Best Hog Draft Pick?

[mosehawg]

Which Hog had or will have the better NBA Career?

[mosehawg]

I have to pick Joe Johnson

[Boog41]

Like him or not, Alvin Robertson should be on this poll. He was all NBA defensive team.

[BigSexyHog]

Like him or not, Alvin Robertson should be on this poll. He was all NBA defensive team.

I was about to ask about why he wasn't on the list...  Take away his off court problems/issues he was very salty on the court.

[elksnort]

It is hard to argue Joe Johnson as a choice. I remember Sidney. He was very good in the NBA. Joe Johnson can score better than any Razorback in the NBA that I can think of.

[Killean]

Johnson still has a long career ahead of him and I think he'll end up moving ahead of Sidney Moncrief.


And they'll both still be behind Scottie Pippen.

[beatdrum]

I question why some of the people are even on this poll (Mayberry? Reed?). That being said, JJ gets my vote.

[RazorsEdge]

Like him or not, Alvin Robertson should be on this poll. He was all NBA defensive team.

Wasn't he also the first NBA player to record a quadruple double?

[oldfart]

Wasn't he also the first NBA player to record a quadruple double?

pretty sure you are correct on that.....

[irishman]

I would have to go with Moncrief

[aloha_kid]

It is hard to argue Joe Johnson as a choice. I remember Sidney. He was very good in the NBA. Joe Johnson can score better than any Razorback in the NBA that I can think of.

Harder to argue against Super Sid:

"During the 1980s, Moncrief was the leader of the Milwaukee Bucks, who had the third best winning percentage for the decade behind only the Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics. Moncrief was known for his versatility on the court, particularly given his 6'4" stature, but was most known for his tenacious defensive play. Moncrief was named the NBA Defensive Player of the Year for the 1982-83 and 1983-84 seasons. He also made the All-Star team for five consecutive years and was named to the All-NBA first team for the 1982-83 season. Moncrief averaged over 20 points a game 4 seasons in his career and finished his 11 year NBA career with an average of 15.6 points per game. For his accomplishments with the Bucks, his #4 jersey was retired."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Moncrief

[aloha_kid]

Johnson still has a long career ahead of him and I think he'll end up moving ahead of Sidney Moncrief.


And they'll both still be behind Scottie Pippen.

Scottie wasn't a Hawg.

[deshahawg]

Johnson is a great pick. Williamson also has done well.

[ThisLittlePiggie]

So what is it? You don't like the BASKETBALL FORUM?

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?board=71.0

[Hollywood_HOGan45]

no brainer

super sid

jordan has said he is the greatest defender he ever went up against

[razorbackfan4life]

there's lots of good defenders in the league, but not as many studs like JJ. 

Joe Johnson ftw

[DriveByHogger]

How old are you guys that are voting for JJ? No one can compare to Sidney. He's all alone at the top tier. I think JJ will end up being at the next level with Alvin, Joe K., and Corliss.

[Killean]

Scottie wasn't a Hawg.

I'm perfectly aware of that, just pointing out that none of the Razorbacks on the list are going to measure up to Pippen.  We still don't have our true superstar basketball pro.

[Razor-back]

Joe Johnson, hands down.  He is a superstar.

[razorbackfan4life]

Sid interview

Joe Johnson Highlight real

[TripleJ]

How old are you guys that are voting for JJ? No one can compare to Sidney. He's all alone at the top tier. I think JJ will end up being at the next level with Alvin, Joe K., and Corliss.

If Sid was a HoFer then you could say he is top tier. If JJ stopped playing now then of course Sid has had a better career. I voted for JJ b/c I think when he is done he will have become a better basketball player than Sid. Well a better playing for his time than Sid was for his time.

[olivebranchhog]

i think joe is better now and more nationally recognized for his play than sid. Not taking anything away from sid but people will remember an all-star scorer in Joe Johnson farther down the line than they will remember how well Sid defended IMHO.

[StoernerJonesFan]

Joe Johnson has reached ELITE status in the NBA. 
It has to be JJ as the best Hog Draft Pick.

[3kgthog]

JJ by leaps and bounds.

[Dugann]

Johnson/moncrief.  Brewer still might have some good years ahead.

I think Johnson will be a very very very good player for years to come.  El Sid just didn't play long enough but he was a monster on D when he did though.

[hawgsav1]

How can anyone say JJ over Sidney?  Sidney is a hall of famer.  I know Johnson is good, but people characterize Sidney as the toughest player to ever play against them on defense.  Jordan said that and other guards said that, and I wasn't even born when he played.  Sidney Moncrief hands down.

[Brownie Tuggle]

Sidney Moncrief ( All around player)
Joe Johnson (Scores at will)
Corliss Williamson (NBA Championship)

Thats my Top 3!!!!

[hogifino]

If I were starting my own team, I build my team around Moncrief.

[mword]

I don't keep up with the NBA or basketball, period, so I am guessing - Corliss Williamson

[aristotle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kPpTinh-Jw


Wouldn't embed for me for some reason, but here's JJ's 35 vs Celts in game 4.

[razorbak]

Sid started and starred from the start for the Bucks. Back then the Beasts of the East were two fantastic clubs, the 76ers [Dr. J.], and Boston [Bird]. The Bucks had some barn-burner 7 game series with both. They would beat one and then have to play the other in the East finals. Most of their best years when they were barely eliminated, the team that beat them won the NBA crown. A bounce of the ball, a free throw or a call here or there and the Bucks would have been in the finals and could have won a time or two. The Lakers with Magic were the only Western team powerful enough to sometimes beat the East. Look at Moncrief's stats in those series and you are looking at All-Star numbers.

[razorbak]

Sid started and starred from the start for the Bucks. Back then the Beasts of the East were two fantastic clubs, the 76ers [Dr. J.], and Boston [Bird]. The Bucks had some barn-burner 7 game series with both. They would beat one and then have to play the other in the East finals. Most of their best years when they were barely eliminated, the team that beat them won the NBA crown. A bounce of the ball, a free throw or a call here or there and the Bucks would have been in the finals and could have won a time or two. The Lakers with Magic were the only Western team powerful enough to sometimes beat the East. Look at Moncrief's stats in those series and you are looking at All-Star numbers.

[RedSatinHog]

Super Sid.  There will probably never be another one like him, or even close.

[olivebranchhog]

Sid started and starred from the start for the Bucks. Back then the Beasts of the East were two fantastic clubs, the 76ers [Dr. J.], and Boston [Bird]. The Bucks had some barn-burner 7 game series with both. They would beat one and then have to play the other in the East finals. Most of their best years when they were barely eliminated, the team that beat them won the NBA crown. A bounce of the ball, a free throw or a call here or there and the Bucks would have been in the finals and could have won a time or two. The Lakers with Magic were the only Western team powerful enough to sometimes beat the East. Look at Moncrief's stats in those series and you are looking at All-Star numbers.

ok but do you not think that if jj and the hawks were playing in Atlanta that we would be talking about a Lakers championship? If it were not for JJ, ATL wouldnt have even made it to the playoffs. Sid was great, but JJ could be the star guy at any team besides Boston, LA, or with the Cavs. Sid was known for playing amazing defense against some of the greatest of all time, but JJ is a star in a conference with LeBron, KG, Ray Allen, Pierce, Billups, Hamillton, Wallace, etc. This is why I think further down the line JJ will be remembered more than Sidney because he is a prolific scorer, and offense will always be remembered over defense, no matter how great that defender was IMHO.

[drivetimeporks]

sidneys a hall of famer.. case closed

[drivetimeporks]

well.. mea culpa..  cant believe he isnt!

[johnfanman]

Apparently everyone forgot about Al Jefferson...he should count, he commited, just forget about that NBA thing.

[razorbackfan4life]

Joe Johnson's scoring average in 7 years.. 16.6
Sidney Moncrief's scoring average in 11 ... 15.6

[Pigdiana Jones]

Johnson still has a long career ahead of him and I think he'll end up moving ahead of Sidney Moncrief.


And they'll both still be behind Scottie Pippen.

Scottie Pippen didn't go to UA, he went to UCA or something like that.

Scottie Pippen wasn't a Hog. He did not attend UA, he went to UCA or something like that.

[MusicCityHog75]

Darnell Robinson was the best.  I actually called him and thanked him for leaving after his junior year. 

On a serious note, without question, Moncrief was a Super Star in the NBA, and the greatest Hog to play in the NBA.  JJ does have the talent to exceed Moncrief's accomplishments, but only time will tell.

[PowderedToastMan]

As of right now, Sidney Moncrief had the better career.  Great all-around player, the first two-time winner of the NBA Defensive Player of the year. 

In a few years, it might be a different story with Joe Johnson.  He is a great player as well, but hasn't reached the level that Sidney was.

[hawgsav1]

Joe Johnson's scoring average in 7 years.. 16.6
Sidney Moncrief's scoring average in 11 ... 15.6

Moncrief was a defensive specialist who gave opposing players fits.  Players like James Worthy and Michael Jordan always commented how hard it was to play against Moncrief. 

[hogchester]

Sidney:
   * 5x NBA All-Star (1982-86)
    * 2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1983, 1984)
    * 1x All-NBA First Team
    * 4x All-NBA Second Team
    * 4x NBA All-Defensive First Team
    * 1x NBA All-Defensive Second Team
    * Milwaukee Bucks #4 retired

Joe:

    * 2x NBA All-Star (2007-2008)

He might pass Sidney eventually, but he's got a long way to go.

[hoggystyle78]

Super Sid without a doubt. Joe Johnson couldn't carry Sidney's jock!

[olivebranchhog]

Uh, its Sidney.  Period.  This is like comparing Magic Johnson to Josh Howard. 

are you serious? I understand your vote for sid, but that is one of the most rediculous things i have ever heard. Sid was only known for defense, thats it, great defense that hall of famers commented on. Joe is known around the league as the guy who can quietly go for 35 on any given night, and he plays stout, in your face defense. I am willing to bet that under the same circumstances, Sid couldnt take the same Atlanta Hawks team to 7 games against the eventual world champions. Also willing to put my life on the line and say that Sid would never score 20 in a 4th quarter against the best defensive front court since the pistons.

[Rzrbk63]

I voted for JJ but only because I think in the long run he will have the better career.  If he were to quit today, then it would be Moncrief hands down.  Joe Johnson is "the" franchise player for the Hawks, and would probably be the franchise player for many teams in the NBA.  Sidney was a great defender, one of the best all time, but Joe is a great scorer.  People tend to remember scorers more than defenders.  They are both great and I am glad that they were Razorbacks.  I think that ten years from now Joe will still be playing and will still be a star.  You have to remember that he is probably only 26 or so right now.  He started in the NBA at a very young age. 

[hoggystyle78]

Sidney, without a doubt. Joe Johnson is very good, but he can't carry Sid's jock!, at least not yet, maybe after a few more years doing what he's been doing, maybe then, but not yet.

[jbell96]

I can tell how many young bucks are on the board since I see so many votes for Joe. Joe is an up and coming star in the NBA, but he doesn't have the all around game Sid had. If the best player to ever play the game, MJ, says Sid is the best defender he's ever faced, then that pretty much answers the question for me.

[secfan30]

As it stands now, Super Sid, however let's see what Joe Johnson ends up doing and he could be the best.

[ArkansasI]

ok but do you not think that if jj and the hawks were playing in Atlanta that we would be talking about a Lakers championship? If it were not for JJ, ATL wouldnt have even made it to the playoffs. Sid was great, but JJ could be the star guy at any team besides Boston, LA, or with the Cavs. Sid was known for playing amazing defense against some of the greatest of all time, but JJ is a star in a conference with LeBron, KG, Ray Allen, Pierce, Billups, Hamillton, Wallace, etc. This is why I think further down the line JJ will be remembered more than Sidney because he is a prolific scorer, and offense will always be remembered over defense, no matter how great that defender was IMHO.

Sidney was the same player you are describing.  At 6'4", his career was overshadowed only by Magic, Bird, Dr. J and later Jordan.  He would have made more first team All-NBA selections, but he played with other heroes of the game.

Sidney made the All NBA team while playing in Milwaukee against guys like Bird, McHale, Parrish, Dennis Johnson (all in Boston), Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Jamaal Wilkes (all in LA), Julius Irving, Moses Malone, the combination of Maurice Cheeks/Andrew Toney (all in Philly) and others.  These were great teams, and certainly there were other great players on other teams.

Sidney created a winner in Milwaukee with very little help.  Marques Johnson and Terry Cummings were the best teammates he had - and those were at different times (Johnson and Cummings didn't play together).  When Sidney entered the league, Bob Lanier was at the endi of his career.  Sidney always did what he had to do to make his team better - score, defend, and pass the ball.  He got the most out of his teams.

I enjoy watching Joe play and having success as much as anyone else.  However, Joe is not the player Sidney was.  Joe ocassionally disappears on the court.  If he uses his talent to the degree that Sidney used his, he would be compared favorably to Kobe, LeBron and Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett.  At 6'8", Joe can be the guy that pulls others through the game.

Milwaukee knew from day 1 what they had in Sidney Moncrief.  When describing Sidney to a reporter during a practice, his coach - Don Nelson - said that the team with Sidney usually won the scrimmages, regardless of the other 4.  I don't think that either Boston or Phoenix thought as much of Joe.