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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2011, 05:18:45 pm »

I suggested on this site a year ago, to much ridicule, that he wouldn't last more than a year, Texas gave him an extra year because of his past performance, but now the time has come for him to "retire."  You can bet had he gone 10-2 he would not be retiring.  The POB have had enough. I would not be surprised if Saban goes, they will pay what is necessary to restore Texas to top shelf and they don't care about buyouts, heritage, history, big names, conference affiliation or anything else. Money talks.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2011, 05:24:46 pm »

Texas is the best job in college football. I hope CBP is not on their short list.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2011, 05:34:45 pm »

Well, he probably could have named his price at Florida, USC, and possibly Michigan in the last few years.  None of those programs are too far back, if any, to Texas and his response was to ask the AD to increase his buyout to $18 million so that it would squelch ALL RUMORS of him wanting to leave and discourage ALL suitors.  So, I'm fairly confident.

Yeah, Texas could pay the buyout if it wanted, but since BP proposed the buyout and it is insanely high, I think the buyout is more indicative of his desire to stay at Arkansas no matter what than it is of a an actual price someone could pay to get him.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2011, 05:46:53 pm »

Well, he probably could have named his price at Florida, USC, and possibly Michigan in the last few years.  None of those programs are too far back, if any, to Texas and his response was to ask the AD to increase his buyout to $18 million so that it would squelch ALL RUMORS of him wanting to leave and discourage ALL suitors.  So, I'm fairly confident.

Yeah, Texas could pay the buyout if it wanted, but since BP proposed the buyout and it is insanely high, I think the buyout is more indicative of his desire to stay at Arkansas no matter what than it is of a an actual price someone could pay to get him.
imo CBP proposed the buyout to show recruits and media he was not the carpetbagger many had portrayed.... 6,7,8 million dollars pyr would be hard to turndown, though I think he would, but I would not, if in that position.  My point is Texas will pay what is necessary to get as close to a guarantee as they can.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #54 on: December 01, 2011, 05:48:32 pm »

Well, he probably could have named his price at Florida, USC, and possibly Michigan in the last few years.  None of those programs are too far back, if any, to Texas and his response was to ask the AD to increase his buyout to $18 million so that it would squelch ALL RUMORS of him wanting to leave and discourage ALL suitors.  So, I'm fairly confident.

Yeah, Texas could pay the buyout if it wanted, but since BP proposed the buyout and it is insanely high, I think the buyout is more indicative of his desire to stay at Arkansas no matter what than it is of a an actual price someone could pay to get him.

If Texas wanted him Texas could have him.  Period.  That isnt a knock on Petrino or certainly on Arkansas.  Be hard pressed to find any coach in the country who wouldnt take that job.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #55 on: December 01, 2011, 05:53:55 pm »

Florida, USC, and possibly Michigan in the last few years.  None of those programs are too far back, if any, to Texas
one other thing that I wanted to comment on Hawgon, I don't think their reputation is any less than Texas but the resources, ease of recruiting, competition and talent in the state, make Texas the best job in America for a good coach.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #56 on: December 01, 2011, 05:54:21 pm »

Bad for the rest of football. Mack is the most underachieving coach in the history of any football.




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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2011, 05:57:28 pm »

Saban to Texas would make Sooner nation pee their pants including Stoops. It needs to happen.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2011, 05:59:31 pm »

Saban to Texas would make Sooner nation pee their pants including Stoops. It needs to happen.
What if it is Stoops to Texas, what would sooner nation do then?
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2011, 06:30:13 pm »

Texas is the best job in college football. I hope CBP is not on their short list.
No he isn't.  They won't want the controversy and will not pay 18 million for it.  Even the mini-controversy at LSU makes it unlikely.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2011, 06:48:33 pm »

one other thing that I wanted to comment on Hawgon, I don't think their reputation is any less than Texas but the resources, ease of recruiting, competition and talent in the state, make Texas the best job in America for a good coach.

Except success.  Texas in it's entire history has not had a single coach as successful as two different coaches have been at Florida within the last 20 years.  Texas isn't as good or as easy of a job as some would have it to be.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #61 on: December 01, 2011, 06:53:32 pm »

I think CBP knows from personal experience that there is more to happiness than money, especially when you're already making $3.5MM give or take. The UT job is one of a handful of college jobs that is awfully similar to the pressures of a NFL gig. Why voluntarily jump back into that type of a pressure cooker?

If, and that's a HUGE "if", any of this is true, I wouldn't blame him for trying to take care of his family to the fullest extent possible, but I would be mildly surprised if he left us for UT or anything similar at this time.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2011, 06:54:25 pm »

Except success.  Texas in it's entire history has not had a single coach as successful as two different coaches have been at Florida within the last 20 years.  Texas isn't as good or as easy of a job as some would have it to be.
Notice how difficult it is to win at these "dream" jobs.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2011, 06:59:25 pm »

He said he wasn't going to leave but if he did, I wonder if Tejas would be interested in "Mack Brown light"?
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #64 on: December 01, 2011, 07:03:17 pm »

Those who have said UT is the best job in the country are absolutely correct. Any year they aren't in a bcs bowl is an underachieving year
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #65 on: December 01, 2011, 07:32:05 pm »

Mack Brown is a Legend in Texas only eclipsed by Chuck Norris; a legend of Mediocrity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I hope he stays longer than that Penn State coach and sucks twice as much!!!

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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2011, 07:33:59 pm »

According to a family member who  works for a large Microelectronics corp in Austin...whose boss is a big time Longhorn booster, if Texas had lost to A and M, Brown was gone.  He won, so he now will leave on his own because he knows they were going to get him.  This booster says Saban is first on their list and money is no object with LHN now up and runnning.  The scary part is, this same person says BP is second on the list...and the arrogance of the teasippers is they will get Saban or BP.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2011, 07:59:06 pm »

You know this might sound crazy but I have alway thought that Miles would be a good pro coach. The problem with him going is John Chavis would become the head coach, and Chavis who has built this defense!  Saban is not going anywhere, why would he?  Btw Texass is not the big bad ass it thinks she is!  Their tradition is great but she is not Bama!

Bama had not been Bama for a while before Saban got there. 
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2011, 08:02:19 pm »

I would rather play saban and texas for the nc every year than saban and bama for the sec west championship every year. Go saban. Make this a two horse division.

Bama would get someone good to replace Saban.  It would be business as usual in the SECW.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2011, 08:03:34 pm »

Bama had not been Bama for a while before Saban got there.

Very true.  If I had to give an objective list of best CFB jobs, based on variety of factors ($, resources, recruiting, history, etc) there is no doubt that Texas is #1 and Bama would probably be closer to #10.  Saban totally resurrected that program into a powerhouse.  Still be damn good if he left, but would not stay at same level. 
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2011, 08:12:34 pm »

Very true.  If I had to give an objective list of best CFB jobs, based on variety of factors ($, resources, recruiting, history, etc) there is no doubt that Texas is #1 and Bama would probably be closer to #10.  Saban totally resurrected that program into a powerhouse.  Still be damn good if he left, but would not stay at same level. 

I'd say USC #2.

According to a family member who  works for a large Microelectronics corp in Austin...whose boss is a big time Longhorn booster, if Texas had lost to A and M, Brown was gone.  He won, so he now will leave on his own because he knows they were going to get him.  This booster says Saban is first on their list and money is no object with LHN now up and runnning.  The scary part is, this same person says BP is second on the list...and the arrogance of the teasippers is they will get Saban or BP.

No doubt BP would be on the short list, but they'll get Saban if they want him.  Saban is on track to win a 2nd NC at Bama and already has a statue there, so time to move on to easier pastures and win some more NC's for an unprecedented 3rd program while maybe making an 8-figure annual salary. 

It fits Saban's SOP to a tee.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2011, 08:16:55 pm »

I'd say USC #2.

No doubt BP would be on the short list, but they'll get Saban if they want him.  Saban is on track to win a 2nd NC at Bama and already has a statue there, so time to move on to easier pastures and win some more NC's for an unprecedented 3rd program while maybe making an 8-figure annual salary. 

It fits Saban's SOP to a tee.

Agree on all.   
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2011, 08:24:12 pm »

I'd say USC #2.

No doubt BP would be on the short list, but they'll get Saban if they want him.  Saban is on track to win a 2nd NC at Bama and already has a statue there, so time to move on to easier pastures and win some more NC's for an unprecedented 3rd program while maybe making an 8-figure annual salary.  It fits Saban's SOP to a tee.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2011, 08:33:50 pm »

IF this happens, keep in mind the Longwhorn coach must be a back-slapping, networking, glad-handing good ol' boy politician. Like Mack Brown or DKR.

Can anyone picture Petrino playing that suck-up-to-the-media-and-boosters-game? Won't happen.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2011, 08:38:58 pm »

Can't imagine Saban being that coach either any more than BP.  BP would win a national championship in Texas and he would win it quickly with very little competition to get there.  Saban is winning his anyway.  My opinion, BP is the better coach given the same players.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #75 on: December 01, 2011, 08:49:53 pm »

You know this might sound crazy but I have alway thought that Miles would be a good pro coach. The problem with him going is John Chavis would become the head coach, and Chavis who has built this defense!  Saban is not going anywhere, why would he?  Btw Texass is not the big bad ass it thinks she is!  Their tradition is great but she is not Bama!

I can't see Miles as a pro coach at all. Much harder to get those guys to play for you than college kids - can you imagine what they would do if he started eating grass in front of them?

I'm guessing the media scrutiny on all of his 4th down gambles would get ratcheted up significantly as well.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #76 on: December 01, 2011, 08:50:34 pm »

One thing no one is mentioning here.  The Adminstration at Texas gets involved in the football program more than usual.  When Royal retired he wasn't allowed to pick his replacement or have very much input.  My memory was he wanted his DC to be moved up and the Admin refused and picked someone else.  I can't even remember who replaced Royal except it wasn't someone Royal wanted.  The Football coach at Texas does not have the influence one might believe.  Broyles and Royal were good friends.  Broyles was the talk of Arkansas,  Royal wasn't even the talk of Austin.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #77 on: December 01, 2011, 08:57:05 pm »

If Saban left Bama for Texas, the Big whatever would all be behind the 8 ball.  That D that OU and OSU offers up would show up just as porus as ours does.
And Bama would miss Saban too.  There aren't any Sabans out there right now.   Bama does not have a great record picking coaches.  The Saban choice followed several not quite up to par choices.  Can you imagine those B12 teams trying to dial something up against a Saban defense. 
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #78 on: December 01, 2011, 09:01:23 pm »

One thing no one is mentioning here.  The Adminstration at Texas gets involved in the football program more than usual.  When Royal retired he wasn't allowed to pick his replacement or have very much input.  My memory was he wanted his DC to be moved up and the Admin refused and picked someone else.  I can't even remember who replaced Royal except it wasn't someone Royal wanted.   The Football coach at Texas does not have the influence one might believe.  Broyles and Royal were good friends.  Broyles was the talk of Arkansas,  Royal wasn't even the talk of Austin.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2011, 09:03:42 pm »

Chip Brown of OrangeBloods.com tweeted Brown is not retiring.

(Odd this rumor started with a news/sports talk radio station in Topeka, Kan.)
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2011, 09:20:49 pm »

One thing no one is mentioning here.  The Adminstration at Texas gets involved in the football program more than usual.  When Royal retired he wasn't allowed to pick his replacement or have very much input.  My memory was he wanted his DC to be moved up and the Admin refused and picked someone else.  I can't even remember who replaced Royal except it wasn't someone Royal wanted.  The Football coach at Texas does not have the influence one might believe.  Broyles and Royal were good friends.  Broyles was the talk of Arkansas,  Royal wasn't even the talk of Austin.

I tried to make a similar point when the Saban rumor surfaced.  While I found it smart of the Texicans to covet Saban, I found it very odd that those egomaniac, rich, good'ol boy Texicans could co-exist with a personality as powerful as Saban's.  Brown has survived so long because he knows how to play politics and plays ball with the big money boosters, likely strokes their egos, and doesnt flinch at all when administration or boosters interfer.  By all accounts, Brown fit right into the culture in Austin, and the big money adored him...until lately. 

Saban is the exact opposite.  He doesn't play games or stroke egos.  He wants everybody to get out of his way, so he can run the program on his terms.  He has zero interest in being a buddy and even less interest, or tolerance, with any administration or booster interference.  That's all fine and dandy in Tuscaloosa where those crazies would sell their sisters into slavery for a championship.  But would his style work in Austin?  Would the big boy Texicans check their egos at the door, and sit back and just let Saban run the show as he sees fit?
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2011, 09:22:41 pm »

IF this happens, keep in mind the Longwhorn coach must be a back-slapping, networking, glad-handing good ol' boy politician. Like Mack Brown or DKR.

Can anyone picture Petrino playing that suck-up-to-the-media-and-boosters-game? Won't happen.

I could see Pete Carroll taking this job when it opens.
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« Reply #82 on: December 01, 2011, 09:44:07 pm »

It's a real bitch when your good quarterback graduates. Ask Urban Meyer.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #83 on: December 01, 2011, 09:59:46 pm »

Bama would get someone good to replace Saban.  It would be business as usual in the SECW.

Kinda like it was during the 25 years between the Bear and Saban? Bryant won 82% of his games, Saban has won 77%. The 7 guys in between won 62%. No matter how great the advantages, it DOES matter who the coach is. See Bama, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, Ohio St, Nebraska, OU, and, yes, texass. While it would likely help the Hogs if Saban left the SEC, I hate the whorns plenty to not want to see them get a coach of that caliber......or of BP's.



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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #84 on: December 02, 2011, 05:02:24 am »

As far as the Petrino linked to a possible/alleged TX HC opening

all yall have one thing in common...none of you know petrino's thoughts on TX

TX is way off base.  IMO, with his recruiting ties/history in FL...that was the ONE job that I thought he would leave AR for if it ever came open

(obs: Petrino agreed in principle to the largest buyout in CFB history right before FL hired Muschamp because of rumors of him to FL)
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Prediction: Mack Brown retires, Nick Saban to Texas
« Reply #85 on: December 02, 2011, 08:13:17 pm »

I bet it happens . . .
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Re: Prediction: Mack Brown retires, Nick Saban to Texas
« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2011, 08:19:22 pm »

Hope so
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Re: Prediction: Mack Brown retires, Nick Saban to Texas
« Reply #87 on: December 02, 2011, 08:20:50 pm »

Nope
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Re: Prediction: Mack Brown retires, Nick Saban to Texas
« Reply #88 on: December 02, 2011, 08:21:06 pm »

Apparently he has already sent out letters to player's families that the retirement rumors are false. 
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #89 on: December 02, 2011, 09:16:45 pm »

Why won't this rumor die?

It started from a small radio station in Kansas - not Texas - but Topeka, Kan. Would anybody believe a rumor about Bobby Petrino originating nearly 700 miles away from Fayetteville?

And there's this ...

http://tracking.si.com/2011/12/02/report-mack-brown-sends-letter-denying-retirement-rumors/
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« Reply #90 on: December 03, 2011, 12:19:26 am »

A hoot for the Nutts while also being Nutts for the longhorns 8)
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #91 on: December 03, 2011, 03:51:57 am »

If Baylor beats Texass Mack won't retire, he will get fired....
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #92 on: December 03, 2011, 06:13:08 am »

If Baylor beats Texass Mack won't retire, he will get fired....
Though wins are important down there Mack Brown is still the best recruiter around, puts 100,000+ butts in the seats, and brings in boat loads of money. He will be gone only if he falls off on the butts and money.
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Re: Mack Brown to possibly retire?
« Reply #93 on: December 03, 2011, 06:32:06 am »

Is it still called retirement if you have boot prints on your butt?
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« Reply #94 on: December 03, 2011, 06:52:54 am »

I would seriously doubt an unnamed source. However, there would be a huge shake-up in the coaching community it this did indeed happen.

There is a shakeup every year in college football.
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« Reply #95 on: December 03, 2011, 06:56:32 am »

Yes, I begrudgingly admit TX and probably USC are probably the programs best positioned to be dominant year in and year out with the right coach. 

Scholarship limits somewhat offsets that premise. There is also talk of reducing football scholarships even more. Certain areas by population numbers obviously have an advantage with ease of recruiting just based on geogrpaphy. That's why schools like us and Tenner have large recruiting budgets.
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« Reply #96 on: December 03, 2011, 07:01:56 am »

Not surprising, if true. The UT faithful are not pleased with these last two seasons.

All of this justs proves how extremely important it is having the right head coach AND assistant coaches.
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« Reply #97 on: December 03, 2011, 07:05:16 am »

Please be right about his interest or lack of same.

If we are always scared of losing our head coach to other schools then we will always underachieve.
I WANT other schools to want to hire our coach away from us. THAT means we are being successful.
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« Reply #98 on: December 03, 2011, 07:08:28 am »

Saban is worth 10 million a year.  Do you think Alabama wants a refund on the 5 or so they're giving him now?
Imagine Texas with a coach who knows what he's doing.  A coach that knows exactly who he wants to recruit.

NOBODY is worth 10 million a year in ANY job.
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« Reply #99 on: December 03, 2011, 07:11:45 am »

imo CBP proposed the buyout to show recruits and media he was not the carpetbagger many had portrayed.... 6,7,8 million dollars pyr would be hard to turndown, though I think he would, but I would not, if in that position.  My point is Texas will pay what is necessary to get as close to a guarantee as they can.

There is NO such thing as a guarantee or even close to it in college sports. There are WAY too many variables involved.
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