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« on: October 03, 2007, 02:21:04 pm »

Liverpool on right now and not looking good through the first 35.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2007, 02:42:01 pm »

nope, Liverpool is looking tight. I have no idea why Torres and Crouch are teaming up. Sissoko is struggling to do anything and Leto has left a great deal to be desired.

Time for the second half and I hope changes are made (namely Kuyt).
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2007, 02:45:06 pm »

Disappointed in Gerrard's play in the first. Aside from one cross, he's not created much offense.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007, 03:22:43 pm »

great strike there. Sissoko should not be allowed back on the field for another Champions League match for Liverpool.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 03:24:23 pm »

Marseille has been controlling this second half. They've deserved this goal.

I'm stunned at how poorly Liverpool has been playing lately. Two consecutive 0-0 draws in the EPL and now this?
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2007, 03:38:50 pm »

late flurry by liverpool (why I wanted Kuyt in there) but really nothing doing. God was on Marseille's side on this game (and Sissoko was on Liverpool's).

The Reds need to win against the Turks and pick up the win against Porto in Anfield to move forward now.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2007, 03:47:57 pm »

Where was that attacking stance earlier in the match? Like before stoppage time? Very disappointing performance by Liverpool.

Celtic posted a 2-1 over Milan. Wish I could have watched that one.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2007, 09:42:44 pm »

Okay, WTH is going on with Liverpool?  They're loaded with talent and they looked outstanding at the start of the season, but now they look kinda shaky.  It just seems like they should be more formidable than this.

I've got a theory, and that theory is that Rafa juggles the lineup too damn much.  How's that for incisive analysis?

What do you Liverpool guys think?
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2007, 11:16:30 pm »

Well, I'm not a Liverpool fanboy (ManU, Fulham and QPR are my English squads) but I tend to agree with the "too many lineup changes hurting chemistry" theory.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 01:01:49 am »

Okay, WTH is going on with Liverpool?  They're loaded with talent and they looked outstanding at the start of the season, but now they look kinda shaky.  It just seems like they should be more formidable than this.

I've got a theory, and that theory is that Rafa juggles the lineup too damn much.  How's that for incisive analysis?

What do you Liverpool guys think?

It's getting ridiculous. I want to throw my television set when I see Torres and Crouch on the field at the same time. Veronin and Kuyt should be the only two paired with Crouch. Other than that, not having Xabi Alonso really seems to be hurting. Without Passmaster, Gerard is having an awful time getting the ball forward (and Sissoko should only be used as a destroyer and never relied on for offense).

Rafa needs to slow down the rotation a bit. I would love to see more Babel and Veronin, and I would also like to see a lot less of the random ass midfielders like Yossi, Momo and Leto getting loads of time. Tottenham had no reason being in the game today (one spot out of relegation!!!) and yet Keane had the Spurs up in extra time. That is pathetic. 
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2007, 08:46:44 am »


Rafa needs to slow down the rotation a bit.


This is an understatement.  When was the last time he fielded the same starting 11 two games in a row?

I remember years ago when Bob Boone was the KC Royals manager, he screwed around with the lineup so much that the KC Star started keping track of it for the amusement of their readers.  A quick search revealed this quote:

"...Boone decided to retire after the season, but returned to the Royals in 1995 as the club's skipper. Constantly searching for the right mix, he showed an affinity for challenging players in new roles. (In 1996, the Kansas City Star charted Boone's daily lineup changes in a daily "Boone-O-Meter," which concluded that the manager had used 152 different batting orders in the Royals' 161 games.)..."

I think Boone got really stubborn about it and would screw with his lineup just to thumb his nose at the Star.  I know Rafa is touchy about it too - do you think he's doing it now just to stick it to the Press?  If they're not winning, at some point he's going to have a player revolt.


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Re: Champions League
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2007, 01:37:37 pm »

Getting back Riise, Agger, Mascherano and Alonso will really help the Reds, but I am wondering how long Crouch is going to get chances in the rotation. There are rumors that Alfonso Alves could be coming in January from the Netherlands. Unlike Crouch, Alves actually seems to know where to be when the ball comes in (that's why he scored seven goals last week against Heracles).
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2007, 01:45:03 pm »

Did you see those 7 goals? I watched them on YouTube. He seemed embarrassed as he kept scoring them.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2007, 05:57:07 pm »

Did you see those 7 goals? I watched them on YouTube. He seemed embarrassed as he kept scoring them.

yep, but then again, he's got to be somewhat accustomed to scoring a lot in a game. Hell, he scored 34 goals last year in 31 games. That is insane.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2007, 08:18:18 pm »

Getting back Riise, Agger, Mascherano and Alonso will really help the Reds, but I am wondering how long Crouch is going to get chances in the rotation. There are rumors that Alfonso Alves could be coming in January from the Netherlands. Unlike Crouch, Alves actually seems to know where to be when the ball comes in (that's why he scored seven goals last week against Heracles).

Yeah, well Rafa will be sure to play him in about 50% of the games, so that ought to hold his goalscoring down.

Seriously, you guys don't need more big time signings.  You're already loaded. 

Chelsea has proven that the big signings are no guarantee of world domination.  They're supposedly looking to land Kaka now for 100 million pounds.  I guess the Sheva experiment was such a rousing success that they can't wait to do it again.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2007, 09:34:52 am »

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Re: Champions League
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2007, 04:29:24 pm »

And another round of Champions League play is Tuesday and Wednesday.

Rangers v. Barcelona, Dynamo Kyiv v. Manchester United and Arsenal v. Slavia Prague are among the matches on Tuesday. Wednesday brings Celtic v. Benfica, Chelsea v. Schalke and Real Madrid v. Olympiacos.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2007, 01:47:09 pm »

And another round of Champions League play is Tuesday and Wednesday.

Rangers v. Barcelona, Dynamo Kyiv v. Manchester United and Arsenal v. Slavia Prague are among the matches on Tuesday. Wednesday brings Celtic v. Benfica, Chelsea v. Schalke and Real Madrid v. Olympiacos.



So do you think Arsene Wenger is any good as a manager?   ;)

He loses Henry & The Invincibles and simply replaces them with kids who buy into his system.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/3412562

I know the status as "Best Club in the World" is always a transient honor, but damn, they look devastating right now.  Liverpool and United will be outstanding tests for this club.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2007, 03:36:09 pm »

That was a complete and utter demolition by the Gunners. One of the most impressive Champions League performances I've seen.

Rangers' draw with Barca was also impressive. Barca was so demoralized by Rangers defense they quit attacking in stoppage, content with the draw. Celtic's loss to Benfica was disappointing but at least Adu got on the field for it.

Tottenham looks like utter rubbish in today's UEFA match. Word is Jol will be sacked as manager immediately following it.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2007, 05:03:06 pm »

And another round of Champions League play is Tuesday and Wednesday.

Rangers v. Barcelona, Dynamo Kyiv v. Manchester United and Arsenal v. Slavia Prague are among the matches on Tuesday. Wednesday brings Celtic v. Benfica, Chelsea v. Schalke and Real Madrid v. Olympiacos.



So do you think Arsene Wenger is any good as a manager?   ;)

He loses Henry & The Invincibles and simply replaces them with kids who buy into his system.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/3412562

I know the status as "Best Club in the World" is always a transient honor, but damn, they look devastating right now.  Liverpool and United will be outstanding tests for this club.

With the way Liverpool is playing, the Reds won't be that much of a test. That was absolutely pathetic losing in Turkey. From Champions League finals to UEFA Cup is quite the move. Good Job Guys.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2007, 03:29:53 pm »

With the way Liverpool is playing, the Reds won't be that much of a test. That was absolutely pathetic losing in Turkey. From Champions League finals to UEFA Cup is quite the move. Good Job Guys.

Inexcusable.

Liverpool has WAY too much talent to be playing like they are.  Do you think the Rafa Rotation has anything to do with that?
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2007, 01:42:06 pm »

Liverpool coming up on ESPN2 in mere moments. The Anfield crowd is singing "You'll Never Walk Alone."
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2007, 01:46:57 am »

Apparently Liverpool was pissed today. This was finally what I have been waiting for since the demolition against Derby last month.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2007, 10:23:20 am »

Today Rangers-Barca, I believe, is on ESPN2.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2007, 01:33:03 pm »

Apparently Liverpool was pissed today. This was finally what I have been waiting for since the demolition against Derby last month.

Yes, apparently.

I haven't seen highlights yet, but 8-0 is absolutely off the charts.

I bet Rafa changes the lineup after that.   :D
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2007, 01:40:19 pm »

Today Rangers-Barca, I believe, is on ESPN2.

Oops.

ManU v. Dynamo Kiev is on ESPN2.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2007, 03:27:31 pm »

Liverpool? What sport are you talking about?
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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2007, 04:55:39 pm »

The Beautiful Game
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2007, 11:31:52 pm »

WOOHOO, Liverpool still has a chance to move on.

Not a great performance today, but Torres was able to find the net, and Porto fell apart in the last few minutes.

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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2007, 11:45:08 am »

At some point, Rafa will figure out that Liverpool lineup, right?

And the more I watch C. Ronaldo, the more I think he could be the greatest player in the world, if he'd only stop diving every time an opponent looks at him.
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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2007, 12:54:30 pm »

At some point, Rafa will figure out that Liverpool lineup, right?



Who knows? But a draw at Marseille earns Liverpool a trip thru to the next round.
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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2007, 02:38:36 pm »

Celtic at AC Milan coming up in a couple of minutes on ESPN2. The Bhoys need a tie to advance to the knockout round.
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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2007, 02:59:43 pm »

Good thing for Celtic, AC Milan is already thru, so the Glasgow side might be able to earn that tie. And Seedorf doesn't seem to be 100% after that knee to the leg.
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2007, 03:34:33 pm »

Benficia is up 2-1 over Shakhtar. If that score holds up, then Celtic is through no matter what.

Given 80 percent of the action is taking place within 40 yards of Celtic's goal, it's obvious the Hoops aren't attacking today.
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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2007, 04:38:17 pm »

Fantastic comeback for Liverpool. From one point in three matches to 10 points after six. A combined 16-1 score in the last three matches means Liverpool is in the knockout stage. The Reds have looked solid for the past few weeks, other than the lackluster performance at Reading this weekend.
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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2007, 04:48:53 pm »

OM lost the match, but won the ugly jersey derby today.

Those were horrific.
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2007, 04:58:52 pm »

I actually liked the blacks from Liverpool. Much better than those yellows from last season. But yes, Marseille's peach and blue jersey has got to be one of the ugliest in all of sports.
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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2007, 11:36:18 am »

Big weekend for the Premier League. Arsenal v. Chelsea and Liverpool v. Manchester United.
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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2007, 12:40:31 pm »

I would love to see Liverpool outplay Man U, and then actually finish them off once and a while. That match Sunday was so one-sided, yet Tevez is the one with the goal. Liverpool held possession for 61% and out-shot Man U 20-5 and 7-3 on goal. AND THE MATCH WAS IN ANFIELD!!!

Liverpool is closer and closer to out of the race for the Premiership. It is about time to start gearing up for the Champion's League only again. Maybe the Reds can take home some of the tournament cups this year.
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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2007, 04:39:16 pm »

I would love to see Liverpool outplay Man U, and then actually finish them off once and a while. That match Sunday was so one-sided, yet Tevez is the one with the goal. Liverpool held possession for 61% and out-shot Man U 20-5 and 7-3 on goal. AND THE MATCH WAS IN ANFIELD!!!

Liverpool is closer and closer to out of the race for the Premiership. It is about time to start gearing up for the Champion's League only again. Maybe the Reds can take home some of the tournament cups this year.

Wow, I had no idea the Reds dominated like that.  God, I hate United.

Big win for The Arsenal though.  They've been looking shaky the last couple of weeks, so this was a great result.
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« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2007, 10:22:36 am »

So here are the draws for the Champions League 1st knockout round:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/fixtures?league=uefa.champions&cc=5901

As expected, Arsenal and Liverpool are paying for stumbling in the last round; they have drawn AC Milan and Inter, respectively.

ESPN is making a big deal out of Arsenal having to play AC Milan, but I would have to say that Milan is definitely the underdog in that one, judging by their current form.  But Liverpool has their work cut out.  You could certainly make the case that Inter is the best club in the world at this particular moment.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2007, 11:13:50 am »

God I hate Zlatan Ibrahimovic. He is such an ass on the field. Hopefully Jamie can hold him down. If Inter doesn't win by more than one in San Siro, then I think Liverpool can go through.
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« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2007, 11:59:36 am »

If I'm not mistaken, Inter have not lost in 3 months.  They dropped a 1-0 decision at Fenerbahce in September.  They later avenged this by beating Fenerbahce 3-0 at the San Siro.

Sounds formidable to me!

Should be fun to watch the Reds take them on.
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« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2007, 01:35:33 pm »

If I'm not mistaken, Inter have not lost in 3 months.  They dropped a 1-0 decision at Fenerbahce in September.  They later avenged this by beating Fenerbahce 3-0 at the San Siro.

Sounds formidable to me!

Should be fun to watch the Reds take them on.

yeah, but there is just something about Liverpool when it comes to knockout stages. The Reds can beat better teams almost at will in European play. Anfield is magical on European nights. If there is one dream of mine as a sports fan, it is to make a trip to Anfield and see Liverpool play in the knockout stage of the Champion's League. Just to sit in the Kop and sing YNWA, that would be awesome.
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« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2007, 02:19:02 pm »

yeah, but there is just something about Liverpool when it comes to knockout stages. The Reds can beat better teams almost at will in European play. Anfield is magical on European nights. If there is one dream of mine as a sports fan, it is to make a trip to Anfield and see Liverpool play in the knockout stage of the Champion's League. Just to sit in the Kop and sing YNWA, that would be awesome.

There is no doubt, the Reds are consumate overachievers in Europe.  The Liverpool team that won the Champion's League 3 or 4 years ago had no business in even being in the knockout stages.

And I am not a Liverpool fan, but I agree that the atmosphere at Anfield has to be the greatest in all of sports.  I would love to attend a game there.
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« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2007, 10:52:01 am »

A full slate of matches on FSC and Sentanta today. Hooray Boxing Day fixtures!
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2007, 01:53:15 pm »

woo, Liverpool looked awful today. they were extremely lucky to pull out of Derby with three points. the other Merseysiders are looking pretty good right now against Bolton. Next up, a late affair between Portsmouth and Arsenal in Fratton Park.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2007, 02:19:22 pm »

A full slate of matches on FSC and Sentanta today. Hooray Boxing Day fixtures!

Yeah, and I'm stuck at work today due to morons scheduling deadlines for the day after Christmas.

I wanted to watch Arsenal, but I'll have to keep track of it on Gametrack.

United already disposed of Sunderland, so the Gunners HAVE to take care of business.  Pompey scares me in this fixture.
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Re: Champions League
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2007, 02:36:46 pm »

Rangers put a 3-1 win on Motherwell, while Celtic blanked Dundee United 2-0.

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Re: Champions League
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2007, 04:56:51 pm »

Rangers put a 3-1 win on Motherwell, while Celtic blanked Dundee United 2-0.



BREAKING NEWS - THIS JUST IN:  Celtic and Rangers each beat lesser SPL sides!   ;)

As for Arsenal, well, I guess my fears were not unfounded.  It looks like we fielded a strong lineup, but Pompey wasn't impressed.
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