2008 Basketball line up?

[PorkSoda]

With all the transfers and new signees, and possible signees, what does our depth chart look like next year?  I know it has been discussed in a few different threads, but I think its time to figure out exactly what we are looking at next year, sizes and weights included.

Here is what I have so far, maybe some of you can fill in the missing info.

1st Team

C - Micheal Washington Jr 6'10" - 224
PF - Michael Sanchez RFr 6-8 - 231
SF - Daniel Payne Jr 6-7 - 200 - Jason Henry Fr - 6-7 190
SG - Patrick Beverly Jr - 6-1 - 180
PG - Cortney Fortson Fr 5-10 - 175

2nd Team

C - Andre Clarke Fr- 6-9 205
PF - Brandon Moore Fr - 6-9 180
SF - Montrell McDonald JUCO 6-6 - 185
SG - Rotnie Clarke Fr 6-0 175
PG - Stephen Welsh Jr- 6-2 185

Other

Stephen Cox Jr 6-3 199
Marcus Britt So 6-2 191

Possible in 08

Devon Dumas ?
Nick Williams SG - 6-4 - 200
JeJuan Brown ?

[mbgrulz]

I think it looks like this:

Fortson
Bev
Henry
Payne
Fill in post player.

[The_Bionic_Pig]

I think it looks like this:

Fortson
Bev
Henry
Payne
Fill in post player.

I agree Jason Henry is going to start and steal someone minutes from the jump he is that good.  On the other side of the coin I don't see anyone other than Courtney Fortson logging major minutes ala WHOLESALE SUBSTITUTIONS (full court press baby)

[PorkSoda]

Another lineup I could see would be

Michael Washington
Clarke or Moore
Daniel Payne
Jason Henry
Cortney Forton

[returntoglory]

that is some good height out on the floor.

[Hoggy1]

that is some good height out on the floor.

just thinking that myself.....the future is very bright.

I don't see any reason the NCAA tourney is too far of a stretch next season...atleast as a 10 or 11 seed, which I would take with a team of youngsters.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

WHOLESALE SUBSTITUTIONS (full court press baby)

Me gusta el sonido de eso, EStewie!!!!

[jwhite_13]

I would have to say

5. Washington
4. Sanchez
3. Jason Henry
2. Beverly
1. Forston

[hawgsav1]

I agree Jason Henry is going to start and steal someone minutes from the jump he is that good.  On the other side of the coin I don't see anyone other than Courtney Fortson logging major minutes ala WHOLESALE SUBSTITUTIONS (full court press baby)

I know Pelphrey runs the up-tempo style, but he's not all about the substitutions like Nolan was.  Nolan's team's were like a swarm.  Pelphrey's teams will be swarming at times, but I don't think they will be that much of a pressing and running and gunning.

I'd guess:

1. Fortson
2. Beverley
3. Henryh
4. Payne/Sanchez
5. Washington

Payne is listed as a 3/4 combo forward.  We give up a lot of size with Payne at the 4, but he's supposedly an efficient scorer...

[PorkSoda]

I like Jason Henry at the SG position, as he will likely have a size advantage, and should be athletic enough to keep up with smaller SG's and smother them on Defense.

[Darren DeLoach]

I know Pelphrey runs the up-tempo style, but he's not all about the substitutions like Nolan was.  Nolan's team's were like a swarm.  Pelphrey's teams will be swarming at times, but I don't think they will be that much of a pressing and running and gunning.

he did not have the ball handlers or the length and athleticism it takes to run an effective pressing game.

you couple those shortcomings with poor outside shooting, which enables the defense to clog the lane preventing slashers from doing their thing, and you have stan heath recruited southern big ten team.

these players remind my of those freaky athletic alabama teams from the horry, robison, and spreewell era.

this team will run you until you puke.

[VirginiaHog]

Fortson
Beverly
Henry
Payne
Washington

[The_Iceman]

we have no video on Jason Henry or Daniel Payne, so how can anyone say which on is better?

[tbhogfan]

I'm going to be conservative until I see how well the incoming players adjust.   I hope that they all are incredible on day one, but experience tells me that some of them will develop more slowly, which will effect the depth and substitution pattern. 

[returntoglory]

i think you are right, but i also think that the juco players and fortson will be ready from day one. both clark's and moore will probably need some time to develop.

[Beaverfever]

we have no video on Jason Henry or Daniel Payne, so how can anyone say which on is better?

For one, Jason Henry is from Arkansas.

[returntoglory]

i know that makes me a better athlete than anybody from the other 49 states.

[PorkSoda]

we have no video on Jason Henry or Daniel Payne, so how can anyone say which on is better?

Who cares, they are both good players and both coming to arkansas.  DP is a SF/PF and JH is a SF/SG.  They are both versatile and good athletes, and both will see a lot of minutes next year.

[FSHog67]

1st Team

C -  Andre Clarke Fr- 6-9 205   
PF - Michael Sanchez RFr 6-8 - 231
SF - Daniel Payne Jr 6-7 - 200
SG - Rotnie Clarke Fr 6-0 175             
PG - Cortney Fortson Fr 5-10 - 175

2nd Team
SG-Patrick Beverly Jr - 6-1 - 180

C - Andre Clarke Fr- 6-9 205
PF - Brandon Moore Fr - 6-9 180
SF - Jason Henry Fr - 6-7 190
PG - Stephen Welsh Jr- 6-2 185
C - Micheal Washington Jr 6'10" - 224

Other

Stephen Cox Jr 6-3 199
Marcus Britt So 6-2 191

Not impressed with MW's play this season at all, can't bang without fouling, rebounding nonexistent.
PB's play impresses me more of an undersized 3 than a SG.  The SG has to be able to shoot the 3 consistently to relieve the pressure inside.  PB did not show that to me this year, if anything regressed in scoring potential , even seemed to be hesitent or unsure to shoot the behind the line.

[Beaverfever]

i know that makes me a better athlete than anybody from the other 49 states.

My point is a few people in this state have seen him...Just because some poster hasn't seen a video online doesn't mean that nobody has any clue about a player's talent.  There are many people that are familiar with jason henry in arkansas.

[The_Iceman]

1st Team

C -  Andre Clarke Fr- 6-9 205  
PF - Michael Sanchez RFr 6-8 - 231
SF - Daniel Payne Jr 6-7 - 200
SG - Rotnie Clarke Fr 6-0 175             
PG - Cortney Fortson Fr 5-10 - 175

2nd Team
SG-Patrick Beverly Jr - 6-1 - 180

C - Andre Clarke Fr- 6-9 205
PF - Brandon Moore Fr - 6-9 180
SF - Jason Henry Fr - 6-7 190
PG - Stephen Welsh Jr- 6-2 185
C - Micheal Washington Jr 6'10" - 224

Other

Stephen Cox Jr 6-3 199
Marcus Britt So 6-2 191

Not impressed with MW's play this season at all, can't bang without fouling, rebounding nonexistent.
PB's play impresses me more of an undersized 3 than a SG.  The SG has to be able to shoot the 3 consistently to relieve the pressure inside.  PB did not show that to me this year, if anything regressed in scoring potential , even seemed to be hesitent or unsure to shoot the behind the line.

so your starting lineup will have 5 players who none of them saw the floor last season?

[hawgsav1]

he did not have the ball handlers or the length and athleticism it takes to run an effective pressing game.

you couple those shortcomings with poor outside shooting, which enables the defense to clog the lane preventing slashers from doing their thing, and you have stan heath recruited southern big ten team.

these players remind my of those freaky athletic alabama teams from the horry, robison, and spreewell era.

this team will run you until you puke.

I understand that about this season, but I should have mentioned the guide I was looking at was Rick Pitino's squads and Donovan's squads.  I assumed just as Stan Heath was a carbon copy of Tom Izzo, I assumed Pelphrey would run something similar to what Pitino and Donovan did.

[PorkSoda]

Not impressed with MW's play this season at all, can't bang without fouling, rebounding nonexistent.
PB's play impresses me more of an undersized 3 than a SG.  The SG has to be able to shoot the 3 consistently to relieve the pressure inside.  PB did not show that to me this year, if anything regressed in scoring potential , even seemed to be hesitent or unsure to shoot the behind the line.

Maybe so, but hopefully MW will step it up as he will be our only returning post player with experience.  Hopefully he will find his groove, because we will need him.

As far as Beverly is concerned, I really think he might have a breakout year next year.  He kind of got in a slump as far as shooting was concerned, but he was the consumate hustle player.  We will need him as well.

[FSHog67]

yes--None of them will have seen SEC action and some not even out of high school.  I sure I could be incorrect--I certainly hope so, however next season will be like Florida's season this year , we will just bite the bullit and give the best future players experience for the following year.  The only one where I question my own judgement is PB,

[PorkSoda]

There will be nothing dominant about our team next year.  They will have to scrap to win games.  A run in the NIT is the best we can hope for.  To me the wild card is really Rotnie Clarke.  Can he really come in and drain 3's against SEC competition?  I don't know.  He really has a nose for the bucket, so I can see him draining an open 3, but I have a hard time seeing him get open very often. 

[Mr. Prozac]

As far as Beverly is concerned, I really think he might have a breakout year next year.  He kind of got in a slump as far as shooting was concerned, but he was the consumate hustle player.  We will need him as well.

Perhaps if the players around him live up to their potential, the increased game pace and additional scoring threats (especially from the outside) will help Beverly's game.

I thought he seemed to let the pressure of being one of the teams few outside threats get to him, especially early in the year before Weems and Welsh began hitting better from outside. When the pace was faster, he seemed to shoot better. As an aside: if our other players hustle as Beverly does, we'll be in good shape.

[PorkSoda]

If rumors are true, I guess our starting line-up may look more like this

Fortson
Henry or R. Clarke
Payne or Henry
Sanchez
Washington

[opineonswine]

May have to ix-nay, the Bev-pay.

[bsking]

Forston
Henry
Payne
Clarke
Sanchez

[Hoggy1]

May have to ix-nay, the Bev-pay.

I'm with ya, i DOUBT Beverley is back next year.

[hawgsav1]

I'm with ya, i DOUBT Beverley is back next year.

Why?  What's going to happen?  He'll give up college basketball for a career in underwater basket weaving?

[GRIMMHOG]

I bet we see Payne at PF more than SF.
Fortson PG
BEV or Clarke SG
Henry SF
Payne PF
Washington or Sachez C

[mbgrulz]

I bet we see Payne at PF more than SF.
Fortson PG
BEV or Clarke SG
Henry SF
Payne PF
Washington or Sachez C

Yeah esp. if we add henry AND N. Williams

[PorkSoda]

Why?  What's going to happen?  He'll give up college basketball for a career in underwater basket weaving?

It probably pays more than college basketball.  I hope he is here next year, but he is the only one that knows for sure.

[imhogwild2]

this will not be the starting 5 but i would like to see a big press with a 3 guard lineup
Fortson- PG
Britt - SG
Beverly - SG/SF
Henry - PF
Washington C

[mbgrulz]

this will not be the starting 5 but i would like to see a big press with a 3 guard lineup
Fortson- PG
Britt - SG
Beverly - SG/SF
Henry - PF
Washington C

That's actually a pretty small lineup.

you'd line up 5-10, 6-2, 6-1, 6-7, 6-10.

A bigger lineup would be:
Fortson 5-10
Bev 6-1      or   Nick Williams  6-5
Henry 6-7
Payne 6-7
Washington 6-10

[PorkSoda]

That's actually a pretty small lineup.

you'd line up 5-10, 6-2, 6-1, 6-7, 6-10.

A bigger lineup would be:
Fortson 5-10
Bev 6-1      or   Nick Williams  6-5
Henry 6-7
Payne 6-7
Washington 6-10

Well you can strike Nick Williams and Payne

[hawgsav1]

So looks like it will beL

Fortson
Beverley
Henry
Sanchez
Washington

it's funny, cuz everyone thought Henry was the academic risk...

[Hog Fan from Camden]

So looks like it will beL

Fortson
Beverley
Henry
Sanchez
Washington

it's funny, cuz everyone thought Henry was the academic risk...

Did Henry ever qualify?

[PorkSoda]

So who do you think will start as SF?  McDonald or Henry?

[HawgAdvocate]

So who do you think will start as SF?  McDonald or Henry?

Henry should over McDonald...and that's only if we don't start Welsh alongside Beverley to start the season. Henry should get better by SEC play, but we shouldn't expect him to mesh with the others right of the bat.

[HawgAdvocate]

That's actually a pretty small lineup.

you'd line up 5-10, 6-2, 6-1, 6-7, 6-10.

A bigger lineup would be:
Fortson 5-10
Bev 6-1      or   Nick Williams  6-5
Henry 6-7
Payne 6-7
Washington 6-10

Big press...not big in size

[preach33]

Mental toughness is what i want to see - the get it done attitude.

[HotlantaHog]

I'm going to be conservative until I see how well the incoming players adjust.   I hope that they all are incredible on day one, but experience tells me that some of them will develop more slowly, which will effect the depth and substitution pattern. 

This is a prudent approach. I agree entirely. The future looks very bright, but there will be some bumps along the road.