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HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« on: October 05, 2005, 08:50:42 am »

SEC and Top 25 teams records (to present) Under Nutt


Alabama 4-4
LSU 3-4
Auburn 4-3
Ole Miss 4-3
MSU 6-1



Georgia 0-4
Florida 0-2
South Carolina 5-2
Tenn  1-4
Kentucky 2-2
Vandy 0-1

Michigan 0-1
Texas 2-1
Oklahoma 0-1
Minn 0-1
So Cal  0-1 (I completely forgot that one) :D

Mizzou 1-0


vs SEC West  (21-15)
vs SEC East  (8-15)


Check my math, but I think that's right.

« Last Edit: October 06, 2005, 10:24:18 am by mikeyg31 »
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2005, 09:11:58 am »

I posted this per a caller on Press Row this morning.  Bo and Mike didn't seem to know the stats (Bo "isn't into stats"  :( ), so I figured I would post them on the board..


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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2005, 09:20:29 am »

SEC and Top 25 teams records (to present) Under Nutt


Alabama 4-4
LSU 3-4
Auburn 4-3
Ole Miss 4-3
MSU 6-1



Georgia 0-4
Florida 0-2
South Carolina 5-2
Tenn  1-4
Kentucky 2-2
Vandy 0-1

Michigan 0-1
Texas 2-1
Oklahoma 0-1
Minn 0-1

Mizzou 1-0


vs SEC West (21-15)
vs SEC East (8-15)


Check my math, but I think that's right.



What are all the SEC teams records for the last 8 years plus against any top 25 teams?

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2005, 09:22:07 am »

1 more reason to

FIRE HDN!!!


i 2nd that.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2005, 09:26:15 am »

Same info, just rearranged by leading, tie, or trailing the series. Shows we lead over some weaker opponents with TU the exception. We struggle against the upper tier teams, with the exception of Vandy is definitely not upper tier.

Mizzou 1-0
MSU 6-1
South Carolina 5-2
Auburn 4-3
Ole Miss 4-3
Texas 2-1

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Alabama 4-4
Kentucky 2-2

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LSU 3-4
Tenn  1-4
Florida 0-2
Vandy 0-1
Georgia 0-4
Oklahoma 0-1
Minn 0-1
Michigan 0-1

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2005, 10:47:07 am »

Same info, just rearranged by leading, tie, or trailing the series. Shows we lead over some weaker opponents with TU the exception. We struggle against the upper tier teams, with the exception of Vandy is definitely not upper tier.

Mizzou 1-0
MSU 6-1
South Carolina 5-2
Auburn 4-3
Ole Miss 4-3
Texas 2-1

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Alabama 4-4
Kentucky 2-2

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LSU 3-4
Tenn 1-4
Florida 0-2
Vandy 0-1
Georgia 0-4
Oklahoma 0-1
Minn 0-1
Michigan 0-1

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So against the powers in the west (LSU, AL, Auburn), we are about even. against the Powers in the east we are weak. I think you would see similar stats from the west teams. I'll bet you would see a relatively close record between FL, TN, And GA. So what does that prove? that we are comparable to the other teams in the West.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2005, 10:50:30 am »

I heard that this morning and almost spit out my coffee laughing. Bo was backpeddling faster than a 3rd string corner covering Randy Moss.

What I find amazing is he pulled out the "You've got to get there to lose" card when the caller mentioned the CCG loss. How many times has Bo ripped Tennessee and Oklahoma for losing title games? Standards boys, we need standards. Can't rip other teams for choking when we don't take full advantage of our shots.

What is the story about Bo quitting Press Row? I figure it's a joke but you never know.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2005, 11:18:04 am »


I disagree. While HDN's play calling over the years has became more and more reserved I don't think we are mediocre. Young and inexperienced but not mediocre. Arkansas ranks 32nd in the nation as a Div1 school for winning %'s from 1998 - 2005. Alabama for that time period ranks 53rd. I agree with what BuschHawg said that we are on par against West teams and down agsint teams of the East. I am trying to compile a database that will help compare Win/Loss vs West/East for all SEC teams to compare histories. I think you will find his statement correct.

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2005, 11:26:49 am »


I disagree. While HDN's play calling over the years has became more and more reserved I don't think we are mediocre. Young and inexperienced but not mediocre. Arkansas ranks 32nd in the nation as a Div1 school for winning %'s from 1998 - 2005. Alabama for that time period ranks 53rd. I agree with what BuschHawg said that we are on par against West teams and down agsint teams of the East. I am trying to compile a database that will help compare Win/Loss vs West/East for all SEC teams to compare histories. I think you will find his statement correct.

John

Well we all have an opinion. Mine is based on facts. 29-30 over 8 years in the SEC ain't anything but mediocre. that's my definition and I'm sticking with it. Oh and 5-6 last year and a 1-3 start this year with a loss to league doormat Vandy and a blowout loss to USC doesn't support your definition.

We are one game off the schedule. Do you agree?

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2005, 11:28:19 am »


Alabama is 30 - 27 in the SEC from 1998 - 2005. Are they mediocre?

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2005, 11:31:04 am »


I disagree. While HDN's play calling over the years has became more and more reserved I don't think we are mediocre. Young and inexperienced but not mediocre. Arkansas ranks 32nd in the nation as a Div1 school for winning %'s from 1998 - 2005. Alabama for that time period ranks 53rd. I agree with what BuschHawg said that we are on par against West teams and down agsint teams of the East. I am trying to compile a database that will help compare Win/Loss vs West/East for all SEC teams to compare histories. I think you will find his statement correct.

John

Well we all have an opinion. Mine is based on facts. 29-30 over 8 years in the SEC ain't anything but mediocre. that's my definition and I'm sticking with it. Oh and 5-6 last year and a 1-3 start this year with a loss to league doormat Vandy and a blowout loss to USC doesn't support your definition.

By the way it's 29-28 in the SEC from 1998-2005. Your figures are off.

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2005, 11:37:53 am »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently.  This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period.  Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind.  Just my opinion. 
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2005, 11:42:33 am »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.


True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2005, 11:44:47 am »

By the way if you take away the wins over South Carolina, nutt is 3-15 versus the SEC East.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2005, 11:45:20 am »

How about this:

Teams like LSU, BAMA and Auburn were all mostly down when HDN first got here, they have all took their programs to a higher level in a shorter period of time than HDN has.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2005, 11:52:28 am »

me·di·o·cre
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average: adequate but not very good 


Unfortunately, according to the definition, 5-6, and 1-3 is not even mediocre.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2005, 11:54:20 am »

me·di·o·cre
adjective
 
average: adequate but not very good 


Unfortunately, according to the definition, 5-6, and 1-3 is not even mediocre.

You know what they say:

"Wait till next year"

Heck Rick S. is already saying "Wait 2 more years"
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2005, 11:57:52 am »



Here are some #'s for the SEC from 1998-2004.

Win % Gms W/L

Alabama
0.526 57 30 27
Arkansas
0.509 57 29 28
Auburn
0.569 58 33 25
Florida
0.759 58 44 14
Geogria
0.707 58 41 17
Kentucky
0.250 56 14 42
LSU
0.569 58 33 25
Ole Miss
0.500 56 28 28
MS
0.368 57 21 36
SC
0.339 56 19 37
TN
0.763 59 45 14
Vandy
0.107 56 6 50
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2005, 12:03:05 pm »

I wouldn't compare us to Bama from 98-05 considering they went through a severe probation and have now already rebounded and are good again.

You just cannot be a coach in the SEC with such firm(stubborn) ideas, get worse every year, and expect to keep your job.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2005, 12:09:27 pm »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.

True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.



We're young every year.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2005, 12:22:34 pm »



Here are some #'s for the SEC from 1998-2004.

Win % Gms W/L

Alabama
0.526 57 30 27
Arkansas
0.509 57 29 28
Auburn
0.569 58 33 25
Florida
0.759 58 44 14
Geogria
0.707 58 41 17
Kentucky
0.250 56 14 42
LSU
0.569 58 33 25
Ole Miss
0.500 56 28 28
MS
0.368 57 21 36
SC
0.339 56 19 37
TN
0.763 59 45 14
Vandy
0.107 56 6 50


Those numbers are all well and good but, don't forget we lost to Kentucky and Vandy at home.
I'd say that makes us worse than mediocre.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2005, 01:02:23 pm »

How about 28-31 if you count one of those victories over Bama as a loss?  They forfeited one game to us because of their probation.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2005, 01:08:41 pm »

No were not young every year. And all these down years that LSU, Bama, and whoever else has had is valid but since Arkansas has a down year it's not valid? Young, Yes. Middle of the road, if that's what you want to call it. But if you don't like HDN then that's fine. But don't start labeling us bad 'cause we're 1&3. Give up if you want. I think most arguments here stem from the fact that people don't like HDN, so negatives are brought to the forefront.

What links can you give that shows HDN's record at 29-29? All I find are 29-28.

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2005, 01:22:10 pm »


98-99
9/3
6/2 SEC

99-00
8/4
4/4 SEC

00-01
7/5
4/4

01-02
7/5
4/4 SEC

02-03
9/5
5/4 SEC (SECC)

03-04
9/4
4/4

04-05
5/6
3/5 SEC

TOTAL:
29/27 SEC
54/30 OVERALL

Am I missing something?

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2005, 01:27:20 pm »

How about 28-31 if you count one of those victories over Bama as a loss? They forfeited one game to us because of their probation.

That happened in 1993 before HDN got here.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2005, 01:37:36 pm »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.


True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.



I am a This glass is broken guy.
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2005, 01:38:36 pm »


98-99
9/3
6/2 SEC

99-00
8/4
4/4 SEC

00-01
7/5
4/4

01-02
7/5
4/4 SEC

02-03
9/5
5/4 SEC (SECC)

03-04
9/4
4/4

04-05
5/6
3/5 SEC

TOTAL:
29/27 SEC
54/30 OVERALL

Am I missing something?



Two SEC losses this season.

1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4 (10-6 overall)
2000: 3-5 (13-11)
2001: 4-4 (17-15)
2002: 5-3 (22-18)
2003: 4-4 (26-22)
2004: 3-5 (29-27)
2005: 0-2 (29-29)

Is this season over? Then why judge it?

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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2005, 01:40:05 pm »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.


True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.



I am a This glass is broken guy.

If that's the way you want to be, fine by me. Got any tickets you want to sell?
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2005, 01:41:46 pm »

No, I enjoy college football.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2005, 01:50:24 pm »


Alabama is 30 - 27 in the SEC from 1998 - 2005. Are they mediocre?


Actually  yes, Alabama is mediocre, we are a little less than mediocre. Sorry but the truth hurts and we do need to do something about it. We need to get back to mediocre first then take it up a couple of notches.
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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2005, 01:58:40 pm »


Alabama is 30 - 27 in the SEC from 1998 - 2005. Are they mediocre?


Actually yes, Alabama is mediocre, we are a little less than mediocre. Sorry but the truth hurts and we do need to do something about it. We need to get back to mediocre first then take it up a couple of notches.

So what is Florida and SC? SC scored 14 on 'bama and we scored 13, but FL only scored 3. Are they below mediocre?
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2005, 02:10:48 pm »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.


True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.



I am a This glass is broken guy.


You have it right---the glass was FULL when HDN arrived and its been leaking every since.  Some people still give HDN a pass on this investigation crap.....it happened (the overpayments) to HDN's players in 1998 while he was head coach.  He needs to be responsible and not use his staff's mistakes in lack of proper oversight as a 'tarp' of his recruiting.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2005, 02:12:56 pm »


98-99
9/3
6/2 SEC

99-00
8/4
4/4 SEC

00-01
7/5
4/4

01-02
7/5
4/4 SEC

02-03
9/5
5/4 SEC (SECC)

03-04
9/4
4/4

04-05
5/6
3/5 SEC

TOTAL:
29/27 SEC
54/30 OVERALL

Am I missing something?



Two SEC losses this season.

1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4 (10-6 overall)
2000: 3-5 (13-11)
2001: 4-4 (17-15)
2002: 5-3 (22-18)
2003: 4-4 (26-22)
2004: 3-5 (29-27)
2005: 0-2 (29-29)

Is this season over? Then why judge it?



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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2005, 02:13:12 pm »


Scott,

I'll go on record and make a bet with you stating that we will be closer to 35-29 rather than 29-35. Wanna bet?  ;D

 :razorback:
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2005, 02:16:47 pm »


Scott,

I'll go on record and make a bet with you stating that we will be closer to 35-29 rather than 29-35. Wanna bet? ;D

 :razorback:
John




Do you honestly think that Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and South Carolina are gimme games?  Do you count MSU, and Ole Miss as for sure wins?  Optimism is one thing, but reality is the world we live in.
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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2005, 02:22:02 pm »


Scott,

I'll go on record and make a bet with you stating that we will be closer to 35-29 rather than 29-35. Wanna bet? ;D

 :razorback:
John




Do you honestly think that Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and South Carolina are gimme games? Do you count MSU, and Ole Miss as for sure wins? Optimism is one thing, but reality is the world we live in.

I think we can beat SC, Auburn, MS, and Ole Miss. I think we might upset LSU if they are down and we are up. I don't think we can beat Geogria.

What are your predictions?
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2005, 02:24:47 pm »



Here are some #'s for the SEC from 1998-2004.

Win % Gms W/L

Alabama
0.526 57 30 27
Arkansas
0.509 57 29 28
Auburn
0.569 58 33 25
Florida
0.759 58 44 14
Geogria
0.707 58 41 17
Kentucky
0.250 56 14 42
LSU
0.569 58 33 25
Ole Miss
0.500 56 28 28
MS
0.368 57 21 36
SC
0.339 56 19 37
TN
0.763 59 45 14
Vandy
0.107 56 6 50


JDW....but the one thing you fail to see in your stats is the obvious. I know its hard for you because you obvious like HDN...but all the teams that are close to what HDN sucky stats are...they have already fired thier coaches and looked to the future. Ole Miss, Miss St., Florida even, Kentucky and even freaking South Carolina....sorry buddy, while your meak attempt to sound some Spock logic on some very weak performances by HDN will not cut it.  We are NOT a young team according to Wally Hall today..and he is one of your bretheren in supporting Nutt...so either you guys team up, huddle up and get a group hug so you can get your facts straight or just let us continue to rant and rave until we finally accept that the UofA has given up on football.


I disagree. While HDN's play calling over the years has became more and more reserved I don't think we are mediocre. Young and inexperienced but not mediocre. Arkansas ranks 32nd in the nation as a Div1 school for winning %'s from 1998 - 2005. Alabama for that time period ranks 53rd. I agree with what BuschHawg said that we are on par against West teams and down agsint teams of the East. I am trying to compile a database that will help compare Win/Loss vs West/East for all SEC teams to compare histories. I think you will find his statement correct.

John

That whole post right there seemingly reads to me that you have accepted that we cannot do better or maybe we should be proud to be ranked freaking 32nd in the Country????? With what the Razorback Foundation has poured into the program and with the money that HDN has been up in pay...you are seemingly satisfied with that? You see, this is where some set higher goals...and I can say honestly, that at the UofA...we use to have higher standards until Nutt has drug us down into the Comic Relief pit jknown as the NUTT Sanctuary
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2005, 02:29:09 pm »


98-99
9/3
6/2 SEC

99-00
8/4
4/4 SEC

00-01
7/5
4/4

01-02
7/5
4/4 SEC

02-03
9/5
5/4 SEC (SECC)

03-04
9/4
4/4

04-05
5/6
3/5 SEC

TOTAL:
29/27 SEC
54/30 OVERALL

Am I missing something?



Two SEC losses this season.

1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4 (10-6 overall)
2000: 3-5 (13-11)
2001: 4-4 (17-15)
2002: 5-3 (22-18)
2003: 4-4 (26-22)
2004: 3-5 (29-27)
2005: 0-2 (29-29)

Is this season over? Then why judge it?


You don't like being proved wrong do you?
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2005, 02:30:14 pm »


Scott,

I'll go on record and make a bet with you stating that we will be closer to 35-29 rather than 29-35. Wanna bet? ;D

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John




Do you honestly think that Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and South Carolina are gimme games? Do you count MSU, and Ole Miss as for sure wins? Optimism is one thing, but reality is the world we live in.

I think we can beat SC, Auburn, MS, and Ole Miss. I think we might upset LSU if they are down and we are up. I don't think we can beat Geogria.

What are your predictions?

We might win against MSU, possibly Ole MIss and South Carolina.  No way will we sweep those three.  The others, Georgia, LSU and Auburn are all but posted in the stat book as 3 losses.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2005, 02:31:42 pm »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.


True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.



I am a This glass is broken guy.


You have it right---the glass was FULL when HDN arrived and its been leaking every since. Some people still give HDN a pass on this investigation crap.....it happened (the overpayments) to HDN's players in 1998 while he was head coach. He needs to be responsible and not use his staff's mistakes in lack of proper oversight as a 'tarp' of his recruiting.
JD I wouldn't say the glass was full....but I think we were farther ahead then, now, we have back peddled and stumbled into a 2nd tier program all because of the "good ole boy" network
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2005, 02:35:57 pm »



Here are some #'s for the SEC from 1998-2004.

Win % Gms W/L

Alabama
0.526 57 30 27
Arkansas
0.509 57 29 28
Auburn
0.569 58 33 25
Florida
0.759 58 44 14
Geogria
0.707 58 41 17
Kentucky
0.250 56 14 42
LSU
0.569 58 33 25
Ole Miss
0.500 56 28 28
MS
0.368 57 21 36
SC
0.339 56 19 37
TN
0.763 59 45 14
Vandy
0.107 56 6 50


JDW....but the one thing you fail to see in your stats is the obvious. I know its hard for you because you obvious like HDN...but all the teams that are close to what HDN sucky stats are...they have already fired thier coaches and looked to the future. Ole Miss, Miss St., Florida even, Kentucky and even freaking South Carolina....sorry buddy, while your meak attempt to sound some Spock logic on some very weak performances by HDN will not cut it. We are NOT a young team according to Wally Hall today..and he is one of your bretheren in supporting Nutt...so either you guys team up, huddle up and get a group hug so you can get your facts straight or just let us continue to rant and rave until we finally accept that the UofA has given up on football.


I disagree. While HDN's play calling over the years has became more and more reserved I don't think we are mediocre. Young and inexperienced but not mediocre. Arkansas ranks 32nd in the nation as a Div1 school for winning %'s from 1998 - 2005. Alabama for that time period ranks 53rd. I agree with what BuschHawg said that we are on par against West teams and down agsint teams of the East. I am trying to compile a database that will help compare Win/Loss vs West/East for all SEC teams to compare histories. I think you will find his statement correct.

John

That whole post right there seemingly reads to me that you have accepted that we cannot do better or maybe we should be proud to be ranked freaking 32nd in the Country????? With what the Razorback Foundation has poured into the program and with the money that HDN has been up in pay...you are seemingly satisfied with that? You see, this is where some set higher goals...and I can say honestly, that at the UofA...we use to have higher standards until Nutt has drug us down into the Comic Relief pit jknown as the NUTT Sanctuary

Red Razor,

Very good post. I think you touched a chord in me and part of me does want to yell FIRE HDN!!!!!! But there is that other part that says hang on through the season and then make up your mind. So I will give HDN that, but I like your comments "while your meak attempt to sound some Spock logic on some very weak performances by HDN will not cut it."  That made me chuckle. So for now I will continue to hang on to my way of thinking and trudge on throw the muck and myre until I can see a better road to walk. I know some say that they haven't given up on the program just HDN, but isn't HDN part of "the program" whether you like it or not.

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2005, 02:38:03 pm »


98-99
9/3
6/2 SEC

99-00
8/4
4/4 SEC

00-01
7/5
4/4

01-02
7/5
4/4 SEC

02-03
9/5
5/4 SEC (SECC)

03-04
9/4
4/4

04-05
5/6
3/5 SEC

TOTAL:
29/27 SEC
54/30 OVERALL

Am I missing something?



Two SEC losses this season.

1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4 (10-6 overall)
2000: 3-5 (13-11)
2001: 4-4 (17-15)
2002: 5-3 (22-18)
2003: 4-4 (26-22)
2004: 3-5 (29-27)
2005: 0-2 (29-29)

Is this season over? Then why judge it?


You don't like being proved wrong do you?

No, it's not that. I can admit when I'm wrong. All I'm saying is the season is not over yet and everyone has seems to have wrote the hogs off. And I haven't and won't until the season is over. Then I will make my choice.

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2005, 02:39:19 pm »

Its difficult to not write a team off that lost at HOME to Vanderbilt.  Vandy is still not as good as SCarolina, Miss State....
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2005, 02:39:21 pm »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.


True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.



I am a This glass is broken guy.


You have it right---the glass was FULL when HDN arrived and its been leaking every since. Some people still give HDN a pass on this investigation crap.....it happened (the overpayments) to HDN's players in 1998 while he was head coach. He needs to be responsible and not use his staff's mistakes in lack of proper oversight as a 'tarp' of his recruiting.
JD I wouldn't say the glass was full....but I think we were farther ahead then, now, we have back peddled and stumbled into a 2nd tier program all because of the "good ole boy" network

"Good Ole Boy" system? I don't know about that? Why do you think we went 5-6 last year?

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2005, 02:41:08 pm »

The difference is that based on the previous 7 years and the first 4 games this year we have a pretty good idea how HDN is going to play this out. We don't need the rest of the year to see he has not changed a damn thing. Instead of changing the flat he is letting the air out of the other three tires.
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2005, 02:41:56 pm »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.


True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.



I am a This glass is broken guy.


You have it right---the glass was FULL when HDN arrived and its been leaking every since. Some people still give HDN a pass on this investigation crap.....it happened (the overpayments) to HDN's players in 1998 while he was head coach. He needs to be responsible and not use his staff's mistakes in lack of proper oversight as a 'tarp' of his recruiting.
JD I wouldn't say the glass was full....but I think we were farther ahead then, now, we have back peddled and stumbled into a 2nd tier program all because of the "good ole boy" network

"Good Ole Boy" system? I don't know about that? Why do you think we went 5-6 last year?



Four words, ' Matt Jones groin injury'.  Matt was a great mask for the defencies we had.  We all thought we had a chance when Matt was in the game.  And we really did. 
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2005, 02:42:25 pm »

Its difficult to not write a team off that lost at HOME to Vanderbilt. Vandy is still not as good as SCarolina, Miss State....

True. But I think our players have felt that sting and, I hope, don't want to feel it again. We had the Vandy game won. Some stupid mistakes on our part cost us the game. Some coaching calls and some player error. But at this point I figured we would be 2-2. Yet when we played Alabama our D stepped up, got what 3 sacks? Our DB's played better and we ran ~240yds on a good D. So I think we have and will continue to make the right changes.

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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2005, 02:44:52 pm »

The difference is that based on the previous 7 years and the first 4 games this year we have a pretty good idea how HDN is going to play this out. We don't need the rest of the year to see he has not changed a damn thing. Instead of changing the flat he is letting the air out of the other three tires.

I can see your logic but.... does that mean we will not win? I know HDN has become more conservative/hardheaded but that does not mean that we can not win.
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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2005, 02:46:04 pm »

Well lets see.....nobody in the west except LSU post Saban and Auburn last season...has been worth a damn consistently. This is the most OVERRATED division in football in that same time period. Nobody has had a very good run of it, but LSU, Auburn, and now Alabama are about to leave Arkansas behind. Just my opinion.


True. But to be objective I can only take the figures from when HDN has came to Arkansas and compare those #'s to the rest of the league, whether the teams were up or down. I ain't arguing that were not #1 right now, but we are young. Can any argue that? We have a 1st year DC. Look at the missed assignments against USC. He will probably have his own staff next year. And I can agree that we need to recruit better on D. I guess it's just all a matter of whether the glass is half empty or half full. I'm a half full guy.



I am a This glass is broken guy.


You have it right---the glass was FULL when HDN arrived and its been leaking every since. Some people still give HDN a pass on this investigation crap.....it happened (the overpayments) to HDN's players in 1998 while he was head coach. He needs to be responsible and not use his staff's mistakes in lack of proper oversight as a 'tarp' of his recruiting.
JD I wouldn't say the glass was full....but I think we were farther ahead then, now, we have back peddled and stumbled into a 2nd tier program all because of the "good ole boy" network

"Good Ole Boy" system? I don't know about that? Why do you think we went 5-6 last year?



Four words, ' Matt Jones groin injury'. Matt was a great mask for the defencies we had. We all thought we had a chance when Matt was in the game. And we really did.

How many starters did we loose the season before that?
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Re: HDN's RECORD vs TOP 25 and SEC Teams
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2005, 02:46:14 pm »

I think it is obvious that Houston has done more with less.  This is true in the fact that he has performed an admirable job against the lower tier SEC teams with a one page playbook.  Heck, give the guy credit, he has run basically 5 running plays and 4 pass plays and he has beaten Ole Miss, Miss St and a few others with this little gem.

He has done more with less, but the "less" is the playbook.  His talent is about the same or better than 50% of the SEC and he has proven he can win 50% of the time.  29-29.  Can't you see this!
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