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Title: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: nwahogfan1 on February 04, 2018, 04:03:55 pm
does anyone have any news as to what has changed?   I am assuming more stretching, running and agility type drills and less heavy weights but just a guess.     How is the Yoga going? 

Should we expect a lot of players to lose weight? 

I guess there will be 6 weeks of S & C before spring practice?



Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: TebowHater on February 04, 2018, 04:20:11 pm
There were some videos posted on one of the Twitter accounts... They seem to be making it extremely competition based, functional training. They drafted teams and looks like will be competing all off season.
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Post by: jcbville on February 05, 2018, 02:38:56 am
Lol

Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 05, 2018, 06:18:34 am
They've learned not to leave a towel in their locker.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: jgphillips3 on February 05, 2018, 07:03:18 am
I’ve heard that Cole has already dropped 20 pounds.  Overall, I would expect player weights to come down.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 05, 2018, 09:07:47 am
does anyone have any news as to what has changed?   I am assuming more stretching, running and agility type drills and less heavy weights but just a guess.     How is the Yoga going? 

Should we expect a lot of players to lose weight? 

I guess there will be 6 weeks of S & C before spring practice?
You'd be right making this assumption. Were going to a play style that is more focused on a players athleticism than just pure strength. The guys on campus preparing for the draft are also doing the same type of workouts. Gone are the days where a players primary focus is their strength and size. Most of the coaches with backgrounds in that style of play of adapted and those that haven't are on the sideline playing catchup (Bielema)
Title: Looks like competition is the motto in the off season for the hogs.
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 07:25:25 pm
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/960600638244581376
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: lakecityhog on February 05, 2018, 08:12:47 pm
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/960600638244581376

video attached
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on February 05, 2018, 08:16:35 pm
You'd be right making this assumption. Were going to a play style that is more focused on a players athleticism than just pure strength. The guys on campus preparing for the draft are also doing the same type of workouts. Gone are the days where a players primary focus is their strength and size. Most of the coaches with backgrounds in that style of play of adapted and those that haven't are on the sideline playing catchup (Bielema)

I don't think we were a big strong football team under BB. You can compare our players to other teams players and see we are NOT a thick strong team.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: liljo on February 05, 2018, 08:28:01 pm
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/960600638244581376

video attached

I got no Twitter skills. Thanks for posting this!
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: Jek Tono Porkins on February 05, 2018, 08:42:43 pm
I don't think we were a big strong football team under BB. You can compare our players to other teams players and see we are NOT a thick strong team.
Given the performance of the offensive and defensive lines the past couple of seasons I tend to think you're correct. However it may be the case that we had the strongest guys on the field. But when fast guys are running around your strong guys, the fact that your guys are strong may fly under the radar. In any case, seems like our strongest guys were always sidelined with a foot injury...
Title: Re: Looks like competition is the motto in the off season for the hogs.
Post by: Hawgey-Davidson on February 05, 2018, 09:53:32 pm
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/960600638244581376
Love it!
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: TexHog188 on February 05, 2018, 10:33:47 pm
Cole got a tat, "337"
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Post by: hogman64 on February 05, 2018, 10:53:02 pm
no broken feet so far....
Title: Re: Looks like competition is the motto in the off season for the hogs.
Post by: Yosemite Ham on February 05, 2018, 11:30:16 pm
Love the mindset
Title: Re: Looks like competition is the motto in the off season for the hogs.
Post by: rzrbk4life on February 06, 2018, 04:51:14 am
Awesome WPS
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: rzrbk4life on February 06, 2018, 06:05:27 am
Less PB&J sammiches??
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: hogmolar on February 06, 2018, 09:39:55 am
Patton posted something like back in the 250's need to lose 10 more.  Seems they are focusing on agility and being faster.  "You provide the want to we provide the how to."   
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: AugustaHog on February 06, 2018, 10:13:33 am
I don't think we were a big strong football team under BB. You can compare our players to other teams players and see we are NOT a thick strong team.
I think that was the goal, but it never came to fruition.  We could not match up strength wise with a number of our opponents AND we weren't as fast as them.  I don't know if it was Herbert or the vision that CBB set out for what he wanted from him, but it lead to slow and weak (at least relative to competition).  I'd rather be faster and more technical than slow and clumsy.  I think that should be CCM's and Coach Tru's goals for turning this thing around.  Obviously you can't roll out 270 lb OL and get it done, but you can lean em up a tad and make sure they are fundamentally sound.  Those fundamentals will help to maximize the muscle they add in the weight room.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 06, 2018, 10:50:34 am
I don't think we were a big strong football team under BB. You can compare our players to other teams players and see we are NOT a thick strong team.
Maybe not, but its definitely what they were aiming for. Remember the videos of linemen squatting 700+ pounds? During the offseason all we heard about was trying to put more weight on players and "getting them in the weight room"
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 06, 2018, 10:51:23 am
From somebody who has been at every early morning workout:  Completely different atmosphere.  Coach Herb was buddy, buddy.  Coach Tru has made it clear he is there to change their lives.  They still listen to music in weight room, but no music or rap filled with curse words or disrespectful themes.  Lots of emphasis on power lifts; the previous regime did zero power lifts. 

Oh yeah, the players are just a little bit afraid of Coach Tru.  LOL. 

Edit: I should have said the previous regime did no explosive lifts instead of no power lifts. I apologize.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 06, 2018, 11:08:23 am
From somebody who has been at every early morning workout:  Completely different atmosphere.  Coach Herb was buddy, buddy.  Coach Tru has made it clear he is there to change their lives.  They still listen to music in weight room, but no music or rap filled with curse words or disrespectful themes.  Lots of emphasis on power lifts; the previous regime did zero power lifts. 

Oh yeah, the players are just a little bit afraid of Coach Tru.  LOL.
That's very interesting and telling, yet not surprising in the least
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: hawg1221 on February 06, 2018, 11:12:18 am
From somebody who has been at every early morning workout:  Completely different atmosphere.  Coach Herb was buddy, buddy.  Coach Tru has made it clear he is there to change their lives.  They still listen to music in weight room, but no music or rap filled with curse words or disrespectful themes.  Lots of emphasis on power lifts; the previous regime did zero power lifts. 

Oh yeah, the players are just a little bit afraid of Coach Tru.  LOL.

Thanks.  That's good information.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: 311Hog on February 06, 2018, 11:42:02 am
damn i love that.  You give the want to we will give the how to. That is brilliant. 
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: exit followed by a boar on February 06, 2018, 12:22:05 pm
Lots of emphasis on power lifts; the previous regime did zero power lifts.

What do you mean by "power lifts"?  I think bench, squat, and dead as the power lifts. I'm pretty sure they did those lifts in the CBB era; so I assume you mean something else.

EFBAB
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: TechHog on February 06, 2018, 12:23:52 pm
What do you mean by "power lifts"?  I think bench, squat, and dead as the power lifts. I'm pretty sure they did those lifts in the CBB era; so I assume you mean something else.

EFBAB

Look at Tretola's and Kirkland's bench numbers from the combine.  Neither got 20 reps.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: exit followed by a boar on February 06, 2018, 12:29:40 pm
Look at Tretola's and Kirkland's bench numbers from the combine.  Neither got 20 reps.

So you're saying "zero power lifts" was an exaggeration for emphasis?

As I recall the beasts coming out night was pretty much all squats.

EFBAB
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: jkstock04 on February 06, 2018, 12:34:00 pm
Look at Tretola's and Kirkland's bench numbers from the combine.  Neither got 20 reps.
I remember hearing a rumor that the team didn’t really work on bench press under Bielema/Herbert.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: FineAsSwine on February 06, 2018, 12:41:27 pm
They still listen to music in weight room, but no music or rap filled with curse words or disrespectful themes.

So it was the curse words in that rap music that made our defense like a sieve and our offense sluggish. Maybe they should listen to gospel music. If that helps them win the West, I'm all for it. But honestly, I don't put much stock into the impact of a strength and conditioning coach. They all use similar techniques to create a mood and to motivate guys to push themselves. It's happening all across the SEC, not just at Arkansas.

Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: DeltaBoy on February 06, 2018, 12:43:41 pm
Thanks for the information!
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 06, 2018, 03:39:41 pm
What do you mean by "power lifts"?  I think bench, squat, and dead as the power lifts. I'm pretty sure they did those lifts in the CBB era; so I assume you mean something else.

EFBAB
Not to sound like one of “those” posters, but Coach Tru has said he won’t reveal what all he does, and my guy won’t either, but Herb did not do power clean in any form (no hang cleans or full power cleans). No dead lifts, no bench press.  I guess some refer to squat as a power lift, so ‘zero’ is inaccurate on my part.

The word is Coach Morris and staff thought they were being given false information when they were told what Coach Herbert’s workouts were.

I just realized I’m getting older. I should have said “explosive” lifts, not “power.” I do apologize.

Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 06, 2018, 03:43:44 pm
So you're saying "zero power lifts" was an exaggeration for emphasis?

As I recall the beasts coming out night was pretty much all squats.

EFBAB

I meant to say explosive. I apologize.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: Hoggish1 on February 06, 2018, 03:59:56 pm
Given the performance of the offensive and defensive lines the past couple of seasons I tend to think you're correct. However it may be the case that we had the strongest guys on the field. But when fast guys are running around your strong guys, the fact that your guys are strong may fly under the radar. In any case, seems like our strongest guys were always sidelined with a foot injury...

To win in this league you need to be stronger and quicker/faster than the man in front of you.  One without the other is useless since the opponent is not arm wrestling with you but trying to get to a spot before you do.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: exit followed by a boar on February 06, 2018, 04:11:50 pm
I meant to say explosive. I apologize.

THAT makes more sense. And I wasn't trying to be a dick; I just wanted to know what you meant by power lift.

EFBAB
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: hawgfan4life on February 06, 2018, 04:54:38 pm
If they did not do cleans and Deadlifts, it is no wonder we lacked expansion.  Parallel squats, power clean, and dead lift are core essential lifts to any legitimate program imo.

Simply amazing they didn’t do those.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: elksnort on February 06, 2018, 05:03:20 pm
That's very interesting and telling, yet not surprising in the least
Well, you might want to read his edited version. Because what he first typed would not make sense.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: Porkys Revenge on February 06, 2018, 05:45:19 pm
If they did not do cleans and Deadlifts, it is no wonder we lacked expansion.  Parallel squats, power clean, and dead lift are core essential lifts to any legitimate program imo.

Simply amazing they didn’t do those.
Most 8th grade conditioning programs do that. Lol. I hated power cleans. Probably explains why our OL can't bend and are rigid.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on February 06, 2018, 06:18:35 pm
I'd like to see more focus on quickness, explosiveness and better technique in run blocking and better agility (quick feet) and technique in pass blocking for the O-Line. You still have to have upper body strength but the lower body is going to provide most of that which I mention above. And for heavens sake, re-teach and emphasize the advantage of and need for maintaining vertical leverage on your opponent. A smaller, quicker O-Lineman can gain leverage and open holes against a bigger opponent for the split seconds it takes for a RB to get through a hole. Of course you have to be conditioned to such a level that you can last more than an entire game to maintain that pace and the physical beating that you take, but it sounds as if that is what this group is being conditioned to do.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: RockyMtnHog on February 06, 2018, 07:26:32 pm
These players are being conditioned for a full 60 minute full throttle game.  They have not had a single game in 5 years that they will play this season.  They'll smoke them tires from the first possession to the end.

There will be games that Arkansas will blow the doors off the opponent.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: HogFoo on February 06, 2018, 09:28:05 pm
They are now being conditioned to last the entire game.  wouldn't surprise me at all if our entire OL is around 280ish.  We gonna be going full tilt boogie baby.  The cleans build explosiveness.  quickness.  That's what will be working on the most.  We'll be trying to wear out the bigger slower defenses that we'll be facing.  Instead of US looking like we are running in mud at every aspect of the team, itll be looking like the other teams are.  We'll be looking like a sleek race car!  I am sure we'll keep the bigger RBs though to chew clock at end of games where we have  leads, kind of like what ole bobby tried to do.  And was able to do with Knile(s) Davis.  ;-)   it'll be some fun football, that's for sure.  very exciting!  I look forward to it again!  Go Hogs!
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: SooieGeneris on February 07, 2018, 12:13:58 am
From somebody who has been at every early morning workout:  Completely different atmosphere.  Coach Herb was buddy, buddy.  Coach Tru has made it clear he is there to change their lives.  They still listen to music in weight room, but no music or rap filled with curse words or disrespectful themes.  Lots of emphasis on power lifts; the previous regime did zero power lifts. 

Oh yeah, the players are just a little bit afraid of Coach Tru.  LOL.

Edit: I should have said the previous regime did no explosive lifts instead of no power lifts. I apologize.

The first bolded statement is unbelievable. No wonder we always looked slower than SEC opponents. I knew the players weren't slow when recruited..

As for the 2nd bold statement, I like that. After the previous regime of coddling and PB&J nappy time, we now have a "bad cop" to act as an enforcer as long as he's not too old school like Herman Boone from Remember the Titans, which I'm sure he's not.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: zebradynasty on February 07, 2018, 12:46:16 am
They are now being conditioned to last the entire game.  wouldn't surprise me at all if our entire OL is around 280ish.  We gonna be going full tilt boogie baby.  The cleans build explosiveness.  quickness.  That's what will be working on the most.  We'll be trying to wear out the bigger slower defenses that we'll be facing.  Instead of US looking like we are running in mud at every aspect of the team, itll be looking like the other teams are.  We'll be looking like a sleek race car!  I am sure we'll keep the bigger RBs though to chew clock at end of games where we have  leads, kind of like what ole bobby tried to do.  And was able to do with Knile(s) Davis.  ;-)   it'll be some fun football, that's for sure.  very exciting!  I look forward to it again!  Go Hogs!

Definitely need to improve speed and lose some weight but 280 along the OL in the SEC will not beat Bama, LSU or Auburn!
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: southarkhog06 on February 07, 2018, 02:15:55 am
Did we really not focus on deadlift in the CBB era???

If this is true it explains a lot, deadlift is the single best exercise for an athlete. Why a modern S&C program wouldn't make that a core part of their workouts escapes me...
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: factchecker on February 07, 2018, 03:16:12 am
Did we really not focus on deadlift in the CBB era???

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Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: factchecker on February 07, 2018, 03:26:43 am
If they did not do cleans and Deadlifts, it is no wonder we lacked expansion.  Parallel squats, power clean, and dead lift are core essential lifts to any legitimate program imo.

Simply amazing they didn’t do those.

Deadlift:

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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dVapKv39ZF8/maxresdefault.jpg)

We also did plenty of squats.  I guess none of ya'll remember the videos.

Power cleans are something I never saw..... which would explain the lack of explosiveness.  You know if we were doing cleans we would have seen a video of Bijhon.  Bijhon in high school:

Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: southarkhog06 on February 07, 2018, 04:10:35 am
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Fair enough, I thought it sounded odd that we wouldn't do them. Dou you have any info about how much of a focus was placed on deadlift versus other lifts?
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: factchecker on February 07, 2018, 05:29:41 am
Fair enough, I thought it sounded odd that we wouldn't do them. Dou you have any info about how much of a focus was placed on deadlift versus other lifts?

No clue.

I've never understood why they don't release their programming online.

You don't gain any competitive advantage by being secretive about your weight program.

If anything, you might provide a blueprint for local high schools to follow.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: factchecker on February 07, 2018, 07:09:44 am
I'll add this small tidbit.

All of the videos I've found of us deadlifting are with the hex/trap bars.  I prefer traditional dead-lift (with a mixed grip) over using trap bars but I've never done research to which is actually better at developing functional strength in relation to football.

I think trap bars are used for safety and because some athletes are taller and use the elevated handles.

Either way. Deadlift is a great lift.  It really generates a ton of power.  BUT I think power clean is the best at developing explosive power.  The only downside is safety and technique.

I look forward to what Coach Tru can do with our team.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: zebradynasty on February 07, 2018, 10:39:15 am
GOOD JOB FACTCHECKER! I new that just didn't sound right but because we got whipped so easily along the lines (and everywhere else) I actually thought it was possible we didn't deadlift!
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: supersaint on February 07, 2018, 02:37:26 pm
I'll add this small tidbit.

All of the videos I've found of us deadlifting are with the hex/trap bars.  I prefer traditional dead-lift (with a mixed grip) over using trap bars but I've never done research to which is actually better at developing functional strength in relation to football.

I think trap bars are used for safety and because some athletes are taller and use the elevated handles.

Either way. Deadlift is a great lift.  It really generates a ton of power.  BUT I think power clean is the best at developing explosive power.  The only downside is safety and technique.

I look forward to what Coach Tru can do with our team.


Correct on the reasons for using the trap bars.  Side note: an argument over dead lifts between Danny Ford and coach Stuckey was a big part of the reason why we lost Stuckey to TN.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: razorsharptusk on February 07, 2018, 07:27:30 pm
I best he has his hands full with the mental side of this team. Its like the mental toighness on the football field went out the window with the first negative play.  With no hope of recovering the rest of the game. I know these guys are young.  Hoping to see a whole new attitude and mindset this year.  A hunger.  If the saying holds true that "so goes the coach goes the players", I'm expecting a huge change.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 07, 2018, 07:57:01 pm
So it was the curse words in that rap music that made our defense like a sieve and our offense sluggish. Maybe they should listen to gospel music. If that helps them win the West, I'm all for it. But honestly, I don't put much stock into the impact of a strength and conditioning coach. They all use similar techniques to create a mood and to motivate guys to push themselves. It's happening all across the SEC, not just at Arkansas.

Respect, Respect for the family and Respect for the Team.  Maybe the fans should respect a coach's wishes to show people how to respect each other.  If I see the results I see on the SMU film I watched from last year...I am all for it.  Those kids didn't want him to leave.  There is a reason.
Title: Re: With a week or more in our new conditioning program
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on February 07, 2018, 08:06:25 pm
Respect, Respect for the family and Respect for the Team.  Maybe the fans should respect a coach's wishes to show people how to respect each other.

The more that you sacrifice, the more disciplined you become in every aspect of off season preparation, the more that you put out and overcome as a team, the more goals that you achieve as a total team unit, the less likely that you are going to be to give up at the first sign of adversity in the season. And that doesn't start in the season. It starts in the off season and when it is repetitive in nature, it becomes the standard culture that feeds over from season to season. It becomes the character and true nature of a team. This is what we need.