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« on: July 20, 2011, 09:57:47 am »

Who knew Mt Magazine was crawling with rattlesnakes? (butterflies, yes).
Was driving after dusk not long ago and a rattler was on the loop road up there. It was about the length of one lane of road. Scared me to death and I was inside a vehicle.

Actually, I kinda knew there were rattlers up there, but the size of this one caught me offguard.

Another thing that caught me offguard was visiting a friend once in the Keo/Scott/England metroplex during spring break. It was a blustery, chilly March day and we were bank fishing a bunch of ponds around there. It seemed every step we took we would flush a snake out of the grass. I'm thinking, if this is March, I don't want to be here in the summer.
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 10:16:33 am »

Who knew Mt Magazine was crawling with rattlesnakes? (butterflies, yes).
Was driving after dusk not long ago and a rattler was on the loop road up there. It was about the length of one lane of road. Scared me to death and I was inside a vehicle.

Actually, I kinda knew there were rattlers up there, but the size of this one caught me offguard.

Another thing that caught me offguard was visiting a friend once in the Keo/Scott/England metroplex during spring break. It was a blustery, chilly March day and we were bank fishing a bunch of ponds around there. It seemed every step we took we would flush a snake out of the grass. I'm thinking, if this is March, I don't want to be here in the summer.

It was the length of the lane?  Dear sweet Jesus,  I woulda thought one the width of a road lane would be scary enough!
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Re: Snake stories here...
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 10:36:45 am »

Snakes On a Lane!  I scare! :o
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2011, 10:48:56 am »

Who knew Mt Magazine was crawling with rattlesnakes? (butterflies, yes).
Was driving after dusk not long ago and a rattler was on the loop road up there. It was about the length of one lane of road. Scared me to death and I was inside a vehicle.

Actually, I kinda knew there were rattlers up there, but the size of this one caught me offguard.

Another thing that caught me offguard was visiting a friend once in the Keo/Scott/England metroplex during spring break. It was a blustery, chilly March day and we were bank fishing a bunch of ponds around there. It seemed every step we took we would flush a snake out of the grass. I'm thinking, if this is March, I don't want to be here in the summer.

Have to admit, if I was driving and I saw that laying accross the road, it probably would no longer be a threat.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2011, 12:31:00 pm »

Have to admit, if I was driving and I saw that laying accross the road, it probably would no longer be a threat.
Thump thump.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2011, 02:25:40 pm »

It was the length of the lane?  Dear sweet Jesus,  I woulda thought one the width of a road lane would be scary enough!

Width of one road lane, yes. That's plenty big enough.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 02:29:13 pm »

Who knew Mt Magazine was crawling with rattlesnakes? (butterflies, yes).
Was driving after dusk not long ago and a rattler was on the loop road up there. It was about the length of one lane of road. Scared me to death and I was inside a vehicle.

Actually, I kinda knew there were rattlers up there, but the size of this one caught me offguard.

Another thing that caught me offguard was visiting a friend once in the Keo/Scott/England metroplex during spring break. It was a blustery, chilly March day and we were bank fishing a bunch of ponds around there. It seemed every step we took we would flush a snake out of the grass. I'm thinking, if this is March, I don't want to be here in the summer.

I've seen some rattlers around here that were eating up the biggest part of the width of one lane.

They claim timber rattlers don't get that big, but these were long snakes.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2011, 08:37:53 pm »

have seen tons of rattler snakes on mt magazine...late in evening when its cool early spring late fall they will be laying out middle of highway warming up an down mt magazine. i live right at the bottom of the mtn.
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 10:59:34 am »

I saw a water moccasin one time while duck hunting in December. It was between 30-40 degrees. We were in the boat going back  to the truck. There  he was on a low hanging branch, just over the water. Dangdest thing I ever seen involving a snake.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 05:19:07 pm »

I saw a water moccasin one time while duck hunting in December. It was between 30-40 degrees. We were in the boat going back  to the truck. There  he was on a low hanging branch, just over the water. Dangdest thing I ever seen involving a snake.

Have to admit again, this one probably also would no longer be a threat.

What gets me antsy is when I'm duck hunting in water I know is holding gators.  I just try and block it out.
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Re: Snake stories here...
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2011, 08:56:11 am »

A few of my pics.




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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2011, 09:34:17 pm »

I used to duck hunt some land that had backwater off of Millwood Lake. It was an old slough. One year the weekend after duck season closed, one of the guys I hunted with was in there and saw a gator laying up on the little island where we would sit sometimes when we were hunting. Freaked me out a little.
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2011, 09:50:59 pm »

I was Bow Hunting in middle October a few years ago. It was about 55-60 degrees when I went to my stand for the afternoon. A cold front moved through and the temp dropped below 30 by nightfall. On the way out, I had my pen light on the path in front of me and almost stepped on a copperhead. Upon investigation, that dude was so cold it was barely moving. I took him back to my truck and threw him in the back. When I got him home, I put him in a jar of alcohol and preserved him. He was about 2 feet long.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2011, 09:53:59 am »

I was bowhunting a few years ago in October. My loc-on was in a big pin-oak tree. It was early in the afternoon so I took my binoculars out and was looking at the limbs above me at the acorns. I spotted a green snake about 15 feet above me on a limb. I was about 17 feet up so he was 30 feet or so above the ground. I found it odd that he was that high up.

Side note. I was in the same tree another time and heard something above me. A young coon had decided to den up in my tree and wanted to come down. We were both real nervous as he made his way down the backside of the tree.
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Re: Snake stories here...
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2011, 12:22:57 pm »

A few of my pics.






Nice pictures! I have to admit I don't even see a snake in the second picture.
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2011, 03:49:15 pm »

i'm from ne arkansas and you haven't seen snakes till you drive the roads with ditches around the rice fields. for fun we used to take a cooler beer and our 22's and shoot snakes all day, you could kill 100 go back the next day and kill a 100 more. 5 to 10 in a tree like the ones above.
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2011, 04:23:00 pm »

i'm from ne arkansas and you haven't seen snakes till you drive the roads with ditches around the rice fields. for fun we used to take a cooler beer and our 22's and shoot snakes all day, you could kill 100 go back the next day and kill a 100 more. 5 to 10 in a tree like the ones above.
reminds me of a few years back when it flooded and then froze.  Every Armadillo and Nutria around was squatting on the levees...
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2011, 06:30:06 pm »

i'm from ne arkansas and you haven't seen snakes till you drive the roads with ditches around the rice fields. for fun we used to take a cooler beer and our 22's and shoot snakes all day, you could kill 100 go back the next day and kill a 100 more. 5 to 10 in a tree like the ones above.
Wapanaka --- early spring was exactly like you just described. We went into one are that I swear I counted 100 in a 50 yard by 50 yard space. Gave me the willies so we left.
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2011, 12:53:52 am »

i'm from ne arkansas and you haven't seen snakes till you drive the roads with ditches around the rice fields. for fun we used to take a cooler beer and our 22's and shoot snakes all day, you could kill 100 go back the next day and kill a 100 more. 5 to 10 in a tree like the ones above.

Yes, years ago in southeast ark, we would do the same thing.  Drive around the roads with ditches......if there was a small bridge over one of the sloughs that area was usually loaded with snakes.  Nobody said anything back then about shooting from the roads, you would probably get arrested for doing it now.

One night a buddy & I went frog gigging on a minnow farm pond in that area.  I had a .22 pistol & shot about a box of shells or more, at snakes in a pretty short time.  We would shine the lights on the water, & the light would pick up sometimes 6 or more at a time.....didn't see many frogs.  Snakes had evidently eaten everything that moved.  We decided it was time to get off that place..... more snakes than I had ammo, & we were getting a little nervous.
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2011, 09:37:23 am »

Yes, years ago in southeast ark, we would do the same thing.  Drive around the roads with ditches......if there was a small bridge over one of the sloughs that area was usually loaded with snakes.  Nobody said anything back then about shooting from the roads, you would probably get arrested for doing it now.

One night a buddy & I went frog gigging on a minnow farm pond in that area.  I had a .22 pistol & shot about a box of shells or more, at snakes in a pretty short time.  We would shine the lights on the water, & the light would pick up sometimes 6 or more at a time.....didn't see many frogs.  Snakes had evidently eaten everything that moved.  We decided it was time to get off that place..... more snakes than I had ammo, & we were getting a little nervous.

This sounds like the kind of hunting I would enjoy.
I would never just shoot snakes, they're part of the environment and play a role. But I wouldn't have many qualms about shooting moccasins. Those things can be aggressive and mean. Sure, they play a role too, but I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2011, 09:55:49 am »

Yes, years ago in southeast ark, we would do the same thing.  Drive around the roads with ditches......if there was a small bridge over one of the sloughs that area was usually loaded with snakes.  Nobody said anything back then about shooting from the roads, you would probably get arrested for doing it now.

One night a buddy & I went frog gigging on a minnow farm pond in that area.  I had a .22 pistol & shot about a box of shells or more, at snakes in a pretty short time.  We would shine the lights on the water, & the light would pick up sometimes 6 or more at a time.....didn't see many frogs.  Snakes had evidently eaten everything that moved.  We decided it was time to get off that place..... more snakes than I had ammo, & we were getting a little nervous.
what part of se arkansas?
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2011, 03:30:10 pm »

True story here..   Was tent camping in stone county in a little woooded area near a creek    3 or 4  yrs back.   Got up the last morning and went on a little fourwheeler ride.   Got back to camp and got in the tent on my knees and folded up the cots and sleeping bags and threw them outside.    I got out and walked around to the back of tent and I heard my cousin scream.   Went back around to the front ant there was about a 24 inch copperhead laying in the tent right under where my cot was and within inches of where I was just knelt down.    How long it was in there is anyones guess     but I intantly got sick at my stomack and almost threw up.     If she hadnt looked in there it would have gotten rolled up in the tent.    good lord.     Have had many close incounters floating the buffalo    but never a snake in the tent.   
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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2011, 06:48:02 pm »

When i was 16 me and a few buddies went wade fishing in a small creek,we waded probably a mile or two and had only caught small sunfish, so we decided to head back to the car, well we all sat down and had lunch on a gravel bar, as im sitting there i see something move inches from  leg, HUGE copperhead came slithering by me, we started counting after that , we lost count at 50, i permanently erased where that creek is in my mind and never intend to remember.... 
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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2011, 10:49:42 pm »

1. Was squirell hunting with a friend one morning and we had to pass through a dry creek bed that was about 5 ft deep.  As i came up the bank i slipped and fell when my hand hit the ground a little garder snake went up over my hand.  I almost crapped my pants then i realized what type of snake it was.

2. Was weed eating one afternoon right after my wife and i had purchased our first house.  I got to the point where the landscape edging butted up against the house.  i looked down and a little baby copperhead about 6 inches long went accross the top of my shoe. I almost crapped my pants

3. Was dove hunting in a cut wheat field one afternoon with a friend.  I wasn't paying much attention and threw my chair down and had a seat.  A friend walks up to me and says don't move a muscle.  I asked why and he said cause there is a copperhead coiled up under your chair. He grabbed my hand and pulled me out as quickly as possible and in the same motion shot the copperhead.  Once again i almost crapped my pants.

morale of the story.  Upon any close encounter with a snake i almost crap my pants.

Last but not least when i was in high school a bunch of us were frog gigging and hit a poind that had a red clay bank.  We walk up on the flat part of the bank and shine the light down and notice the bank was covered in copperheads.  You guessed it. I almost crapped my pants.
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« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2011, 10:57:55 pm »

My cousin was swimming at Degray and a snake went up his shirt.
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« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2011, 11:15:06 pm »

Caught this little Pygmy Rattler up on Spring River in June.
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2011, 01:11:02 am »

what part of se arkansas?

That particular night, I believe it was somewhere between Lonoke & Stuttgart. The buddy I went with had been there the year before & got quite a few frogs.  This was back in the late 60's, it was much easier to be able to just go out & put in a boat without permission at many of those ponds.  Most of the time, nobody would care.

The two areas that we drove around shooting snakes in ditches etc, were mostly around Stuttgart & McGhee.  Those places were full of snakes back then.  Have not done that in many years but it sure was fun in the Summer when you couldn't get in the woods.
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2011, 05:55:59 am »

Back when I lived in Paris Arkansas as a kid we lived in the boonies and our patio area was right up against where the woods REALLY get started. One day my dad goes out there and sits down on the picnic table and he's out there for a good hour just sitting there. Thought maybe he's just pondering life, enjoying the nice weather, view, idk. He comes in later and it turns out while he was sitting there a huge copperhead had came out of the woods and slithered between his legs as he sat there. So he just didn't move till it got out of striking distance! lol. Glad it wasn't me!
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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2011, 08:25:18 am »

That particular night, I believe it was somewhere between Lonoke & Stuttgart. The buddy I went with had been there the year before & got quite a few frogs.  This was back in the late 60's, it was much easier to be able to just go out & put in a boat without permission at many of those ponds.  Most of the time, nobody would care.

The two areas that we drove around shooting snakes in ditches etc, were mostly around Stuttgart & McGhee.  Those places were full of snakes back then.  Have not done that in many years but it sure was fun in the Summer when you couldn't get in the woods.
years ago we used to ride around desha and chicot counties and shoot snakes during the day. that fish pond sounded like areas close to mcgehee.
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2011, 08:42:01 am »

Can't tell how many cottonmouths I've had to drop in the boat in the St. Francis River bar pits and oxbows.  They love to ambush from overhangs. 

Got bit swimming at a boat launch in Norfork when I was 14.  I was swimming close to some willows and felt the snake writhing around my right leg and then it drilled me on the side of the calf.  I hauled butt out of there and had blood runnin' out 2 fang holes. 

I sat down and calmed myself waiting for the tissue damage to commence.  It never did.  I'm either immune to cottonmouth venom or the snake didn't let any loose??
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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2011, 01:26:56 pm »

Caught this little Pygmy Rattler up on Spring River in June.

My dad caught me one of those when i was a kid at the Gentry school, said he scooped it up into a sonic cup.

Didn't get aggressive till we had it in an aquarium, then it went nuts. We had a nasty winter and it didn't make it through hibernation... i miss that little guy.

You are nuts holding it. But i'm glad you didn't kill it. I would wager 99% of Arkansans including people on hogville, cannot properly identify snakes, especially since they have evolved to look alike, and just kill them for no reason.(which is illegal btw)
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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2011, 01:32:28 pm »

I never kill snakes, but I have a compulsion to catch poisonous ones.  I can't help myself.  My dad taught us how to identify and handle snakes when we were very young.
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« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2011, 01:42:18 pm »

Cottonmouths get whacked, period. I dont want to hear any crap about upsetting the ecosystem either, there are plenty of water snakes to fill the void. Same goes for rattlers and copperheads. And it is not illegal to kill them is they are a threat to your person and if they are close to me, they are a threat.
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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2011, 01:49:35 pm »

I just have no fear of them.  They're fascinating to me and beautiful besides.
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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2011, 04:03:32 pm »

I just have no fear of them.  They're fascinating to me and beautiful besides.

Rattlers and copperheads do look awesome as arrow wraps and bow backings:)
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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2011, 06:13:38 pm »

Rattlers and copperheads do look awesome as arrow wraps and bow backings:)

I agree.  I'm not at all opposed to utilizing road kill snakes.
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2011, 10:05:16 pm »

Cottonmouths get whacked, period. I dont want to hear any crap about upsetting the ecosystem either, there are plenty of water snakes to fill the void. Same goes for rattlers and copperheads. And it is not illegal to kill them is they are a threat to your person and if they are close to me, they are a threat.

Yes, when I see a cottonmouth I know that natures "balance" is out of whack, & I need to do an adjustment.  I know its illegal to kill them, so I just shoot in the ground in the vicinity of their head.......if an accident occurs, its certainly not premeditated.
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2011, 10:14:20 pm »

Yes, when I see a cottonmouth I know that natures "balance" is out of whack, & I need to do an adjustment.  I know its illegal to kill them, so I just shoot in the ground in the vicinity of their head.......if an accident occurs, its certainly not premeditated.

I catch 'em,  expose their fangs and apply slight pressure behind and under with a knife edge or some such and drain the venom sacs.  Then I give them a gentle toss in the direction they were heading.
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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2011, 10:18:33 pm »

I never kill snakes, but I have a compulsion to catch poisonous ones.  I can't help myself.  My dad taught us how to identify and handle snakes when we were very young.
forget that.
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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2011, 10:20:30 pm »

I smell the fear in this thread... it's palpable.  8)
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2011, 10:24:30 pm »

years ago we used to ride around desha and chicot counties and shoot snakes during the day. that fish pond sounded like areas close to mcgehee.

You could be right about closer to McGehee.  We were in my buddy's truck & he was driving,  we had my flatbottom boat & it was dark when we got there.  I do remember that. I thought it was a minnow farm between Lonoke & Stuttgart, but its been too many years. I know that we never went back to that place again. I didn't really want to remember how to get back there.  I have seen plenty of snakes, but nothing like that night.
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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2011, 10:32:01 pm »

I caught a copperhead on Hwy 228 just outside of Sedgwick one night crossing the road.  It had come out of a rice field probably headed across to the next one.  I've never seen its equal before or since.  It was huge, between 4 1/2 and 5 feet long, which is way outside their normal range.

It was so frickin' strong that after about 10 minutes I was getting weary of the struggle.  But I managed to get the venom milked into a pie tin that my buddies mom had at their house there where I caught it.  It held a dose like you see in a big cottonmouth or timber rattler.

I carried it back down the road and tossed it into the ditch in the direction is was headed. 
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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2011, 11:32:38 pm »

I smell the fear in this thread... it's palpable.  8)

After I see a cottonmouth, It doesn't smell like fear to me..........smells more like gunpowder...
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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2011, 11:51:18 pm »

What I've always found strange is that non-venomous snakes are so much more eager to strike and bite you than venomous (cottonmouths excepted, they're pretty aggressive) ones are.  I've been bitten by all kinds of round eyed snakes from green snakes, garters, spotted kings, spread adders, black chicken, blue racers, common water snakes, etc...

Copperheads and rattlers are just really reluctant to strike in my experience.
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« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2011, 08:19:03 am »

What I've always found strange is that non-venomous snakes are so much more eager to strike and bite you than venomous (cottonmouths excepted, they're pretty aggressive) ones are.  I've been bitten by all kinds of round eyed snakes from green snakes, garters, spotted kings, spread adders, black chicken, blue racers, common water snakes, etc...

Copperheads and rattlers are just really reluctant to strike in my experience.

If you carry a big fricking stick you don't have to swing it as often!
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« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2011, 08:21:40 am »

If you carry a big fricking stick you don't have to swing it as often!


How many times do I have to say "I don't kill snakes" before y'all get the point? LOL!
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« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2011, 09:05:06 am »

What I've always found strange is that non-venomous snakes are so much more eager to strike and bite you than venomous (cottonmouths excepted, they're pretty aggressive) ones are.  I've been bitten by all kinds of round eyed snakes from green snakes, garters, spotted kings, spread adders, black chicken, blue racers, common water snakes, etc...

Copperheads and rattlers are just really reluctant to strike in my experience.

It isn't strange.  Wild snakes need their venom to survive.  They husband it.  It isn't for defense, it is to kill prey so that the prey dies and doesn't injure them in a fight.  So, they don't want to strike something that isn't prey.

When you milk them of all their venom like that, you may be killing some of them.
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« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2011, 09:48:03 am »


How many times do I have to say "I don't kill snakes" before y'all get the point? LOL!

No no no, my big stick comment was in reference to why the baddest snakes tend to strike the least, not how many swings it's going to take you to dispatch it.
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« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2011, 12:33:52 pm »

A couple of years back my brother and I walked out behind my Grandmothers house to look at an old tractor.  As he was looking I reached down to act like I was snake about to bight him on the ankle.  I almost grabbed a copperhead that was laying there.  He was almost standing on it.  It was getting colder or we would have both been nailed. I screamed like a 5 year old girl.  Not one of my finer moments.

Also, one of my oldest memories is my Dad taking me squirrel hunting when I was about 5.  We were out around Poteau Mnt. in South Sebastian County.  We hunted for a while until we came to a mostly dry creek bed.  I remember we saw a snake and my dad took a shot at it.  Then we saw another snake and another and .....you get the picture.  To hear my Dad talk about it today gives me chills.  He said when he started to look around that creek bed, which we were in, there were snakes everywhere he looked.  I remember him putting me on his back.  He said he about freaked out.  No, I don't really remember how we got out.  He just says he got the Hell out of there.
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« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2011, 12:53:00 pm »

When i was 16 me and a few buddies went wade fishing in a small creek,we waded probably a mile or two and had only caught small sunfish, so we decided to head back to the car, well we all sat down and had lunch on a gravel bar, as im sitting there i see something move inches from  leg, HUGE copperhead came slithering by me, we started counting after that , we lost count at 50, i permanently erased where that creek is in my mind and never intend to remember....

50 copperheads on a gravel bar? I've never heard of anything like that.
There is another post later in this thread that talks about copperheads on a small creekbed so there might be commonality there.
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