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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2006, 12:01:50 pm »

Ronnie is a lot like Matt Jones, his coaches saving grace.  Trying to play superman when all he is a GREAT player.  No he is not a superhero.  Maybe with a good coach/supporting cast he is a top 5 player in the nation.  How many times did we say MJ would have been a top 5 WR if we would have had a QB to throw it to him.  Ronnie would be the man if teams didn't get to hang on to him like a fat kid and his snickers.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2006, 12:02:28 pm »

this thread is refrickindiculous,  You really think ronnie is that bad.  Without RB we get creamed most nights.  Modica is a decent supporting cast member but thats pretty much it.  To say "ALL" of those other players had more of an impact on helping their team is a slap in the face to ronnie.  I am not saying that he is the better player than everyone on the list, I am not that short minded.  It is too hard to determine if a player like ronnie is better than a center or true point gaurd.  Those are not his position.  But to say they all had more of an impact on their team is ascinine(sp?).  Ronnie is one of the only reasons stan still has a job.  He has singlehandedly kept us in a bunch of games and even singlehandedly won some of those games.  Without Ronnie getting pissed and making that run last night we lose by 20.  I cannot believe that all of YOU fans would turn on him after missing a pisspoor final shot that would have won the game.  W/O him we weren't in that position to make it a game.

Just for clarification, I never turned on Ronnie, I have always thought he was overhyped.  I believe all of the players had a hand in helping their teams make it to the big dance, Ronnie has not.  Most of the players could make clutch plays when they needed to, Ronnie has not. 
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2006, 12:04:11 pm »

First of all, there have been many a great college player taken in the lottery who did not amount to anything at all.  I, myself, find it hard to believe that Ronnie is worthy of a lottery pick.  I look at him, and I cannot see anything that he offers an NBA team.  He is an average streak shooter at best.   He cannot guard, and his helpside defense is terrible.  Now, he can sit at the top of a zone and steal the ball, and he is pretty good about putting it on the floor, but if anyone with any size is guarding him, he has a lot of trouble finishing.  Things can change when you can devout all your time to your development as a player.  Joe Johnson is way better than anyone ever thought he would be.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2006, 12:04:25 pm »

six points in ten seconds to start the run wasn't clutch?  You are right all of those players did help their team make it to the dance.  The key word is helped.  All of those players had other players from that list on their team.  Ronnies by himself.  Hmmmm?
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2006, 12:07:23 pm »

six points in ten seconds to start the run wasn't clutch?  You are right all of those players did help their team make it to the dance.  The key word is helped.  All of those players had other players from that list on their team.  Ronnies by himself.  Hmmmm?

Ronnie has what may end up being the greatest collection of frontcourt players together at Arkansas at one time.  And Modica, as bad as he was last year, is no slouch scoring.  The big difference to me is a shooter, yes all those teams had one, and we do to, but we can't set him up like the teams of the past set theirs up.  To me, finishing the game is in the clutch, not starting a run with 6 pts. 
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2006, 12:07:54 pm »

It is rather hard, unless you are Michael Jordan, to bring the ball down and attempt to score a winning bucket with your teammates standing around watching instead of attempting to set a screen or act like a teammate. Ronnie isn't great one on one and he could've used some help at the end of the game. Personally, the way Modica has been going lately, I would've run a play for him to shoot it.
For the record.....last night when Ronnie took that last shot, McCurdy was open on the right wing for 3.  He threw a hand in the air,  and Brewer saw him....but decided to take the shot he took.  I'm not busting on Brewer, but all his teammates were not just standing around.  I'd take McCurdy's chances with an open 3 over Brewer's on the shot he ended up taking.  Gotta have faith in your teammates.
i would have taken my chances that mccurdy could have made at least 1 of 2 free throws too.  i would have, and did, lose
I'd still take my chances with McCurdy on the line.  Two missed free throws doesn't make him a bad free throw shooter.  I'd bet that when all is said and done, his 4 year free throw percentage will be MUCH higher than anyone else currently on this team.  You want in on that?
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2006, 12:12:12 pm »

i defy you to name 10 players who have had a bigger impact on their razorback team than ronnie brewer.  without ronnie this year, we would have lost at LEAST 5 more games.  he does so much for us offensively and defensively it is unbelievable.  i am not saying he is the best player in the country, just that he is a great COLLEGE player.  i, also, would not trade any of those team's best player for ronnie with the exception of reddick

In no order...

Sid Moncrief
Marvin Delph
Ron Brewer
Scott Hastings
Joe Kleine
Corliss Williamson
Cory Beck
Scotty Thurman( not even a good defensive player)
Alex Dillard ( not even a good defensive player)
Pat Bradley(dude could hit the 3 consistently)
Lee Mayberry

OOPS, that was 11...
Anybody could argue these players had more impact on their respective teams...... 
for you to sit here and say that al dillard had more of an impact on his team than ronnie brewer is the funniest thing i have EVER heard in my life!  that, hands down, is the worst post in the history of this board!  sidney, yes.  corliss, probably.  ron sr., maybe. kleine?  alot of these players have one thing in common, they had great teammates.  i cant believe i am responding to a guy that thinks that al dillard had a major impact on his team!
Corliss Probably???? Are you MAD? There has never been anybody  that was more money in the paint, PERIOD! Certainly not at Arkansas.  That guy had the biggest impact on Arkansas Basketball ever, much less his respective team. Your right about those guys having great teammates too, but that slight on Corliss. Well I just can't let that pass.
PS Al Dillard was fun to watch but was an impact player on OFFENSE only, not to be mentioned with these other Hog luminaries.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2006, 12:12:30 pm »

First off let me say that Ronnie Brewer is an above average talent on a below average team, there is no way in hell he goes as a lottery pick!, he needs too much work, those guys in the NBA will eat his lunch. Jr. is not even as good as his father, let me tell you boothead would've took Jr's ass to school! He is the best player on a mediocre team but nowhere near the best to ever don a Hog BB uniform. I do hate to think of what kind of record we would have without him. One last thing, he's a BALL HOG!
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2006, 12:20:27 pm »



uhh, the kid made 3 pointers from the Snout and Tail.......  Nobody on this current team can shoot like him... Pleeeeaaase!
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"The kid" couldn't do things on defense and offense that brewer can do. I am sorry but clearly Brewer is bigger to this team than Al was to his.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2006, 12:23:37 pm »

wow razor, im gonna have to join you on your side with this one.  What a switch from last nite
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2006, 12:25:21 pm »


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wow razor, im gonna have to join you on your side with this one.  What a switch from last nite
Hey, bro sorry about yesterday. Im cool if your cool?
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2006, 12:27:22 pm »

Im cool.  I lost my cool yesterday.  Im glad we aren't enemies.  It is easy to lose control when my beloved hogs are strugling in all the sports.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2006, 12:27:53 pm »

plus one for you razor.  way to forgive and forget
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2006, 12:28:28 pm »

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plus one for you razor.  way to forgive and forget
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2006, 12:28:31 pm »

at least we are both passionate about the piggies
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2006, 12:33:57 pm »

at least we are both passionate about the piggies
And, apparently, each other!  ;)
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2006, 12:34:01 pm »


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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2006, 01:46:03 pm »

First off let me say that Ronnie Brewer is an above average talent on a below average team, there is no way in hell he goes as a lottery pick!, he needs too much work, those guys in the NBA will eat his lunch. Jr. is not even as good as his father, let me tell you boothead would've took Jr's ass to school! He is the best player on a mediocre team but nowhere near the best to ever don a Hog BB uniform. I do hate to think of what kind of record we would have without him. One last thing, he's a BALL HOG!

maybe you need to start consulting the nba gurus since you know talent when you see it

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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2006, 02:08:23 pm »

So if you are putting together an all-time Razorback team, you sit any of these players in favor of ronnie?  Your nuttz if you do, and you don't win near as many games.  You need to accept the fact that Ronnie is average.  There are plenty of players that can do what Ronnie does AND can hit clutch shots on a consistent basis.  You tell me one clutch shot that he has hit?  Just one. 

OH, and if you take out Al Dillard, you just move JJ up one spot and there are still 10 better, more important to their team than Ron Jr. 

Junior season for Fayetteville High School playing at rival Springdale...down by 1..has ball with less than 10 seconds, shoots from free throw line, ball gets hit as he's going up, gets control again and gets the shot off..at the buzzer is good..Fayetteville wins...

There's one
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2006, 02:12:22 pm »

Come on guys, Brewer is a great player and anyone would be lucky to have him. Everyone is just pissed off because we got beat, including me. Don't start getting on Brewer's case because of a heartbreaking loss. However, I definitely think he need to stick around for his Senior year, and I think he will. He's not ready for the NBA.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2006, 02:21:02 pm »

i defy you to name 10 players who have had a bigger impact on their razorback team than ronnie brewer.  without ronnie this year, we would have lost at LEAST 5 more games.  he does so much for us offensively and defensively it is unbelievable.  i am not saying he is the best player in the country, just that he is a great COLLEGE player.  i, also, would not trade any of those team's best player for ronnie with the exception of reddick

Joe Johnson did more for his team than Ronnie is doing for this one.  Joe had virtually no inside presence to throw it to.  He had to create his own shot.  Brewer is a very good player and I am thankful we have him, but if I could trade him for Joe, I would.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2006, 02:24:06 pm »

Nothing was wrong with that list given of players who were better than Brewer.  If Al Dillard chaps your hide, take him out and insert Darrell Walker and Alvin Robertson.  Those two guys carried Eddie's teams of the early to mid 80s.  Both could flat out play defense, with Alvin being one of the best all time defensive players ever, anywhere.  His multiple defensive titles in the NBA prove that.  Walker was way more clutch that Ronnie and could do it all.

There is nothing wrong with Ronnie except that he doesn't play hard all the time.  He doesn't give the effort required to consistently be a good defensive player.  He may get you two steals in a row, but then his man will get by him and break your back, or Ronnie will fail to help out as someone gets an open dunk.  He is not a great offensive player.  He can't shoot and his moves are limited.  He is a very good player but he is not a bonifide star on the same terms as a lot of the guys mentioned in this thread.

We are lucky to have Ronnie but he is not one of the best all time Razorbacks and it is only our current mess that makes him out to be a star.  He wouldn't even have started for the 94 team or the Day, Mayberry, and Miller teams.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2006, 02:26:01 pm »

this thread is refrickindiculous,  You really think ronnie is that bad.  Without RB we get creamed most nights.  Modica is a decent supporting cast member but thats pretty much it.  To say "ALL" of those other players had more of an impact on helping their team is a slap in the face to ronnie.  I am not saying that he is the better player than everyone on the list, I am not that short minded.  It is too hard to determine if a player like ronnie is better than a center or true point gaurd.  Those are not his position.  But to say they all had more of an impact on their team is ascinine(sp?).  Ronnie is one of the only reasons stan still has a job.  He has singlehandedly kept us in a bunch of games and even singlehandedly won some of those games.  Without Ronnie getting pissed and making that run last night we lose by 20.  I cannot believe that all of YOU fans would turn on him after missing a pisspoor final shot that would have won the game.  W/O him we weren't in that position to make it a game.

I think the original purpose of the thread has been lost on you.  Dontell sucks, play McCurdy, Big 10 basketball, Mike Anderson...
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2006, 02:30:43 pm »

Nothing was wrong with that list given of players who were better than Brewer.  If Al Dillard chaps your hide, take him out and insert Darrell Walker and Alvin Robertson.  Those two guys carried Eddie's teams of the early to mid 80s.  Both could flat out play defense, with Alvin being one of the best all time defensive players ever, anywhere.  His multiple defensive titles in the NBA prove that.  Walker was way more clutch that Ronnie and could do it all.

There is nothing wrong with Ronnie except that he doesn't play hard all the time.  He doesn't give the effort required to consistently be a good defensive player.  He may get you two steals in a row, but then his man will get by him and break your back, or Ronnie will fail to help out as someone gets an open dunk.  He is not a great offensive player.  He can't shoot and his moves are limited.  He is a very good player but he is not a bonifide star on the same terms as a lot of the guys mentioned in this thread.

We are lucky to have Ronnie but he is not one of the best all time Razorbacks and it is only our current mess that makes him out to be a star.  He wouldn't even have started for the 94 team or the Day, Mayberry, and Miller teams.

Gee, I should smite myself for forgetting those 2.... Damn!

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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2006, 02:36:57 pm »

Ronnie Brewer Has no idea how to take control of a game in those situations down by one you go for a two or try to get fouled not a stupid three pointer like he has done time after time this year... He is a great player but he is not smart and not brave enough to make the team his.. If this is the case he needs to back down and let Modica become the man again.. He proved strong enough to lead his sophmore year. JKELLY107 need not respond to this he doesnt know basketball.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2006, 03:21:05 pm »

a) if it wasn't for Brewer's jumpstarting our scoring, we don't get back in that game
b) if it wasn't for Brewer's defensive pressure, we don't force turnovers (at least not as many) to get back in that game
c) after Mitchell's 3-pt basket, McCurdy stood under the goal shaking his head.  It was Brewer to yelled something to get McCurdy's head in the game and inbound the ball.  Under those circumstances, coupled with the fact that McCurdy had just missed those FTs, I totally understand why Brewer didn't dish the ball to McCurdy in the final seconds.

With that said, I was screaming at my TV last night for Brewer to throw the ball to a wide-open McCurdy.  I would have loved to have seen McCurdy drain a three, and quickly go from goat to hero.  In retrospect, though, not passing the ball to him was logical enough of a thing to me.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2006, 11:13:00 am »

Check back with me right before the NBA draft, when the international players are added, you can bet Ronnie will not remain a lottery pick. He can't even take over a college BB game and some of you guys think he's one of the best Hog players ever?, please, just how old are some of you? There's been at least 10-12 players that would run Brewer off the floor and one of them is his father.
First off let me say that Ronnie Brewer is an above average talent on a below average team, there is no way in hell he goes as a lottery pick!, he needs too much work, those guys in the NBA will eat his lunch. Jr. is not even as good as his father, let me tell you boothead would've took Jr's ass to school! He is the best player on a mediocre team but nowhere near the best to ever don a Hog BB uniform. I do hate to think of what kind of record we would have without him. One last thing, he's a BALL HOG!

maybe you need to start consulting the nba gurus since you know talent when you see it

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/index
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2006, 11:26:19 am »

You lost me big-time on Al Dillard.  Seriously, of all the great b-ball players we've had at the UofA you couldn't come up with a better player than Al Dillard.  For starters, Alvin Robertson should be #2 on your list.  He was only a 4-time NBA all-star and two time defensive MVP.

And Brewer is better than most of the players on your list were by their sophomore year.
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2006, 11:29:10 am »

brewer is a junior though.  I agree I'm just messing with you
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Re: Just how bad is Ronnie Brewer that
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2006, 11:33:35 am »

I don't know if RB is better or worse than those players, but one thing is for sure he is our STAR and we need to stand behind him.  Bitching and moaning about coaches, OK I'm in.  Lets leave RB alone, because just think if we didn't have him and his 19 plus points, 3 stls, couple assists, few rebounds a game, we would be HORRIBLE.  WPS and go RB
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