What is your expectations for Arkansas Razorback Basketball?

[dsims2k3]

There seem to be a big issue with posters bickering and arguing in Jump Ball. Maybe this is because everyone has different expectations of the basketball program. I expect us to be a perennial SEC west power. Winning the West at least every two to three years. We should be second to only Kentucky in overall SEC basketball tradition, therefore the two teams should be very competitive when playing each other. BWA should an intimidating arena every game. These are just MY opinions, nothing more. Its not important to me right now if Pel can put it all  together. I would just like to know what you expect from this program. 

[secfan30]

20+ wins, less than 10 losses every year. NCAA's Every Year and at least 1 or 2 times a decade in the Final 4.

[Pigonometry]

SECW title one out of two years on average.

NCAA tourney at least 8 of 10 years.

Elite Eight at least once every five years.

[Razorod]

win winnable games--whether at home or on the road. good coaches do that.

[dsims2k3]

20+ wins, less than 10 losses every year. NCAA's Every Year and at least 1 or 2 times a decade in the Final 4.

That sounds reasonable

[NWASooner]

Consistent NCAA tournament teams and once every 3-5 years have a really good team.  (I don't want to hear that having a team make the NCAA's is unreasonable.  There are 64 teams.)

Pel is in his 3rd year now and having a bubble team is a pipe dream.

[dsims2k3]

SECW title one out of two years on average.

NCAA tourney at least 8 of 10 years.

Elite Eight at least once every five years.

I strongly agree with winning the SEC west.

[SunshinePumper]

I expect Pel should take us back to the NCAAT by year 5 at the earliest.  Maybe year 6.  But by year 7, he should surely get us back to the NCAAT.  If he can't, then I think it's time to start thinking about letting him go to take the Kentucky job.

[WxHog]

Consistent NCAA Tournament appearances.   A Top 25 team the majority of years.  Win the SEC West about half the time.  Make the Sweet 16 about 3-4 times a decade.   Its sad that most people under the age of 25 can't remember us ever going to the Sweet 16. 

[dsims2k3]

Consistent NCAA tournament teams and once every 3-5 years have a really good team.  (I don't want to hear that having a team make the NCAA's is unreasonable.  There are 64 teams.)

Pel is in his 3rd year now and having a bubble team is a pipe dream.

I feel you on that. We are a legit enough program to make the big dance perennially. We have the facilities at least.

[dsims2k3]

Consistent NCAA Tournament appearances.   A Top 25 team the majority of years.  Win the SEC West about half the time.  Make the Sweet 16 about 3-4 times a decade.   Its sad that most people under the age of 25 can't remember us ever going to the Sweet 16.

Arkansas should be a top 25 program 3 out of 4 years if not every year. That isnt a stretch.

[Mr. Porkleone]

SECW title one out of two years on average.

NCAA tourney at least 8 of 10 years.

Elite Eight at least once every five years.

This should be a must....However, were not the same Arkansas team as in the 90's..

[NWASooner]

OU is a much better program despite having 1/2 the tradition and 1/2 the facilities.

Don't bag on OU, either.  They went to the Elite 8 last year.

[ErieHog]

This should be a must....However, were not the same Arkansas team as in the 90's..

Our program didn't meet those standards at it's absolute pinnacle, winning the first four SEC West division titles of our tenure, and none since; that includes 12 years of Nolan, before it's laid at the feet of other coaches;  when the best coach in the history of the Program goes for a division crown every 3 years, such expectations are more than a bit skewed.

[dsims2k3]

This should be a must....However, were not the same Arkansas team as in the 90's..

That is very true especially if the foundation is set with dominating the SEC west and creating a winning atmosphere at home by packing BWA, I think everything else  will fall into place.

[Hogfan4ever13]

We improved in the SEC this year. Possibly a NIT invite this year. We will be much better next year. SECW and a game or so in the SECT. NCAAT invite. WPS!

[SunshinePumper]

We improved in the SEC this year. Possibly a NIT invite this year. We will be much better next year. SECW and a game or so in the SECT. NCAAT invite. WPS!

Definitely.  Since Arkansas will be the only team getting better with another year of experience under their belt, we have nothing to worry about.  I'm gonna start booking a room for the Final Four next year.

[Red Tusk]

Heres three pages of expectations from the other day.

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=334134.0

I don't expect to lose to Auburn..ever..unless they have a superstar which they don't and haven't for several years.

[dsims2k3]

Our program didn't meet those standards at it's absolute pinnacle, winning the first four SEC West division titles of our tenure, and none since; that includes 12 years of Nolan, before it's laid at the feet of other coaches;  when the best coach in the history of the Program goes for a division crown every 3 years, such expectations are more than a bit skewed.

That is true but the SEC west has been down and wide open recently.

[Hogfan4ever13]

Definitely.  Since Arkansas will be the only team getting better with another year of experience under their belt, we have nothing to worry about.  I'm gonna start booking a room for the Final Four next year.

Ok, but Im afraid you wont be watching Arkansas in the Final Four.

Yes every team should improve next year. Even US!

Thanks for the smite, if it was you.

[WxHog]

I don't expect to lose to Auburn..ever..unless they have a superstar which they don't and haven't for several years.

Exactly.  They haven't had a superstar player since Wesley Person.   That was what...over 15 years ago?

[dsims2k3]

I still consider this to be a down year by my standards, but if we can win the west on a down year that sets up for some big things in the future. The losses to Bama and Auburn shorld be used as teachable moments to correct what went wrong. Thats another expectation.

[dsims2k3]

Exactly.  They haven't had a superstar player since Wesley Person.   That was what...over 15 years ago?

They had that big time forward too a while back, I forgot his name though.

[Red Tusk]

They had that big time forward too a while back, I forgot his name though.

I was thinking Chris Porter back in '99 I think.

[dsims2k3]

I was thinking Chris Porter back in '99 I think.

Yeah, that was his name.

[dsims2k3]

Alabama hasnt been all that good since they had Rod Grizzard.

[Red Tusk]

Alabama hasnt been all that good since they had Rod Grizzard.

Shame that they're probably saying the same thing about us except they'd say Brewer or Johnson.

[Knot2brite]

Shame that they're probably saying the same thing about us except they'd say Brewer or Johnson.

We werent that good when we had those two.

[Red Tusk]

We werent that good when we had those two.

You're probably right..guess its Corliss. And thats real, real sad.

[gatecrasher]

NCAA TOURNAMENT FIXTURE...

At the very least.

[chiefhawg]

I have come to expect to be entertained until spring football starts and a trip to Omaha.

[DoubleJ]

I expected to beat a bad Auburn team.

[revolution]

I expect us not to suck.  I expect Arkansas to dominate the West and compete for overall SEC titles every year.  I expect that our defense won't cause me to ask, "What the hell is that?"

First or second in the West every year!
Top three in the SEC every year!
NCAA's every year!
Perennial Sweet Sixteen!
Occasional Final Four appearances (maybe 2 a decade?)!

[Hogz87]

20+ wins, less than 10 losses every year. NCAA's Every Year and at least 1 or 2 times a decade in the Final 4.

You just described realistic expectations for a fan of a program with more tradition and prestige than Arkansas.  What puts this over the top is the 1 or 2 Final Fours every decade. 

I expect Pel should take us back to the NCAAT by year 5 at the earliest.  Maybe year 6.  But by year 7, he should surely get us back to the NCAAT.  If he can't, then I think it's time to start thinking about letting him go to take the Kentucky job.

Instead of getting on every thread and saying nothing but negative things over and over again, with empty arguments/defensive posts, why don't you actually provide us with a post of substance, and tell us your expectations?  I'm sure they are on the level of UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, and Kentucky fans, but I would still love to hear them.

I don't expect to lose to Auburn..ever..unless they have a superstar which they don't and haven't for several years.

Yes, because it's completely unfathomable to think a team can be good without a superstar player, or at least a good NBA prospect. 


My expectations have been covered in some posts already in some fashion.  I expect us to be a consistent NCAAT team; missing the NCAAT once every four or five years wouldn't be the end of the world; contending and winning the West once every 5 years or so and being a consistent top 25 program; and once a decade or so, having a team talented enough to make an Elite 8 run or better.

[Hogz87]

I expect that our defense won't cause me to ask, "What the hell is that?"

That's going to be a problem even if you're a fan of a perennial top 5 program.

[Hogfan4ever13]

That's going to be a problem even if you're a fan of a perennial top 5 program.

I agree..

[Red Tusk]

The thing is..those top 5 programs aren't asking themselves that for long. Corrections are made..plans are put in place.

But we've been saying, "what the he#$ is that.'' all       year     long.

[Hogz87]

The thing is..those top 5 programs aren't asking themselves that for long. Corrections are made..plans are put in place.

But we've been saying, "what the he#$ is that.'' all       year     long.

And we aren't a perennial top 5 program.  There is a HUGE difference between a Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, UCLA, etc. and Arkansas.  We are a borderline top 15 program (all-time) and the sooner people can realize that just because we are considered a top 25 program in historic terms, doesn't mean we should be competing for a conference championship and making Sweet 16 runs every year. 

[FraggleHog]

Said this on the other thread:

This year: NIT

Next Year: NCAAs

We've got the talent boys. Pel proved he is better than 2-14.

[SunshinePumper]

Said this on the other thread:

This year: NIT

Next Year: NCAAs

We've got the talent boys. Pel proved he is better than 2-14.

So many contradictions in one post.

1)  NIT is not a lock
2)  NCAA next year is not a lock
3)  Pel is what his record says he is, a .550 coach that shows he has the potential to only win 2 conference games out of 17 in the same season.

[Hogz87]

So many contradictions in one post.

1)  NIT is not a lock
2)  NCAA next year is not a lock
3)  Pel is what his record says he is, a .550 coach that shows he has the potential to only win 2 conference games out of 17 in the same season.

I bet UNC and UConn thought the NCAA tournament was a "lock" for them this year, too, but that didn't quite work out did it?  The thing is, even when you're a top 5-10 program you can't think or expect the NCAAT to be a lock every year.



I'm waiting for your response to my earlier post.

What are your expectations from our basketball program?

[Hogfan4ever13]

I bet UNC and UConn thought the NCAA tournament was a "lock" for them this year, too, but that didn't quite work out did it?  The thing is, even when you're a top 5-10 program you can't think or expect the NCAAT to be a lock every year.



I'm waiting for your response to my earlier post.

What are your expectations from our basketball program?

Ill answer it for him, he expects Pel to be fired and Anderson to be named our coach.

[Red Tusk]

And we aren't a perennial top 5 program.  There is a HUGE difference between a Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, UCLA, etc. and Arkansas.  We are a borderline top 15 program (all-time) and the sooner people can realize that just because we are considered a top 25 program in historic terms, doesn't mean we should be competing for a conference championship and making Sweet 16 runs every year. 

I expect our coach to make those corrections and put plans in place to prevent the perimeter onslaught we took tonight because it wasn't the first time..
Do you?
As for the top 5-10 references..I expect the Hogs to get back there, and its not unreasonable.

[Hogz87]

As for the top 5-10 references..I expect the Hogs to get back there, and its not unreasonable.

If you expect that from our program on a yearly basis, then yes, it is unreasonable.  We have one great run in the early to mid 90's, some pretty high high's in the 70's, ups and downs in the 80's, and now people like you think we should be a top 10 program every year.  Get a grip!

[Red Tusk]

If you expect that from our program on a yearly basis, then yes, it is unreasonable.  We have one great run in the early to mid 90's, some pretty high high's in the 70's, ups and downs in the 80's, and now people like you think we should be a top 10 program every year.  Get a grip!

I said get back there. I expect top 25 each year at the least.
Thats not a far cry from what your expectations are...but..I can tell that this coach isn't going to get us there.
I've been wishing, waiting , hoping ,praying that he would prove me wrong...

[HognotinMemphis]

My expectation is that the Hogs will never contend for an SECC while Pelphrey is the HC.

[SunshinePumper]

I expect the hogs to not have an RPI in the 130s late in the season. 

I expect the hogs to not lose to ETSU, Morgan State, South Alabama at home.

I expect the hogs to not need overtime to beat Appalachian state after LOSING to them the year before.

I expect the hogs to not give up inbounds play, unguarded, game winning dunks after calling not one, but TWO timeouts to set up the defense against a scrub opponent.

I expect the hogs to never go 2-15 in the SEC in any year. 

I expect the hogs to not set records for largest margin of loss.

I expect the hogs to not hire a .500 sunbelt coach ever again.

I expect John pelphrey to win with his own players and not take 5 years to even get back to the level of Stan Heath.

I expect Huggers to stop blaming losses on "the other team was just hot tonight"

[SunshinePumper]

I guess the huggers have no response to my expectations.

[Knot2brite]

No we get it. You have unrealistic expectations and as long as you have them you are going to bitch and moan and make a fool of yourself. I can already hear your comeback. I am a fan who embraces mediocrity or settles for lowered expectations. No skippy I am a person that realizes that we have the same record as UNC except we are at the top of our side of the conference and they arent. Eat that!

[secfan30]

No we get it. You have unrealistic expectations and as long as you have them you are going to bitch and moan and make a fool of yourself. I can already hear your comeback. I am a fan who embraces mediocrity or settles for lowered expectations. No skippy I am a person that realizes that we have the same record as UNC except we are at the top of our side of the conference and they arent. Eat that!

What is UNC's record the last 2 years prior to this 1 year drop off? I think most of our expectations are realistic. I know mine are, 20+ wins every year. Considering 30ish are played before the NCAAT that's more than realistic.