Is Penn St. in better shape than Arkansas?

[hogcard1964]

Honest question. I realize they're not bowl eligible but do they have the means to be more competaive than us sooner?

My God, how far we've fallen.

[Tim Harris]

No

[dizzy_lavender]

They have espn throwing them a pity party and laugh at us for thinking we could win a championship

[racingpossum]

Yes they have one hell of a coach plus #1qb commit..

We have a circus clown.

We are also the fifth best destination job in our own division.

[Razorfox]

Dude, really?  They haven't even gotten their punishment yet.  Wait until all those scholarships disappear. 

[BartIV]

Penn State vs Ark

1. No Post season for both teams
2. Losing records for both teams
3. Recruiting will suffer for both teams

Penn State has a Head Coach, people will continue to go to the games, donations will be high, but they are still a punch line

Arkansas doesn't have a head coach, people will stop going to games, donation will drop some, and we will still be a punch line, but we have integrity.

Everything looks about equal.

[WrigleyvilleHog]

Uhh, No

[CR7]

Dude, really?  They haven't even gotten their punishment yet. Wait until all those scholarships disappear.

Ummmm what?

[BartIV]

Dude, really?  They haven't even gotten their punishment yet.  Wait until all those scholarships disappear. 

We are receiving our punishment right now.

[Razorfox]

Penn State vs Ark

1. No Post season for both teams
2. Losing records for both teams
3. Recruiting will suffer for both teams

Penn State has a Head Coach, people will continue to go to the games, donations will be high, but they are still a punch line

Arkansas doesn't have a head coach, people will stop going to games, donation will drop some, and we will still be a punch line, but we have integrity.

Everything looks about equal.

Dude, you need a break from this board and from Hog sports.  Do you have any other things in life to get back to?

[Razorfox]

Ummmm what?

How many scholarships are they short right now?

[ShadowTheHedgehog]

The main difference is that they got a coach. They should had let Penn State keep their schollies and money but forced them to hire JLS instead. That's a much harsher penalty.

[arkansasbred]

Not just no, but hell no.

[BartIV]

Dude, you need a break from this board and from Hog sports.  Do you have any other things in life to get back to?

Our seasons are going in the same directions and both futures don't look bright. Penn States recruiting used to be a lot better than ours, but now we are about equal with them now.
Them having a head coach is a big plus.

[mmks1]

All we need is a child molester to bring us even w/ Penn st.People think our next coach is Gruden or Carrol.LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!We have given ourselves a death penalty in a span of 7 days.I honestly don't think even the Chicago cubs could accomplish this.Although this is Arkansas.

[jdhogg0707]

Honest question. I realize they're not bowl eligible but do they have the means to be more competaive than us sooner?

My God, how far we've fallen.

Any player can leave that team at any time for any reason for four years?  No question we're better off. 

No question.

[Razorfox]

Our seasons are going in the same directions and both futures don't look bright. Penn States recruiting used to be a lot better than ours, but now we are about equal with them now.
Them having a head coach is a big plus.

We are having a one year debacle.  They are just starting a multi-year debacle.  I am literally amazed you are so shortsighted and focused on just this season not to see the difference. 

[BartIV]

We are having a one year debacle.  They are just starting a multi-year debacle.  I am literally amazed you are so shortsighted and focused on just this season not to see the difference. 

Everyone on here agree's we are going to be down for 5-7 years now because of this. We are in a full rebuilding mode now.

Penn State plays in a easier conference. They have that going for them.

[Fatty McGee]

Everyone on here agree's we are going to be down for 5-7 years now because of this. We are in a full rebuilding mode now.

Penn State plays in a easier conference. They have that going for them.

Who is "everyone"?  That's nonsense.

[Razorfox]

Everyone on here agree's we are going to be down for 5-7 years now because of this. We are in a full rebuilding mode now.

Penn State plays in a easier conference. They have that going for them.

Ya'll saying that sound as ridiculous as the folks that said firing Nutt would set us back 10 years.  The Arkansas fan base has to be the dumbest on the planet. 

[BartIV]

Who is "everyone"?  That's nonsense.

The majority.

We do have people on here whose glass is always half full and blindly optimistic though.

[BartIV]

Ya'll saying that sound as ridiculous as the folks that said firing Nutt would set us back 10 years.  The Arkansas fan base has to be the dumbest on the planet. 

Fan short for fanatic.

[jdhogg0707]

Everyone on here agree's we are going to be down for 5-7 years now because of this. We are in a full rebuilding mode now.

Penn State plays in a easier conference. They have that going for them.

5-7 years?  What?  Why?  Any team that is willing to pay 3.5m for a coach isn't going to be down for long. 

Relax mane. 

[Razorfox]

The majority.

We do have people on here whose glass is always half full and blindly optimistic though.

Anything the majority of this board writes or believes is wrong about 90% of the time.  It's one of the funniest things I've EVER seen.  If this board said the sky was blue today, it would turn out to be green. 

[Razorfox]

Fan short for fanatic.

Nope, fanatic doesn't mean leave your brain at the door.  I have an entire room of my house dedicated to Razorback stuff along with flags outside, etc.  It doesn't give me the rights to be an idiot. 

[kaiserhog]

Ya'll saying that sound as ridiculous as the folks that said firing Nutt would set us back 10 years.  The Arkansas fan base has to be the dumbest on the planet.

Well, find another team if you feel that way.

[BartIV]

Anything the majority of this board writes or believes is wrong about 90% of the time.  It's one of the funniest things I've EVER seen.  If this board said the sky was blue today, it would turn out to be green. 

Well, we will find out in a couple of months which direction the Arkansas Razorbacks will be going. Hope you are right because you are putting all your chips down on Jeff Long to make a big hire when Bobby P. just fell into his lap.

[Razorfox]

Well, find another team if you feel that way.

Dude, I assure you that if it was the fans that I cheered for, I wouldn't be a Hog fan. 

[hawgball9401]

I would say it remains to be seen, based mainly on the selection of our new HC. 

The right head coach can come in here and have us competing at high levels in 2-3 seasons.

If the wrong HC is hired..........we've all seen that movie.

[Razorfox]

Well, we will find out in a couple of months which direction the Arkansas Razorbacks will be going. Hope you are right because you are putting all your chips down on Jeff Long to make a big hire when Bobby P. just fell into his lap.

And yet you refuse to realize that it's not Long's fault that coaches weren't flocking back in 2007.  He's fighting against many years of Arkansas' reality.  Poor state, less fans than other programs, less money, insane fans, less than stellar history, etc.  Ya'll just think because you want things to be better that some magic genie can just make it happen. 

[BartIV]

And yet you refuse to realize that it's not Long's fault that coaches weren't flocking back in 2007.  He's fighting against many years of Arkansas' reality.  Poor state, less fans than other programs, less money, insane fans, less than stellar history, etc.  Ya'll just think because you want things to be better that some magic genie can just make it happen. 

So you are saying Penn States situation is looking better than ours?

[kaiserhog]

Dude, I assure you that if it was the fans that I cheered for, I wouldn't be a Hog fan.

I wonder

[luckyrazrbk]

The main difference is that they got a coach. They should had let Penn State keep their schollies and money but forced them to hire JLS instead. That's a much harsher penalty.

im liking that idea +1

[Gabrielhog]

We'll find out who'd worse when they play each other in the toilet bowl at the end of the year. 

[hawgball9401]

And yet you refuse to realize that it's not Long's fault that coaches weren't flocking back in 2007.  He's fighting against many years of Arkansas' reality.  Poor state, less fans than other programs, less money, insane fans, less than stellar history, etc.  Ya'll just think because you want things to be better that some magic genie can just make it happen. 

All the more reason to NOT fire BP!!!

[Razorfox]

So you are saying Penn States situation is looking better than ours?

No, Penn State only have a moderately better history than ours.  But they also have several other built in advantages over us too.  Having said that, losing as much money and scholarships as they are about to takes much of those things out of the equation for a long time. 

[luckyrazrbk]

well atleast the players know they wont have to take a sandusky shower here

[Razorfox]

All the more reason to NOT fire BP!!!

Nope, you fire people when they deserve it.  You don't give someone preferential treatment for any reason.   

[hogcard1964]

Penn State vs Ark

1. No Post season for both teams
2. Losing records for both teams
3. Recruiting will suffer for both teams

Penn State has a Head Coach, people will continue to go to the games, donations will be high, but they are still a punch line
Arkansas doesn't have a head coach, people will stop going to games, donation will drop some, and we will still be a punch line, but we have integrity.

Everything looks about equal.

Exactly how I see it.

[HoggyCat]

I said it last week, and tweeted it to Jeffy....... One more stupid hire and they will recover quicker.

[CR7]

How many scholarships are they short right now?

Not very many, especially since they've have 10 players leave the team already. Plus the one kid that just left last week.

[Aston Martin 8 dude]

Honest question. I realize they're not bowl eligible but do they have the means to be more competaive than us sooner?

My God, how far we've fallen.

While things are certainly dark for us now I certainly WOULDN'T under any circumstances want to be PSU at this point. While the situation on the Hill is bad it certainly isn't as difficult as the Lion's will be for a while. At least we don't have the type of NCAA sanctions and penalties the folks in "sad valley" are going to have to overcome for quite some time to come.

Finding a viable HC is obviously a major and understandable concern for us. However, at least trying to get this team back on track for the future isn't going to require an almost total reconstruction under the stigma and sanctions PSU is going to have to face. Don't forget too that the reputation of "Childgate" is going to be a nuclear cloud that will continue to haunt them for far into the future.

[HogInFlorida]

LOL. If you honestly think Arkansas is in any way close to how bad Penn State is at... Wow. We're looking at a bad year. They're looking at a bad decade.

[Razorfox]

LOL. If you honestly think Arkansas is in any way close to how bad Penn State is at... Wow. We're looking at a bad year. They're looking at a bad decade.

Thank you. 

[hawgball9401]

Nope, you fire people when they deserve it.  You don't give someone preferential treatment for any reason.   

It's called discipline at the lowest level to correct the undesired behavior.  I didn't say you ignore, you try first to correct it.

If every military member was ousted every time he/she behaved inappropriately, we would be reduced to a militia.

[HoggyCat]

LOL. If you honestly think Arkansas is in any way close to how bad Penn State is at... Wow. We're looking at a bad year. They're looking at a bad decade.

You'll see how long we're down if Jeffy screws up thus hire like he did with JLS. There ain't no BP knocking on his door this time, and with the fan outcry and players but giving their all in the face of adversity.......

Buckle up, gonna be a bumpy ride.

[HG]

How many scholarships are they short right now?

Ironically, not as many as you'd think -- transfers and decommits freed up several. 

[Fatty McGee]

The majority.

We do have people on here whose glass is always half full and blindly optimistic though.

Everyone does not mean majority. However, a new coach can easily turn us around, or have us on the path, within three years. And it's a nearly complete guess if this or that coach will work. Unless their names are Saban or Meyer. 

So relax, we won't know anything until at least the end of 2014.

[silverandbluedc]

I think the answer to this question will be determined when we know who our coach is. At this time, I see our situation being as bad as PSU's because we lack the one thing they have, a head coach who is prepared. If Long hires someone like JLS again, we will be worse off in the long run. If Long gets the right guy, we will right the ship long before Penn State.

[Professor Psychosis]

I think the answer to this question will be determined when we know who our coach is. At this time, I see our situation being as bad as PSU's because we lack the one thing they have, a head coach who is prepared. If Long hires someone like JLS again, we will be worse off in the long run. If Long gets the right guy, we will right the ship long before Penn State.

That's how I see it too.

For this year, after week 3:

Penn State 1-2 vs FBS teams
Arkansas 0-2 vs FBS teams

So on the surface, for this moment in time, yes, they are, although we may finish with a slightly better record than them.