Bigfoot

[Ex-Trumpet]

Well, you are right, I could be wrong, I don't know for sure what happened in any of these instances.  Just going by lack of real evidence, which always seems to be the case.  Hard to take anybody serious that goes around "knocking" on trees for answers.  Who dreamed that up?  Has anybody ever seen a Squatch beating on a tree with a stick?

Nobody has really come up with any solid evidence in any of these encounters.  Only thing we have ever seen, is some fuzzy film on something that cannot really be identified (or proven false) ....or footprints & casts that could have been faked. Sure, I was not there during this "encounter"....if there really was an encounter, that's the real question. Never seems to be any real proof... & when evidence is submitted...it turns out to be false, or inconclusive.  Why didn't this guy try & find the rock that he said hit 10ft. from him, & take it in for DNA?  Even if there were 2 dozen or more rocks in that area, believe I would have picked them all up, & taken them to be tested.  He could probably tell from the sound of the rock hitting that close, if it was big or small.

If these creatures do exist , somebody would have shot, hit with a vehicle, had clear pictures, etc., by now.  Never any real proof, only tons of encounters & stories all over the country for 100 years.

Granted, I'd be willing to be 99% of all reported "encounters" are probably hoaxed or misidentification; it's the other 1% that can't be explained that makes me wonder...

If they do exist, DNA may prove to be so much like humans that we simply can't distinguish in a lab if it is in fact a human or bigfoot...time will tell, I guess!

[DirtTrackFan]

I don't think ' misidentification ' % is that high, all those sightings can't be bears running on hind legs.

[Ex-Trumpet]

I don't think ' misidentification ' % is that high, all those sightings can't be bears running on hind legs.

I included mis-ID and hoax in the percentage--which would include bears, people, people dressed up like King Kong, rednecks from Alabama, etc.

May not be 99%, but I bet it's high...most could be explained away with some further investigation I would presume.

[DirtTrackFan]

'Big & Hairy' active around Fouke still :
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=36498

[lumphog]

Now they do admit some are here. But they aren't sure if there are any breeding here.

http://www.katv.com/story/24068636/game-and-fish-says-mountain-lions-are-in-arkansas-but-arent-breeding

I've bred many cougars in Arkansas

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

You'd have to ask AGFC. They say they have no proof breeding is happening here. I guess they need to see trail cam photos of some cougar kittens or something.

Yeah, the proof of breeding is a little puzzling. If the AGFC got some pictures of cougar kittens, they would probably claim the kittens came from Okla, or Missouri, & were just passing thru with momma.  They need some kind of hard evidence. Have to catch a pair in the sex act.  That may not work either.  They could claim it was one of those slutty lioness's from Missouri, just down the weekend for a good time.  Guess what it will take, is for the G&F to find some fresh lion condoms in a ditch on some back road....

[ARoutdoorsman]

Yeah, the proof of breeding is a little puzzling. If the AGFC got some pictures of cougar kittens, they would probably claim the kittens came from Okla, or Missouri, & were just passing thru with momma.  They need some kind of hard evidence. Have to catch a pair in the sex act.  That may not work either.  They could claim it was one of those slutty lioness's from Missouri, just down the weekend for a good time.  Guess what it will take, is for the G&F to find some fresh lion condoms in a ditch on some back road....

If AGFC recognized a breeding population, they would have to put money toward managing that said population. That money would be taken from deer and turkey management and so would man hours. There is your number one reason why cougars don't get it on in Arkansas.

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

        If AGFC recognized a breeding population, they would have to put money toward managing that said population. That money would be taken from deer and turkey management and so would man hours. There is your number one reason why cougars don't get it on in Arkansas.

Yep, agree.  Took the AGFC years to admit there were cougars in the state, guess it will take years again, to admit they are breeding inside the state.  They are already spending time investigating sightings of cougars, whether they are breeding or not.  Now that they have finally admitted they exist, managing a population that is so very small,  should not be a big money grabber.  There is no season on them, & claim no evidence of them breeding.  Not a whole lot to manage. If the population does grows larger & more reports of sightings come in, the G&F will have to do more on the cougar situation anyway....& it will be apparent they are breeding.

[Ex-Trumpet]

Yeah, the proof of breeding is a little puzzling. If the AGFC got some pictures of cougar kittens, they would probably claim the kittens came from Okla, or Missouri, & were just passing thru with momma.  They need some kind of hard evidence. Have to catch a pair in the sex act.  That may not work either.  They could claim it was one of those slutty lioness's from Missouri, just down the weekend for a good time.  Guess what it will take, is for the G&F to find some fresh lion condoms in a ditch on some back road....

Kitty porn?

[DirtTrackFan]

I've bred many cougars in Arkansas

Good on ya' i would have thought another Cougar would be used for that..........

[DirtTrackFan]

Yep, agree.  Took the AGFC years to admit there were cougars in the state, guess it will take years again, to admit they are breeding inside the state.  They are already spending time investigating sightings of cougars, whether they are breeding or not.  Now that they have finally admitted they exist, managing a population that is so very small,  should not be a big money grabber.  There is no season on them, & claim no evidence of them breeding.  Not a whole lot to manage. If the population does grows larger & more reports of sightings come in, the G&F will have to do more on the cougar situation anyway....& it will be apparent they are breeding.

I liked it when AG&F said there are no cougars here but " if you are attacked by a Mtn. Lion you can kill it in self defense and not be prosecuted "

[Eddie Goodson]

I liked it when AG&F said there are no cougars here but " if you are attacked by a Mtn. Lion you can kill it in self defense and not be prosecuted "

One would think you would have a strong case in court to beat it if they tried.

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

I liked it when AG&F said there are no cougars here but " if you are attacked by a Mtn. Lion you can kill it in self defense and not be prosecuted "

Yeah, they were saying some things that weren't making much sense...that was one of them. 

Guess it's ok to shoot Hippos & African Lions too, if we are attacked by them on our deer stand, or around the house.  They are not here either.....& comforting to know we won't be prosecuted.

[DirtTrackFan]

Talked to a cowgirl down at Norman who trail rides a lot and she said recently she had a Mtn. Lion stalk her all the way home one night

[Pudgepork]

Talked to a cowgirl down at Norman who trail rides a lot and she said recently she had a Mtn. Lion stalk her all the way home one night

if she was built like a texas longhorn cheerleader and wearin chaps, who could blame him?

[Oklahawg]

Gotta admit...I've bred in Branson.

With a cougar!?!?!

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

Talked to a cowgirl down at Norman who trail rides a lot and she said recently she had a Mtn. Lion stalk her all the way home one night

How did she know it was a lion?  You mentioned it was at night...probably have to be fairly close for her to see it.  If it was a lion that close,  imagine the horse would know ....& would have made some record time down that trail without much coaxing....

If this story is true....I would certainly pick a new trail, ride during daylight, armed & not alone.

[pigture perfect]

You sure it wasn't Dan Skipper in a Gorilla suit?

[majestic]

http://cryptozoologynews.com/dwarf-bigfoot-predators-cloaking-ability-caught-camera/

Now we know why no proof exists. Cloaking ability!

[DeWayne R]

Rerun of the Russian Yetti show on Discovery just now.
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Rerun of the Russian Yetti show on Discovery just now.

I have a Yeti in the back of my truck. Now we have a couple woolly mammoth's at work... Well around deer season that is. lol

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

You sure it wasn't Dan Skipper in a Gorilla suit?

Nope, the film I saw wasn't Dan Skipper.  Fuzzy film showed some large creature throwing a big boulder half the size of a car, down a ravine.  It had to use both hands... couldn't have been Skipper...

[Jerrajo]

I saw a Monsterquest episode some years ago where they were investigating a cabin up around Canada and the upper Northwest if I recall properly. Anyway a creature was breaking into the cabin and they initially thought it was a bear. They had a nail board by the front door and something stepped on it. And they had it analyzed for DNA and also while they were up there they had something throwing rocks from the woods at the cabin and caught it on video.

Anyway when the DNA evidence came back it was "not a known animal" Now I"m not sure about the rest but if I recall properly they also said its likely a primate of some sort.

I wouldnt bet my life on that last part. Having said that though that was the most convincing proof of bigfoot that I have ever seen. Grew up in the woods here. Never saw a thing.  :razorback:

[law73]

The Monsterquest episodes you're talking about (Sasquatch Attack I & II) are interesting to me also.  The scientist at the end says, "I got primate DNA" from that nailboard.  Humans are also primates but not ignorant enough to step on a nailboard.

[Jerrajo]

So I was right primate dna.. Wasnt that interesting to say the least ? I'm not convinced there isn't a big foot. Gigantapithicus is a known creature who is to say that this bigfoot isn't some sort of descendent ? Like I said I spent my life in the woods and I've never seen a thing. Even as a kid I would build lean twos or however you call it in the woods and camp .. My dad was a bad drunk so I was either hunting , fishing , camping or playing sports. I was never afraid to be in the woods alone , even then.

But I think a part of me wants to believe in such a thing. Cuz its just cool to think about finding a new unknown animal. Who knows though. That finding bigfoot show is the joke everyone says it is.... They do everything they can to scare off every bit of wildlife in sight. How in the hell do you attract a creature that if is out there clearly avoids people by making as much noise as possible ? Idiots.

I really hope some day they find the ancestor of gigantipithicus...

[Ex-Trumpet]

So I was right primate dna.. Wasnt that interesting to say the least ? I'm not convinced there isn't a big foot. Gigantapithicus is a known creature who is to say that this bigfoot isn't some sort of descendent ? Like I said I spent my life in the woods and I've never seen a thing. Even as a kid I would build lean twos or however you call it in the woods and camp .. My dad was a bad drunk so I was either hunting , fishing , camping or playing sports. I was never afraid to be in the woods alone , even then.

But I think a part of me wants to believe in such a thing. Cuz its just cool to think about finding a new unknown animal. Who knows though. That finding bigfoot show is the joke everyone says it is.... They do everything they can to scare off every bit of wildlife in sight. How in the hell do you attract a creature that if is out there clearly avoids people by making as much noise as possible ? Idiots.

I really hope some day they find the ancestor of gigantipithicus...

Finding the ancestor of gigantopithicus might be harder than finding bigfoot!

[Jerrajo]

Ha ha trumpet.. Ok I guess i'm wrong to assume that bigfoot is the ancestor of gigantipithicus.. But doesnt it make sense ? Despite what a lot of people think it really wasnt adam and eve. There have been a number of bi-pedal races of which homosapien is only one. There was neanderthal and several others. So why not a bigfoot ?

[Ex-Trumpet]

Ha ha trumpet.. Ok I guess i'm wrong to assume that bigfoot is the ancestor of gigantipithicus.. But doesnt it make sense ? Despite what a lot of people think it really wasnt adam and eve. There have been a number of bi-pedal races of which homosapien is only one. There was neanderthal and several others. So why not a bigfoot ?

Pretty sure giganto would be the alleged ancestor...just sayin!

[Jerrajo]

Ok if giganto is the ancestor of bigfoot then it would seem as though there is a strong possibility for such a thing to exist.. I'd love to get out in the North West and hunt one down. Doing my best Elmer J Fudd. Kill the bigfoot kill the bigfoot...  :razorback:

[David†]

Descendant

[BENTON PIGGEE]

I deeply ragret posting in this thread.

[Albert Einswine]

I deeply ragret posting in this thread.

Do you think it will evolve into regret at some point?

[BENTON PIGGEE]

Do you think it will evolve into regret at some point?

NOPE!

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[Albert Einswine]

NOPE!

Allsome!

[Jerrajo]

Come on its a really cool thread. I think the Patterson film is fake. He clearly had motive. He was working on a bigfoot film and thats the most damaging fact.

Having said that there was already a legend of such a creature , which is why he was working on the film in the first place. The bigfoot thing isn't new. Indians claimed to have seen some type of bigfoot creature as have many credible witnesses even to our time.

So I enjoy the discussion. But if I"m in the woods and I see this thing its going down.

[DirtTrackFan]

if she was built like a texas longhorn cheerleader and wearin chaps, who could blame him?

She got 'G' cups, ...........i mean not that i ever noticed

[DirtTrackFan]

I saw a Monsterquest episode some years ago where they were investigating a cabin up around Canada and the upper Northwest if I recall properly. Anyway a creature was breaking into the cabin and they initially thought it was a bear. They had a nail board by the front door and something stepped on it. And they had it analyzed for DNA and also while they were up there they had something throwing rocks from the woods at the cabin and caught it on video.

Anyway when the DNA evidence came back it was "not a known animal" Now I"m not sure about the rest but if I recall properly they also said its likely a primate of some sort.

I wouldnt bet my life on that last part. Having said that though that was the most convincing proof of bigfoot that I have ever seen. Grew up in the woods here. Never saw a thing.  :razorback:

Dr. Jeff Meldrum was one of the investigators on  that show, Idaho St. Univ. i believe

[DirtTrackFan]

So I was right primate dna.. Wasnt that interesting to say the least ? I'm not convinced there isn't a big foot. Gigantapithicus is a known creature who is to say that this bigfoot isn't some sort of descendent ? Like I said I spent my life in the woods and I've never seen a thing. Even as a kid I would build lean twos or however you call it in the woods and camp .. My dad was a bad drunk so I was either hunting , fishing , camping or playing sports. I was never afraid to be in the woods alone , even then.

But I think a part of me wants to believe in such a thing. Cuz its just cool to think about finding a new unknown animal. Who knows though. That finding bigfoot show is the joke everyone says it is.... They do everything they can to scare off every bit of wildlife in sight. How in the hell do you attract a creature that if is out there clearly avoids people by making as much noise as possible ? Idiots.

I really hope some day they find the ancestor of gigantipithicus...

Its fun to think about, would be very cool it they are out there.  Like you i lean toward it being some kin to Giganto'.  An researcher friend of mine thinks them to be a remnant of ferral humans.

[DirtTrackFan]

Come on its a really cool thread. I think the Patterson film is fake. He clearly had motive. He was working on a bigfoot film and thats the most damaging fact.

Having said that there was already a legend of such a creature , which is why he was working on the film in the first place. The bigfoot thing isn't new. Indians claimed to have seen some type of bigfoot creature as have many credible witnesses even to our time.

So I enjoy the discussion. But if I"m in the woods and I see this thing its going down.

First few times i saw the P/G film i was kind of shocked, like that might be the real thing.  I hope Bigfoot is out there, would be cool, but the problem i have with the P/G film is how slow the subject in the film is.  I think all the posts i have ever read of BF encounters the creature moves very fast with huge strides.   

[hawgon]

If there is something, I lean towards it being closer to human than ape.  There are lots of candidates out there.  Homo Heidleberginsis averaged 6.5 to 7 feet tall and they recently found a bone in a cave in Russia of a type of human that would have been in that size range.  Heck, the Osage Indians were an uncommonly big race of people with males averaging around 6.5 feet tall and taller.

There are lots of fossil and historical records of humans that would be close in size to reported bigfoots, especially considering the natural exaggeration that always comes in the woods.  Further there are known historical examples of relic populations of humans living more or less secretly in remote areas.  The famous case of Ishi comes to mind and the Apaches who never surrendered and remained in the mountains of northern Mexico until the 1930s.

If you had someone or even a group of someone's with just average human intelligence, but woodcraft like nothing we've seen on earth in 10,000 years.  You would never see them unless they just absolutely screwed up or wanted to be seen.  Imagine if you had five Shawnee Indians from the 18th century in your county.  Would you see them if they didn't want to be seen?

[Jerrajo]

First few times i saw the P/G film i was kind of shocked, like that might be the real thing.  I hope Bigfoot is out there, would be cool, but the problem i have with the P/G film is how slow the subject in the film is.  I think all the posts i have ever read of BF encounters the creature moves very fast with huge strides.

Yeah not to mention his gratuitous look back and pose for the camera. Its a dead give away.

[Jerrajo]

If there is something, I lean towards it being closer to human than ape.  There are lots of candidates out there.  Homo Heidleberginsis averaged 6.5 to 7 feet tall and they recently found a bone in a cave in Russia of a type of human that would have been in that size range.  Heck, the Osage Indians were an uncommonly big race of people with males averaging around 6.5 feet tall and taller.

There are lots of fossil and historical records of humans that would be close in size to reported bigfoots, especially considering the natural exaggeration that always comes in the woods.  Further there are known historical examples of relic populations of humans living more or less secretly in remote areas.  The famous case of Ishi comes to mind and the Apaches who never surrendered and remained in the mountains of northern Mexico until the 1930s.

If you had someone or even a group of someone's with just average human intelligence, but woodcraft like nothing we've seen on earth in 10,000 years.  You would never see them unless they just absolutely screwed up or wanted to be seen.  Imagine if you had five Shawnee Indians from the 18th century in your county.  Would you see them if they didn't want to be seen?

I can see that too... Its all the reports of how hairy the thing is that gives me the impression that its more likely to be a giganto descendant. But your idea certainly has merit. I'm not sure we are even aware of all the species of bi-pedal human type creatures there has been.

[hawgon]

I can see that too... Its all the reports of how hairy the thing is that gives me the impression that its more likely to be a giganto descendant. But your idea certainly has merit. I'm not sure we are even aware of all the species of bi-pedal human type creatures there has been.

Humans are completely covered in hair, it just isn't very thick.  Wouldn't be hard to imagine a population of relic hominids who have thicker hair that we do.

[David†]

Humans are completely covered in hair, it just isn't very thick.  Wouldn't be hard to imagine a population of relic hominids who have thicker hair that we do.

Or they could just be wearing bear skin clothes....

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

Its fun to think about, would be very cool it they are out there.  Like you i lean toward it being some kin to Giganto'.  An researcher friend of mine thinks them to be a remnant of ferral humans.

Well then, should be easy to catch these things.  These "feral" humans, just need a "feral" hog trap... with a higher door. 

[Jerrajo]

It seems that bigfoot , sasquatch and yetti are all nothing more than bears. According to rescent dna hair sample on all three.

Oh well.

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

It seems that bigfoot , sasquatch and yetti are all nothing more than bears. According to rescent dna hair sample on all three.


Oh well.

Yep.  Maybe that explains why nobody has ever captured or killed a bigfoot...or got any real pic's on game camera's.  They never turn out to be credible.

Guess each time we see a bear, we can say......."There goes a would-be Bigfoot"....

[Jerrajo]

Yep.  Maybe that explains why nobody has ever captured or killed a bigfoot...or got any real pic's on game camera's.  They never turn out to be credible.

Guess each time we see a bear, we can say......."There goes a would-be Bigfoot"....

It kind of broke my heart.. I will say that they do still have that sample from the cabin in Canada. I wonder why they didn't take a sample from that for the show ? Maybe none left ? The people they took the hair samples from in America were all nuttjobs...

But the overwhelming amount of bear samples does seem to suggest something.

[Ex-Trumpet]

Personally, I think 90% or more of the sightings today are either misidentification (person, stump, bear, etc.) or a hoax.

It's the other sightings that are most interesting to me.  I'm pretty sure that Native Americans knew a bear when they saw one.

[Jerrajo]

Personally, I think 90% or more of the sightings today are either misidentification (person, stump, bear, etc.) or a hoax.

It's the other sightings that are most interesting to me.  I'm pretty sure that Native Americans knew a bear when they saw one.

Thats what I think too.. But what about all the peyote and the peace pipes ? Ya never know.

[BENTON PIGGEE]

Thats what I think too.. But what about all the peyote and the peace pipes ? Ya never know.

Maybe Bigfoot is really God(inside joke).