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dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya

April 07, 2008, 09:26:24 pm Last Edit: April 07, 2008, 09:29:04 pm by dj shanon
I would be PISSED!!!!

Roy Williams...YOUR COACH...wearing a Jayhawk T-shirt tonight after getting throttled by them???  Are you kidding me?????

Sorry, but that would be unacceptable.

I liked Roy Williams until tonight.  Now I'm with some of you haters.  What a joke!
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ErieHog

April 07, 2008, 09:27:34 pm #1
Typical Roy Williams move;  anyone surprised by this just isn't familiar with his body of work and history.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya

April 07, 2008, 09:28:39 pm #2
Quote from: ErieHog on April 07, 2008, 09:27:34 pm
Typical Roy Williams move;  anyone surprised by this just isn't familiar with his body of work and history.

I guess I'm uninformed.  Sorry, but this is just too soon after a loss.  I understand loyalty, but damn!!!
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hawgsav1

April 07, 2008, 09:29:43 pm #3
Quote from: dj shanon on April 07, 2008, 09:26:24 pm
I would be PISSED!!!!

Roy Williams...YOUR COACH...wearing a Jayhawk T-shirt tonight after getting throttled by them???  Are you kidding me?????

Sorry, but that would be unaccetable.

I liked Roy Williams until tonight.  Now I'm with some of you haters.  What a joke!

Yeah, he doesn't have to wear a Jayhawk shirt.  I didn't bash him when he left Kansas for Carolina, cuz as Bear Bryant said "When mama calls you gotta come home" so I didn't think badly of him for that.  That being said, he shouldn't be slinking around trying to make nice with Kansas fans because he chose to go home to his alma mater.  He's a Tar Heel through and through and Kansas fans have to accept that and move on.  However, this move is a bit of cowardice on Williams part.     
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb

neahog

April 07, 2008, 09:41:31 pm #4
Quote from: dj shanon on April 07, 2008, 09:26:24 pm
I would be PISSED!!!!

Roy Williams...YOUR COACH...wearing a Jayhawk T-shirt tonight after getting throttled by them???  Are you kidding me?????

Sorry, but that would be unacceptable.

I liked Roy Williams until tonight.  Now I'm with some of you haters.  What a joke!

I disagree...maybe I'm wrong, but if Nolan got another coaching job and his new team had already been eliminated (even if it were by the Hogs), I'd respect him for putting a hog sticker on his shirt. Same thing if Ole Miss were not in a bowl game and Houston Nutt were attending the National Championship game in a few years when we make it...if he wears a hog sticker I think it's just showing that he still loves the place that he used to coach, that doesn't mean he's not taking his job seriously. Obviously Roy Williams wasn't wearing a KU sticker while UNC was still in the tourney. I think it's classy for him not to stay angry after a tough loss.
"I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." -Winston Churchill

Wild Bill Hog

April 07, 2008, 09:43:00 pm #5
The guy obviously feels very secure at UNC.  I would be pissed if I were a Tar Heel fan and maybe a little concerned.  I feel like RW has underachieved as a coach given the talent he had at Kansas and this year as well.

neahog

April 07, 2008, 09:45:51 pm #6
Quote from: Wild Bill Hog on April 07, 2008, 09:43:00 pm
The guy obviously feels very secure at UNC.  I would be pissed if I were a Tar Heel fan and maybe a little concerned.  I feel like RW has underachieved as a coach given the talent he had at Kansas and this year as well.

Good point, he only made it to the final four and won the ACC...if he doesn't stop underachieving he's gonna get fired, plus he's only won 1 national title. RW sucks.
"I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." -Winston Churchill

roundball

April 07, 2008, 09:47:16 pm #7
I thought the same thing too!

linze82

April 07, 2008, 09:47:42 pm #8
Heel players should transfer to Arkansas
smite me bishes

ErieHog

April 07, 2008, 09:51:37 pm #9
Quote from: neahog on April 07, 2008, 09:45:51 pm
Good point, he only made it to the final four and won the ACC...if he doesn't stop underachieving he's gonna get fired, plus he's only won 1 national title. RW sucks.


Yet people here will leap to the same conclusion when  Les Miles is mentioned.... the difference being, Miles has had more success than Williams.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya

April 07, 2008, 09:55:37 pm #10
Quote from: neahog on April 07, 2008, 09:41:31 pm
I disagree...maybe I'm wrong, but if Nolan got another coaching job and his new team had already been eliminated (even if it were by the Hogs), I'd respect him for putting a hog sticker on his shirt. Same thing if Ole Miss were not in a bowl game and Houston Nutt were attending the National Championship game in a few years when we make it...if he wears a hog sticker I think it's just showing that he still loves the place that he used to coach, that doesn't mean he's not taking his job seriously. Obviously Roy Williams wasn't wearing a KU sticker while UNC was still in the tourney. I think it's classy for him not to stay angry after a tough loss.

What about those kids that he coaches that just got killed 2 days ago by THAT team?
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ErieHog

April 07, 2008, 09:57:07 pm #11
Quote from: dj shanon on April 07, 2008, 09:55:37 pm
What about those kids that he coaches that just got killed 2 days ago by THAT team?

Nevermind them;  this is the Cult of Roy we're talking about here.   Roy's bigger than his programs.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hawgsav1

April 07, 2008, 09:57:15 pm #12
Quote from: dj shanon on April 07, 2008, 09:55:37 pm
What about those kids that he coaches that just got killed 2 days ago by THAT team?

They're going pro, so what does it matter :-P
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb
 

hawgsav1

April 07, 2008, 09:59:44 pm #13
Quote from: neahog on April 07, 2008, 09:41:31 pm
I disagree...maybe I'm wrong, but if Nolan got another coaching job and his new team had already been eliminated (even if it were by the Hogs), I'd respect him for putting a hog sticker on his shirt. Same thing if Ole Miss were not in a bowl game and Houston Nutt were attending the National Championship game in a few years when we make it...if he wears a hog sticker I think it's just showing that he still loves the place that he used to coach, that doesn't mean he's not taking his job seriously. Obviously Roy Williams wasn't wearing a KU sticker while UNC was still in the tourney. I think it's classy for him not to stay angry after a tough loss.

I see your point about Nutt and Nolan (though I know I'm biased because I'm a Razorback).  I fully believe Nolan would do it.  Nolan loves this place and he knows how much of a tradition he built at Arkansas.  Nevertheless, how would you feel if Pelphrey wore a Kentucky sticker after the Hogs got eliminated by kentucky in the Big Dance?
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb

ErieHog

April 07, 2008, 10:00:54 pm #14
Quote from: bbrj on April 07, 2008, 09:59:15 pm
Cats and dogs, living together...Here crips, you can put on the colors of the bloods...
There's no way I would don the clothes of the team that just put me out of the tournament.  Unbelievable!

Roy Williams is a d*uchebag.   In other news, water is wet, fire burn!
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Wild Bill Hog

April 07, 2008, 10:00:58 pm #15
Quote from: neahog on April 07, 2008, 09:45:51 pm
Good point, he only made it to the final four and won the ACC...if he doesn't stop underachieving he's gonna get fired, plus he's only won 1 national title. RW sucks.

Check the seeds he has lost to in the NCAA's throughout his coaching career.  He won the NC with Dean Smith's players.  He got to the Final Four playing at home.  Once he had to leave North Carolina, he got blown out.  Didn't say he sucks as a coach, just that he had underachieved compared to the talent he has had on his teams.

hawgsav1

April 07, 2008, 10:02:25 pm #16
Quote from: Wild Bill Hog on April 07, 2008, 10:00:58 pm
Check the seeds he has lost to in the NCAA's throughout his coaching career.  He won the NC with Dean Smith's players.  He got to the Final Four playing at home.  Once he had to leave North Carolina, he got blown out.  Didn't say he sucks as a coach, just that he had underachieved compared to the talent he has had on his teams.

Dean Smith was long gone by the time Williams got there.  He won with Matt Doherty's players, who had a really bad record the year before he went there.  Williams is not a bad coach, and as great as the Dean was, he only won 2 national titles that I'm aware of...
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb

neahog

April 07, 2008, 10:02:35 pm #17
Quote from: dj shanon on April 07, 2008, 09:55:37 pm
What about those kids that he coaches that just got killed 2 days ago by THAT team?

I understand your argument, and I don't even particularly like Roy Williams, I'm just saying that in my mind history is important. He won like 450 games at KU, he's got a lot of connections there. His team is out now-so he is now a fan, not a coach. He's allowed to go root for his old team. If UK made it to the title and they were not playing us, I would not get mad at Pel for going and wearing a UK sticker. Example, I'm starting law school at UALR in the fall, but I am currently an undergraduate student at the U of A. I can guarantee you that I will be seen with a hog shirt on in class next semester. (I realize that's a stretch of an an analogy, but come on, lay off the guy.) I think a lot of Razorback fans are just mad bc he kicked our ass...I'm not mad, I just hope we beat his ass if we ever play him again.
"I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." -Winston Churchill

dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya

April 07, 2008, 10:06:51 pm #18
Quote from: neahog on April 07, 2008, 10:02:35 pm
I understand your argument, and I don't even particularly like Roy Williams, I'm just saying that in my mind history is important. He won like 450 games at KU, he's got a lot of connections there. His team is out now-so he is now a fan, not a coach. He's allowed to go root for his old team. If UK made it to the title and they were not playing us, I would not get mad at Pel for going and wearing a UK sticker. Example, I'm starting law school at UALR in the fall, but I am currently an undergraduate student at the U of A. I can guarantee you that I will be seen with a hog shirt on in class next semester. (I realize that's a stretch of an an analogy, but come on, lay off the guy.) I think a lot of Razorback fans are just mad bc he kicked our ass...I'm not mad, I just hope we beat his ass if we ever play him again.

Actually, I'm not upset that they beat us, they were the better team.  Our seniors sucked.

My problem is him wearing their T-shirt 2 days after the loss.

The best analogy so far was hawgsav's of Pel wearing Kentucky's T-shirt 2 days after they beat us to keep us out of the championship game.  Sorry, but that is unacceptable.  Roy Williams is clueless.
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neahog

April 07, 2008, 10:07:34 pm #19
Quote from: bbrj on April 07, 2008, 10:05:33 pm
Hey Americans...If you're defeated, it's alright to put on Al-Qaita gear and just smile...

First of all, basketball is a game, and second of all, some Americans do feel that we're defeated by Al-Queda and they are putting on the "Al-Quaita" gear and smiling, they're called Democrats.
"I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." -Winston Churchill

Steef

April 07, 2008, 10:09:06 pm #20
My next door neighbor is a huge Tarheel fan.

He was using language about Roy last night that I won't repeat. This (shirt thingee) won't help.

neahog

April 07, 2008, 10:12:02 pm #21
Quote from: steefhog on April 07, 2008, 10:09:06 pm
My next door neighbor is a huge Tarheel fan.

He was using language about Roy last night that I won't repeat. This (shirt thingee) won't help.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right, I can see how an emotional fan would get really mad, I'm just saying that in reality it is not a big deal and I think it's fine for him to root for his old team in a tournament that his team is no longer involved in.
"I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." -Winston Churchill

Wild Bill Hog

April 07, 2008, 10:13:45 pm #22
UNC folks take Tar Heel BB very seriously - there's this other college in NC they compare their program to, and it isn't Davidson.

hawgsav1

April 07, 2008, 10:14:22 pm #23
Quote from: neahog on April 07, 2008, 10:12:02 pm
Yeah, I'm sure you're right, I can see how an emotional fan would get really mad, I'm just saying that in reality it is not a big deal and I think it's fine for him to root for his old team in a tournament that his team is no longer involved in.

I don't really have an issue with him rooting for his old team.  he coached there for 15 years and probably still has a giant connection there.  However, what need is there for him to make it publicly known?  Sure he can get up and clap for his Kansas team when they score or whatever, but wearing a Jayhawk shirt on national TV in an interview where all the Heel fans will see him?  What's the smartness in that?

By the wya, it would be interesting to read the Tarheel board on this...
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb
 

neahog

April 07, 2008, 10:16:44 pm #24
Quote from: hawgsav1 on April 07, 2008, 10:14:22 pm
I don't really have an issue with him rooting for his old team.  he coached there for 15 years and probably still has a giant connection there.  However, what need is there for him to make it publicly known?  Sure he can get up and clap for his Kansas team when they score or whatever, but wearing a Jayhawk shirt on national TV in an interview where all the Heel fans will see him?  What's the smartness in that?

By the wya, it would be interesting to read the Tarheel board on this...
I completely understand your perspective...besides, it's a matter of opinion, I just wanted to state mine, and honestly I'm playing devil's advocate to some extent...But I still don't have a problem with it.
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The Hawg Marshal

April 07, 2008, 10:28:35 pm #25
Quote from: ErieHog on April 07, 2008, 09:27:34 pm
Typical Roy Williams move;  anyone surprised by this just isn't familiar with his body of work and history.
Ditto.

claytongray

April 07, 2008, 10:46:12 pm #26
Quote from: dj shanon on April 07, 2008, 09:26:24 pm
I would be PISSED!!!!

Roy Williams...YOUR COACH...wearing a Jayhawk T-shirt tonight after getting throttled by them???  Are you kidding me?????

Sorry, but that would be unacceptable.

I liked Roy Williams until tonight.  Now I'm with some of you haters.  What a joke!

Agreed. Pelfrey is welcomed to cheer for Kentucky once Arkansas has been eliminated, but there is no way I want to see a Wildcat logo on him while he is employed by the Hogs.

ErieHog

April 07, 2008, 10:47:16 pm #27
Quote from: claytongray on April 07, 2008, 10:46:12 pm
Agreed. Pelfrey is welcomed to cheer for Kentucky once Arkansas has been eliminated, but there is no way I want to see a Wildcat logo on him while he is employed by the Hogs.

This isn't just a matter of employment;  it's been less than 48 hours since the same Jayhawks embarrassed his tournament-favorite team.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hawgsav1

April 07, 2008, 10:48:09 pm #28
Quote from: neahog on April 07, 2008, 10:16:44 pm
I completely understand your perspective...besides, it's a matter of opinion, I just wanted to state mine, and honestly I'm playing devil's advocate to some extent...But I still don't have a problem with it.

No I appreciate the honest and frank discussion. 
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb

claytongray

April 07, 2008, 11:00:58 pm #29
Quote from: ErieHog on April 07, 2008, 10:47:16 pm
This isn't just a matter of employment;  it's been less than 48 hours since the same Jayhawks embarrassed his tournament-favorite team.

You're right. It is about as craptastic as it gets.

ballhog™

April 07, 2008, 11:02:02 pm #30
I would be extremely upset if one of our coaches pulled a stunt like that.
Touchdown Arkansas! Oh My! --Paul Eells- Voice of the Razorbacks-Southern Gentleman

I do believe you have to be able to run the football when you want to, run the football when you have to. I believe you have to be able to throw the football when you want to, and throw the football when you have to.  --Former Razorback Head Football Coach Bobby Petrino.

neahog

April 07, 2008, 11:03:14 pm #31
Quote from: claytongray on April 07, 2008, 10:46:12 pm
Agreed. Pelfrey is welcomed to cheer for Kentucky once Arkansas has been eliminated, but there is no way I want to see a Wildcat logo on him while he is employed by the Hogs.

Fair enough, but I don't want to see an Arkansas fan not know how to spell "Pelfrey's" name. LOL, jk btw
"I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." -Winston Churchill

fdx flyer

April 07, 2008, 11:14:55 pm #32
I normally think you're a little extreme DJ S, but I'm totally with you here.  I can see some loyalty to KU, hoping they win, etc.  But what does it say to your players when you wear a sweatshirt from the team that crushed your nat'l title hope less the 48 hrs ago??  Complete BS.  Go back to Kansas if you love it so much.

Would y'all be alright with Pel wearing a Kentucky sweatshirt on national TV if they just beat us to get to the National Title?  I sure as heck wouldn't be.

Newport Hog

April 07, 2008, 11:46:54 pm #33
Man I wonder how Tar heel fans think about that . I  know if Pel wore a wildcats logo on his shirt while  after just losing to Kentucky or while as head coach at Arkansas I would be mad.  Did anyone see that.

ErieHog

April 07, 2008, 11:47:17 pm #34
Another thread on this already.  Will have to merge it.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

CPL HOG

April 08, 2008, 09:28:38 am #35
My wife is a big of a UNC fan as I have ever seen and she did not have a problem with it so I don't see the big deal in it.  I personally root for the team that beat us to win it all.

hogsanity

April 08, 2008, 09:37:22 am #36
The only thing I want to know is if Williams cried after the game. 
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

greasy_corner

April 08, 2008, 06:07:39 pm #37
He wore it because he knew it would get him on TV.  Since his team's out and his Coke ad spot has fizzled out, it's all he had.  Shrewd genius.   

heathtits

April 08, 2008, 07:32:34 pm #38 Last Edit: April 08, 2008, 07:44:09 pm by heathtits
Quote from: CPL HOG on April 08, 2008, 09:28:38 am
My wife is a big of a UNC fan as I have ever seen and she did not have a problem with it so I don't see the big deal in it.  I personally root for the team that beat us to win it all.

That says it all. Rich, utterly rich! Look at all these "men" freaking out about something that is not really a big deal when women are supposed to be emotional and lacking the conception of loyalty. (not bashing your significant other by any means)

To all you children, get a life. He coached there for over a decade and made them a premier program in the 90's and early 2000's. I am certain that not a single one of his players were offended by his move. It's two days later, it's March Madness and I'm sure UNC has made reality of their loss. They're young men, not 5 year old children who don't "get it".

And to prematurely answer Roy bashers who will predictably say I am a Roy hugger, I'm not. He's one of my least favorite coaches in the game as far as personality, but he garners insane respect as far as the game is concerned. He made Pel and our boys look mid major and then proceeded to coach his team out of a 28 point hole IN THE FINAL FOUR. UNC will appreciate the comeback they had and their season, but it's clear KU is the best team in the nation and UNC surely realizes this. It's not like they lost on a last second buzzer beater or a questionable call and then Roy was in the stands with the Jayhawk sticker on Monday. They got exposed and they've all been playing long enough to know this just wasn't their year, including Roy.

I bet most of you less observant folks didn't notice he wore a JACKET over the shirt during his half time report. He just happened to be in the crowd with other KU fans, enjoying the game and the camera focused on him. Granted he probably knows he'd get some cam time but good god, it was a sticker.

You people are ridiculous. You're the same people who bash Hansbrough for no reason whatsoever except maybe he opens his mouth funny and is better than anyone we have. I really don't like him at all either but I will not refuse the fact that no one played harder, with a better attitude (he hardly ever [CENSORED], mouths or shows off after a play) or won the Naismith trophy. Who else actually deserved it and could garner an award like that? Chalmers? (only after the final game)Love? Derrick Choke? Choke-Douglas Roberts? no way.

If Roy had left KU for here or TH went to the UofA we would be more obsessed and more ridiculous than you could ever think UNC fans and the national media are about them. Look how we are even with sub par football teams a coach who hasn't coached a game for us and recently underachieving basketball teams. So please, get a life and realize the worst side of you only comes out because we don't have anything to talk about except "possible recruits" and "Big news with no actual delivery".

Another point, if Pelphrey had come into our situation and had more tournament success than this year. Say an elite 8 or final 4, would you excuse it with the "not his players excuse" the way you excuse Roy Williams' national title? I doubt it.

The small minded bias in this place is so entertaining.

hawgsav1

April 08, 2008, 09:16:03 pm #39
I don't think KU was more talented than UNC by any means.  UNC was the favorite all season and while I don't consider Roy Williams overrated at all, it's pretty bad to be down 40-12 when you have comparable or even better talent.  Every team has an off-night, but UNC just looked bad that game.  Give them credit for storming back, as that stretch showed that the UNC squad's ability to offensively dominate and fluster an opponent.  If I was a Tar Heel fan, I wouldn't be upset with Williams supporting Kansas, as he coached there for 15 or so odd seasons.  However, I do think it's a little odd that he chose to go on national TV in an interview with his Jayhawk shirt proudly blaring in the wind.  Let's bring the example closer to home.  What if Pelphrey decided to wear a Kentucky shirt the day after we got blown out by them in the tourney?  I understand Pelphrey's love of Kentucky and it's only natural.  But wearing a shirt right after we're all sore after a loss is a bit odd too...
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb

Corkscrew Johnson

April 12, 2008, 10:04:51 am #40
Anyone have a problem with this?  If you recall, Kansas beat North Carolina in the Final Four, and then Roy Williams shows up to the Championship Game with a huge Kansas sticker on his black shirt.

My friends in Charlotte say the call-in shows are abuzz with criticism and rebuke of Roy Williams.  Some fans are actually calling for his job.  This is the coach who won a national championship not 3 years ago and has four 5* players signed for the 2009 class.  Sounds more like these guys are just stinging with the bitterness of defeat, but I was wondering how treason-esque you consider this move to be...

ErieHog

April 12, 2008, 10:39:26 am #41
Duplicate.  RMPL.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Baconator

April 12, 2008, 10:51:36 am #42
Here's a 19 page thread on the subject - http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=78&F=1410#s=78&f=1410&t=2326184

"Not that it will make you whiny, snivelling, crybabies feel any better, but in 1993, after we beat Roy's Kansas team in the Semis, he was in the UNC section, wearing UNC colors, and cheering for UNC.

Now continue on with your crying, you f'in babies."

WilsonHog

April 12, 2008, 10:58:00 am #43
I would have no problem with it.

He's still the UNC coach.

ErieHog

April 12, 2008, 11:00:27 am #44
Quote from: WilsonHog on April 12, 2008, 10:58:00 am
I would have no problem with it.

He's still the UNC coach.

I'd have much less of a problem with it if it wasn't a situation of him rooting for the team that eliminated his less than 50 hours after the fact--that's what has to grate with UNC fans.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

McKdaddy

April 12, 2008, 11:31:42 am #45
I'm an unabashed Roy fan, I'll admit.  If I were a UNC fan I might have thought to myself, "geez Roy, get over the KU love, especially since they just beat us."  But I'm not a UNC fan and can't walk in their shoes on this issue.

Roy wearing the sticker was absolutely no surprise.  It was Roy being Roy.  His biggest issue is wanting the KU love, b/c he still has KU love in his heart.  Roy has in the past expressed hurt for some of the hate and dislike he has received from a % of the KU faithful.  He wants love from them b/c he still has the love for them.  He did a very good job there and absolutely still loves that university--he's not put that behind him.

Perhaps wearing the sticker 2 days after an emotional loss was a bit much, but that's Roy.  Roy needs to make sure in his attempt to show KU love and in expressing his emotions towards KU, that he doesn't somewhat turn off UNC fans.

I didn't think Roy should have worn the sticker, but that is so clearly a thing Roy would do.
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April 12, 2008, 11:32:01 am #46
Quote from: ErieHog on April 12, 2008, 11:00:27 am
I'd have much less of a problem with it if it wasn't a situation of him rooting for the team that eliminated his less than 50 hours after the fact--that's what has to grate with UNC fans.



Yep.  I also left out the comments he was making BEFORE the he played Kansas, about how torn he was, that it was a nightmare situation to have to play his beloved Jayhawks.

I'm sorry but that has to affect his coaching on some level and getting blown out by them is somewhat of an indictment.
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HotlantaHog

April 12, 2008, 01:15:42 pm #47
A dozen of his former players were in the stands supporting Kansas. His kids go to Kansas. I say give the guy a break.

hawgsav1

April 12, 2008, 01:39:52 pm #48
Quote from: HotlantaHog on April 12, 2008, 01:15:42 pm
A dozen of his former players were in the stands supporting Kansas. His kids go to Kansas. I say give the guy a break.

Well, that is a different issue.  If your kids go there, it's ok I guess.  I didn't know that.  However, I do think it's a bit much...
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