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Herbstreit says.....
« on: September 22, 2011, 01:15:13 pm »

Regarding Boise St. QB Kellen Moore's chances of winning the Heisman...
"it's just not realistic...and just to be frank, they don't have any relationship with ESPN..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak5U4MdzGQU

so now we know what it takes...(to state the obvious). But I can't believe he actually came out and said it.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 01:18:10 pm »

The MWC has a TV contract with the Versus channel. They won't be on ESPN and most people don't get Versus, so alot of people won't get to watch him, so they won't vote for him
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 01:20:45 pm »

Of course exposure is half the battle for the heisman.  The MWC is never on ESPN, thus no one will see him.  Not really revolutionary news.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 01:22:11 pm »

Being shown on ESPN isnít as important as being promoted by ESPN.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 01:24:21 pm »

Being shown on ESPN isn’t as important as being promoted by ESPN.

True, but aren't they more likely to promote him if they were to broadcast some games?
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 01:27:01 pm »

I thought it had to do w/ the best player in college football, not whether or not you had a relationship w/ ESPN.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 01:27:55 pm »

I thought it had to do w/ the best player in college football, not whether or not you had a relationship w/ ESPN.

Heisman has been a joke for a long time
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 01:28:58 pm »

He was a finalist last year, so several voters have obviously seen him play or at least heard of him. I realize you have to be promoted by ESPN, I was just surprised at Herbstreit's arrogant attitude while actually admitting it.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 01:29:05 pm »

Landry Jones will win the Heisman.  If I had throw away money to bet on it I would.  OU will run the table and he's already the darling of the ESPN hype-machine.  Also, he meets the required criteria for the Heisman:

Make it to the BCS title game:  Most likely a check
Be a QB for a traditional powerhouse: check
Perform on ESPN several times a year: check
Be talked about on ESPN gameday, ESPN CFB live every damn day!: check
Play for the #1 team: check

It's basically Jones' and OU's to give away.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 01:29:10 pm »

Being shown on ESPN isnít as important as being promoted by ESPN.

Agree.  They might as well add the Heisman to the Home Depot ESPN College Football Awards Show. 

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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 01:32:29 pm »

Heisman has been a joke for a long time

I agree!
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 02:02:23 pm »

I almost wish they would do away with the Heisman and just have positional awards, like the Butkus award for linebackers, etc.

That way all positions would get an equitable reward, and a fair representation of who is the BEST at their POSITION.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2011, 02:08:15 pm »

Quote
I would put Bobby Petrino up against anyne in college at drawing up ways to attack defenses. Versus Saban it will be a chess match.

Herbstreit said on Paul Finebaum's Show
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2011, 02:13:38 pm »

Heisman has been a joke for a long time

A VERY long time. It is all about hype, and which school you go to. It has been awarded to the QB of a losing team (Hornung), a basketball player at FSU (Charlie Ward), and quite a few one-hit wonders. "System" QBs and TBs, with no truly great ability, have won a bunch.

If you compile a list of the greatest NFL football players of all-time, there are practically no Heisman winners there. Yeah, I know NFL ain't college, but still......
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2011, 06:22:14 pm »

The MWC has a TV contract with the Versus channel. They won't be on ESPN and most people don't get Versus, so alot of people won't get to watch him, so they won't vote for him
I have versus and I stilll wont watch
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2011, 06:44:35 pm »

McFadden got rooked from winning the Heisman not once...but twice!!!
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2011, 06:46:30 pm »

A VERY long time. It is all about hype, and which school you go to. It has been awarded to the QB of a losing team (Hornung), a basketball player at FSU (Charlie Ward), and quite a few one-hit wonders. "System" QBs and TBs, with no truly great ability, have won a bunch.

If you compile a list of the greatest NFL football players of all-time, there are practically no Heisman winners there. Yeah, I know NFL ain't college, but still......


But you forget about Troy Smith, Danny Wuerffel, Ron Dayne, Matt Leinart, Geno Toretti, and Eric Crouch, all who had Hall of Fame NFL careers!


Actually the only one I can think of recently who has had a great career is Charles Woodson.  Ricky Williams has been so-so.  Some of the older running backs did pretty well.  Didn't Dickerson win the Heisman.

Bush and Palmer have been marginal.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2011, 07:06:46 pm »

1960    Joe Bellino    Navy    Halfback    1,793
1961    Ernie Davis*    Syracuse    Halfback/Linebacker/Fullback    824
1962    Terry Baker*    Oregon State    Quarterback    707
1963    Roger Staubach^    Navy    Quarterback    1,860
1964    John Huarte    Notre Dame    Quarterback    1,026
1965    Mike Garrett    USC    Halfback    926
1966    Steve Spurrier    Florida    Quarterback    1,679
1967    Gary Beban    UCLA    Quarterback    1,968
1968    O.J. Simpson*^    USC    Halfback    2,853
1969    Steve Owens    Oklahoma    Fullback    1,488
1970    Jim Plunkett*    Stanford    Quarterback    2,229
1971    Pat Sullivan    Auburn    Quarterback    1,597
1972    Johnny Rodgers    Nebraska    Running Back    1,310
1973    John Cappelletti    Penn State    Running Back    1,057
1974    Archie Griffin    Ohio State    Running Back    1,920
1975    Archie Griffin    Ohio State    Running Back    1,800
1976    Tony Dorsett^    Pittsburgh    Running Back    2,357
1977    Earl Campbell*^    Texas    Running Back    1,547
1978    Billy Sims*    Oklahoma    Running Back    827
1979    Charles White    USC    Running Back    1,695
1980    George Rogers*    South Carolina    Running Back    1,128
1981    Marcus Allen^    USC    Running Back    1,797
1982    Herschel Walker    Georgia    Running Back    1,926
1983    Mike Rozier    Nebraska    Running Back    1,801
1984    Doug Flutie    Boston College    Quarterback    2,240
1985    Bo Jackson*    Auburn    Running Back    1,509
1986    Vinny Testaverde*    Miami    Quarterback    2,213
1987    Tim Brown    Notre Dame    Wide Receiver    1,442
1988    Barry Sanders^    Oklahoma State    Running Back    1,878
1989    Andre Ware    Houston    Quarterback    1,073
1990    Ty Detmer    BYU    Quarterback    1,482
1991    Desmond Howard    Michigan    Wide Receiver    2,077
1992    Gino Torretta    Miami    Quarterback    1,400
1993    Charlie Ward    Florida State    Quarterback    1,743
1994    Rashaan Salaam    Colorado    Running Back    1,743
1995    Eddie George    Ohio State    Running Back    1,460
1996    Danny Wuerffel    Florida    Quarterback    1,363
1997    Charles Woodson    Michigan    Cornerback/Punt Returner    1,815
1998    Ricky Williams    Texas    Running Back    2,355
1999    Ron Dayne    Wisconsin    Running Back    2,042
2000    Chris Weinke    Florida State    Quarterback    1,628
2001    Eric Crouch    Nebraska    Quarterback    770
2002    Carson Palmer*    USC    Quarterback    1,328
2003    Jason White    Oklahoma    Quarterback    1,481
2004    Matt Leinart    USC    Quarterback    1,325
2005    (vacated)[n 1] [n 2][n 3]    (vacated)    (vacated)    
2006    Troy Smith    Ohio State    Quarterback    2,540
2007    Tim Tebow    Florida    Quarterback    1,957
2008    Sam Bradford*    Oklahoma    Quarterback    1,726
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2011, 07:07:47 pm »

There's the list of Heisman winners since 1960. It'll give you an idea who was successful in the NFL/AFL and who wasn't

EDIT- The vacated in '05 was Bush of course.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2011, 07:14:37 pm »

When Tebow won it over D-MAC for being the undisputed king of the one yard TD run I lost all faith in what that award represents.  I don't care about looking at their NFL careers, because it's a college award, and it's a diffferent game.  Problem is...they can't even pick the best college player anymore. 

I can't believe Herbstreit said that.  Of course I shouldn't be surprised, because he picked OSU to be great this year and win the Big 10 and a berth in the Rose Bowl.  His nose is brown.   
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2011, 09:44:49 pm »

When Tebow won it over D-MAC for being the undisputed king of the one yard TD run I lost all faith in what that award represents.  I don't care about looking at their NFL careers, because it's a college award, and it's a diffferent game.  Problem is...they can't even pick the best college player anymore. 

I can't believe Herbstreit said that.  Of course I shouldn't be surprised, because he picked OSU to be great this year and win the Big 10 and a berth in the Rose Bowl.  His nose is brown.   

Troy Smith won DMAC's Heinzman. DMAC had two big losses where he didn't play well the year Tebow one.

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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2011, 09:51:54 pm »

Heisman has been a joke for a long time
^^THAT...The Heisman turned into a political award many years ago. I don't even bother to watch or care who receives it.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2011, 10:24:08 pm »

1960    Joe Bellino    Navy    Halfback    1,793
1961    Ernie Davis*    Syracuse    Halfback/Linebacker/Fullback    824
1962    Terry Baker*    Oregon State    Quarterback    707
1963    Roger Staubach^    Navy    Quarterback    1,860
1964    John Huarte    Notre Dame    Quarterback    1,026
1965    Mike Garrett    USC    Halfback    926
1966    Steve Spurrier    Florida    Quarterback    1,679
1967    Gary Beban    UCLA    Quarterback    1,968
1968    O.J. Simpson*^    USC    Halfback    2,853
1969    Steve Owens    Oklahoma    Fullback    1,488
1970    Jim Plunkett*    Stanford    Quarterback    2,229
1971    Pat Sullivan    Auburn    Quarterback    1,597
1972    Johnny Rodgers    Nebraska    Running Back    1,310
1973    John Cappelletti    Penn State    Running Back    1,057
1974    Archie Griffin    Ohio State    Running Back    1,920
1975    Archie Griffin    Ohio State    Running Back    1,800
1976    Tony Dorsett^    Pittsburgh    Running Back    2,357
1977    Earl Campbell*^    Texas    Running Back    1,547
1978    Billy Sims*    Oklahoma    Running Back    827
1979    Charles White    USC    Running Back    1,695
1980    George Rogers*    South Carolina    Running Back    1,128
1981    Marcus Allen^    USC    Running Back    1,797
1982    Herschel Walker    Georgia    Running Back    1,926
1983    Mike Rozier    Nebraska    Running Back    1,801
1984    Doug Flutie    Boston College    Quarterback    2,240
1985    Bo Jackson*    Auburn    Running Back    1,509
1986    Vinny Testaverde*    Miami    Quarterback    2,213
1987    Tim Brown    Notre Dame    Wide Receiver    1,442
1988    Barry Sanders^    Oklahoma State    Running Back    1,878
1989    Andre Ware    Houston    Quarterback    1,073
1990    Ty Detmer    BYU    Quarterback    1,482
1991    Desmond Howard    Michigan    Wide Receiver    2,077
1992    Gino Torretta    Miami    Quarterback    1,400
1993    Charlie Ward    Florida State    Quarterback    1,743
1994    Rashaan Salaam    Colorado    Running Back    1,743
1995    Eddie George    Ohio State    Running Back    1,460
1996    Danny Wuerffel    Florida    Quarterback    1,363
1997    Charles Woodson    Michigan    Cornerback/Punt Returner    1,815
1998    Ricky Williams    Texas    Running Back    2,355
1999    Ron Dayne    Wisconsin    Running Back    2,042
2000    Chris Weinke    Florida State    Quarterback    1,628
2001    Eric Crouch    Nebraska    Quarterback    770
2002    Carson Palmer*    USC    Quarterback    1,328
2003    Jason White    Oklahoma    Quarterback    1,481
2004    Matt Leinart    USC    Quarterback    1,325
2005    (vacated)[n 1] [n 2][n 3]    (vacated)    (vacated)    
2006    Troy Smith    Ohio State    Quarterback    2,540
2007    Tim Tebow    Florida    Quarterback    1,957
2008    Sam Bradford*    Oklahoma    Quarterback    1,726
2009    Mark Ingram, Jr.    Alabama    Running Back    1,304
2010    Cam Newton*    Auburn    Quarterback    2,263



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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2011, 11:07:13 pm »

The voters gave the nod to Troy Smith because Darren McFadden was a sophomore and they wouldn't give it to a sophomore. The next 3 season's saw 3 straight sophomores win it...Tebow, Bradford, and Ingram. The award means almost as little to me as the Baseball HOF without Pete Rose.
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2011, 11:34:24 pm »

While Herbie is a homer for his alma mater (rightfully so) he is a student of the game. I have always thought he treads the line very well. All he was saying is that without media exposure Moore does not stand a chance. The conference he plays in is weak with minimal, inconsistent national exposure.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2011, 11:40:05 pm »

The Heisman trophy is dead to me and has been since they gave it to Tebow over McFadden. I have boycotted the Heisman since then.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2011, 11:44:23 pm »

I thought it had to do w/ the best player in college football, not whether or not you had a relationship w/ ESPN.
you thought right had to do is right, just not anymore
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2011, 05:17:03 am »

Being shown on ESPN isnít as important as being promoted by ESPN.

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2011, 08:11:53 am »

ironic that KM won the ESPN Player of the Week already??



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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2011, 08:28:58 am »

As much as we hated Phat-Phil & Tennessee Peyton Manning got the biggest screw-job in history due to their hyping of a Big10  player.....much like they were trying to do with Denard Robinson (basically Joe Adams playing QB)
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2011, 08:31:06 am »

As much as we hated Phat-Phil & Tennessee Peyton Manning got the biggest screw-job in history due to their hyping of a Big10  player.....much like they were trying to do with Denard Robinson (basically Joe Adams playing QB)

So true.  Peyton Manning got majorly hosed.
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2011, 02:20:43 pm »



2 much time on ur hands bub

It took all of 30 seconds to find then cut and paste to here.


and frankly I consider the use of "bub" in this case being a put down. That's just me.
The fact you felt a need to criticize shows that you have a lot of time on your wee hands too
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Re: Herbstreit says.....
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2011, 02:37:24 pm »

People...Tebow WON the Heisman over McFadden.  It was the year before that they gave it to Troy Smith. 

You have to remember that they said McFadden couldn't win it as a sophomore.  Had that stupid rule not existed the first time he was up for it, he'd have beaten Smith handily.  Only the next year did they change it which then gave it to the person who had the best season. 
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