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Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« on: October 18, 2009, 12:18:30 am »

Ask the NBA...

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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2009, 12:22:38 am »

You really gotta think the refs in the Fla / Ark game displayed some very suspicious behaviour in todays game.  Even Gary Danielson said several times that he highly disagreed with some of the calls that were going against ARK.  He called the refs out on 4 penalties.........the late hit on Mallet, the PI on Broadway....the Personal Foul on Malcom Sheppard and the Offensive PI on Riley Cooper on Flas last drive.  I dont like Danielson much, but I gotta give him props for saying the refs were hosing us
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2009, 12:24:19 am »

Honestly, being a high school official, I would have said no way yesterday.  But, Florida's last TD drive was a joke.  The pass interference call was bad...the personal foul on Sheppard was worse.  The officials gave Florida a touchdown.  Also, there were numerous blatant holds that Florida was not flagged for.  Not to mention the no-call on the offensive pass interference.  So, to answer your question, 99% of games are not fixed.  But, this has to be one of those 1% games.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2009, 12:25:42 am »

I doubt millions of dollars are riding on the outcomes of 99% of high school games....

just sayin'
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2009, 12:26:30 am »

Generally speaking I don't believe so, but I do think sometimes officials get caught up with the home crowd or have an agenda in the back of their mind. 

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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2009, 12:28:12 am »

I don't think "fix" is the right word as it relates to this game. I do, believe, with all my heart, that there is an SEC and CBS conspiracy working to keep the top rated teams, the prestige teams, the money teams, on top. An unheralded Arkansas team, or any underdog, knocking off a Florida or Alabama is bad business.

Think about it? The refs are under extreme pressure to keep Florida undefeated and atop the national polls. There's too much money at stake.  CBS and SEC are in bed together. No undefeated, top ranked Florida or Alabama is bad for ratings.
Think about it?  The refs threw the flags to help Florida win.
It's a downright shame but it's true!
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2009, 12:28:38 am »

You know.....its sad.....but......you have an excellent point...theres huge money involved in college sports.

I doubt millions of dollars are riding on the outcomes of 99% of high school games....

just sayin'
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2009, 09:08:49 am »

Was it true that CBS used Florida's team colors for those computer generated lines on the field that mark the 1st down and line of scrimmage? Was the bias that obvious ??
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2009, 09:56:29 am »

To answer the question: No, I don't believe the refs "fix" games; however, it's very obvious to all of us that yesterday in particular they had a major influence on the outcome of a game. Having said that, and smite me if you must, I won't use that as the only reason to have fallen short of the win.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2009, 10:07:20 am »

Hell yes!
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2009, 10:15:01 am »

Perhaps a better question is "Do conferences fix games?"
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2009, 10:58:23 am »

They did yesterday.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2009, 12:09:43 pm »

Money, money, money, money. Money! That's what it is all about. Don't kid yourself otherwise at that level.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2009, 12:14:08 pm »

its awfully convenient that the bcs standings come out today and when the game was on the line they gave out ridiculous penalties. protect your money makers. we have to play a very clean game and flat out outscore folks to beat the refs
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2009, 12:14:54 pm »

I doubt millions of dollars are riding on the outcomes of 99% of high school games....

just sayin'
I don't believe he was referening to to millions and high school so cut him some slack.  His remarks just stated he was a high school ref and thus refs tend to stick up for other refs.  I am a retired high school and college ref and up until yesterday I have always stuck up for refs because I don't believe they have an agenda.  Yesterday the refs completely changed the outcome of the game.  Was there a fix in?  I don't believe so.  Were they completely incompetent?  A very big YES.  They should not be assigned any more games this season.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2009, 12:15:21 pm »

I've always tried to avoid the conspiracy theories, but there's no doubt in my mind that we were intentionally screwed by the refs. We can't win close games in the SEC. We have to blow away our opponents.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2009, 05:02:37 pm »

That question was answered with a resounding "YES" at the Florida game.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2009, 05:09:18 pm »

Does a bear Sh*t in the woods ?
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2009, 05:52:36 pm »

DO you really beieve the SEC would risk all it is, all it has, and all it will have, by fixing the outcome of a game?
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2009, 05:53:56 pm »

DO you really beieve the SEC would risk all it is, all it has, and all it will have, by fixing the outcome of a game?


With millions on the line.  Yes
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2009, 06:10:04 pm »

DO you really beieve the SEC would risk all it is, all it has, and all it will have, by fixing the outcome of a game?

Absolutely.  See...Ken Lay, Bernard Maydoff, Dennis Kozlowski, Richard Whitney....the list goes on.  Rich people want one thing...to become richer.  Greed will do funny things to a man...or Collegiate Football Conference. 
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2009, 06:14:54 pm »

There is no conspiracy theory at work. If anything, it's a subconscious thing where refs favor top players and teams.

Jordan could be breathed on by a defender and he'd be a the foul line. Top pitchers can throw a ball six inches off the plate and it's a strike, rookie throws on in exact same spot and it's a ball.

But it's not overt. Nobody from the league office ordered the refs to make those poor calls. There is simply too much to risk getting caught, and getting caught would cost the league a lot more money than Arkansas upsetting Florida.

That said, I'm disappointed nobody has tied this into the Arthur Blank/Home Depot/ESPN conspiracy against Petrino. If you're going to go out on a conspiracy limb, really step away from the trunk!
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2009, 06:19:31 pm »

Seeing is believing.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2009, 06:21:34 pm »

There is no conspiracy theory at work. If anything, it's a subconscious thing where refs favor top players and teams.

Jordan could be breathed on by a defender and he'd be a the foul line. Top pitchers can throw a ball six inches off the plate and it's a strike, rookie throws on in exact same spot and it's a ball.

But it's not overt. Nobody from the league office ordered the refs to make those poor calls. There is simply too much to risk getting caught, and getting caught would cost the league a lot more money than Arkansas upsetting Florida.

That said, I'm disappointed nobody has tied this into the Arthur Blank/Home Depot/ESPN conspiracy against Petrino. If you're going to go out on a conspiracy limb, really step away from the trunk!

Thats one opinion. OR the game was fixed. I think it was fixed.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2009, 06:29:57 pm »

There is no conspiracy theory at work. If anything, it's a subconscious thing where refs favor top players and teams.

Jordan could be breathed on by a defender and he'd be a the foul line. Top pitchers can throw a ball six inches off the plate and it's a strike, rookie throws on in exact same spot and it's a ball.

But it's not overt. Nobody from the league office ordered the refs to make those poor calls. There is simply too much to risk getting caught, and getting caught would cost the league a lot more money than Arkansas upsetting Florida.

That said, I'm disappointed nobody has tied this into the Arthur Blank/Home Depot/ESPN conspiracy against Petrino. If you're going to go out on a conspiracy limb, really step away from the trunk!

I'm not saying the game was fixed.  I have a hard time believing that. But you can't deny that the SEC has a vested interest in seeing that Alabama or Florida make it to the National Championship.  I wouldn't be surprised if pressure on these refs would cause them to look the other way on many, many holding calls, and perhaps jump to blow the whistle a bit to soon if it helps Florida, Bama and the status quo. 
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2009, 06:38:21 pm »

There is no conspiracy theory at work. If anything, it's a subconscious thing where refs favor top players and teams.

Jordan could be breathed on by a defender and he'd be a the foul line. Top pitchers can throw a ball six inches off the plate and it's a strike, rookie throws on in exact same spot and it's a ball.

But it's not overt. Nobody from the league office ordered the refs to make those poor calls. There is simply too much to risk getting caught, and getting caught would cost the league a lot more money than Arkansas upsetting Florida.

That said, I'm disappointed nobody has tied this into the Arthur Blank/Home Depot/ESPN conspiracy against Petrino. If you're going to go out on a conspiracy limb, really step away from the trunk!

This is exactly what I believe happens in these type of situations.  The refs are looking for things.  One of the most important rules of being a ref is not to anticipate penalties.  It looked yesterday that they were anticipating for Arkansas to blow up and commit penalties.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2009, 06:55:32 pm »

exactly.......this makes way too much sense for a lot of folks on here....
There is no conspiracy theory at work. If anything, it's a subconscious thing where refs favor top players and teams.

Jordan could be breathed on by a defender and he'd be a the foul line. Top pitchers can throw a ball six inches off the plate and it's a strike, rookie throws on in exact same spot and it's a ball.

But it's not overt. Nobody from the league office ordered the refs to make those poor calls. There is simply too much to risk getting caught, and getting caught would cost the league a lot more money than Arkansas upsetting Florida.

That said, I'm disappointed nobody has tied this into the Arthur Blank/Home Depot/ESPN conspiracy against Petrino. If you're going to go out on a conspiracy limb, really step away from the trunk!
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2009, 06:56:11 pm »

good god....
When one gets caught, the formerly "elite referee" goes to prison and the NBA calls him a "Rogue Official." 
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2009, 06:59:54 pm »


 The refs are looking for things.  One of the most important rules of being a ref is not to anticipate penalties.  It looked yesterday that they were anticipating for Arkansas to blow up and commit penalties.


Many of us at the Texas A&M game in Dallas, commented on how nice it was having a set of referees (non-SEC) that did not insert themselves into the game beyond just enforcing the rules.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2009, 07:05:08 pm »

well, you insinuated he wasnt rogue.....do you have proof he wasn't?  You think the NBA wouldnt want a "ring" of dishonest refs caught?
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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2009, 07:17:26 pm »

Well lets see here  we had 10 penalties for 92 yards

they had 3 for 16 yards   

NAHHH  Refs always call it correct!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2009, 07:19:17 pm »

nope im saying the nba would want it discovered.....you're saying b/c there is one NBA official involved in that activity, there must be more than one involved...im saying thats not necessarily the case....
Please cite a source where the NBA caught a dirty ref instead of the cops.  Lol.  Or any league for that matter.  Do you know how much money is wagered on sports in this country?  I think that you are being a little naive.
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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2009, 07:30:49 pm »

Please cite a source where the NBA caught a dirty ref instead of the cops.  Lol.  Or any league for that matter.  Do you know how much money is wagered on sports in this country?  I think that you are being a little naive.

Here's the problem with this theory, the betting line wasn't in play yesterday. A call here or there wouldn't have affected the spread (perhaps the halftime number, but not the total).

So for this theory to hold water, you have to believe the SEC has planned from Day 1 this season to get Florida and Tebow into the national title game. In that case, the league office had to have instructed at least one SEC official per crew to intentionally favor Florida. But even with such a masterminded conspiracy, Arkansas still almost beat Florida.

If it is a conspiracy  (and it's absurd to believe there is one), it was poorly executed on Saturday to allow Arkansas to even be within a play of winning the game.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2009, 07:35:38 pm »

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If it is a conspiracy  (and it's absurd to believe there is one), it was poorly executed on Saturday to allow Arkansas to even be within a play of winning the game.

If Florida doesn't fumble twice in the red zone, it would have been a very different story- they screwed up their own chances (as did we).  A ref conspiracy is far more effective in a close game than in a blowout.  So what if the spread of this game itself isn't affected- the HUGE money is in getting traditional powers into big bowl games.

I don't blame the refs for the result, we blew enough of our own chances.

That said, without the two penalties, no call, and mystery yard everyone is talking about, I think the game AT LEAST goes into overtime.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2009, 07:45:38 pm »

I don't think "fix" is the right word as it relates to this game. I do, believe, with all my heart, that there is an SEC and CBS conspiracy working to keep the top rated teams, the prestige teams, the money teams, on top. An unheralded Arkansas team, or any underdog, knocking off a Florida or Alabama is bad business.

Think about it? The refs are under extreme pressure to keep Florida undefeated and atop the national polls. There's too much money at stake.  CBS and SEC are in bed together. No undefeated, top ranked Florida or Alabama is bad for ratings.
Think about it?  The refs threw the flags to help Florida win.
It's a downright shame but it's true!
^^ This. Been saying it all day. The fact of the matter is that it is in the best interest of the SEC and CBS to have both FL. & Bama get to that SEC Championship game undefeated, ranked 1 & 2. Now we have no way of knowing if that wish has trickled down to the officials, but yesterday sure makes you think it is possible.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2009, 07:55:57 pm »

OMG, you are a sports reporter, right?   You can bet the straight-up winner of any game.  I was told yesterday that the odds of Arkansas winning was 14-1 against.

No, you don't.

Or, they could just use the same crew when they need to ensure that the right team wins.  See LSU/GA.  You should be more careful when you use words like 'absurd.'

It is absurd to believe in this conspiracy theory. It's also a silly, stupid and unrealistic theory.

Arkansas got hosed. No doubt. But not because of a grand conspiracy to keep Florida unbeaten. 
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2009, 08:17:31 pm »

An honest, yet stupid ref. Yes.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2009, 08:54:44 pm »

An honest, yet stupid ref. Yes.

No Scott, the SEC is going to risk their BILLION dollar tv deal by making sure FL gets back to the NC game..................LOL.

The SEC is most likely going to get 2 teams in the BCS, and certainly one, but that money is pocket change when compared to the tv deals the SEC, but, i read it on hogville, the SEC fixed that game for some reason. 

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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2009, 10:02:45 pm »

Do I believe refs fix games?   Lets see,  If they go into a game looking to call penalties on one team and overlook penalties on the other - that just might be construed trying to fix a game.  Is it going to work 100% of the time, no because even the officials don't know when turnovers are going to happen to influence the game or a player happens to break free for a score unexpectedly.   However, they can make it a lot more difficult for one team to win than the other and that is exactly what we saw yesterday.   They can completely ignore penalties that would have put Florida in long distance situations that are hard for any team to make but call anything close on the Hogs to make things easier for the Gators.  Any neutral observer of that game yesterday would have no problem seeing the bias in how the calls were being made in that game and you saw that with the outcry from fans all over the country that had no vested interest in the two teams blasting the calls that were made.  That crew has no business ever calling another game in the SEC but I bet you that Slive and his crew has them assigned to another big tv game before the year is out.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2009, 10:12:48 pm »

DO you really beieve the SEC would risk all it is, all it has, and all it will have, by fixing the outcome of a game?

They sure did on this one.   The prize of undeated Florida vs an undefeated Alabama in the SEC championship game was too great to pass up.   This guarantees the SEC of having a berth in the BCS title game.     Thus Florida had to win.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2009, 10:18:11 pm »

They sure did on this one.   The prize of undeated Florida vs an undefeated Alabama in the SEC championship game was too great to pass up.   This guarantees the SEC of having a berth in the BCS title game.     Thus Florida had to win.

Then, to follow that to its logical conclusion, EVERY FL and Bama game is fixed, because that is the only way to GUARANTEE a Fl/Bama matchup.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2009, 10:23:34 pm »

Then, to follow that to its logical conclusion, EVERY FL and Bama game is fixed, because that is the only way to GUARANTEE a Fl/Bama matchup.

Can you really be this dumb?   Follow the money.    It's all about ratings and the money.    If the Arkansas - Fla game was going to be close, then Florida was going to get a little help.   They needed just a bit more than a little help, though.

 I'd say there's a good chance Bama and Florida will both win out.   Bama is that good and Florida's schedule really favors it.    Bama is better.     

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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2009, 10:29:48 pm »

What I know, is that the Sheppard call was totally illegitimate.  Was it because the ref is a Gator fan?  Probably not.  Was it because the casinos rigged it for the money line?  Maybe.   Was it because the SEC-BCS - TV big business deals?  Probably.

Why don't you explain that call to us, Hugger?

The Sheppard call was horrible, I have not said the game did not have bad calls, EVERY GAME has bad calls.  What I am saying is that there is a HUGE difference between humans making bad calls, and FIXING games, either by the refs or the league. 
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2009, 10:30:06 pm »

I don't think "fix" is the right word as it relates to this game. I do, believe, with all my heart, that there is an SEC and CBS conspiracy working to keep the top rated teams, the prestige teams, the money teams, on top. An unheralded Arkansas team, or any underdog, knocking off a Florida or Alabama is bad business.

Think about it? The refs are under extreme pressure to keep Florida undefeated and atop the national polls. There's too much money at stake.  CBS and SEC are in bed together. No undefeated, top ranked Florida or Alabama is bad for ratings.
Think about it?  The refs threw the flags to help Florida win.
It's a downright shame but it's true!

I'm going to say no.  The fix is not in.  What I do think is that these refs have a natural bias for the powerhouse team (as they always have...The Longhorns, The Tide, The Trojans, ect...) against the less likely team.  Meaning, they will see things the underdog does that they overlook when it's the big dog even to the point where its a "quick" judgment call i.e. Sheppard's awesome defensive love tap on the on coming cheap shot by FL.  If you will think back to ALL the games you've seen where the supposed dynasty has played you'll remember some other calls that went their way.  We, the Razorbacks, are fortunate year in and year out to be just dangerous enough to put up a good fight against some of these other dynasty type teams.  So, we have had the gut wrenching misfortune to be on the losing end of these "HORRIBLE" calls.  We will never be the Conference favorite.  We were the only team in the SWC not in Texas and we are the "Outsider" in the SEC and we would be if we joined the Big 12.  It's our cross to bare.  What makes me pround is to be part of a program (Fans are part of a program) that has been able to take them all on and sometimes come out on top at a given time.  We will put it together and be so good the bad calls won't hurt enough to lose the game for us.  The refs are going to be "star struck" by the Floridas, Alabamas and the USCs of the world.  That's life.  The Razorbacks will keep whipping their a$$es even if sometimes the score doesn't show it.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2009, 10:30:59 pm »

Crap just think..... if you could get away with it what would you do?
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2009, 10:34:29 pm »

Plus, if the refs wanted to fix the game, they could have made tons more betting the Hogs straight up, it like 14-1 odds on that.
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2009, 10:35:07 pm »

We will never be the Conference favorite.  We were the only team in the SWC not in Texas and we are the "Outsider" in the SEC and we would be if we joined the Big 12.  It's our cross to bare.  What makes me pround is to be part of a program (Fans are part of a program) that has been able to take them all on and sometimes come out on top at a given time.  We will put it together and be so good the bad calls won't hurt enough to lose the game for us.  The refs are going to be "star struck" by the Floridas, Alabamas and the USCs of the world.  That's life.  The Razorbacks will keep whipping their a$$es even if sometimes the score doesn't show it.

And we wonder how Hootie lasted 10 years at Arkansas?!!!!!      I know you love the Hogs and are a great fan, but I've got news for you, HogsbyBirth.     We don't tolerate Mediocrity around here anymore!    Bobby Petrino is our coach now.   MFR!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2009, 10:43:13 pm »

I've always tried to avoid the conspiracy theories, but there's no doubt in my mind that we were intentionally screwed by the refs. We can't win close games in the SEC. We have to blow away our opponents.

Then how did we manage to win over LSU last year by one point? And beat them when they were #1 in OT?
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2009, 10:44:58 pm »

When is the last time you saw a player called for a personal foul for defending himself when he is about to be decleated 20 yards behind the play???  Not only did he defend himself, all he did was deliver a legal blow RIGHT in front of another official watching the play who did absolutely nothing to have the flag picked up!!!   Bad calls happen, everyone agrees on that.  But that was not a bad call, that call was so bad that even the announcers couldn't explain why it was called.  Now if we hadn't already had every late hit by Florida completely ignored, every late hit out of bounds ignored, the time clock expiring ignored, the offensive pass interference ignored, every holding call on the Gators offensive line completely ignored, people on here might not be so suspicious of the disparity in how the game was called.  But when you add in the total body of work on how that game was officiated you have absolutely no ground to be on here calling out posters and trying to act like it is unbelievable for fans to be questioning the integrity of that crew and the SEC.  Especially when it is the same crew that completely embarassed the league only two weeks ago on national tv in the Georgia/LSU game.  How stupid can Slive and Redding be to assign the crew that had to be called out in the national media by the SEC office to officiate the #1 team in the country on national tv again???   Makes you wonder if these officials were really disciplined or not doesn't it???  I mean, would you think any company in the world would put employees in a position of high visability after they had completely embarassed the company only two weeks earlier???   Not a chance!  They would be assigned to matters of lesser importance until their performance had been proven to be beyond reproach.


The Sheppard call was horrible, I have not said the game did not have bad calls, EVERY GAME has bad calls.  What I am saying is that there is a HUGE difference between humans making bad calls, and FIXING games, either by the refs or the league. 
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Re: Do Refs Ever Really "Fix" Games?
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2009, 10:46:23 pm »

I've always tried to avoid the conspiracy theories, but there's no doubt in my mind that we were intentionally screwed by the refs. We can't win close games in the SEC. We have to blow away our opponents.

Then how did we manage to win over LSU last year by one point? And beat them when they were #1 in OT?
I'm not saying the game was fixed.  I have a hard time believing that. But you can't deny that the SEC has a vested interest in seeing that Alabama or Florida make it to the National Championship.  I wouldn't be surprised if pressure on these refs would cause them to look the other way on many, many holding calls, and perhaps jump to blow the whistle a bit to soon if it helps Florida, Bama and the status quo. 


If that be true, then why did they not see that Florida beat Ole Miss last year?
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