Who are your top 3 most over rated QB's in NFL

[eathill5]

Mine are:

1. Ben Rothlisberger
2. Matt Cassell
3. Tony Romo

Who are yours?

[rnclittlerock]

mcnabb
rivers
eli


can't fault cassell for the chiefs O line, personally.  they're the reason trent green isn't playing anymore.  don't particularly like roethlisberger but can't fault his two super bowl wins either, and the second one he actually won on the last play.  romo, like cassell, has had a suspect O line and very average receivers the last couple of years, outside of austin and witten.

[Hawgndaaz]

Romo
Tony Romo
T. Romo

is that 3?

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

agree with above.

Romo
Romo
Romo

[EastexHawg]

mcnabb
rivers
eli

I agree for sure with McNabb and Eli.  McNabb has sucked for several years and looked awful against Dallas Sunday night.  Eli is yet another in the line of mediocre QBs (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer) who have won Super Bowls.

Two or three years ago I would have put Michael Vick at the top of the list...but now everyone with even a thimble full of brains knows that he is nothing more than a savage torturer who is employed only because he can run with a football tucked under his arm.

[Hawg Balling]

1. Donovan McNabb
2. Carson Palmer
t3. Jay Cutler
t3. Tony Romo

I wouldn't necessarily call Cassel overrated because most people see him for what he is -- a one year wonder who was surrounded by one of the best supporting casts in the NFL and played under the best coach in the NFL.  Severely overpaid and a bad signing by the Chiefs, but not overrated.

One guy I'd label as overrated is Mark Sanchez.  Of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL, I'd rank him around 28. 

[nwarazfan]

Romo
Ryan
Ben

Rivers is a choker so far but he has more talent than these 3 combined. 

Flacco may be the most underrated.

On Sunday, it was obvious after Vick's first couple of plays that he should be the starter in Philly.  Reid was fortunate that Kolb was hurt as it corrected his decision.  I don't know if it is bad PR to start Vick or to make him the main qb or if Reid was just stupid.  Vick will never be more than an average qb but he gives Philly by far the best chance to move the football.  He would make a lot of teams better.

Sanchez looked in control of the offense last night.  He is still very young as well and is missing Santonio Holmes.  In a couple of more seasons, I think he'll be an adequate qb.  Brunell is probably just as good at this point but you don't play the old man instead of the developing qb.  I think the consensus on Sanchez right now is he is not one of the league's top qb's and people had questions about how much he has progressed from the preseason.

[rnclittlerock]

i wouldn't call flacco underrated yet since he's only played for 3 years but he's definitely improving by leaps and bounds.  he looked like a pro bowl QB in camp this year.

i would go so far as to call the ravens the favorite in the AFC.

[EastexHawg]

Did any of you guys happen to see the stat during the Sunday night game showing that Romo has the 4th highest yards per attempt average in NFL history?

And...you might want to check out this link to the official NFL Record Book.  Tony Romo has the 3rd highest career passer rating in history.  And yes...that includes Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Brady, Manning...

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/history/pdfs/Records/All_Time_Individual_Records.pdf

[nwarazfan]

Did any of you guys happen to see the stat during the Sunday night game showing that Romo has the 4th highest yards per attempt average in NFL history?

And...you might want to check out this link to the official NFL Record Book.  Tony Romo has the 3rd highest career passer rating in history.  And yes...that includes Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Brady, Manning...

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/history/pdfs/Records/All_Time_Individual_Records.pdf

Stop.  Please do not insult Elway, Montana or the next best qb's in NFL history by comparing Romo to them. 

[EastexHawg]

Stop.  Please do not insult Elway, Montana or the next best qb's in NFL history by comparing Romo to them. 

You better send your complaint to the National Football League.  I didn't put that record book on their website, they did.

I just hate it when the facts get in the way of my stories...don't you?

[ErieHog]

Romo
Sanchez
Hasselbeck

It's not even particularly close.    Sanchez can realistically move off the list, and Hasselbeck is mostly on due to his inability to stay on the field-- but these three guys are not guys you want with the ball and the game on the line.   Each has a host of big-game blunders, or failures to make scoring impacts in the playoffs when given the opportunities. 

In each case, it's pretty easy to name a dozen guys in the NFL who are indisputably better, or who rise to the occasion better than these stiffs.

[nwarazfan]

Romo
Sanchez
Hasselbeck

It's not even particularly close.    Sanchez can realistically move off the list, and Hasselbeck is mostly on due to his inability to stay on the field-- but these three guys are not guys you want with the ball and the game on the line.   Each has a host of big-game blunders, or failures to make scoring impacts in the playoffs when given the opportunities. 

In each case, it's pretty easy to name a dozen guys in the NFL who are indisputably better, or who rise to the occasion better than these stiffs.

Romo's passer rating vs Minnesota in the playoffs was 66.1 and 20.8 on 3rd down. 

[EastexHawg]

Romo's passer rating vs Minnesota in the playoffs was 66.1 and 20.8 on 3rd down. 

What was it against the Eagles in the first round?

So now we're resorting to passer rating for a single game?  Wait, let me go back to 2002 and bring up Peyton Manning's 31.2 rating in the first round 41-0 blowout loss to the Jets...

[ErieHog]

Romo's passer rating vs Minnesota in the playoffs was 66.1 and 20.8 on 3rd down. 

I wouldn't be so down on Romo, if it was just one game.

He's 30, with 6 years of starting in the league.  At some point, you are who your record says you are.

[CurDog64]

I wouldn't be so down on Romo, if it was just one game.

He's 30, with 6 years of starting in the league.  At some point, you are who your record says you are.

In 2006 he started only 10 games, his first year starting. He has only started 4 years in the league, this year being his fifth.

[ErieHog]

In 2006 he started only 10 games, his first year starting. He has only started 4 years in the league, this year being his fifth.

Lemme help you with that:



You honestly can't name a dozen NFL quarterbacks you'd rather have than Romo?

[CurDog64]

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Joe Flacco
Aaron Rodgers
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees

All I can think of...

Can you round out the last 5? (Please dont include Brett Favre, hes not a long term answer at QB)

[EastexHawg]

Who is it that is rating him so highly?  He has made a couple of Pro Bowls.  That's it.  He was picked last year...along with David Garrard, Vince Young, and Donovan McNabb.  Jay Cutler and Kerry Collins were picked the year before when Romo was passed over for Eli Manning in the NFC. 

It's not like he has won three of four league MVPs or his face is plastered on every media campaign out there.  So who exactly is overrating him?

Don't you have to receive some pretty lofty accolades to qualify as the most overrated? 

[ErieHog]

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Joe Flacco
Aaron Rodgers
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees

All I can think of...

Can you round out the last 5? (Please dont include Brett Favre, hes not a long term answer at QB)

Long term or not, he's still a better option.
Eli Manning is a grinder who's accomplished much more in the playoffs.
Donovan McNabb is indisputably a better NFL quarterback
Carson Palmer is arguable, but I think probably a tad short, having been Tony Romo before Tony Romo
Matt Schaub would have to get the nod over Romo
Matt Ryan is a viable option, being younger and having some playoff experience without being too damaged.

The essence is this--  if you're vying with Carson Palmer in the ranks of NFL QBs, it's time to exclude you from the conversation of good NFL quarterbacks.    There's nothing wrong with being above average. 

[EastexHawg]

If Eli Manning gets the nod for winning a Super Bowl, I guess that means Jamelle Holloway was a better college QB than Elway, Marino, Staubach, Peyton Manning, Aikman, and Brees...because he won a national championship at Oklahoma.

The idea of rating QBs based on their teams winning championships is asinine. 

So where do you rank Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon, and Jeff Hostetler?

[CurDog64]

Now youre grasping for straws, neither Carson Palmer or Donovan Mcnabb has won a Superbowl, the main reason Romo is not considered a "top tier" quarterback.  While being the same age as Romo, Palmer also has 3 more years of starting experience, with no more to show.  McNabb is 33 years old, and has 12 years of starting experience, with no Superbowl rings.

Ill exclude Matt Shaub and Matt Ryan because they are younger and have less NFL experience, but neither has proved they are worthy of a better rating than Romo.

Of your list only Eli Manning and Donovan McNabb is a viable contender. 

[ErieHog]

If Eli Manning gets the nod for winning a Super Bowl, I guess that means Jamelle Holloway was a better college QB than Elway, Marino, Staubach, Peyton Manning, Aikman, and Brees...because he won a national championship at Oklahoma.

The idea of rating QBs based on their teams winning championships is asinine. 

So where do you rank Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon, and Jeff Hostetler?

They're about on par with Tony Romo-- each was a significantly more successful playoff quarterback, and is, in turn, less accomplished in the regular season. And Eli isn't just ahead of Romo on the strength of a single Super Bowl win, and a superior playoff record.   He has a number of marked similarities with Romo, when it comes to his team's performance during his tenure in the regular season.  NY is 50-37 since Eli took the reigns, and 49-31 since he became the Franchise Guy in NY.    When he has been healthy, the Giants have been playoff staples, and when he hasn't, they've been putrid.

[ErieHog]

Now youre grasping for straws, neither Carson Palmer or Donovan Mcnabb has won a Superbowl, the main reason Romo is not considered a "top tier" quarterback.  While being the same age as Romo, Palmer also has 3 more years of starting experience, with no more to show.  McNabb is 33 years old, and has 12 years of starting experience, with no Superbowl rings.

Ill exclude Matt Shaub and Matt Ryan because they are younger and have less NFL experience, but neither has proved they are worthy of a better rating than Romo.

Of your list only Eli Manning and Donovan McNabb is a viable contender. 

I don't much like McNabb, but it's not even a serious question-- he's won everything but a Super Bowl, and has far more impressive credentials than Romo does-- not only does he have a winning playoff record, but his regular seasons compare favorably to Romo as well.   

I'll never understand why it happens-- Cowboy fans usually demand better than 'pretty decent'.

[CurDog64]

I don't much like McNabb, but it's not even a serious question-- he's won everything but a Super Bowl, and has far more impressive credentials than Romo does-- not only does he have a winning playoff record, but his regular seasons compare favorably to Romo as well.   

I'll never understand why it happens-- Cowboy fans usually demand better than 'pretty decent'.

I would love to have the next Big Ben (minus extracurricular activities) that comes out of college, but honestly that rarely happens.  We could do much worse than Romo (see 20 other NFL teams for reference.) I just honestly can't see why most people dont see him as a top 10 quarterback.

[EastexHawg]

I don't much like McNabb...(he) has far more impressive credentials than Romo does

Other than the fact that Romo is the 3rd highest rated passer in NFL history, of course.

Again, TEAM wins do not equate to who is the best QB.  Marino never won a Super Bowl.  Hostetler, Johnson, and Dilfer did.  Do you think that MAY have had anything to do with the quality of the defenses those teams put on the field, the personnel surrounding those QBs, etc.?

[ErieHog]

Other than the fact that Romo is the 3rd highest rated passer in NFL history, of course.

Again, TEAM wins do not equate to who is the best QB.  Marino never won a Super Bowl.  Hostetler, Johnson, and Dilfer did.  Do you think that MAY have had anything to do with the quality of the defenses those teams put on the field, the personnel surrounding those QBs, etc.?

Yeah, those Cowboy teams have been a bunch of talentless hacks.

Oh-- and for your cherry picked statistics file:

No quarterback with more than 2,000 career attempts approaches McNabb in interception rates.

Romo is 4th, not 3rd, btw, in career passer rating.

[CurDog64]

Yeah, those Cowboy teams have been a bunch of talentless hacks.

Oh-- and for your cherry picked statistics file:

No quarterback with more than 2,000 career attempts approaches McNabb in interception rates-- and his fumble rates

Romo is 4th, not 3rd, btw, in career passer rating.

Considering these four statistics go into computing the NFL's passer rating:

Percentage of completions per attempt
Average yards gained per attempt
Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt
Percentage of interceptions per attempt

Aren't your statistics more "cherry picked" than his?

[ErieHog]

Considering these four statistics go into computing the NFL's passer rating:

Percentage of completions per attempt
Average yards gained per attempt
Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt
Percentage of interceptions per attempt

Aren't your statistics more "cherry picked" than his?

Nope.  Not even remotely close.

Unlike Passer Rating, you can't artificially have one statistic that props up the overall rating.   Interception rates are what they say they are;  if you don't attempt passes (and thus avoid interceptions), your rate doesn't improve,  whereas with QB rating, a low attempt rate isn't punished.

[CurDog64]

Nope.  Not even remotely close.

Unlike Passer Rating, you can't artificially have one statistic that props up the overall rating.   Interception rates are what they say they are;  if you don't attempt passes (and thus avoid interceptions), your rate doesn't improve,  whereas with QB rating, a low attempt rate isn't punished.

Wow, your anti Cowboys glasses are thick...  Thats a stretch

[HawgAdvocate]

Did any of you guys happen to see the stat during the Sunday night game showing that Romo has the 4th highest yards per attempt average in NFL history?

And...you might want to check out this link to the official NFL Record Book.  Tony Romo has the 3rd highest career passer rating in history.  And yes...that includes Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Brady, Manning...

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/history/pdfs/Records/All_Time_Individual_Records.pdf

For a guy who tosses around the NFL record book so liberally, you sure don't have any business calling McNabb overrated. He dances circles around Romo.

[loudog]

romo is way overrated, mcnabb is way way better. and this comes from a dallas fan. mark my words: dallas will not make it to or win a superbowl with romo as qb. he just isnt a champion.

[Hawgndaaz]

Romo just isn't a winner. He doesn't have the IT factor, whatever you want to call it. I don't care how awesome his ratings are, he just doesn't win the big games.

[EastexHawg]

For a guy who tosses around the NFL record book so liberally, you sure don't have any business calling McNabb overrated. He dances circles around Romo.

The term "overrated" has as much to do with how highly the QB is "rated" as it does with what he has accomplished.

Again, who is rating Tony Romo extremely highly?  Is he being voted league MVP?  Are sports drinks, athletic shoe companies, Campbell's Soup, and the NFL itself plastering his face everywhere?

But let's get to the facts on the field.

Donovan McNabb has been in the league 11 years.  In those 11 years he has had a passer rating above 90 three times...in 2004, 2006, and 2009.

Romo has played in the league four years.  He has had a passer rating above 90 all four years...2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009.

McNabb's career passer rating is 86.4.  Romo's is THIRD ALL-TIME at 95.4.

McNabb's career completion percentage is 58.9%.  He has completed 60% or more of his passes four times in eleven years.  Romo's is 63.5% and he has completed more than 60% all four years.

McNabb's career yards per attempt average is 6.9.  Romo's is 8.1, FOURTH ALL-TIME

McNabb has played in 149 career games and has 216 TD passes...1.45 per game.  Romo has played in 62 and has 108...1.74 per game.

The only stat in which McNabb leads Romo is career interception percentage.  McNabb throws an interception once every 47.8 attempts, Romo one every 34.6.  But Romo is improving.  Last year he threw 9 interceptions in 550 attempts, while McNabb threw 10 in 443.

Now...tell me again how McNabb "dances circles around Romo".

[EastexHawg]

Oh-- and for your cherry picked statistics file:

Passer rating is a "cherry picked statistic"? 

LMAO.

Your interception percentage stat is one of the numbers that goes into the passer rating formula.  And yet Romo still smokes McNabb by a country mile when the other components are factored in.

[HawgAdvocate]

The term "overrated" has as much to do with how highly the QB is "rated" as it does with what he has accomplished.

Again, who is rating Tony Romo extremely highly?  Is he being voted league MVP?  Are sports drinks, athletic shoe companies, Campbell's Soup, and the NFL itself plastering his face everywhere?

But let's get to the facts on the field.

Donovan McNabb has been in the league 11 years.  In those 11 years he has had a passer rating above 90 three times...in 2004, 2006, and 2009.

Romo has played in the league four years.  He has had a passer rating above 90 all four years...2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009.

McNabb's career passer rating is 86.4.  Romo's is THIRD ALL-TIME at 95.4.

McNabb's career completion percentage is 58.9%.  He has completed 60% or more of his passes four times in eleven years.  Romo's is 63.5% and he has completed more than 60% all four years.

McNabb's career yards per attempt average is 6.9.  Romo's is 8.1, FOURTH ALL-TIME

McNabb has played in 149 career games and has 216 TD passes...1.45 per game.  Romo has played in 62 and has 108...1.74 per game.

The only stat in which McNabb leads Romo is career interception percentage.  McNabb throws an interception once every 47.8 attempts, Romo one every 34.6.  But Romo is improving.  Last year he threw 9 interceptions in 550 attempts, while McNabb threw 10 in 443.

Now...tell me again how McNabb "dances circles around Romo".

You said McNabb was overrated and "sucked for several years" depsite making the Pro Bowl last year while so vehemently defending Romo due to his "passer rating."

LOL passer rating?!? Really?!? Passer Rating?!!??

This same "passer rating" stat that claims that Marc Bulger, Chad Pennington, Daunte Culpepper, Trent Green, David Garrard, Jay Cutler, Matt Hasselback, Brian Griese(!!!), Jake Delhomme, & the immortal Jeff George were ALL BETTER THAN John Elway Bullhockey!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders

It's even worth mentioning that McNabb is only one of a handful of QBs to ever have a perfect passer rating (158.3) in an NFL game (9/23/07). Romo hasn't had such luck.

McNabb, who for the majority of his career made a name for himself with WRs named James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddy Mitchell, and Reggie Brown, led the Eagles to four consecutive NFC East division championships (2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004), five NFC Championship Games (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2008), and one Super Bowl (Super Bowl XXXIX).

Romo has cost his team more playoff games than he's won (just one).

McNabb is one of six quarterbacks of all time to have over 25,000 passing yards and 3,000 rushing yards (alongside Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Steve McNair, and John Elway).

McNabb also has the third-highest winning percentage among active quarterbacks (83-45-1, .647) behind Peyton Manning (119-59-0, .669) and Tom Brady (88-25-0, .779). This stat trumps almost everything else you can say in regards to Romo.

McNabb - 149 games, 30,000+ passing yards, 215+ TDs, 100 Ints, 3,000+ yards rushing, 6 Pro Bowls, 2004 NFC Offensive Player of the Year, 15 4th Quarter comebacks and 23 game winning drives, 9-7 playoff record

Romo - 78 games, 15,000+ passing yards, 108+TDs, 55 Ints, 375 yards rushing, 3 Pro Bowls, 9 4th Quarter comebacks and 10 game winning drives, 1-3 playoff record.

McNabb is potential Hall of Famer. Romo is nowhere close to being in that conversation.

[dhornjr1]

dallas will not make it to or win a superbowl with romo as qb. he just isnt a champion.

Romo is a symptom of a much larger problem.

If I ever meet Jerry Jones, I hope I have the chutzpah to emulate George Costanza from "The Opposite" episode of Seinfeld.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiwtXHPwGPE

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Passer rating is a "cherry picked statistic"? 

LMAO.

Your interception percentage stat is one of the numbers that goes into the passer rating formula.  And yet Romo still smokes McNabb by a country mile when the other components are factored in.

check back in 6yrs when Homo is still playing.....if he is still playing.



PP

[EastexHawg]

McNabb, who for the majority of his career made a name for himself with WRs named James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddy Mitchell, and Reggie Brown

I guess leaving Antonio Freeman and Terrell Owens off your list was an inadvertent oversight.

McNabb also has the third-highest winning percentage among active quarterbacks (83-45-1, .647) behind Peyton Manning (119-59-0, .669) and Tom Brady (88-25-0, .779). This stat trumps almost everything else you can say in regards to Romo.

Really?  REALLY?  Better check again.  Since Romo took over as the starter for Drew Bledsoe in week 8 of the 2006 season, his regular season record as a starting QB from 2006-2009 was 38-17.  That's a winning percentage of .691.

Now...what stat is trumping what?

BTW, during that same time period the Eagles' record in games in which McNabb played was 32-22.   That's a percentage of .593...and his record against the Cowboys was 3-4 in the regular season...and 0-1 in the playoffs. 

Oh, one more thing...in the one game in which they faced each other in the playoffs, Romo had a passer rating of 104.9, completed 66% of his passes, threw two TD passes, and didn't turn the ball over in a blowout win over Philly. 

McNabb?  A 68.5 passer rating, 51% completion average, an interception, and one meaningless TD pass when the Cowboys were up 34-7 in the 4th quarter.

McNabb is potential Hall of Famer. Romo is nowhere close to being in that conversation.

Romo has played three full seasons in the NFL.  How many players can you name who were named to the Hall of Fame after three years?

[rnclittlerock]

it's amazing to me that people who watch so much football know so little about it.

a) mcnabb has a lower than 60% completion percentage in 7 of his 10 seasons.  he's not that accurate.  and no, he's not a hall of fame QB, for that reason.

b) romo has only been a starter for 3 years, and in two of those his O line was atrocious (counting this year).  his receivers, minus witten and miles austin, are equally bad.

c) haven't bothered to cross reference posts but these people complaining about romo are probably the same people who think mallet is the problem with the hogs.

the one and only problem with romo is al davis jr. aka jerry jones. 

[HawgAdvocate]

I guess leaving Antonio Freeman and Terrell Owens off your list was an inadvertent oversight.

LOL Antonio Freeman!?? He was run out of Green Bay and played in Philly for one season, STARTED ONLY ONE GAME, and had 46 catches for 600 yards. His next season, when he went back to Green Bay, was his last. He had 8 catches that final year. He was old, over the hill, and barely a factor when he came to Philly. ONE START!! ONE!!!!

We had T.O. for one season. T.O. played great for one that season, but did McNabb get all those playoff wins and pass for 30,000+ yards thanks to one year from T.O. and one (LAUGHABLE) year by Antonio Freeman??!? Get real. It was no-name WRs Todd Pinkston, James Thrash, Freddy Mitchell, Reggie Brown, and TEs Chad Lewis that got the majority of McNabb's passes.

Really?  REALLY?  Better check again.  Since Romo took over as the starter for Drew Bledsoe in week 8 of the 2006 season, his regular season record as a starting QB from 2006-2009 was 38-17.  That's a winning percentage of .691.

Now...what stat is trumping what?

Those stats are based on a mimimum of 100 starts. Talk to us IF AND WHEN Romo gets that far.

Again, the basis of this whole discussion is to ridicule your hilarious claim that McNabb is overrated and Romo isn't.

Romo hasn't really done much (other than become widely known as the anti-Roethlisberger, aka "can't win in the clutch"), yet McNabb has accomplished a lot more over a longer period of time.

Facts are facts. McNabb has been to twice as many Pro Bowls, has won more individual awards, has won 9x as many playoff games, has twice as many passing yards and TDs, and has done so through multiple seasons where injuries cut his seasons short.

You still haven't proven how McNabb is overrated. The numbers DO NOT LIE.

[HawgAdvocate]

a) mcnabb has a lower than 60% completion percentage in 7 of his 10 seasons.  he's not that accurate.  and no, he's not a hall of fame QB, for that reason.

b) romo has only been a starter for 3 years, and in two of those his O line was atrocious (counting this year).  his receivers, minus witten and miles austin, are equally bad.

c) haven't bothered to cross reference posts but these people complaining about romo are probably the same people who think mallet is the problem with the hogs.

the one and only problem with romo is al davis jr. aka jerry jones. 

a) Does Chad Pennington's amazing accuracy secure him a spot in the HoF? Of course not. Accuracy doesn't make or break anyone's HoF credentials. McNabb hasn't been the most accurate QB, but he certainly DOES NOT turn the ball over now does he?? He's the NFL's best when it comes to passing and not throwing picks.

b) This is laughable. Romo has been a starter for 4 years (5th being this season). He made his first start in week 7 of the 2006 season. He started every game after that. His offensive line has been great up until this season (age setting in). How can you count this year as being an atrocious OL after just one game?!?!?

In 2006, when Romo took over, your OL had the same five starters for each and every game:

LT - Flozell Adams (Pro Bowl in 2006, 2007, & 2008 - started & played in every game)
LG - Kyle Kosier (started & played in every game at LG since 2006 except for 13 games in 2008)
C - Andre Gurode (Pro Bowl 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 - started & played in every game)
RG - Marco Rivera (3-time Pro Bowler in his final season, started every game- replaced by Leonard Davis)
RG - Leonard Davis (Pro Bowl 2007, 2008, 2009 - started & played in every game)
RT - Marc Colombo (started & played every game at RT since 2006, but missed 7 games in 2009)

How can your OL suck with the almost the same starting unit over four seasons, with three of them being perennial Pro Bowlers?!?!? What other teams can boast about having this much talent on OL???

c) you're retarded if you think there's any sort of Mallett/Romo hate connection. 100% Grade A retarded.

it's amazing to me that people who watch so much football know so little about it.

Those who live in glass houses should most definitely NOT throw stones.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

Did any of you guys happen to see the stat during the Sunday night game showing that Romo has the 4th highest yards per attempt average in NFL history?

And...you might want to check out this link to the official NFL Record Book.  Tony Romo has the 3rd highest career passer rating in history.  And yes...that includes Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Brady, Manning...

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/history/pdfs/Records/All_Time_Individual_Records.pdf

You better send your complaint to the National Football League.  I didn't put that record book on their website, they did.

I just hate it when the facts get in the way of my stories...don't you?

Those facts are amazing.  Right.   I do not give a rip what his passer rating is.  I know what I see on the field.  Tony Romo looks like the best player ever to step on the field in a meaningless game.  When his team gets up a couple scores and there is no pressure.  Why don't you check hi QB rating in games decided by less than ten points.  I would figure it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lower.

[blacksuit]

People see Romo as overrated because he's the Dallas QB and he's in the news all the time.

The sad reality is that there just aren't enough Peyton Mannings to go around. I'm a 49ers fan and I would love for my team to have an in-his-prime Romo or McNabb instead of the current situation.

[EastexHawg]

We had T.O. for one season. 

Wrong.  Try two seasons...2004 and 2005.  BTW, nice use of "we".  At least now we see where you're coming from.

Those stats are based on a mimimum of 100 starts. Talk to us IF AND WHEN Romo gets that far.

This argument is especially laughable.  You quote McNabb's winning percentage as if it causes an open and shut argument.  What was your quote..."This stat trumps almost everything else you can say in regards to Romo"...?  Then when I point out that Romo's winning percentage is actually higher you crawfish and try to come up with some sort of "minimum number of starts" crap.

Truth be told, you probably didn't know Romo had a higher winning percentage because it didn't pop up in your Wikipedia "research".

And...again...Romo has a winning record against McNabb head to head.  He won their only matchup in the playoffs.  I know how that must hurt, since it blows up your "chokes in the playoffs" argument, but all I know to tell you is...deal with it.

Facts are facts. McNabb has been to twice as many Pro Bowls

He's been to twice as many Pro Bowls in three times as many seasons in the league.  That's a compelling argument if I ever heard one.  Keep 'em coming.

has won more individual awards

What individual awards has he won?

You still haven't proven how McNabb is overrated. The numbers DO NOT LIE.

Nor have you "proven" that Romo is overrated.  But since you're all fired up, go ahead and try.

1.  How is Romo overrated?  Who is overrating him?  Who, for that matter is "rating" him?  You?

2.  Romo has a higher passer rating, a higher career winning percentage, and has a breakeven record with McNabb in the regular season (counting Sunday night, when McNabb lit up the Cowboys for ZERO offensive touchdowns), and won their only meeting in the playoffs.

And yet you say Romo is overrated but McNabb isn't. 

[HawgAdvocate]

People see Romo as overrated because he's the Dallas QB and he's in the news all the time.

The sad reality is that there just aren't enough Peyton Mannings to go around. I'm a 49ers fan and I would love for my team to have an in-his-prime Romo or McNabb instead of the current situation.

I think it has more to do with the regular season success that builds him up (3x Pro Bowler) coupled with the post-season flops (1-3 in playoffs, Jessica Simpson/Mexico pre-playoff loss vacation, botched hold on the FG, murdered by the Vikings) that give Romo his overhyped label.

[HawgAdvocate]

This argument is especially laughable.  You quote McNabb's winning percentage as if it causes an open and shut argument.  What was your quote..."This stat trumps almost everything else you can say in regards to Romo"...?  Then when I point out that Romo's winning percentage is actually higher you crawfish and try to come up with some sort of "minimum number of starts" crap.

Truth be told, you probably didn't know Romo had a higher winning percentage because it didn't pop up in your Wikipedia "research".

That is true, I did use McNabb's Wiki page as a reference. But, that being said, the fact he has a winning % of that level after so many games proves my point that he is not overrated.

Earlier in the thread you used Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson as examples of how certain QBs may be considered great based on small portions of their career when their entire career was not worthy of such talk. McNabb's winning % over such a long haul says otherwise, and that's why you can and should use minimum standards such as a minimum of 100 starts.

And...again...Romo has a winning record against McNabb head to head.  He won their only matchup in the playoffs.  I know how that must hurt, since it blows up your "chokes in the playoffs" argument, but all I know to tell you is...deal with it.

Who gives a flying flip about their head to head? We're talking about your stupid assertion that McNabb is overrated. It's a team sport!! This is isn't basketball where one guy can take over a game an be responsible for Ws and Ls.  If McNabb wasn't hurt in the latter part of 2006 when he tore his ACL and the Eagles won 23-7 with ageless wonder Jeff Garcia under center, it's more than likely that they'd have an equal number of wins between them. 
 

He's been to twice as many Pro Bowls in three times as many seasons in the league.  That's a compelling argument if I ever heard one.  Keep 'em coming.

Again, more proof that McNabb isn't overrated. Whenever you plan to try to prove otherwise, please step up.

Nor have you "proven" that Romo is overrated.  But since you're all fired up, go ahead and try.

I actually summed it up very well up above, which I'll re-quote for you below. If you cost your team more playoff games than you win, you're overrated. Romo has shat the bed enough in his young career to earn the overrated label. It's the same reason why Roethlisberger continues to be mentioned with the elite QBs despite putting up average to good numbers through the regular seasons of his career. Big Ben knows how to win games when they matter most. Romo doesn't.

I think it has more to do with the regular season success that builds him up (3x Pro Bowler) coupled with the post-season flops (1-3 in playoffs, Jessica Simpson/Mexico pre-playoff loss vacation, botched hold on the FG, murdered by the Vikings, fainting in the shower) that give Romo his overhyped label.

[EastexHawg]

It's a team sport!! This is isn't basketball where one guy can take over a game an be responsible for Ws and Ls. 

Wait...when I pointed out Romo's higher passer rating you quoted a Wikipedia article that claimed (erroneously) that McNabb has a higher career winning percentage than Romo.  You said something like "that (winning percentage) trumps all!"

But now that I point out that Romo had beaten McNabb more often than not head to head, including in their only playoff matchup, you say "It's a team sport!! This is isn't basketball where one guy can take over a game an be responsible for Ws and Ls."

So when you thought McNabb had a higher winning percentage it was all about Ws and Ls, and how he was presumably responsible for that record...

But when it is pointed out to you that Romo actually has a better winning percentage AND has a winning record against McNabb, you suddenly come up with "it's a team game and one player isn't responsible for Ws and Ls."

So which is it?

[rnclittlerock]

a) Does Chad Pennington's amazing accuracy secure him a spot in the HoF? Of course not. Accuracy doesn't make or break anyone's HoF credentials. McNabb hasn't been the most accurate QB, but he certainly DOES NOT turn the ball over now does he?? He's the NFL's best when it comes to passing and not throwing picks.

b) This is laughable. Romo has been a starter for 4 years (5th being this season). He made his first start in week 7 of the 2006 season. He started every game after that. His offensive line has been great up until this season (age setting in). How can you count this year as being an atrocious OL after just one game?!?!?

In 2006, when Romo took over, your OL had the same five starters for each and every game:

LT - Flozell Adams (Pro Bowl in 2006, 2007, & 2008 - started & played in every game)
LG - Kyle Kosier (started & played in every game at LG since 2006 except for 13 games in 2008)
C - Andre Gurode (Pro Bowl 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 - started & played in every game)
RG - Marco Rivera (3-time Pro Bowler in his final season, started every game- replaced by Leonard Davis)
RG - Leonard Davis (Pro Bowl 2007, 2008, 2009 - started & played in every game)
RT - Marc Colombo (started & played every game at RT since 2006, but missed 7 games in 2009)

How can your OL suck with the almost the same starting unit over four seasons, with three of them being perennial Pro Bowlers?!?!? What other teams can boast about having this much talent on OL???

c) you're retarded if you think there's any sort of Mallett/Romo hate connection. 100% Grade A retarded.

Those who live in glass houses should most definitely NOT throw stones.

a) because mcnabb throws where no one can go get it, not even his receivers.

b) romo started half of his first year and was hurt half of another, those two make one year.

minnesota got SIX sacks on romo in round two of last year's playoffs.  romo was sacked 34 times in 2009 total.  as a comparison, drew brees was sacked 20 times last year.  and tony romo is a helluva lot more mobile than drew brees is.  there is no accurate judge of lineman performance in the NFL since there are no official stats.  more cowboy fan voters = more cowboy linemen in the pro bowl.  the only stat you can accurately point to is that the saints have the best O line in football and dallas's O line, thus far, has cost them 1 game.

[HawgAdvocate]

a) because mcnabb throws where no one can go get it, not even his receivers.

b) romo started half of his first year and was hurt half of another, those two make one year.

minnesota got SIX sacks on romo in round two of last year's playoffs.  romo was sacked 34 times in 2009 total.  as a comparison, drew brees was sacked 20 times last year.  and tony romo is a helluva lot more mobile than drew brees is.  there is no accurate judge of lineman performance in the NFL since there are no official stats.  more cowboy fan voters = more cowboy linemen in the pro bowl.  the only stat you can accurately point to is that the saints have the best O line in football and dallas's O line, thus far, has cost them 1 game.

it's amazing to me that people who watch so much football know so little about it.

You have no idea how Pro Bowl players are selected.