Record at home: 54-17-0 (71 Games)
Highest Scoring Game: LA-Tech, on 2001-10-20. Total points: 89
Biggest Victory Margin: ULM, on 2003-11-01. Final Score: 73 - 7 (66 Points)
Biggest Defeat Margin: at Alabama, on 2008-11-29. Final Score: 36 - 0 (36 Points)
Record in Shutout games: 9-3-0 (12 Games)
Record in Conference Championship games: 1-1-0 (2 Games)
Record in Bowl games: 6-5-0 (11 Games)
Record in Overtime games: 4-4 (8 Games)

Alabama     10 Games   7-3-0
Arkansas     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     7 Games   3-3-0
Georgia     10 Games   5-5-0
Kentucky     2 Games   2-0-0
LSU    10 Games   5-5-0
Mississippi State     10 Games   7-3-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   2-0-0   
Tennessee    5 Games   3-1-0
Vanderbilt     6 Games   5-1-0
vs SEC   82 Games   51-29-0 (62.19% winning percentage)

Let's take Nutt's number's during his tenure here at Arkansas and Ole Miss for comparison (since the length of time is very similar)

Arkansas - 1998-2007
First Game: 1998-09-05, ULL (W, 38 - 17)
Overall Record: 75-51-0 (126 Games)
Record at home: 53-17-0 (70 Games)
Highest Scoring Game: at Kentucky, on 2003-11-01. Total points: 134
Biggest Victory Margin: North Texas, on 2007-09-29. Final Score: 66 - 7 (59 Points)
Biggest Defeat Margin: at USC, on 2005-09-17. Final Score: 70 - 17 (53 Points)
Record in Shutout games: 6-0-0 (6 Games)
Record in Conference Championship games: 0-2-0 (2 Games)
Record in Bowl games: 2-8-0 (10 Games)
Record in Overtime games: 6-1 (7 Games)

Alabama     10 Games   5-5-0
Auburn     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     3 Games   0-3-0
Georgia     5 Games   0-4-0
Kentucky     5 Games   2-3-0
LSU     10 Games   4-6-0   
Mississippi State     10 Games   9-1-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     10 Games   7-3-0
Tennessee     7 Games   2-5-0
Vanderbilt     2 Games   1-1-0
vs SEC   84 Games      42-38-0 (50% winning percentage)

Ole Miss, 2008-2011
First Game: 2008-08-30, Memphis (W, 41 - 24)
Overall Record: 24-26-0 (50 Games)
Record at home: 15-13-0 (28 Games)
Highest Scoring Game: Jacksonville State, on 2010-09-04. Total points: 97
Biggest Victory Margin: ULM, on 2008-11-15. Final Score: 59 - 0 (59 Points)
Biggest Defeat Margin: LSU, on 2011-11-19. Final Score: 52 - 3 (49 Points)
Record in Shutout games: 2-0-0 (2 Games)
Record in Bowl games: 2-0-0 (2 Games)
Record in Overtime games: 0-1 (1 Games)

Alabama     4 Games   0-4-0
Arkansas     4 Games   2-2-0
Auburn     4 Games   1-3-0
Florida     1 Games   1-0-0
Georgia     1 Games   0-1-0
Kentucky     2 Games   1-1-0
LSU     4 Games   2-2-0
Mississippi State     4 Games   1-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   0-2-0
Tennessee     2 Games   1-1-0
Vanderbilt     4 Games   1-3-0
vs SEC   32 Games   10-22-0 (31.25% winning percentage)

I'll preface this by saying that I'm not pro-Tubberville. I'm just not anti-Tubberville either. He's in the category of "ok hire" in my book.

But for you to say that he couldn't hack it at Ole Miss is either disingenuous or you don't know what the Rebel program was going through when he got there. What he did in Oxford was actually considered a very good job in reality.

Also, TT had a losing record to nobody while at Auburn. That's impressive in any conference.

Some of your points are well taken, but you just seem to be coming at it from a very biased perspective.

[popcornhog]

I don't want Spurrier, either. He's done great things at SoCar, but Petrino gave us a great taste of "what could have been".

We need a coach that can analyze the X and Os while still driving our boys to become better players and people.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Tuberville's accomplishments, but I think we need someone that's a bit more innovative and can get us a better conference win record than 62%.

Les Miles: 67.21%
Nick Saban: 74.19%

For me, those guys set the standard... and if we want to ever have any hope of winning a damn thing at Arkansas, we need a coach that can get close to these percentages, or even between.

FYI, Saban also had to deal with sanctions against Bama and still managed to kick out a damn impressive record despite the sanctions. So that argument, for me personally, doesn't carry much weight.

I just don't think Tuberville is going to be it, for me.

You do understand the differences in trying to turn Alabama around after sanctions as compared to trying to lead Ole Miss through even more severe sanctions, I presume.

Also -- TT's SEC winning percentage in conference was damn near what Les Miles' is -- so he's pretty close to that standard. I'm not sure anyone is actually three except Saban and Miles.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Tuberville was facing at Ole Miss the worst NCAA sanctions since the SMU death penalty affair.  At one point, the Rebels were down to just 45 scholarship players; two years no TV and no bowls.  That he was able to have a winning percentage there despite those disadvantages says a lot about his coaching ability.

You don't get a job at Auburn by not hacking it at Ole Miss.  Auburn saw Tuberville's ability and tapped him to take over the mess that Terry Bowden left behind after abruptly resigning in midseason in 1998.  During his time at Auburn, he was .680.  That's not too far from Nick Saban's .730 as of last season, and Tuberville was at Auburn 4 more seasons. 

Tuberville went 13-0 in 2004 and got jobbed out of a shot at the national title game.  During his 10 years at Auburn, he won the West 5 times and beat Bama 6 straight times.  He won SEC coach of the year twice and national coach of the year once.  Assistants that have coached for him inlcude Bobby Petrino, Gene Chizik, Paul Rhoads, and Will Muschamp. 

Nutt never went undefeated.  Nutt never went to a BCS bowl.  Nutt never won an SEC championship.  Nutt sure never beat Alabama 6 times in a row.  Nutt burned down two SEC programs.  Tuberville put Ole Miss back on its feet and went undefeated one season at Auburn and left the recruits for another undefeated season on the Plains after he left.  And he's winning again at Taco Tech.

Lest anyone get too concerned about his being old, Tuberville's younger than Saban, and I doubt that anyone would turn Saban down because he's too old.

There are some hurt feelings about Tuberville's not wanting to interview for the Arkansas job back in 1998.  But, Tuberville had a job at another SEC West school; you can't blame him for not doing an on-campus interview in that situation.  Whether Tuberville is the right guy for Arkansas' job is debatable.  But he's a proven winnner with 13 years of SEC experience and an Arkansas native.  I don't know why he shouldn't be in the conversation.

Sorry Doug

[jjdlc]

Richt has a 68.8% conference win record, just saying...

No, I'm not promoting Richt.  Just pointing out an existing SEC coach who has a record similar to Miles and Saban.

I just don't see who exactly is out there and available that has proven they can win in the SEC like Miles and Saban.  Meyer?  Think we can hire him away from OSU?  I don't think there are any sure things,  anyone we hire is going to be a risk.

[Wildhog]

Throw out his first year (Unfair to judge any coach based on year 1) and his last year (forced to hire Tony Franklin) and his record at AU was 75-27, 48-18 in the SEC. 

I know you can't go throwing years out, but for 8 straight years (years HE was running his program), he never finished worse than 7-5.  Also, during that 8 year period, he was rocking an SEC winning percentage of 72.7%. 

That's obviously not the whole story, but Tubby knows how to sustain success. 

[BartIV]

Alabama     10 Games   7-3-0
Arkansas     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     7 Games   3-3-0
Georgia     10 Games   5-5-0
Kentucky     2 Games   2-0-0
LSU    10 Games   5-5-0
Mississippi State     10 Games   7-3-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   2-0-0   
Tennessee    5 Games   3-1-0
Vanderbilt     6 Games   5-1-0


So while the Head Coach at Auburn for 10 years no SEC school had a winning record against him. Their might be reasons not to hire him, but his record in the the SEC isn't one of them.

Now this is the meat of it.

[rickm1976]

Douglas the SEC is very different from then. The analogy means little today. I would tell you that Tubs is even a different coach today. I don't think he is the guy for us but he is not as bad as some of the guys mentioned for our job. Tubs was very aloof the last time he flirted with Arkansas for the job. Too many of our fans still remember his smugness.

I wish him all the luck, but not here

I remember the way he thumbed his nose at us, and don't want him either.

[jjdlc]

TT At Ole Miss
vs SEC   32 Games   12-20-0 (37.5% winning percentage)
TT At Auburn
vs SEC   82 Games   51-29-0 (62.19% winning percentage)

Nutt at AR
vs SEC   84 Games      42-38-0 (50% winning percentage)
Nutt at Ole Miss
vs SEC   32 Games   10-22-0 (31.25% winning percentage)

Just noticed this, some of your math is off.  For TT at Auburn, you have 51-29-0, but you say he played 82 games Vs. SEC.  51+29 = 80 so his win percentage is 63.75%.

For Nutt at AR, you have 42-38-0 and list him at 84 SEC games,  42+38 = 80 so his win percentage should be 52.5%.

Not that it really makes much of a difference, just pointing it out.  While Tubberville is on my short list, he is not on top of it.  I think he could do well here if he brought his current OC with him, but his age is a concern.  I don't think it hampers his coaching ability, I just would like to see us get a coach who does well, and will be here a long time.

[Jamie Jones]

TT is number 2 for me behind Butch Davis. I think he goes to the head of the line if he knocks off Kansas State Saturday.

[Hoggie17]

I don't really want TT but I would rather have him over charlie strong.

That

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

Douglas: that SEC winning percentage at Arkansas over the same period of time would have likely garnered an SEC title and certainly more bowl wins.

I'm not saying Tubbs is the guy, but that winning percentage likely equates to a higher level of success than what Nutt could do.  And keep in mind how close Nutt was to conference titles in '98, '03 and '06. 

[Hoggie17]

Saban's Record at Michigan State was 34-24-1.  I can't imagine what Tubbs would do at Ala. 

[DeltaBoy]

Not one mention in the OP about the NCAA sanctions and penalties from the Billy Brewer era affecting his program at Ole Miss.  This thread is no better than the others who cannot even give a hint of objectivity when discussing a candidate. 

Yep his over coming the mess Billy Brewer left is what got him on Franks Radar the first time.

[hogsanity]

I remember the way he thumbed his nose at us, and don't want him either.

Gee a coach at a school in the same division did not want to interview for the job.  That is NOT thumbing your nose at anyone, that is self preservation. 

[Jamie Jones]

He should have been hired WITHOUT the interview. And would have had Frank gotten his way.

[Wildhog]

He should have been hired WITHOUT the interview. And would have had Frank gotten his way.

Who messed it up?

[NaturalStateReb]

Who messed it up?

Depends on who you ask.  The '98 hire was done with a selection committee at the urging of then-chancellor John White.  The committee eventually went with the candidate most fans were clamoring for--Houston Nutt--over Tuberville. 

So, some will say White and some will say the committee.  Both share responsibility, but I put more of it on the committee.  They were football people and should have known better.  There's not much doubt, as I understand it, that Broyles preferred Tuberville.

[kingofdequeen]

Alabama     10 Games   7-3-0
Arkansas     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     7 Games   3-3-0
Georgia     10 Games   5-5-0
Kentucky     2 Games   2-0-0
LSU    10 Games   5-5-0
Mississippi State     10 Games   7-3-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   2-0-0   
Tennessee    5 Games   3-1-0
Vanderbilt     6 Games   5-1-0


So while the Head Coach at Auburn for 10 years no SEC school had a winning record against him. Their might be reasons not to hire him, but his record in the the SEC isn't one of them.

all other info is window-dressing and bullchit.

quinn grovey is dead to me.

[Hoggish1]

If the conversation has slipped to TT coming here, we are headed down.  The SEC is a far different animal than when he was coaching at OM and AU.

[Wildhog]

If the conversation has slipped to TT coming here, we are headed down.  The SEC is a far different animal than when he was coaching at OM and AU.

He obviously can't coach anymore.  Not in a BCS conference at least.

[kingofdequeen]

He obviously can't coach anymore.  Not in a BCS conference at least.

people don't read anymore.  it's lost on today's generation, i'm afraid.

[hogsanity]

Depends on who you ask.  The '98 hire was done with a selection committee at the urging of then-chancellor John White.  The committee eventually went with the candidate most fans were clamoring for--Houston Nutt--over Tuberville. 

So, some will say White and some will say the committee.  Both share responsibility, but I put more of it on the committee.  They were football people and should have known better.  There's not much doubt, as I understand it, that Broyles preferred Tuberville.

IT was White via the committee.  He knew the committee would go with Nutt.  He also knew that no current decent HC at a BSC school would come and openly interview, so he again cut down the prospect pool. If he had just let JFB do what he always did, JFB would have gone to TT with a check and said, we want you, lets make a deal, and TT would have been the coach. 

[josh_sec33]

here is my reason why I don't want TT or Butch Davis.

They didn't set the world on fire when they were in the SEC or ACC, so honestly, why or how are they going to set the world on fire at Arkansas.

you need to get a coach that has proven they can DOMINATE a conference that is weaker than the SEC, and thus has a change to compete in the SEC year in and year out.

TT and BD didn't do it, so they won't do it here.

[dr_scottymac]

So who is your guy and why?

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

here is my reason why I don't want TT or Butch Davis.

They didn't set the world on fire when they were in the SEC or ACC, so honestly, why or how are they going to set the world on fire at Arkansas.

you need to get a coach that has proven they can DOMINATE a conference that is weaker than the SEC, and thus has a change to compete in the SEC year in and year out.

TT and BD didn't do it, so they won't do it here.

Saben didn't dominate the big 10

[Fayettechill14]

He couldn't hack it, so he jumped over to Auburn. Let's look at those stats (he fared slightly better, of course).

You mean he didn't win big at juggernaut Ole Miss so he was downgraded to measly mid-major Auburn? LOL okay.

Alabama     10 Games   7-3-0
Arkansas     10 Games   5-5-0
Florida     7 Games   3-3-0
Georgia     10 Games   5-5-0
Kentucky     2 Games   2-0-0
LSU    10 Games   5-5-0
Mississippi State     10 Games   7-3-0
Ole Miss     10 Games   7-3-0
South Carolina     2 Games   2-0-0   
Tennessee    5 Games   3-1-0
Vanderbilt     6 Games   5-1-0
vs SEC   82 Games   51-29-0 (62.19% winning percentage)

This may be the single most convincing argument IN FAVOR of Tuberville...he did not have a losing record against any SEC opponent.

[Fayettechill14]

here is my reason why I don't want TT or Butch Davis.

They didn't set the world on fire when they were in the SEC or ACC, so honestly, why or how are they going to set the world on fire at Arkansas.

you need to get a coach that has proven they can DOMINATE a conference that is weaker than the SEC, and thus has a change to compete in the SEC year in and year out.

TT and BD didn't do it, so they won't do it here.

Davis did set the world on fire at Miami.

And Saban didn't set the world on fire at Michigan State.

[NaturalStateReb]

here is my reason why I don't want TT or Butch Davis.

They didn't set the world on fire when they were in the SEC or ACC, so honestly, why or how are they going to set the world on fire at Arkansas.

you need to get a coach that has proven they can DOMINATE a conference that is weaker than the SEC, and thus has a change to compete in the SEC year in and year out.

TT and BD didn't do it, so they won't do it here.

No team has won the SEC back-to-back in football since Tennessee did it in 97-98.  Even with coaches like Saban, Meyer, Miles, Tuberville, Richt, and Spurrier, no one program has been able to consistently dominate the SEC.  There's no reason to expect that a mid-major coach would do it, either.

Tuberville won at least a share of the west 5 out of 10 seasons at Auburn.  That sounds pretty competitive to me.

[Fayettechill14]

No team has won the SEC back-to-back in football since Tennessee did it in 97-98.  Even with coaches like Saban, Meyer, Miles, Tuberville, Richt, and Spurrier, no one program has been able to consistently dominate the SEC.  There's no reason to expect that a mid-major coach would do it, either.

Kirby Smart is slowly winning me over. Mullen, Strong, and Muschamp are all ex-SEC coordinators that are in their first job. Combined record 21-0.

FWIW, people said Mullen was a pawn of Urban Meyer much like Smart is a puppet of Saban. When you're around the master that long, surely it rubs off on you.

[the_kosher_pig]

here is my reason why I don't want TT or Butch Davis.

They didn't set the world on fire when they were in the SEC or ACC, so honestly, why or how are they going to set the world on fire at Arkansas.

you need to get a coach that has proven they can DOMINATE a conference that is weaker than the SEC, and thus has a change to compete in the SEC year in and year out.

TT and BD didn't do it, so they won't do it here.

Davis left the year before a National Championship and TT went 13-0 in the SEC.  What's "didn't set the world on fire" mean to you?

[urkillnmesmalls]

here is my reason why I don't want TT or Butch Davis.

They didn't set the world on fire when they were in the SEC or ACC, so honestly, why or how are they going to set the world on fire at Arkansas.

you need to get a coach that has proven they can DOMINATE a conference that is weaker than the SEC, and thus has a change to compete in the SEC year in and year out.

TT and BD didn't do it, so they won't do it here.

TT went undefeated at Auburn in 2004.  That's about as good as it gets isn't it? 

He has some great qualities.  Demeanor, respect, and I think he's great at adapting.  What you see on the field at TTech is completely different than what he had at Ole Miss and Auburn. 

Again, and it's my consistent fear, I don't want a team built around nothing but a high flying offense.  When I think of Big 12, I think of finesse teams that score a lot of points and don't play defense.  Then when they face someone who does...they get rung up.  Even with TT, I would want to know that a top DC was going to be at the helm of the defense. 

I disagree with your assessment, and I think TT and BD would likely do well here. 

[the_kosher_pig]

I'm not an advocate of any coach.  I'm for Davis, Tuberville, Strong, etc.  But Tuberville has taken a spread offensive team and turned them into a defensive unit.  Hard to completely change the mindset of a team without talent. 

[NaturalStateReb]

Kirby Smart is slowly winning me over. Mullen, Strong, and Muschamp are all ex-SEC coordinators that are in their first job. Combined record 21-0.

FWIW, people said Mullen was a pawn of Urban Meyer much like Smart is a puppet of Saban. When you're around the master that long, surely it rubs off on you.

Strong went 14-12 his first two years at Louisville.  Mullen's under an NCAA cloud.  Joker Phillips is also an ex-SEC coordinator, but that's not working out too well. 

Muschamp's got Florida moving in the right direction.

Does something rub off?  Probably so.  But, for whatever reason, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Southern Miss, and Arizona State have all had a chance to hire Smart, and they all passed.  I don't know what it is, but something's causing other programs to pass on Smart.  Makes me wonder if he's a defensive Norm Chow.

[urkillnmesmalls]

Kirby Smart is slowly winning me over. Mullen, Strong, and Muschamp are all ex-SEC coordinators that are in their first job. Combined record 21-0.

FWIW, people said Mullen was a pawn of Urban Meyer much like Smart is a puppet of Saban. When you're around the master that long, surely it rubs off on you.

It makes it sort of tough to argue when you put it like that. 

Right now, we're seeing what defense means in CFB.  While it may appear to be a lost art, it's because there are only a few teams that are still displaying it.  Bama, LSU, and now Florida. 

There are plenty of scenarios I would take over Smart, but there are plenty I would put him ahead of too.