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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8900 on: June 23, 2012, 12:36:27 am »

You guys can pick on me all you want....we lost and it sucks.  But, again you miss my point...this team went as further than it should have.  Yeah, snuck a steal with 2 outs tonite but that has not been our forte all year and you know it.  We need a more complete team  IMHO.....I gotta play in a tourny tomorrow good nite to you all.  Great season.  I love the strong debates over here in EI...just think we need to acknowledge some of our weaknesses as well.
I agree with some of your points but not all of them.  We are also a pretty good defensive team.  We do need to take these games out the the umps' hands, for sure.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8901 on: June 23, 2012, 12:40:01 am »

our best player needed to be our best player for us to win it all, and sad to say, he picked a bad time to go cold....happens to every baseball player if you play long enough...that's the way it goes
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8902 on: June 23, 2012, 12:42:23 am »

Ump sucked both ways
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8903 on: June 23, 2012, 12:43:47 am »

Ump sucked both ways

No Scott. Not even close.  Please stop. You know better.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8904 on: June 23, 2012, 12:44:29 am »

Ump sucked both ways

Of course. However his incompetency benefitted one team one more than the other because of the circumstances they happened in.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8905 on: June 23, 2012, 12:44:49 am »

Ump sucked both ways
early yes
later no
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8906 on: June 23, 2012, 12:53:45 am »

Ump sucked both ways
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Ump sucked both ways
Costello hasn't screwed your team in the past as he has us and he continued to do so this week, only thing is we were able to keep him from taking the game away from us the first of the week.  Tonight he made certain we could not control our own fate.  As stated by our coach....we do not walk 9 batters ever.....Explain that Mr. Know-it-all. The Arkansas boys deserved much better than what they got tonight.  Enjoy your win that was given to you.  Go celebrate with your fans. 
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8907 on: June 23, 2012, 01:08:45 am »

I will add that most national outlets are talking about the balls and strikes that were called tonight.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8908 on: June 23, 2012, 01:09:15 am »

I hope that Jeff Long will file a complaint but we will never hear about it.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8909 on: June 23, 2012, 01:11:35 am »

I will add that most national outlets are talking about the balls and strikes that were called tonight.


His strike zone was worse in Tempe and this fool is still calling meaningful games two years later. It apparently doesn't matter.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8910 on: June 23, 2012, 01:13:17 am »

I will add that most national outlets are talking about the balls and strikes that were called tonight.

Which ones?
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8912 on: June 23, 2012, 01:21:32 am »

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2012/6/23/3112171/2012-college-world-series-south-carolina-3-arkansas-2-umpires

TSK is one of best around, especially during fb season.  What's very notable is it a SB-Nation South Carolina site run by some real sharp sports guys.

GOOD FOR THEM!
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8913 on: June 23, 2012, 01:28:06 am »

Here are some stills from the first Sportscenter segment on our game after the conclusion.  These were third strike calls:







Unbelievable.  Sad thing is, only one of those pitches is kinda sorta close to a strike.

I'd love to get stills of the "balls" that walked in SCar's 2nd and 3rd runs.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8914 on: June 23, 2012, 01:30:49 am »

A blog? That's what you bring to the table?  Aaron Fitt and Kendall Rogers actual college baseball pundits(probably the two biggest one) have both said the ump was bad both ways, and he was--hell, he took a run away from us. 

On that bang-bang double play at first?  They showed the replay at least half a dozen times the rest of the game and, every I saw it I thought it was 50/50.  In that situation, the runner is going to be called out 9 times out of 10.  I'll admit, live it looked like he was safe, but the replay showed the ball arrived Fic's glove at basically the exact same time the SCar runner stepped on first. 
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8915 on: June 23, 2012, 01:32:02 am »

Yes, because everyone knows the pitch tracker is 100 percent accurate

For two of those you don't even need the pitch tracker to see he made the wrong call.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8916 on: June 23, 2012, 01:32:13 am »

A blog? That's what you bring to the table?  Aaron Fitt and Kendall Rogers actual college baseball pundits(probably the two biggest one) have both said the ump was bad both ways, and he was--hell, he took a run away from us. 
And he gave you two runs.....so what's your point?  Should have at least gone in to extra innings.  You won...so why argue on our message board? For once others saw the truth as well and agree BOTH teams deserved better than what was shown this evening. 
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8917 on: June 23, 2012, 01:33:35 am »

A blog? That's what you bring to the table?  Aaron Fitt and Kendall Rogers actual college baseball pundits(probably the two biggest one) have both said the ump was bad both ways, and he was--hell, he took a run away from us.

You're not really Scott Wingo, are you?  Just looked at both sites you mentioned, and neither has yet to post game articles.  If it's twitter you're talking about, give the links.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8918 on: June 23, 2012, 01:35:47 am »

Yes, because everyone knows the pitch tracker is 100 percent accurate

It is.  It uses a system of 3 cameras with motion sensing and triangulates the pitch position.  Each pitch will normally register about 30 data points.  So no it isn't 100% accurate but it isn't off anywhere close to an inch.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8919 on: June 23, 2012, 01:44:56 am »

Kendall Rogers ‏@KendallRogersPG
I would agree with my colleague @aaronfitt. The umpire is flat out terrible, but don't think there's a "Fix" in like some are claiming. #CWS
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That says  nothing about it being bad both ways. Just suggesting he was bad, but nothing more than that. Yes, he took a run away from SC, but that never happens if he calls the strike out like he should have. Arkansas had 4 batters strike out on pitches well off the plate. Meanwhile, SC had 3 or 4 batters walk on pitches that hit the strike zone. It was not even close to consistent. SC were getting calls over the opposite batter's box, while Arkansas weren't even getting pitches at the knees over the plate.

Typically I wouldn't be mad about the walk Bax gave up because they were balls. However, when Arkansas was at the plate Bax's last two pitches that were called balls were called strikes on us probably 5 or 6 times. It cheated us out of multiple at bats, while giving SC multiple base runners. Bigham was safe in his play at third last night, so your play at the plate just balances it out in my opinion. The strike zone was nowhere near in your even.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8920 on: June 23, 2012, 01:45:03 am »

Kendall Rogers ‏@KendallRogersPG
I would agree with my colleague @aaronfitt. The umpire is flat out terrible, but don't think there's a "Fix" in like some are claiming. #CWS
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Has Costello screwed your team in the past?  Didn't think so...so it is easy to say the game wasn't fixed since your team does not have a history with Costello.  Nice try to defend a poorly called game.  You won...move on and leave the Razorback fans alone.  It is what it is...but the better team TONIGHT..did not win.  The better team last night did win...as well as the better team earlier this week.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8921 on: June 23, 2012, 01:47:43 am »

A blog? That's what you bring to the table?  Aaron Fitt and Kendall Rogers actual college baseball pundits(probably the two biggest one) have both said the ump was bad both ways, and he was--hell, he took a run away from us. 

So you debunk pundits from a website by posting pundits from another website. Logical.

...and how can a run be "taken away from us" if you shouldn't have been in the situation to get another run to begin with?
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8922 on: June 23, 2012, 01:55:14 am »

This is the tweet Kendall Rogers was agreeing with, that includes the link to the 2010 article -

Aaron Fitt ‏@aaronfitt:
Not the first time Hogs have been unhappy with Perry Costello... MT @arkyhawg: interesting article from 2 yrs ago 
http://arkansas.scout.com/2/976957.html
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8923 on: June 23, 2012, 02:06:10 am »

just wanted to pop in and say congrats to the team on a good season.

my only gripe is walking a run in.  if you cant get it over the plate in that situation, then you are giving the game away.

all in all another good season, hope we are back in the cws next year
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8924 on: June 23, 2012, 02:14:30 am »

Yes, because everyone knows the pitch tracker is 100 percent accurate

Do you need more proof?  Jesus Christ....
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8925 on: June 23, 2012, 02:45:41 am »

Yes, because everyone knows the pitch tracker is 100 percent accurate

Where is the catchers mitt? lol

Lord.. Go celebrate. You scored 1 run and beat us 3-2 congrats
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8926 on: June 23, 2012, 03:12:47 am »

This is the tweet Kendall Rogers was agreeing with, that includes the link to the 2010 article -

Aaron Fitt ‏@aaronfitt:
Not the first time Hogs have been unhappy with Perry Costello... MT @arkyhawg: interesting article from 2 yrs ago 
http://arkansas.scout.com/2/976957.html

No it isn't.  The tweet he was agreeing with was IN his tweet, lol, do you have any idea how twitter works?
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8927 on: June 23, 2012, 03:13:32 am »

Where is the catchers mitt? lol

Lord.. Go celebrate. You scored 1 run and beat us 3-2 congrats

Yes, I do, thanks for proving my point.  where the ball is caught ISN'T where the ball passed over the plate.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8928 on: June 23, 2012, 05:52:39 am »

Yes, I do, thanks for proving my point.  where the ball is caught ISN'T where the ball passed over the plate.
So according to your point, you are also agreeing that 90% of the pitches called balls by Costello were NOT balls and our pitchers were screwed by his calls. 
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8929 on: June 23, 2012, 06:03:07 am »

Yes, I do, thanks for proving my point.  where the ball is caught ISN'T where the ball passed over the plate.
the best thing you can do is carry your ass back to CockyTalk and do whatever it is that you guys do over there....in two weeks no one but the winning team will remember nor likely care who won the CWS....but people will care when we whip your asses in football for 14th time out of 20
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8930 on: June 23, 2012, 08:37:34 am »

I've seen cheating umps and it looked just like that.


Like I said I could care less....... that was brutal.
How much less could you care?
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8931 on: June 23, 2012, 08:42:12 am »

First post in here, even though I have watched and lived Hog baseball since the McReynolds, etc. era.

Haven't read this entire thread but I will say a couple of things:

One, we need a better approach at the plate.  Our guys go up with no damn clue, no plan, no understanding of what the situation requires.  Sunshine congratulated one tonight for grounding to third with one out, runners on second and third.  Runners were held while batter was thrown out at first.  Really Rick? 

Two, anyone hoping for an SC loss to Arizona is pathetic.  Do not hold it against SC for winning two straight against us - even though tonight was SC and Costello vs. our Hogs.  It sickens me when any SEC team's fans root against another's when playing outside conferences.  SC loses and, all of a sudden, we didn't have such a great year.

 
There are a lot of petty and immature Hog fans. If a team beats the Hogs, the fans want that team to get killed in future. I do not. I hope SC represents the SEC and beats Arizona in 2. SC beat the Hogs 2 out of 3 in Baum and 2 out of 3, under extreme duress, on neutral field. They are clearly the superior team and clearly possess a better coaching staff than the Hogs'.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8932 on: June 23, 2012, 08:45:35 am »

Honestly... I really think that outside of Fico and Reynolds that we genuinely just don't have guys that can hit at the college level and at times they play better than what they are and fool us.
And Fico and Reynolds did virtually nothing when we needed them in CWS vs SC.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8933 on: June 23, 2012, 08:46:51 am »

His strike zone was worse in Tempe and this fool is still calling meaningful games two years later. It apparently doesn't matter.
And the refs in the Fla game a few years ago are still calling SEC football games too. Going down this road to complain is a fruitless effort.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8934 on: June 23, 2012, 09:31:43 am »

And the refs in the Fla game a few years ago are still calling SEC football games too. Going down this road to complain is a fruitless effort.

As is your tireless efforts to convince us that you're right and we're wrong ...  jeez.  Give it a rest.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8935 on: June 23, 2012, 09:33:49 am »

As is your tireless efforts to convince us that you're right and we're wrong ...  jeez.  Give it a rest.
That makes no sense. My point is that fans should stop blaming refs and umps for Arkansas athletics' failings. Grow up.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8936 on: June 23, 2012, 09:49:38 am »

That makes no sense. My point is that fans should stop blaming refs and umps for Arkansas athletics' failings. Grow up.
I don't seem to recall any fans complaining about the calls in the Thursday night game when the Hogs weren't mentally prepared, didn't play well, etc.  Arkansas fans do NOT blame the officiating for every loss!  But Friday night we got the Perry Costello Screw Job Special, so fans are understandably upset.

It's disgraceful when an ump, official, ref actually determines who has the much better opportunity to win a game because of his incompetence, faulty perspective, preconceived notions, etc!  Costello's actions tainted the game and the whole College World Series and was disrespectful to all the players and coaches who put so much heart and soul into the game, and also to fans who invested their time and money in following their respective teams.  When the ump becomes a bigger story than the players, a travesty has occurred!
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8937 on: June 23, 2012, 11:14:10 am »

I don't seem to recall any fans complaining about the calls in the Thursday night game when the Hogs weren't mentally prepared, didn't play well, etc.  Arkansas fans do NOT blame the officiating for every loss!  But Friday night we got the Perry Costello Screw Job Special, so fans are understandably upset.

It's disgraceful when an ump, official, ref actually determines who has the much better opportunity to win a game because of his incompetence, faulty perspective, preconceived notions, etc!  Costello's actions tainted the game and the whole College World Series and was disrespectful to all the players and coaches who put so much heart and soul into the game, and also to fans who invested their time and money in following their respective teams.  When the ump becomes a bigger story than the players, a travesty has occurred!

Maybe we should of showed up to play on Thursday, then we wouldn't be so upset today!
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8938 on: June 23, 2012, 04:41:40 pm »

Yes, I do, thanks for proving my point.  where the ball is caught ISN'T where the ball passed over the plate.

You don't have a point. You can't. There is no way around it. The calls were terrible.

Congrats on scoring one run and winning..
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8939 on: June 23, 2012, 04:53:57 pm »

Yes, I do, thanks for proving my point.  where the ball is caught ISN'T where the ball passed over the plate.

Have you noticed how many articles today are talking about how the strike zone was different for SC and Arkansas.  Dude be happy your team won but it was pretty obvious that we got screwed.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8940 on: June 25, 2012, 12:58:47 pm »

Just wanted to say that South Carolina sure looks like a championship team out there tonight - don't they? Guess they're not as good when they aren't getting nine free bases and two free runs. I'm SEC all the way, but REFUSE to cheer for SC due to the circumstances of Perry Costello's (homeplate umpire) win Friday. Game One goes to Arizona 6-1.  The only way SC wins tonight is if Perry Costello is the home plate umpire.  Go Cats!
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8941 on: June 25, 2012, 07:48:11 pm »

I CANNOT stand the homages that Mike Patrick and Orel Hershiser are giving to SC pitching (in particular, Michael Roth). Well so far NOT so good - Cats up 1-0 after two. Go Cats!!!
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8942 on: June 25, 2012, 08:15:58 pm »

    Don't know if anyone knows it or has already posted it, but the Arizona pitcher is originally from Jonesboro. They moved to Arizona after his freshman year. My nephew play legion ball with him that summer before they left. He was good as a 9th grader.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8943 on: June 25, 2012, 09:21:06 pm »

Just wanted to say that South Carolina sure looks like a championship team out there tonight - don't they? Guess they're not as good when they aren't getting nine free bases and two free runs. I'm SEC all the way, but REFUSE to cheer for SC due to the circumstances of Perry Costello's (homeplate umpire) win Friday. Game One goes to Arizona 6-1.  The only way SC wins tonight is if Perry Costello is the home plate umpire.  Go Cats!
Then you are not "SEC all the way.." if hoping AZ wins due to something an up did which had nothing to do with SC. Loser.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8944 on: June 25, 2012, 10:17:04 pm »

Gamecocks, it's time to sit down.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8945 on: June 25, 2012, 10:18:49 pm »

As is your tireless efforts to convince us that you're right and we're wrong ...  jeez.  Give it a rest.
Now?
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8946 on: June 26, 2012, 07:39:05 am »

I CANNOT stand the homages that Mike Patrick and Orel Hershiser are giving to SC pitching (in particular, Michael Roth). Well so far NOT so good - Cats up 1-0 after two. Go Cats!!!
Posting one day, gone the next! Alas, poor Hog-vet, we hardly knew ye! hahaha.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8947 on: June 26, 2012, 07:40:46 am »

As is your tireless efforts to convince us that you're right and we're wrong ...  jeez.  Give it a rest.
Well, I am right and you are wrong. But I don't want you to admit it because you're weak, I want you to admit it because you know I am right.
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8948 on: June 26, 2012, 09:44:47 am »

Well, I am right and you are wrong. But I don't want you to admit it because you're weak, I want you to admit it because you know I am right.

Are you drunk or something?

I made that quoted post to you on the 23rd.  You responded, though not very eloquently.  Now today (26th), after someone else re-quoted my post yesterday, you respond again with some type of weak attempt at a put-down.

Trust me, friend, no one wants to read your comments the FIRST time, let alone TWICE,  several days later.   ???
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Re: Omaha '12 Thread: CWS game 4 Arkansas vs SC round 3
« Reply #8949 on: June 26, 2012, 06:07:30 pm »

Are you drunk or something?

I made that quoted post to you on the 23rd.  You responded, though not very eloquently.  Now today (26th), after someone else re-quoted my post yesterday, you respond again with some type of weak attempt at a put-down.

Trust me, friend, no one wants to read your comments the FIRST time, let alone TWICE,  several days later.   ???
When it is important, it needs to be stated twice for emphasis. Hence my 2nd reply to your post.
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