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HOG FANATIC

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40 yard dash times
« on: March 18, 2010, 08:09:21 am »

Did anyone hear Trey Biddy talking about the 40 yard dash times on DTS yesterday?  If some of the times were legit it sounds like we are going to be much faster.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2010, 08:15:31 am »

That's a big "if" since most 40 times aren't legit.

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The NCAA doesn't allow its members to test high school prospects, so there are only two ways to get an accurate time: if the player runs track or if, prior to his senior year, he attends a college coach's camp. Otherwise, there is no such thing as a slow college prospect. According to The Forrest Davis Recruiting Annual—which bills itself as "the most accurate and complete football recruiting guide anywhere!"—there are 24 high school senior football players across 10 Southern states who have run the 40 in under 4.4. In the last 10 NFL scouting combines only 18 players have run a sub-4.4 40. Bill Buchalter, a reporter for The Orlando Sentinel, has been covering Florida high schools since, oh, shortly after Ponce de Leon arrived in the 16th century. "Just remember one thing," he says. "In 1988 in Seoul, South Korea, Ben Johnson ran 100 meters in 9.79 [a time that was disallowed after he tested positive for steroids]. Over the first 40 meters he ran 4.69. Someone told me that 40 meters is about 44 yards, so Johnson ran a 4.26 for 40 yards." In other words those 24 high school players were purported to be nearly as fast as the chemically enhanced fastest man in the world.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1013510/index.htm
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2010, 09:08:42 am »

what were some of the times I didn't hear the show
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2010, 09:17:42 am »

I think Ronnie Wingo ran the fastest with a 4.36, and Darius Winston ran a 4.38. And if I heard right Greg Childs ran a 4.39! That is some scary speed for a receiver his size.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 10:00:49 am »

R. Crimm, J. Wright, L. Ray, and one other cornerback had fast times as well.  I don't remember the exact times.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 10:05:28 am »

I believe I heard Trey say that Ramon Broadway ran a 4.28 or 4.29 as well.  that was hand timed though. 
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2010, 10:26:44 am »

They were all hand timed. 
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 10:52:46 am »

Should be no different from any other 40 times summitted by college coaches for their players unless they are using laser timings.  Hand held times will always faster than laser timed 40s.   
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 10:57:08 am »

What about Joe Adams? He had to have a good time hes pretty fast.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 03:05:20 pm »

The Juniors ran on the track.  NFL would add 1/10 of a second for their records, due to the surface.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 03:18:34 pm »

Hand held times will always faster than laser timed 40s.   
I wouldn't say that that isn't necessarily true.  I would say that hand held times are inaccurate period.  We are talking fractions of a second.  take into account the time it takes to recognizes the start with your eyes and the time it takes to press a button.  we are talking a couple tenths of a second.  when you add in all the variables of reaction time, etc.  the only conclusion you can come to is that it is inaccurate.  the difference on paper between 4.9 and 4.4 is huge. that half a second one way or the other could easily be accounted for by the innaccuarcies of the measurement method.

In conclusion. 40 times are way overrated as a predicator of success.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 06:37:16 pm »

That's a big "if" since most 40 times aren't legit.

From 1998 ...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1013510/index.htm

The part about Ben Johnson and his "4.26" is that it is an apples to oranges comparison. Assuming a perfect start you could take .10 off of that time (any reaction time faster than .10 is a false start in track). Also assuming that most HS time are hand timed would take another .24 seconds off of Ben Johnson's time (the hand timed to FAT conversion). To make a real comparison Ben Johnson's 40 yard time during his illegal WR run would be around 3.92 (hand-timed; starting on his own).

I agree though that almost all HS 40 times are not legit. Just found SI's comparison off.
I wouldn't say that that isn't necessarily true.  I would say that hand held times are inaccurate period.  We are talking fractions of a second.  take into account the time it takes to recognizes the start with your eyes and the time it takes to press a button.  we are talking a couple tenths of a second.  when you add in all the variables of reaction time, etc.  the only conclusion you can come to is that it is inaccurate.  the difference on paper between 4.9 and 4.4 is huge. that half a second one way or the other could easily be accounted for by the innaccuarcies of the measurement method.

In conclusion. 40 times are way overrated as a predicator of success.

The actual difference between laser timed and an experienced timer is .24 seconds. This is what is used in track to convert hand times to FAT times.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 07:46:33 pm »

That's a big "if" since most 40 times aren't legit.

From 1998 ...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1013510/index.htm

There is nothing wrong with hand held times, people.  Are they suspect to the reaction of the guy with the watch...sure.  But, for one, a tenth of a second (like the old days) is probably a fair over/under on a 40 yard time.  If they just posted a 4.3 or 4.4 or 4.5 or 4.6, I would say that's not so far off from being a fair representation for a hand held time (as opposed to a 4.33 or 4.55).  Plus, since digital hand timers are used, and the strong possibility of the athlete getting a few hundredths advantage on the start, I don't see anything wrong with boosting a kid's ego by a few hundredths as long as it's to compare his speed this year to last year as long as the guys with the stopwatches are fair and as accurate as they can be.

And as for our 100 meter sprinters, if you take a 9.87 100 meters (even electronic) and do the math to get his 40 time, it's still gonna be fast.  These dudes train to go the full 100m...they usually are guys with great technique and large lungs (check it out)...and are at their fastest during the middle third of the 100m.  JMO.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2010, 08:26:47 pm »

The part about Ben Johnson and his "4.26" is that it is an apples to oranges comparison. Assuming a perfect start you could take .10 off of that time (any reaction time faster than .10 is a false start in track). Also assuming that most HS time are hand timed would take another .24 seconds off of Ben Johnson's time (the hand timed to FAT conversion). To make a real comparison Ben Johnson's 40 yard time during his illegal WR run would be around 3.92 (hand-timed; starting on his own).

I agree though that almost all HS 40 times are not legit. Just found SI's comparison off.
The actual difference between laser timed and an experienced timer is .24 seconds. This is what is used in track to convert hand times to FAT times.

When Reggie Bush worked out at his proday they said he ran a 4.25 hand timed that converted to a 4.32 laser time.  This was just what NFL network was saying, and I know media isnt know for its upright truth, but there is a huge difference in 0.08 and 0.24 seconds. Just dont see where the big discrepancy comes from
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2010, 08:43:04 pm »

The truth comes out in the NFL combine and it does say that hand held times are not accurate.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2010, 09:15:00 pm »

When Reggie Bush worked out at his proday they said he ran a 4.25 hand timed that converted to a 4.32 laser time.  This was just what NFL network was saying, and I know media isnt know for its upright truth, but there is a huge difference in 0.08 and 0.24 seconds. Just dont see where the big discrepancy comes from

I don't know either but I would take the word of the people that came up with the .24 since track is all about time and they have done tons of research on it in order to "convert" handheld times. I guarantee you that NFL Network has not done 1/100 of the research that would need to be done to make it consistent. Anything faster than .1 is not a reaction anyway it is more anticipation.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2010, 11:54:06 am »


The actual difference between laser timed and an experienced timer is .24 seconds. This is what is used in track to convert hand times to FAT times.

I won't argue with you on coversions, but I assume that in reality the "actual" difference varies on who is holding the timer.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2010, 12:00:55 pm »

ok....we all understand hand times are going to be slower then laser times...so, if your hand timing guys, you would have to have real low times for it to be impressive..and if those times are correct...thats freakin fast.  If you played football growing up, and you got out there on the field or track with your teammates and you ran 40 times..and the coaches timed you.  Thats fast, i dont care what it converts to with lasers.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2010, 02:08:27 pm »

That's a big "if" since most 40 times aren't legit.

From 1998 ...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1013510/index.htm
If I'm reading the theme of this thread correctly I believe Hog Fanatic is referring to CURRENT Hogs, not incoming freshmen.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2010, 02:11:12 pm »

Who cares?  Remember what the coaches said when they first got here?  FTS-Feed The Studs!  We've finally got the studs in bulk, not just a DMAC or Matt Jones to carry the team.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2010, 08:46:15 am »

ramon would be a really good corner if he wasnt 5'9. then again leon would be a beast if he had the brains to go along with hes athletic abilty!
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2010, 08:50:16 am »

you can never actually know if its true because coaches get to excited and press the stop button a little to early. laser times are the only ones you can go off of. then again if CBP says ramon ran a 4.33 then i say ramon runs a 4.33 no questions asked
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2010, 09:01:26 am »

I am a bit stunned with the asserted 4.33 time for Broadway.  I like him, and think he's a gamer, but he never looked fast to me.  But, quite obviously we've been having a problem aligning foot speed with game speed.  And, that's my concern, when will that happen?
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2010, 12:21:13 am »

Lou Holtz when asked about a players fast 40yd time "that just means he gets to the wrong place faster than everyone else".
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2010, 09:04:44 am »

ramon would be a really good corner

I watched him try to cover people last year.  That's all I am going to say.

It will be amazing how much slower some of these guys have become by the time they are clocked electronically at the combine. 

Of course these times are bogus.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2010, 10:29:11 am »

I watched him try to cover people last year.  That's all I am going to say.

It will be amazing how much slower some of these guys have become by the time they are clocked electronically at the combine. 

Of course these times are bogus.

Speed will always become useless to technique and failure to carry out your assignment as instructed. Speed will on go so far.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2010, 11:13:09 pm »

when 40 times are listed i just mention barry sanders and jerry rice.  neither had blazing speed.  they just made people miss and arguably are the best in each position.  but 40 times are important because its a good indication of what is possible if they get open!
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2010, 06:05:14 am »

speed allows a "make up" window in which the defender can cover lost ground by one missed step or bad technique....speed can make up for a lot of things, when you are slow, your technique can NEVER fail you
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2010, 12:44:31 pm »

I'll eat my sock if any Razorback player runs faster than a 4.45 in a laser timed 40. Those times aren't realistic...just ask Florida.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2010, 02:49:36 pm »

I'll eat my sock if any Razorback player runs faster than a 4.45 in a laser timed 40. Those times aren't realistic...just ask Florida.
Ask Tebow how fast DD Jones is.
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Re: 40 yard dash times
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2010, 03:45:58 pm »

That's an irrelevant point. I was referencing this:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Fine-we-get-it-Florida-is-fast-There-s-no-nee?urn=ncaaf,147026

It's all hand timed, all there to boost confidence and scare opponents and woo fans. 
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