Clemens Not Guilty on All Counts

[Jackrabbit Hog]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8068819/roger-clemens-found-not-guilty-all-six-counts-perjury-trial

What a colossal, stupendous waste of money and government resources.  Hope some folks learn a lesson from this.

[PharmacistHog]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8068819/roger-clemens-found-not-guilty-all-six-counts-perjury-trial

What a colossal, stupendous waste of money and government resources.  Hope some folks learn a lesson from this.

**cough, cough, Lance Armstrong prosecutors, cough, cough**

[GeneKeadysRug]

Theres nothing to learn here. Everyone should already know that justice  favors the powerful and wealthy.

[BigSexyHog]

Clemens is still a worthless no good SOB.  Never cared for him and never will.  Don't care he lied about taking steroids cause we all know the jerkwad juiced like only Canseco did.  Screw RC and if he makes the HOF I am going to stop watching baseball altogether.

[bsking]

Good luck on making the Hall roger.  You're gonna need it.

[Oliver]

Good luck on making the Hall roger.  You're gonna need it.

Exactly.  I thought the lawsuits were frivolous but this lying no good piece of dung won't have an easy time making the Hall of Fame.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Here's the problem.  It should not be the GOVERNMENT trying to police all these drug cases.  And I know, before anyone says this wasn't a drug trial but a perjury trial (much like Bonds' trial was for obstruction of justice, not PEDs), it would never had been brought but for the fact that Clemens is a big name pro athlete who was a suspected PED cheater.  But prosecutors keep bringing these cases and then trying them before juries that could care less and have a hard time staying awake.  It's simply a losing proposition for the government.

The individual sport's governing body (NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.) should have the integrity and the stones to be the police force, judge and jury for all of this, but because of the almighty dollar and collective bargaining agreements with players' unions, enforcement by the leagues is weak as well.  So we'll always have cheaters.  Some will get caught because they are careless or stupid, or both, while many many others will keep getting away with it.  It's a microcosm of society as a whole.

[clutch]

Exactly.  I thought the lawsuits were frivolous but this lying no good piece of dung won't have an easy time making the Hall of Fame.

I don't know. I'm thinking the opposite. It's going to be hard to keep him out since he beat perjury case, which is basically saying he beat the steroid case. Now I don't believe he was actually clean, I think he used for sure, but now it's awfully hard to keep him out because of steroids. He's done a lot to clear his name, even if it's a lot of bull. If you keep him out now, they are keeping him out under the suspicion of PED's. They don't have any proof. If they start keeping guys out based on suspicion then they really won't be letting anybody else in.

[Oliver]

I don't know. I'm thinking the opposite. It's going to be hard to keep him out since he beat perjury case, which is basically saying he beat the steroid case. Now I don't believe he was actually clean, I think he used for sure, but now it's awfully hard to keep him out because of steroids. He's done a lot to clear his name, even if it's a lot of bull. If you keep him out now, they are keeping him out under the suspicion of PED's. They don't have any proof. If they start keeping guys out based on suspicion then they really won't be letting anybody else in.

If your name has ever been linked to PED's, you might make the Hall of Fame...but you definitely aren't going to be first ballot. And to me that's a good enough insult. 

Had Roger Clemens never cheated, he would be an easy first ballot Hall of Famer.  That's not happening now.

[bsking]

I don't know. I'm thinking the opposite. It's going to be hard to keep him out since he beat perjury case, which is basically saying he beat the steroid case. Now I don't believe he was actually clean, I think he used for sure, but now it's awfully hard to keep him out because of steroids. He's done a lot to clear his name, even if it's a lot of bull. If you keep him out now, they are keeping him out under the suspicion of PED's. They don't have any proof. If they start keeping guys out based on suspicion then they really won't be letting anybody else in.

I don't think the trial matters one bit.  This isn't some unbiased group of jury members voting for the HOF.  These are guys that are old school.  They HATE the roid era with a passion.  They HATE that a lot of the older records were broken by cheaters.  It doesn't matter one bit if you have any proof.  If your name is whispered to have been a juicer, your chances are slim to none.  And I'll be shocked if Roger gets in.

[NotStupid]

I don't think the trial matters one bit.  This isn't some unbiased group of jury members voting for the HOF.  These are guys that are old school.  They HATE the roid era with a passion.  They HATE that a lot of the older records were broken by cheaters.  It doesn't matter one bit if you have any proof.  If your name is whispered to have been a juicer, your chances are slim to none.  And I'll be shocked if Roger gets in.

That's right.  These PED guys won't get in until the electorate turns over enough that its not a bunch of crusty old men voting.  And that takes a long time.  That really sucks in my opinion, because a hall of fame without Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds has no credibility whatsoever.

[clutch]

That's right.  These PED guys won't get in until the electorate turns over enough that its not a bunch of crusty old men voting.  And that takes a long time.  That really sucks in my opinion, because a hall of fame without Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds has no credibility whatsoever.

A hall of fame without Pete Rose already lacks credibility.

[bsking]

A hall of fame without Pete Rose already lacks credibility.

Completely different situation.  Rose is banned from the Hall.  There are a bunch of voters that would put him in and I think he would and will eventually get it.  Roiders aren't banned, they just wont get the votes.

[clutch]

Completely different situation.  Rose is banned from the Hall.  There are a bunch of voters that would put him in and I think he would and will eventually get it.  Roiders aren't banned, they just wont get the votes.

I'm not saying that the situations are the same. Just saying that he should be in.

[bsking]

I'm not saying that the situations are the same. Just saying that he should be in.

Agree a thousand percent.