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Title: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Con el Cerdos on February 01, 2018, 06:02:59 pm
An increase over the prior year but by just a small bit.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-announces-shared-revenue-2018/
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 01, 2018, 06:06:46 pm
Ok.....since Ark received this, PLEASE PLEASE stop with the CBB stuff.  Lets go forward.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Con el Cerdos on February 01, 2018, 09:05:53 pm
Ok.....since Ark received this, PLEASE PLEASE stop with the CBB stuff.  Lets go forward.

What CBB stuff would that be?

Surely, you're not indicating that CBB had the least thing to do with the SEC signing broadcast contracts with ESPN and CBS.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RockyMtnHog on February 01, 2018, 09:38:55 pm
This is why Arkansas did not go to the Little 12.  Disbursements are smaller and the conference is on the verge of crashing.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 09:40:20 pm
This is why Arkansas did not go to the Little 12.  Disbursements are smaller and the conference is on the verge of crashing.

Totally. $40 million and 4 wins. Sounds good. $10 million per win, great ratio. Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi State got the same.  Until someone shows me a correlation between money earned from conference affiliation and wins per season, your argument is useless.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 09:50:08 pm
This is why Arkansas did not go to the Little 12.  Disbursements are smaller and the conference is on the verge of crashing.

Their payout was around $35M a team.  Interested to see how those 5 extra mil are gonna translate to Ws on the field.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 08:19:19 am
Their payout was around $35M a team.  Interested to see how those 5 extra mil are gonna translate to Ws on the field.

It would be closer to $29m, unless the school we would be partnered with was bringing a large TV audience. $350m split 12 ways instead of 10.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 08:24:36 am
I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: DeltaBoy on February 02, 2018, 08:25:46 am
Good for the Program.   Please folks stop any more little 12 talk.  The Money is just too good to leave.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 08:29:46 am
Good for the Program.   Please folks stop any more little 12 talk.  The Money is just too good to leave.

Yep very good for the program. We need that money to continue to buy out all of our coaches. SEC Titles = 0, BCS Wins = 0; its totaly worth it.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 08:30:13 am
Good for the Program.   Please folks stop any more little 12 talk.  The Money is just too good to leave.

What's wrong? You didn't find a way to use the C word in that post. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HoginMemphis on February 02, 2018, 08:34:16 am
It's why all schools, especially schools with benefactors like the U of A has, are able to make oversized buyout payments without blinking. U of A playing with monopoly money. Those here, and that would be most of you, who kept saying the U of A would not fire Bielema due to size of the buyout, did not understand at all the magnitude of the money falling out of U of A's pockets. The Bielema buyout is a one time event while the $41 million  + bowl revenue money is a recurring annual event.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 08:37:15 am
It would be closer to $29m, unless the school we would be partnered with was bringing a large TV audience. $350m split 12 ways instead of 10.

Big 12 isn't adding more teams without upping their TV deals/final payouts. Come on, rice.  You know that.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 08:38:34 am
I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.

You and me both. You'll get killed for that opinion on here, though.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: go hogues on February 02, 2018, 08:41:24 am
You and me both. You'll get killed for that opinion on here, though.
We'd play mediocre ball in the Big 12 too.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 08:44:00 am
We'd play mediocre ball in the Big 12 too.

So your logic is that the SEC is a far superior conference and the BIG 12 is trash. But if we moved to the BIG 12 it wouldnt translate to more wins? Yep that makes sense....
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 08:45:31 am
So your logic is that the SEC is a far superior conference and the BIG 12 is trash. But if we moved to the BIG 12 it wouldnt translate to more wins? Yep that makes sense....

And we have done very well against big 12 teams the last 10 years, but lets just forget that.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 08:47:14 am
We are a BIG 12 school wearing a nice shiny SEC mask.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 08:48:10 am
Big 12 isn't adding more teams without upping their TV deals/final payouts. Come on, rice.  You know that.

Correct, since we add nothing to their TV deals, we won't be asked to join, you know that.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 08:53:31 am
Good for the Program.   Please folks stop any more little 12 talk.  The Money is just too good to leave.
Are you making quite a bit off of it? Lol I laugh when the common fan talks about how great the $$$ is.

From my point of view ticket and donation costs only rise...even in light of “we are making so much money.” Who is “we?” Sure AF ain’t me. Costs as a regular season ticket holder have skyrocketed over the past 8 years in the midst of big time $$$$ tv deals and whatever else guys in suits affiliated with the university have schemed up.

It’s just a little pet peeve of mine when I hear “we are getting rich” in light of the average ticket holder losing more. The SEC chest thumping by fans makes little sense to me. “Ya we have been throttled by Alabama for the past 10 years plus!!! Awesome! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC!!”

I understand the stability concerns of the big 12 as legit reasoning why our school wouldn’t want to be there...regardless I still don’t see much, if any evidence that the SEC is a good fit for us. At absolute best...and I mean at our peak we are a middle of the road program. It’ll be interesting to see if Chad Morris can get us back to that level of respectability and out of the depths with Vandy and Kentucky.

My personal hope is that some day before I die there will be complete country wide conference realignment where it actually benefits our program vs what we have now....the non stopping struggle to maintain middle of the road.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: go hogues on February 02, 2018, 08:56:25 am
We are a BIG 12 school wearing a nice shiny SEC mask.
Which ANY current Big 12 school would gladly trade for.

We leave the SEC with our tail between our legs (to the extreme laughter of the college sporting world) and the millisecond we left, OU or UT would take our spot.

You think it's hard to get recruits now? Just wait until we're trying to sell a kid from Georgia or Florida to come play in the Big 12 north... It's not like the Texas recruiting would get any easier, either. I remember all those crowing about how adding A&M to the SEC would be a positive for the UA...while A&M has risen above us and now the rest of the SECW is raiding Texas with equal or better results than us.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 08:57:12 am
School Rival - Texas
Recruiting Grounds - BIG 12
Peak of program - SWC
Most of our admin and staff - BIG 12

Everything about us is BIG 12 but its all about the $ that none of us see
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 08:58:28 am
Which ANY current Big 12 school would gladly trade for.

We leave the SEC with our tail between our legs (to the extreme laughter of the college sporting world) and the millisecond we left, OU or UT would take our spot.

You think it's hard to get recruits now? Just wait until we're trying to sell a kid from Georgia or Florida to come play in the Big 12 north... It's not like the Texas recruiting would get any easier, either. I remember all those crowing about how adding A&M to the SEC would be a positive for the UA...while A&M has risen above us and now the rest of the SECW is raiding Texas with equal or better results than us.

Ill save myself some typing; every single detail about your response is wrong. Please move along.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 09:00:59 am
Which ANY current Big 12 school would gladly trade for.

We leave the SEC with our tail between our legs (to the extreme laughter of the college sporting world) and the millisecond we left, OU or UT would take our spot.

You think it's hard to get recruits now? Just wait until we're trying to sell a kid from Georgia or Florida to come play in the Big 12 north... It's not like the Texas recruiting would get any easier, either. I remember all those crowing about how adding A&M to the SEC would be a positive for the UA...while A&M has risen above us and now the rest of the SECW is raiding Texas with equal or better results than us.
Ya I’m sure Oklahoma State is dying to come to the SEC and throw away the annual top 20 rankings and 10 win seasons. Must suck to be them.

Stillwater, Oklahoma is obviously a much better venue to recruit to than Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: longtimeHogfan on February 02, 2018, 09:02:07 am
We're in the right place and our time's coming.  I just hope I live long enough to see it.   :P
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:02:34 am
Are you making quite a bit off of it? Lol I laugh when the common fan talks about how great the $$$ is.

From my point of view ticket and donation costs only rise...even in light of “we are making so much money.” Who is “we?” Sure AF ain’t me. Costs as a regular season ticket holder have skyrocketed over the past 8 years in the midst of big time $$$$ tv deals and whatever else guys in suits affiliated with the university have schemed up.

It’s just a little pet peeve of mine when I hear “we are getting rich” in light of the average ticket holder losing more. The SEC chest thumping by fans makes little sense to me. “Ya we have been throttled by Alabama for the past 10 years plus!!! Awesome! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC!!”

I understand the stability concerns of the big 12 as legit reasoning why our school wouldn’t want to be there...regardless I still don’t see much, if any evidence that the SEC is a good fit for us. At absolute best...and I mean at our peak we are a middle of the road program. It’ll be interesting to see if Chad Morris can get us back to that level of respectability and out of the depths with Vandy and Kentucky.

My personal hope is that some day before I die there will be complete country wide conference realignment where it actually benefits our program vs what we have now....the non stopping struggle to maintain middle of the road.

I am a fan of this post
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:03:45 am
We're in the right place and our time's coming.  I just hope I live long enough to see it.   :P

We've been in the SEC a quarter century with next to no results. I wouldn't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Karma on February 02, 2018, 09:03:50 am
Correct, since we add nothing to their TV deals, we won't be asked to join, you know that.
If we asked to be the in Big 12, they'd climb all over themselves to add us. You know this.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:05:52 am
Which ANY current Big 12 school would gladly trade for.

We leave the SEC with our tail between our legs (to the extreme laughter of the college sporting world) and the millisecond we left, OU or UT would take our spot.

You think it's hard to get recruits now? Just wait until we're trying to sell a kid from Georgia or Florida to come play in the Big 12 north... It's not like the Texas recruiting would get any easier, either. I remember all those crowing about how adding A&M to the SEC would be a positive for the UA...while A&M has risen above us and now the rest of the SECW is raiding Texas with equal or better results than us.

I think OU probably likes knowing they are likely going to make the CFP every three years, but maybe that's just me.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 09:05:54 am
If we asked to be the in Big 12, they'd climb all over themselves to add us. You know this.

Do I? It's all about money and TV contracts these days, we don't add any additional TV sets to their footprint.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: go hogues on February 02, 2018, 09:09:35 am
School Rival - Texas
Recruiting Grounds - BIG 12
Peak of program - SWC
Most of our admin and staff - BIG 12

Everything about us is BIG 12 but its all about the $ that none of us see
Sorry dude. We moved out of that conference in 1991. You can hang your hat on being 1-1 vs. TCU and Texas Tech and being 2-0 against KSU the last few seasons but the rest of us would like to remain in a stable conference and compete against the best.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 09:09:46 am
Do I? It's all about money and TV contracts these days, we don't add any additional TV sets to their footprint.

What do we add to the SEC footprint?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: hoghiker on February 02, 2018, 09:10:08 am
I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.
We'd be studs in the Sun Belt.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:12:23 am
We'd be studs in the Sun Belt.

P5 to G5 comparison never gets old; you fundamentally do not understand the argument if you go there.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:12:54 am
Sorry dude. We moved out of that conference in 1991. You can hang your hat on being 1-1 vs. TCU and Texas Tech and being 2-0 against KSU the last few seasons but the rest of us would like to remain in a stable conference and compete lose against the best.

FIFY
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 09:14:26 am
Sorry dude. We moved out of that conference in 1991. You can hang your hat on being 1-1 vs. TCU and Texas Tech and being 2-0 against KSU the last few seasons but the rest of us would like to remain in a stable conference and compete against the best.

Keep telling yourself that... There are way more of us that would rather win than prostitute the program for $. The myth of the big 12 demise keeps going, yet it continues to survive.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 09:15:16 am
P5 to G5 comparison never gets old; you fundamentally do not understand the argument if you go there.

They think they are slick when they slip that one in
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 09:16:49 am
I think OU probably likes knowing they are likely going to make the CFP every three years, but maybe that's just me.


Of course they do. Saying otherwise is a “SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC!” homer spin job. OU is sitting in a perfect situation. It would be dumber than a bag of hammers for them to willingly move conferences (especially the SEC West) so they could make an extra few million off a tv contract and whatever else comparable to what they already have.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 09:17:45 am
Keep telling yourself that... There are way more of us that would rather win than prostitute the program for $. The myth of the big 12 demise keeps going, yet it continues to survive.

Arkansas BCS wins = 0, BIG 12 not 0. Heck even Kansas has a BCS win.....
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ur on February 02, 2018, 09:19:18 am
Trade with West Virginia
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 09:22:01 am
Sorry dude. We moved out of that conference in 1991. You can hang your hat on being 1-1 vs. TCU and Texas Tech and being 2-0 against KSU the last few seasons but the rest of us would like to remain in a stable conference and compete against the best.
What is your definition of competing? In the past 10 years we have “competed” in about 3 or 4 of them. I do however agree with the stability point of the Big 12.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 09:23:44 am
What is your definition of competing? In the past 10 years we have “competed” in about 3 or 4 of them. I do however agree with the stability point of the Big 12.

That part is a myth. How many years have they been saying the BIG 12 was going to crash. Almost as long as we have been in the SEC. Yet the Big 12 continues to live.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 02, 2018, 09:25:08 am
I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.
Then lets go FCS.  You got like a man that shys away from competition. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 09:25:35 am
Then lets go FCS

Dumb sir you are
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:26:17 am
Then lets go FCS

We'd be studs in the Sun Belt.

P5 to G5 comparison never gets old; you fundamentally do not understand the argument if you go there.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: AP85 on February 02, 2018, 09:29:48 am
Sorry dude. We moved out of that conference in 1991. You can hang your hat on being 1-1 vs. TCU and Texas Tech and being 2-0 against KSU the last few seasons but the rest of us would like to remain in a stable conference and compete against the best.

Get skull drug by the best.....you mean?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: AP85 on February 02, 2018, 09:30:36 am
We're in the right place and our time's coming.  I just hope I live long enough to see it.   :P
Lol.

Change your name to Longtimedelusionalhogfan.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: AP85 on February 02, 2018, 09:31:33 am
I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.

You speak the truth.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 09:35:51 am
That part is a myth. How many years have they been saying the BIG 12 was going to crash. Almost as long as we have been in the SEC. Yet the Big 12 continues to live.
That’s a fair point. It wouldn’t completely surprise me if the “the big 12 is unstable and could come crashing down at any time” mantra is simply SEC homer hype.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: FineAsSwine on February 02, 2018, 09:41:52 am
What do we add to the SEC footprint?

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2011/1990-sec-expansion-southeastern-conference/

“The SEC’s area of dominant influence fell short of the footprint desired by many consumer-oriented companies,” which Kramer sought as sponsors. To make the “footprint” more sponsor-friendly, Kramer wanted to move into South Carolina, Arkansas and especially Texas. By targeting Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas, Kramer had effectively declared war on the Southwest Conference, where all three schools were members.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 09:41:57 am
I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.

We wouldn't have the same level of teams in the B12.  Our recruiting base expanded when we left the SWC.  The roster Ford left for Nutt was much bigger and faster than what we had when left the SWC.  The Cotton Bowl in 2000 should have been an eye opener to how we were no longer the small underdogs.  It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too if we don't want to turn into TT and Ok St which would not be good in the SEC.

I do understand being starstruck with Ok St's win totals. 

We took great news about $40.9 million and turned it into another negative about our football program.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 02, 2018, 09:43:12 am
Dumb sir you are
Why?   You want to play less competition so you can get more wins, right?   7 wins in the SEC, 8-9 in the Big12, 12 wins in the Sunbelt, 14 wins and a natty in the FCS.   You want more wins, why stop at 8?

Quit telling yourself we don't understand, we do.  You want to move to the Big 12 because the competiton is easier in your mind, that is a p***y move.  If your gonna wear a dress, go all out.  Wear some makeup and heels, shave your legs and get your hair done.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 09:45:33 am
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2011/1990-sec-expansion-southeastern-conference/

“The SEC’s area of dominant influence fell short of the footprint desired by many consumer-oriented companies,” which Kramer sought as sponsors. To make the “footprint” more sponsor-friendly, Kramer wanted to move into South Carolina, Arkansas and especially Texas. By targeting Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas, Kramer had effectively declared war on the Southwest Conference, where all three schools were members.

So we bring Petit Jean Meats? Got it.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 09:46:41 am
Why?   You want to play less competition so you can get more wins, right?   7 wins in the SEC, 8-9 in the Big12, 12 wins in the Sunbelt, 14 wins and a natty in the FCS.   You want more wins, why stop at 8?

Quit telling yourself we don't understand, we do.  You want to move to the Big 12 because the competiton is easier in your mind, that is a p***y move.  If your gonna wear a dress, go all out.  Wear some makeup and heels, shave your legs and get your hair done.

I mean if you're cool with averaging like 6 wins a year, that's all you. I'd rather average 9 and still be in a P5.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:47:59 am
We wouldn't have the same level of teams in the B12.  Our recruiting base expanded when we left the SWC.  The roster Ford left for Nutt was much bigger and faster than what we had when left the SWC.  The Cotton Bowl in 2000 should have been an eye opener to how we were no longer the small underdogs.  It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some to if we don't want to turn into TT and Ok St which would not be good in the SEC.

I do understand being starstruck with Ok St's win totals. 

We took great news about $40.9 million and turned it into another negative about our football program.

That Cotton Bowl was nearly two decades ago; you still hanging onto that one?  Might I remind you we lost the Cotton Bowl to OU in '02.

Morris has repeatedly said TX recruiting is a key. What are you talking about?

13 of our competitors got the same check. It's not good or bad news; it is what it is.  Big checks don't create W's.  We've been collecting SEC checks for over a quarter century; I've yet to see significant results from all this money.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 09:48:18 am
We wouldn't have the same level of teams in the B12.  Our recruiting base expanded when we left the SWC.  The roster Ford left for Nutt was much bigger and faster than what we had when left the SWC.  The Cotton Bowl in 2000 should have been an eye opener to how we were no longer the small underdogs.  It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some to if we don't want to turn into TT and Ok St which would not be good in the SEC.

I do understand being starstruck with Ok St's win totals. 

We took great news about $40.9 million and turned it into another negative about our football program.

Everything you just said is 100% wrong.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Davidr295 on February 02, 2018, 09:48:51 am
Why?   You want to play less competition so you can get more wins, right?   7 wins in the SEC, 8-9 in the Big12, 12 wins in the Sunbelt, 14 wins and a natty in the FCS.   You want more wins, why stop at 8?

Quit telling yourself we don't understand, we do.  You want to move to the Big 12 because the competiton is easier in your mind, that is a p***y move.  If your gonna wear a dress, go all out.  Wear some makeup and heels, shave your legs and get your hair done.

LOL, so dumb.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:49:14 am
I mean if you're cool with averaging like 6 wins a year, that's all you. I'd rather average 9 and still be in a P5.

Mama always said stupid is as stupid does.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 09:50:06 am
That Cotton Bowl was nearly two decades ago; you still hanging onto that one?  Might I remind you we lost the Cotton Bowl to OU in '02?

Morris has repeatedly said TX recruiting is a key. What are you talking about?

13 of our competitors got the same check. It's not good or bad news; it is what it is.  Big checks don't create W's.  We've been collecting SEC checks for over a quarter century; I've yet to see significant results from all this money.

Troll elsewhere. 

Everything you just said is 100% wrong.

At least have the courtesy to tell me why you believe it is wrong.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:52:17 am
Troll elsewhere. 

At least have the courtesy to tell me why you believe it is wrong.

Yeah, that's not trolling, bub.

Unless your definition of trolling is getting called on your, frankly misguided, post and having nothing to say back.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 09:54:14 am
We wouldn't have the same level of teams in the B12.  Our recruiting base expanded when we left the SWC.  The roster Ford left for Nutt was much bigger and faster than what we had when left the SWC.  The Cotton Bowl in 2000 should have been an eye opener to how we were no longer the small underdogs.  It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too if we don't want to turn into TT and Ok St which would not be good in the SEC.

I do understand being starstruck with Ok St's win totals. 

We took great news about $40.9 million and turned it into another negative about our football program.
Are you kidding me? Chad Morris is going to put a huge emphasis on recruiting Texas. I can’t remember the exact number (someone else probably will) but I believe he said in an early interview we would get 10 plus commits/year there once we got established.

And to your point on the 40.9 million...it gets real old because it is used as a crutch. Win 1 conference game at the conclusion of a 5 year integrity/uncommon rebuild? That’s cool because someone made a lot of money!
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 09:56:27 am
Are you kidding me? Chad Morris is going to put a huge emphasis on recruiting Texas. I can’t remember the exact number (someone else probably will) but I believe he said in an early interview we would get 10 plus commits/year there once we got established.

And to your point on the 40.9 million...it gets real old because it is used as a crutch. Win 1 conference game at the conclusion of a 5 year integrity/uncommon rebuild? That’s cool because someone made a lot of money!

Do you ignorant -------- not know how to read?  "It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too "

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 09:57:20 am
What do we add to the SEC footprint?

Nothing, but we entered 25 years ago at a different time, so not comparable.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 09:57:39 am
Do you ignorant -------- not know how to read?  "It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too "

But, but, but the emphasis is on TEXAS. THE HORROR.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 09:58:09 am
But, but, but the emphasis is on TEXAS. THE HORROR.

No ----.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 02, 2018, 10:00:28 am
I mean if you're cool with averaging like 6 wins a year, that's all you. I'd rather average 9 and still be in a P5.
Why does p5 matter?  Either you want to play with the big boys or you don't.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 10:01:49 am
Why does p5 matter?  Either you want to play with the big boys or you don't.

Because we still have a shot at the playoffs in a P5. And I consider P5 conferences as "the big boys." So there's that.

Would you like to make the playoffs? I know you just wanna make it to the BCS but we really can't do that anymore.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 10:02:21 am
Why does p5 matter?  Either you want to play with the big boys or you don't.

Ever heard of this thing called the College Football Playoff?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 10:03:05 am
Do you ignorant -------- not know how to read?  "It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too "


Hey ignorant ****, a majority of our recruits will come out of Texas once relationships establish. Which I READ and heard Chad Morris talk about. He even gave an estimated number/year which I can’t remember exactly so I won’t say.

It is notable that you think otherwise. We will see and revisit...if it is otherwise (similar to Bielema with minimal Texas recruiting success) I’ll eat crow. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 02, 2018, 10:04:19 am
LOL, so dumb.
So do you want to play less competion or not?  is the SEC to hard for you?  I know your answer, but lets hear you admit it.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 10:05:17 am
Hey ignorant ****, a majority of our recruits will come out of Texas once relationships establish. Which I READ and heard Chad Morris talk about. He even gave an estimated number/year which I can’t remember exactly so I won’t say.



Never disputed this. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 02, 2018, 10:05:49 am
Hey ignorant ****, a majority of our recruits will come out of Texas once relationships establish. Which I READ and heard Chad Morris talk about. He even gave an estimated number/year which I can’t remember exactly so I won’t say.

It is notable that you think otherwise. We will see and revisit...if it is otherwise (similar to Bielema with minimal Texas recruiting success) I’ll eat crow. 
Bret said he came to win SEC schampionships?  You see how that works?  Just because it is said doesn't make true.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 10:07:50 am
So do you want to play less competion or not?  is the SEC to hard for you?  I know your answer, but lets hear you admit it.

Who in their right mind would want to play more competition?  Does Wal-Mart like having Amazon around?

It's not too hard for me; I don't play the games nor am I a coach.  I'd say the SEC is too hard for Arkansas to consistently compete for championships based on their performance the past 25 years.  Seems like a large enough sample of mediocrity to draw a conclusion.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 10:08:13 am
Bret said he came to win SEC schampionships?  You see how that works?  Just because it is said doesn't make true.   
Ya because Arkansas winning a SEC championship is equivalent to getting kids out of Texas to play here.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 02, 2018, 10:09:09 am
So do you want to play less competion or not?  is the SEC too* hard for you?  I know your answer, but lets hear you admit it.

FIFY, & Yes.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ur on February 02, 2018, 10:10:57 am
Ark and SC weren't the top two that Kramer wanted. Prob the last two. They wouldn't cry if we left or traded with WVa.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2011/1990-sec-expansion-southeastern-conference/
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HeathWimp on February 02, 2018, 10:17:40 am
Hooray!  I feel so much better about all of those times we got our skulls kicked in last season!
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: go hogues on February 02, 2018, 10:21:17 am
Get skull drug by the best.....you mean?
Lately, yes. There's no reason we can't be better, though. We have twice the resources of Mississippi State and they have figured out a way to hold their own.

I can't even imagine the negative recruiting used against us, re: "those guys couldn't hack it in a real conference, so they snuck off like a coward to play Iowa State, Kansas and KSU every week. Do you really want to be a part of a team with that kind of mindset?"

 :puke:
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 10:25:25 am
Lately, yes. There's no reason we can't be better, though. We have twice the resources of Mississippi State and they have figured out a way to hold their own.

I can't even imagine the negative recruiting used against us, re: "those guys couldn't hack it in a real conference, so they snuck off like a coward to play Iowa State, Kansas and KSU every week. Do you really want to be a part of a team with that kind of mindset?"

 :puke:

Just gotta try REALLY hard and really BELIEVE we can DO IT!
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 10:28:39 am
Lately, yes. There's no reason we can't be better, though. We have twice the resources of Mississippi State and they have figured out a way to hold their own.

I can't even imagine the negative recruiting used against us, re: "those guys couldn't hack it in a real conference, so they snuck off like a coward to play Iowa State, Kansas and KSU every week. Do you really want to be a part of a team with that kind of mindset?"

 :puke:

"Yeah you'd be in the SEC, but what does that matter if you're sitting at the bottom of the totem pole."

Negative recruiting goes both ways.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HeathWimp on February 02, 2018, 10:35:24 am
Lately, yes. There's no reason we can't be better, though. We have twice the resources of Mississippi State and they have figured out a way to hold their own.

I can't even imagine the negative recruiting used against us, re: "those guys couldn't hack it in a real conference, so they snuck off like a coward to play Iowa State, Kansas and KSU every week. Do you really want to be a part of a team with that kind of mindset?"

 :puke:

Iowa State would whoop our butt now.  K-State most years.  I do feel good about our chances with KU, though.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Karma on February 02, 2018, 10:37:38 am
Do I? It's all about money and TV contracts these days, we don't add any additional TV sets to their footprint.
Hogville is funny. Some on here claim that Arkansas has a better football tradition than Notre Dame, and others say we couldn't even get into the Big 12 if we wanted.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 10:47:08 am
Hogville is funny. Some on here claim that Arkansas has a better football tradition than Notre Dame, and others say we couldn't even get into the Big 12 if we wanted.
Which we don't, but you are correct, opinions on HV are funny.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: jkstock04 on February 02, 2018, 10:49:18 am
"Yeah you'd be in the SEC, but what does that matter if you're sitting at the bottom of the totem pole."

Negative recruiting goes both ways.
With our track record...the past couple of years especially, “negative recruiting” against the Hogs is shooting fish in a barrel. In our society today what happened almost 10 years ago when the program was middle of the road relevant is now essentially...irrelevant. What matters is what is going on “right here and now.”

Make no mistake about it, if and when it comes to pass that there is a major conference realignment that makes for an easier path for the Hogs’ success (vs being in the SEC West) these same SEC homers will be the first on board.

I can see it now, “Well guys the writing was on the wall there, it just wasn’t ever going to happen...this will be 1000 times better.”
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 10:50:20 am
Iowa State would whoop our butt now.  K-State most years.  I do feel good about our chances with KU, though.

K St has been no physical match for us.  Slower and smaller. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 10:55:49 am
K St has been no physical match for us.  Slower and smaller.

Great, I'd rather play them every year than any of the SECW.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 10:57:30 am
Great, I'd rather play them every year than any of the SECW.

We would be smaller and slower too in time if we reduce our recruiting footprint back to the B12's. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ur on February 02, 2018, 11:02:22 am
Enrollment with texas kids would skyrocket more than it is now and that is a lot. Kids being able to go home for the weekend and catch a nearby razorback game would be huge. Huge increase in enrollment, texas recruiting, closer away games, plus poss more wins would prob make up for the $4-5 mill difference. I'm okay either way.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 11:02:52 am
We would be smaller and slower too in time if we reduce our recruiting footprint back to the B12's.

Based on what?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 11:04:27 am
We would be smaller and slower too in time if we reduce our recruiting footprint back to the B12's.

Am I missing something?  Have our recruiting classes been filled with studs from AL, GA, FL year in, year out?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 11:07:41 am
Based on what?

Isolating ourselves back into Ar, Tx, Ok and the Midwest wasteland of recruiting. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 11:08:14 am
Isolating ourselves back into Ar, Tx, Ok and the Midwest wasteland of recruiting.

Am I missing something?  Have our recruiting classes been filled with studs from AL, GA, FL year in, year out?

Furthermore, A&M had 6 Louisiana players on its roster in its final Big 12 season. They had 6 on their roster last year.

By all means, keep digging that hole.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 11:15:11 am


Rarely.  But we would be isolating ourselves into the second tier players in just Texas and Ok with a move to the B12.  More limited options and splitting them with the other B12 members. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 02, 2018, 11:16:18 am
Isolating ourselves back into Ar, Tx, Ok and the Midwest wasteland of recruiting.

Do you pay attention?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:33 am
Furthermore, A&M had 6 Louisiana players on its roster in its final Big 12 season. They had 6 on their roster last year.

A&M gets top tier players in Texas in most classes whether in the SEC or when they were in the B12.  We aren't. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 02, 2018, 11:18:08 am
Who in their right mind would want to play more competition?  Does Wal-Mart like having Amazon around?

It's not too hard for me; I don't play the games nor am I a coach.  I'd say the SEC is too hard for Arkansas to consistently compete for championships based on their performance the past 25 years.  Seems like a large enough sample of mediocrity to draw a conclusion.
Do you see Wal Mart running from Amazon?   Is Wal-Mart going leave the retail industry and go to cryptocurrency because it EASIER to compete?   If our football team was made up of guys like you that are afraid of competiton, we wouldn't win one game.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 11:18:21 am
A&M gets top tier players in Texas in most classes whether in the SEC or when they were in the B12.  We aren't.

Well the point was that we would likely not lose the Louisiana pull we already have; you clearly missed said point.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HeathWimp on February 02, 2018, 11:18:45 am
K St has been no physical match for us.  Slower and smaller. 

Bobby beat K-State, and Bert beat them with his best team, which had a lot of Bobby holdovers.  K-State could have named the score against us last year against Bert's "uncommon" choir boys.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 11:19:22 am
Rarely.  But we would be isolating ourselves into the second tier players in just Texas and Ok with a move to the B12.  More limited options and splitting them with the other B12 members.

Are we getting top tier players in SEC states now? Your argument makes no sense.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 11:20:17 am
Do you see Wal Mart running from Amazon?  Is Wal-Mart going leave the retail industry and go to cryptocurrency because it EASIER to compete?   If our football team was made up of guys like you that are afraid of competiton, we wouldn't win one game.   

I'll take "Terrible Comparisons" for $600, Alex.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 11:26:35 am
Do you see Wal Mart running from Amazon?   Is Wal-Mart going leave the retail industry and go to cryptocurrency because it EASIER to compete?   If our football team was made up of guys like you that are afraid of competiton, we wouldn't win one game.   

Does Wal-Mart LIKE having Amazon around? In other words, does Wal-Mart WANT more competition?  Answer is no, in case you still didn't get it.

Now that we've cleared up reading comprehension/critical thinking are not your strong suit, I'll address the second part of your post: We don't win too many SEC games as is so what's your point?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 11:27:18 am
Are we getting top tier players in SEC states now? Your argument makes no sense.

Already answered in last post.

Well the point was that we would likely not lose the Louisiana pull we already have; you clearly missed said point.

There is no point as our recruiting situation isn't comparable to A&M's in recruiting Texas or La due to location. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 11:30:56 am
Already answered in last post.

There is no point as our recruiting situation isn't comparable to A&M's in recruiting Texas or La due to location.

So we're going to suffer because we give up some SEC recruiting grounds, but you acknowledge we don't get any players from said grounds as is.

Checks out.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 11:33:20 am
So we're going to suffer because we give up some SEC recruiting grounds, but you acknowledge we don't get any players from said grounds as is.

Checks out.

Never posted that. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 11:36:33 am
Never posted that.


So we're going to suffer because we give up some SEC recruiting grounds, but you acknowledge we rarely get any players from said grounds as is.

Checks out.

Same concept. Sorry hyperbole stunted your ability to comprehend.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 11:38:29 am
So we're going to suffer because we give up some SEC recruiting grounds, but you acknowledge we don't get any players from said grounds as is.

Checks out.



30 players from SEC states that aren't AR, MO or TX.


http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/sport/m-footbl/roster/
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on February 02, 2018, 11:40:35 am


So we're going to suffer because we give up some SEC recruiting grounds, but you acknowledge we rarely get any players from said grounds as is.

Checks out.

Same concept. Sorry hyperbole stunted your ability to comprehend.

Am I missing something?  Have our recruiting classes been filled with studs from AL, GA, FL year in, year out?

You used a description of studs.  We rarely get what is considered a stud recruit from those states.  Doesn't mean we don't get good recruits who turn out to be good SEC players from those states.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 11:43:26 am
You used a description of studs.  We rarely get what is considered a stud recruit from those states.  Doesn't mean we don't get good recruits who turn out to be good SEC players from those states.

Studs move the needle. Aren't we talking about moving the needle? 

Are mid tier TX players slower than mid tier GA players? Are they smaller too?

You said we'll get slower and smaller if we moved to the Big 12 with absolutely nothing to back that up
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 12:09:18 pm
It's why all schools, especially schools with benefactors like the U of A has, are able to make oversized buyout payments without blinking. U of A playing with monopoly money. Those here, and that would be most of you, who kept saying the U of A would not fire Bielema due to size of the buyout, did not understand at all the magnitude of the money falling out of U of A's pockets. The Bielema buyout is a one time event while the $41 million  + bowl revenue money is a recurring annual event.

The RF is responsible for paying the buyout. They don't get any money from the SEC. Donations to the RF is paying that buyout. However in a roundabout way big buyouts are made possible by having a big enough program to have enough donors and /or big donors to any type of group like the RF which ALL big programs have.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: AP85 on February 02, 2018, 12:44:23 pm
Do you see Wal Mart running from Amazon?   Is Wal-Mart going leave the retail industry and go to cryptocurrency because it EASIER to compete?   If our football team was made up of guys like you that are afraid of competiton, we wouldn't win one game.   

I like seeing amazon slap Walmart around.


Walmart can’t keep up. Already showing effects by closing that return center up there.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 01:49:15 pm
I like seeing amazon slap Walmart around.


Walmart can’t keep up. Already showing effects by closing that return center up there.

Why? Walmart is important to the state of Arkansas's economy and the UA. Amazon isn't. Besides Walmart has gotten into the internet game itself. They own Jet and are buying other sites and etailers. Heck they could buy Amazon if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogtimes on February 02, 2018, 01:54:14 pm
Correct, since we add nothing to their TV deals, we won't be asked to join, you know that.
It would be closer to $29m, unless the school we would be partnered with was bringing a large TV audience. $350m split 12 ways instead of 10.

Well to be fair, their distribution is  $40 million more when the  Sugar Bowl is  not  part  of the playoffs.... . approximately $4 million more per team.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 02, 2018, 01:57:36 pm
Does Wal-Mart LIKE having Amazon around? In other words, does Wal-Mart WANT more competition?  Answer is no, in case you still didn't get it.

Now that we've cleared up reading comprehension/critical thinking are not your strong suit, I'll address the second part of your post: We don't win too many SEC games as is so what's your point?
Are we playing football or selling groceries?  Who said any about MORE competition? Nobody is asking for more, I'm not saying we should go to the NFL. You are just asking for LESS.  Do you want to put your tail between your legs and run? Is Wal-mart running from Amazon like you want to do? 

So if we don't win enough for your liking in the Big 12, where should we go next?  Sun Belt?  AAC? 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 01:59:50 pm
Does Wal-Mart LIKE having Amazon around? In other words, does Wal-Mart WANT more competition?  Answer is no, in case you still didn't get it.

Now that we've cleared up reading comprehension/critical thinking are not your strong suit, I'll address the second part of your post: We don't win too many SEC games as is so what's your point?

Gee I guess Amazon loves having competition then...............no wait it doesn't. It would like to not have it just the same as Walmart doesn't.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hog-Corleone on February 02, 2018, 02:09:44 pm
Does Wal-Mart LIKE having Amazon around? In other words, does Wal-Mart WANT more competition?  Answer is no, in case you still didn't get it.

Now that we've cleared up reading comprehension/critical thinking are not your strong suit, I'll address the second part of your post: We don't win too many SEC games as is so what's your point?

Wal-Mart may not like, or may not want the competition, but it does make them better.  It means they have to continuously improve their marketing strategies, they have to continuously improve their overhead positions, etc.  If there were no competition, then the consumer would suffer with a whole lot of fat on Wal-Mart, and prices would rise to keep the pig fed. 

So, if you want to make that comparison you can, but in the end, better competition makes you better.  Check out what happened to OU, when they actually had to step out of the little 12 and play someone that was seasoned with better competition.  You're argument is stuck in a silo at best.  I would say that if we left the SEC, our level of recruiting, as bad as it may or may not have been, would get worse, because kids, unlike yourself, want to play against the best year in and year out. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 02:23:45 pm
Are we playing football or selling groceries?  Who said any about MORE competition? Nobody is asking for more, I'm not saying we should go to the NFL. You are just asking for LESS.  Do you want to put your tail between your legs and run? Is Wal-mart running from Amazon like you want to do? 

So if we don't win enough for your liking in the Big 12, where should we go next?  Sun Belt?  AAC?

Why?   You want to play less competition so you can get more wins, right?   7 wins in the SEC, 8-9 in the Big12, 12 wins in the Sunbelt, 14 wins and a natty in the FCS.   You want more wins, why stop at 8?

Quit telling yourself we don't understand, we do.  You want to move to the Big 12 because the competiton is easier in your mind, that is a p***y move.  If your gonna wear a dress, go all out.  Wear some makeup and heels, shave your legs and get your hair done.

I'd be pretty ok with 8.5 wins a year and winning the conference  (and likely going to the playoff)  on average every five years.  Keep holding onto this faux macho we play the best stuff.  I want what best gives the Razorbacks a chance to win a national championship, and I hate to break it to you that's not in the SEC West. Maybe in the BCS days it was, but with the CFP a one loss P5 conference champ will be in nearly every time.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 02:42:01 pm
Wal-Mart may not like, or may not want the competition, but it does make them better.  It means they have to continuously improve their marketing strategies, they have to continuously improve their overhead positions, etc.  If there were no competition, then the consumer would suffer with a whole lot of fat on Wal-Mart, and prices would rise to keep the pig fed. 

So, if you want to make that comparison you can, but in the end, better competition makes you better.  Check out what happened to OU, when they actually had to step out of the little 12 and play someone that was seasoned with better competition.  You're argument is stuck in a silo at best.  I would say that if we left the SEC, our level of recruiting, as bad as it may or may not have been, would get worse, because kids, unlike yourself, want to play against the best year in and year out.

Are you really trying to say a double overtime loss means you are an inferior team with inferior talent? If Riley just kicks it deep to end the half I doubt UGA wins that game. OU was unstoppable in the first half.

Would you rather be in the top third of your conference in recruiting rankings or the bottom third?  I'd rather be in the top third and have a more talented team than the majority of my competition which likely lead to a conference championship, and a subsequent playoff berth.  Easier to beat TCU, OSU, OU, Bama than it is to beat Auburn, LSU, Bama, UGA, [insert P5 conf champ]

I don't think recruiting would slip much for the reasons discussed above; unless we get a generational head coach we will likely never be a heavy hitter in recruiting.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: wildturkey8 on February 02, 2018, 02:49:51 pm
Are you really trying to say a double overtime loss means you are an inferior team with inferior talent? If Riley just kicks it deep to end the half I doubt UGA wins that game. OU was unstoppable in the first half.

Would you rather be in the top third of your conference in recruiting rankings or the bottom third?  I'd rather be in the top third and have a more talented team than the majority of my competition which likely lead to a conference championship, and a subsequent playoff berth.  Easier to beat TCU, OSU, OU, Bama than it is to beat Auburn, LSU, Bama, UGA, [insert P5 conf champ]

I don't think recruiting would slip much for the reasons discussed above; unless we get a generational head coach we will likely never be a heavy hitter in recruiting.


A Sooner in our mist.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 02:50:44 pm
A Sooner in our mist.

I guess it's hard to see who's standing in our midst with all that mist around.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 02:52:25 pm
A Sooner in our mist.

I'm not surprised that's what you took out of that post considering you don't know the difference between mist and midst.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 02, 2018, 02:52:36 pm
A Sooner in our mist.

I guess it's hard to see who's standing in our midst with all that mist around.

Nah, just a little too much Wild Turkey on this Friday afternoon.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 02:53:46 pm
Nah, just a little too much Wild Turkey on this Friday afternoon.

"Midsty taste of moonshine, teardrop in my eye..."
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 03:08:35 pm
I'm not surprised that's what you took out of that post considering you don't know the difference between mist and midst.

I must say that the point was missed.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Karma on February 02, 2018, 03:13:21 pm
Why? Walmart is important to the state of Arkansas's economy and the UA. Amazon isn't. Besides Walmart has gotten into the internet game itself. They own Jet and are buying other sites and etailers. Heck they could buy Amazon if they wanted to.
Amazon's market cap is more than double the size of Walmart. So, don't think WMT could buy AMZN.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: AP85 on February 02, 2018, 03:19:59 pm
Amazon's market cap is more than double the size of Walmart. So, don't think WMT could buy AMZN.

Correct. It’s a foolish assumption to think Wal-Mart will push around amazon long term.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 03:21:57 pm
Why? Walmart is important to the state of Arkansas's economy and the UA. Amazon isn't. Besides Walmart has gotten into the internet game itself. They own Jet and are buying other sites and etailers. Heck they could buy Amazon if they wanted to.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 03:26:13 pm
Amazon's market cap is more than double the size of Walmart. So, don't think WMT could buy AMZN.

All 14 SEC schools as retailers: Go!
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 03:59:44 pm
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

Just your everyday leveraged buyout.....
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hog-Corleone on February 02, 2018, 04:04:13 pm
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

One should look at oneself before one quotes confucius...
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hog-Corleone on February 02, 2018, 04:12:14 pm
Are you really trying to say a double overtime loss means you are an inferior team with inferior talent? If Riley just kicks it deep to end the half I doubt UGA wins that game. OU was unstoppable in the first half.

Would you rather be in the top third of your conference in recruiting rankings or the bottom third?  I'd rather be in the top third and have a more talented team than the majority of my competition which likely lead to a conference championship, and a subsequent playoff berth.  Easier to beat TCU, OSU, OU, Bama than it is to beat Auburn, LSU, Bama, UGA, [insert P5 conf champ]

I don't think recruiting would slip much for the reasons discussed above; unless we get a generational head coach we will likely never be a heavy hitter in recruiting.


No, but if they were battle tested, against better competition, they might not have gotten the brakes beat off of them in the second half.  That was the point. 

And yes, our recruiting would be worse in the BIG 12.  With all due respect, and remember, I'm saying with all due respect, most kids coming out of high school, that aren't going to Alabama or LSU or Auburn, want to play against them.  Not against TCU, or Baylor, or KU, or KSU, or TT, you could even throw OU and Texass in there as well.  And turning a kid from BAMA, or LSU, or Auburn would be much more difficult in the Big 12 than it is in the SEC.  Hell, They would probably even prefer to play at MState, Missouri, or Ole Miss, and play against those other schools, than go to Arkansas and play in the Big12.  Great players want great competition. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 04:21:32 pm
I'm not surprised that's what you took out of that post considering you don't know the difference between mist and midst.

Some day you'll either use bad grammar or misspell a word and get called out it.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 04:22:15 pm
Nah, just a little too much Wild Turkey on this Friday afternoon.

Damn I haven't even started drinking yet! I better get started.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 04:23:39 pm
No, but if they were battle tested, against better competition, they might not have gotten the brakes beat off of them in the second half.  That was the point. 

And yes, our recruiting would be worse in the BIG 12.  With all due respect, and remember, I'm saying with all due respect, most kids coming out of high school, that aren't going to Alabama or LSU or Auburn, want to play against them.  Not against TCU, or Baylor, or KU, or KSU, or TT, you could even throw OU and Texass in there as well.  And turning a kid from BAMA, or LSU, or Auburn would be much more difficult in the Big 12 than it is in the SEC.  Hell, They would probably even prefer to play at MState, Missouri, or Ole Miss, and play against those other schools, than go to Arkansas and play in the Big12.  Great players want great competition.


Georgia was "battle tested" and got the brakes beat off them in the first half.  I don't agree with your recruiting take, we rarely flip a big name from those schools as is so nothing would change.  But, so you don't get blue in the face, we'll pretend that happens. And I'll just refer you to my previous post:


Would you rather be in the top third of your POWER 5 conference in recruiting rankings or the bottom third?  I'd rather be in the top third and have a more talented team than the majority of my competition which likely lead to a conference championship, and a subsequent playoff berth.  Easier to beat TCU, OSU, OU, Bama than it is to beat Auburn, LSU, Bama, UGA, [insert P5 conf champ]

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 04:25:11 pm
Amazon's market cap is more than double the size of Walmart. So, don't think WMT could buy AMZN.

Double? Last time I checked they had surpassed them but it wasn't near doubling. Besides market capitalization has little to do with with it. A LOT of times a company with a less cap can buy one with a higher one. Market cap is solely a stock measure. And there are a LOT lot things that affect stock value. I would suggest you look ta few other numbers before saying that.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 04:25:19 pm
One should look at oneself before one quotes confucius...

If thinking Arkansas has a better chance of winning a national championship in the Big 12 than the SEC makes you a fool, then you betcha I am.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 04:30:22 pm
Double? Last time I checked they had surpassed them but it wasn't near doubling. Besides market capitalization has little to do with with it. A LOT of times a company with a less cap can buy one with a higher one.

689B is more than double 309B. It took me approximately 15 seconds to look that information up; you should try doing that more often. To put it in perspective for you, the time it took to look that up is approximately three to four of your ellipsis strokes you seem to have anytime you're attempting to prove a point.

You're right, market cap often has very little to do with an acquisition. How would any merger ever happen? Hell, Wal-Mart only has $8B in cash on its books. Would you care to explain for the class how Wal-Mart is going to go about this takeover of Amazon? 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 04:35:26 pm
689B is more than double 309B. It took me approximately 15 seconds to look that information up; you should try doing that more often. You're right, market cap often has very little to do with an acquisition. How would any merger ever happen? Hell, Wal-Mart only has $8B in cash on its books. Would you care to explain for the class how Wal-Mart is going to go about this takeover of Amazon? 

I said last time I looked it up. I didn't say that was today. Hell I'm not surprised you would. Did I say they were GOING to take over Amazon. No I didn't. That doesn't mean that couldn't IF they wanted to. As far as the cash goes a LOT of times companies are bought with little cash exchanging hands.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 04:37:54 pm
689B is more than double 309B. It took me approximately 15 seconds to look that information up; you should try doing that more often. To put it in perspective for you, the time it took to look that up is approximately three to four of your ellipsis strokes you seem to have anytime you're attempting to prove a point.

You're right, market cap often has very little to do with an acquisition. How would any merger ever happen? Hell, Wal-Mart only has $8B in cash on its books. Would you care to explain for the class how Wal-Mart is going to go about this takeover of Amazon? 

Is it a takeover, or are they buying them? In either case, it only takes money, it doesn't have to be your own.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hog-Corleone on February 02, 2018, 04:38:08 pm
If thinking Arkansas has a better chance of winning a national championship in the Big 12 than the SEC makes you a fool, then you betcha I am.

Probably still gotta beat BAMA, LSU, or GA to do it, so what's the difference between knocking them off early than later.  I think there was a team in the BIG 12 a few years ago that was left out that was undefeated.  Prior to the Playoffs, but 2 teams from the SEC made it this year, and there were several teams wiht the same records, that were left out. 

Doesn't matter, I like travelling to Oxford, and Baton Rouge, and Auburn, and Tuscaloosa, and Knoxville.  Waco, Lubbock, Lawrence, Manhattan, Norman, Stillwater... Not so much... Try selling that to a 5-star outside of TX.  The position you are taking, is "I can't hack it here, so I am going to take my ball and go play in the little 12".  Sorry, dude, my momma didn't raise me like that.  That's why the best coaches are fighting for a chance to coach in the SEC.  and that's why the best players want to play there.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 04:39:09 pm
I said last time I looked it up. I didn't say that was today. Hell I'm not surprised you would. Did I say they were GOING to take over Amazon. No I didn't. That doesn't mean that couldn't IF they wanted to. As far as the cash goes a LOT of times companies are bought with little cash exchanging hands.

Yes, sherlock, that is why I pointed to Wal-Mart's relatively low cash balance. Wal-Mart could not buy Amazon if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 04:45:32 pm
Probably still gotta beat BAMA, LSU, or GA to do it, so what's the difference between knocking them off early than later.  I think there was a team in the BIG 12 a few years ago that was left out that was undefeated. Prior to the Playoffs, but 2 teams from the SEC made it this year, and there were several teams wiht the same records, that were left out. 

Doesn't matter, I like travelling to Oxford, and Baton Rouge, and Auburn, and Tuscaloosa, and Knoxville.  Waco, Lubbock, Lawrence, Manhattan, Norman, Stillwater... Not so much... Try selling that to a 5-star outside of TX.  The position you are taking, is "I can't hack it here, so I am going to take my ball and go play in the little 12".  Sorry, dude, my momma didn't raise me like that.  That's why the best coaches are fighting for a chance to coach in the SEC.  and that's why the best players want to play there.

First Bold: Wrong

Second Bold: Oklahoma made it, too. They play in the ___________.  To come out of the SEC this year we'd have to beat those two aforementioned teams plus the entire SECW (which includes a team that beat both of those teams.)

Third Bold: That's great for you; thanks for sharing.

Fourth Bold: I don't care how your mother raised you, but thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 04:45:42 pm
Yes, sherlock, that is why I pointed to Wal-Mart's relatively low cash balance. Wal-Mart could not buy Amazon if they wanted to.

Sure they can. So could several other companies. You're missing a couple of huge hints in those financials. But I'll not tell you. Figure it out for yourself since you think you're so smart.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 04:48:15 pm
Sure they can. So could several other companies. You're missing a couple of huge hints in those financials. But I'll not tell you.

Please explain for the class.  Forgive me for being skeptical that you are well versed in looking at and understanding 10-Ks.  Might I ask you, if they had the means, why they would not want to acquire Amazon?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 04:51:34 pm
Please explain for the class.  Forgive me for being skeptical that you are well versed in looking at and understanding 10-Ks.  Might I ask you, if they had the means, why they would not want to acquire Amazon?

Might be dumbest thing you may have ever said or asked on here. Just because a company CAN do something doesn't mean they WANT to do it or SHOULD do it.

Besides it might be tough to get past the government bureaucrats.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 04:57:50 pm
Might be dumbest thing you may have ever said or asked on here. Just because a company CAN do something doesn't mean they WANT to do it or SHOULD do it.

Besides it might be tough to get past the government bureaucrats.

Bold seems a little redundant.

Direct competition, strong fundamentals. Seems like a move you'd want to make, doesn't it?

I agree, it would likely run into some legal issues. But aside from Amazon being highly levered can you please explain to me why Wal-Mart would not WANT to do it?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hog-Corleone on February 02, 2018, 05:01:41 pm
First Bold: Wrong - TCU 2010 was Undefeated - Left OUT

Second Bold: Oklahoma made it, too. They play in the ___________.  To come out of the SEC this year we'd have to beat those two aforementioned teams plus the entire SECW (which includes a team that beat both of those teams.) No, Georgia lost to Alabama.

Third Bold: That's great for you; thanks for sharing.  Yes, I have great taste, and don't enjoy the smell of stockyards and meth labs.

Fourth Bold: I don't care how your mother raised you, but thanks for sharing. Just a comment on my personality, I like competition, and want to compete against the best, whether its in sports, or in business.  It gives me a greater feeling of accomplishment win or lose.


So, we can agree to disagree, but i doubt this conversation changes your opinion, my opinion, nor will it sway the opinions of those who ultimately make the decisions.  So, I am pretty much done here...
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 02, 2018, 05:07:43 pm
So, we can agree to disagree, but i doubt this conversation changes your opinion, my opinion, nor will it sway the opinions of those who ultimately make the decisions.  So, I am pretty much done here...

TCU was in the Mountain West in 2010. Arkansas plays Alabama and Auburn every year as members of the western division. We would have needed to beat both to get to Atlanta where we would have faced Georgia.

Fact you can't figure that out for yourself means I am done here as well.


 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 05:14:52 pm
TCU was in the Mountain West in 2010. Arkansas plays Alabama and Auburn every year as members of the western division. We would have needed to beat both to get to Atlanta where we would have faced Georgia.

Fact you can't figure that out for yourself means I am done here as well.


 

Not necessarily, we could have beaten only one of them, as long as every other West team has two losses, and we only have one.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 02, 2018, 05:24:21 pm
I clicked on this fully expecting to see the same age old argument about us tucking tail and leaving the SEC.  It's like watching a car crash...you know what's coming, but you still don't look away. 

So disappointed in myself.  I know better. 

Aren't you guys a little worried that if we can't beat TCU and Texas Tech in our last two attempts collectively, then it might be tough to get past OU and OSU?  We better forget about that and drop another notch into the Sunbelt.  Probably win there easier.   ::)
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hou-Hog on February 02, 2018, 05:29:23 pm
Their payout was around $35M a team.  Interested to see how those 5 extra mil are gonna translate to Ws on the field.
the Big 12 payout is not an even distribution meaning that Texas and OU receive a larger share than the rest of the members.  So unless you did a really good job negotiating on your way in you would see a natural divide within the conference.  At least the SEC splits the funds equitably
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hou-Hog on February 02, 2018, 05:38:07 pm
Bold seems a little redundant.

Direct competition, strong fundamentals. Seems like a move you'd want to make, doesn't it?

I agree, it would likely run into some legal issues. But aside from Amazon being highly levered can you please explain to me why Wal-Mart would not WANT to do it?
i have to agree, it is humorous to think that folks on this board think that Wal-Mart could possibly purchase Amazon.  There is no chance.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 02, 2018, 05:44:40 pm
If thinking Arkansas has a better chance of winning a national championship in the Big 12 than the SEC makes you a fool, then you betcha I am.

Why?  How?  Didn't we just recently get beat by TCU and Texas Tech?  Do you think there's any way we would have beaten OU or OSU?  Even K-state, maybe even TX last year? 

I just don't understand the concept that we would move to the Big 12 and mop up.  I don't see it. 

You're going on and on about how OU should have beat UGA, but doesn't that just shoot holes in your argument?  Do we REALLY want to go be second fiddle to OU and TX?  Does that change ANYTHING?  TX won't stay down long...don't kid yourself. 

What difference would it be getting curb stomped, trying to figure out how to beat OU versus trying to beat Bama?  What would be different? 

I just think it's funny...we can't beat Toledo, and some fans think that all we have to do is show up, and the Big 12 will just hand us the conference title.  I don't see any evidence of that at all. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 02, 2018, 05:46:29 pm
i have to agree, it is humorous to think that folks on this board think that Wal-Mart could possibly purchase Amazon.  There is no chance.

But...as we sit here and type, Walmart is hiring the smartest minds, and working HARD to try to topple Amazon.  We'll see if they can do it, because it will be a primary focus moving forward.  Maybe it will be like us trying to beat Bama.   ;)
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on February 02, 2018, 06:06:54 pm
Their payout was around $35M a team.  Interested to see how those 5 extra mil are gonna translate to Ws on the field.
they actually translate directly into losses....
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: LRRandy on February 02, 2018, 06:45:26 pm
i have to agree, it is humorous to think that folks on this board think that Wal-Mart could possibly purchase Amazon.  There is no chance.
what if they ordered it online
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 06:55:08 pm
i have to agree, it is humorous to think that folks on this board think that Wal-Mart could possibly purchase Amazon.  There is no chance.

That not a chance statement has been made by a lot of people plenty of times in business deals only to be wrong.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HoggyCat on February 02, 2018, 08:00:49 pm
So your logic is that the SEC is a far superior conference and the BIG 12 is trash. But if we moved to the BIG 12 it wouldnt translate to more wins? Yep that makes sense....

We’re in the SEC playing against Big 12 opponents now. We beat 2 HORRIBLE big 12 teams in bowls and split home & home series against TCU & TT.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: tophawg19 on February 02, 2018, 09:31:13 pm
What do we add to the SEC footprint?
very respectable teams in football, basketball ,baseball and track.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Karma on February 02, 2018, 10:26:50 pm
Is it a takeover, or are they buying them? In either case, it only takes money, it doesn't have to be your own.
You would argue with a wall. Even when the wall is right.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: hobhog on February 02, 2018, 11:24:01 pm
We should move to big 12 and make less money. And play Arkansas state.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 03, 2018, 08:07:47 am
You would argue with a wall. Even when the wall is right.

Find some fallacy in my point, or go away little boy.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: 26.2Hog on February 03, 2018, 08:24:20 am
Is it a takeover, or are they buying them? In either case, it only takes money, it doesn't have to be your own.

In this case it would take more than money.  It would also take the approval of the FTC.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 03, 2018, 08:26:33 am
In this case it would take more than money.  It would also take the approval of the FTC.

True, but the point is, smaller companies have bought out larger companies before. I don't see it in this particular case ever happening, but that it's not an impossibility.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 03, 2018, 08:33:38 am
Not necessarily, we could have beaten only one of them, as long as every other West team has two losses, and we only have one.

This revisionist history assumes we win all of our games.  Not gonna change the variables of other teams, unless it is a change from W/L against us. In this scenario, I'll concede on second look, I don't believe we would have had to beat both; win vs. Auburn and loss vs. Alabama would create a three way tie. I believe we would go to Atlanta over Bama on non divisional opponent's conference winning percentage tie breaker. 

Point was, as I'm sure you understood, to get a shot at the playoff you still had to play and in most years probably beat three teams in contention for the playoff in the final weeks.  The road to the playoff in most years would be easier in the Big 12 than the SECW; I don't think there's much of an argument against that.

On another note, while we normally don't agree, I appreciate a differing view point who knows their stuff and can back it up with sources, facts, etc.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 03, 2018, 08:47:45 am
Why?  How?  Didn't we just recently get beat by TCU and Texas Tech?  Do you think there's any way we would have beaten OU or OSU?  Even K-state, maybe even TX last year? 

I just don't understand the concept that we would move to the Big 12 and mop up.  I don't see it. 

You're going on and on about how OU should have beat UGA, but doesn't that just shoot holes in your argument?  Do we REALLY want to go be second fiddle to OU and TX?  Does that change ANYTHING?  TX won't stay down long...don't kid yourself. 

What difference would it be getting curb stomped, trying to figure out how to beat OU versus trying to beat Bama?  What would be different? 

I just think it's funny...we can't beat Toledo, and some fans think that all we have to do is show up, and the Big 12 will just hand us the conference title.  I don't see any evidence of that at all.

Hate to break it to you, but we're currently sixth or seventh fiddle in just our division let alone the whole conference.

Which of these is more likely for the Hogs to accomplish: beat TCU, OSU, OU, and then one of the three again in the CCG, or beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia.

I don't think anyone is insinuating we would dominate the Big 12, but that season every 5-7 years where we catch lightning in a bottle we'd probably play in the CFP.  2011 was our best finish in recent memory, where, at one point, we had a legitimate shot at a national title.  Didn't we STILL finish third in our DIVISION?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: longtimeHogfan on February 03, 2018, 09:02:20 am
We've been in the SEC a quarter century with next to no results. I wouldn't hold your breath.

At my age Mrs. Longtime panics if she sees me holding my breath.  She won't even let me buy green bananas. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Karma on February 03, 2018, 11:07:18 am
Find some fallacy in my point, or go away little boy.
Your point is that the big 12 wouldn't accept us. That's your opinion. It's not a fact you pompous numbskull.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 03, 2018, 11:53:34 am
Your point is that the big 12 wouldn't accept us. That's your opinion. It's not a fact you pompous numbskull.

How about keeping up, you quoted a post I had on a buyout, nothing to do with the Big 12, lol.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Silver Hog on February 03, 2018, 01:42:01 pm
That's our disability payment, we didn't earn it this year. Maybe next.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: LZH on February 04, 2018, 03:50:26 am
I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.

My guess is the only fights you got into were against puny kids. If a grown ass man-child called you out, you'd probably moonwalk right out of that situation.

When are you guys gonna get that it's our fault for not beating the better SEC teams? It's up to us to get better. You wanna play Kansas every year but playing Arkansas State is blasphemy?

Butch up and grow a pair.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: East Clintwood on February 04, 2018, 12:43:50 pm
We better enjoy this big check because there won't be any more big checks coming in the future.

This check is only this huge because last year we had the most wonderfulest and greatest athletic directer in the whole sports world.

Unfortunately,  in a mistake typical for Arkansas athletics, we fired this most bestest of AD's thereby dooming us to the cellar of the conference and economic ruin.

Only Jeffy could have saved us.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 12:01:49 pm
Hate to break it to you, but we're currently sixth or seventh fiddle in just our division let alone the whole conference.

Which of these is more likely for the Hogs to accomplish: beat TCU, OSU, OU, and then one of the three again in the CCG, or beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia.

I don't think anyone is insinuating we would dominate the Big 12, but that season every 5-7 years where we catch lightning in a bottle we'd probably play in the CFP.  2011 was our best finish in recent memory, where, at one point, we had a legitimate shot at a national title.  Didn't we STILL finish third in our DIVISION?

Again..this falls squarely under the heading of, "If you set your goals low enough, you'll accomplish them every time." 

Someone used the Walmart example with regard to competition.  If Walmart was to completely shy away from internet sales, and just bow to Amazon...what would happen?  They would slowly become irrelevant as people become more and more about staying home for shopping, and less about going to the big store to fight the crowds and sick people. 

You don't back down from the competition, you rise up to it.  We've talked about this ad nauseum, and I guess it's just a mentality.  I would rather go get my teeth kicked in by someone better than me at the golf course, because I'll be forced to get better.  Some people would rather go play with lesser competition and be perfectly happy with always winning if they just play their normal game. 

It's fine...I understand it's a mentality, and it differs greatly.  Something that's easy to get, isn't worth having.  Sorry..that's just how I view things, and we are obviously on the opposite side of the fence. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 12:15:14 pm
Again..this falls squarely under the heading of, "If you set your goals low enough, you'll accomplish them every time." 

Someone used the Walmart example with regard to competition.  If Walmart was to completely shy away from internet sales, and just bow to Amazon...what would happen?  They would slowly become irrelevant as people become more and more about staying home for shopping, and less about going to the big store to fight the crowds and sick people. 

You don't back down from the competition, you rise up to it.  We've talked about this ad nauseum, and I guess it's just a mentality.  I would rather go get my teeth kicked in by someone better than me at the golf course, because I'll be forced to get better. Some people would rather go play with lesser competition and be perfectly happy with always winning if they just play their normal game. 

It's fine...I understand it's a mentality, and it differs greatly.  Something that's easy to get, isn't worth having.  Sorry..that's just how I view things, and we are obviously on the opposite side of the fence.

We haven't risen up in 25 years, but I am sure if we try harder we will get better.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: LZH on February 05, 2018, 12:19:19 pm
Again..this falls squarely under the heading of, "If you set your goals low enough, you'll accomplish them every time." 

You don't back down from the competition, you rise up to it.  We've talked about this ad nauseum, and I guess it's just a mentality.  I would rather go get my teeth kicked in by someone better than me at the golf course, because I'll be forced to get better.  Some people would rather go play with lesser competition and be perfectly happy with always winning if they just play their normal game.

I'm teeing off from the ladies' box!!!
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Cinco de Hogo on February 05, 2018, 12:19:52 pm
It would be closer to $29m, unless the school we would be partnered with was bringing a large TV audience. $350m split 12 ways instead of 10.

TV balked at adding teams to the B12 that didn’t increase viewership.  Do you think Arkansas is in that category?

By the way, I watched quite a lot of B12 games this year simply because I wasn’t interested in a lot of SEC games.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 12:31:11 pm
We haven't risen up in 25 years, but I am sure if we try harder we will get better.

Again...you're assuming that by moving to what you OBVIOUSLY perceive as a weaker conference, we will stay strong and not drop to the level that the Big 12 is.  Why would that happen?  Outside of OU, and not even sure about them, the rigors of playing in the SEC would wear down the Big 12.  I guess you're insinuating that if we move over there, we'll keep the same level of toughness it takes to take the pounding week in and week out, which would give us an advantage?  Again, why would that continue if we're playing lesser opponents every week?  It wouldn't....we would slide down relative to the level of competition, and we have nowhere near the relationships, reputation, or pull that OU has.  Wouldn't they just be our new Bama? 

I have every reason to believe that if we're managing around 30-35 most years in recruiting rankings, we would expect that to slide back if we leave the SEC.  Couple that with playing lesser competition every week, and pretty soon we're the Texas Tech of the Big 12 aren't we?

Sorry...I just think we have to get the pieces and parts in place to do better, not drop down to succeed.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 12:37:03 pm
Again...you're assuming that by moving to what you OBVIOUSLY perceive as a weaker conference, we will stay strong and not drop to the level that the Big 12 is.  Why would that happen?  Outside of OU, and not even sure about them, the rigors of playing in the SEC would wear down the Big 12.  I guess you're insinuating that if we move over there, we'll keep the same level of toughness it takes to take the pounding week in and week out, which would give us an advantage?  Again, why would that continue if we're playing lesser opponents every week?  It wouldn't....we would slide down relative to the level of competition, and we have nowhere near the relationships, reputation, or pull that OU has.  Wouldn't they just be our new Bama? 

I have every reason to believe that if we're managing around 30-35 most years in recruiting rankings, we would expect that to slide back if we leave the SEC.  Couple that with playing lesser competition every week, and pretty soon we're the Texas Tech of the Big 12 aren't we?

Sorry...I just think we have to get the pieces and parts in place to do better, not drop down to succeed.   

There it is again; we just need to get better. I'd say that is probably a good call.

We average around 25-27 in recruiting; we are normally 8-10th in recruiting rankings for the SEC. If we dropped ten spots we would be ranked 4th in Big 12 recruiting. Third if we maintained our current rankings.

Nice try.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 12:44:31 pm
I'm teeing off from the ladies' box!!!

Yep...same analogy.  It would be like a minor league pitcher who was making just enough to have an apartment and drive a Camry thinking..."Yeah, I don't want to work any harder than I am now.  No desire to get to the big leagues at all.  Those guys up there can really hit.  I'll stay down here where the competition isn't as tough and be perfectly content." 

Maybe that enough for some people...but I don't even fathom that mentality.  I'm old and I still compete in anything I'm involved with, and I'd rather get wrecked by someone good and learn from it, than beat the snot out of someone far less skilled.  Hollow victory. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 12:50:13 pm
Yep...same analogy.  It would be like a minor league pitcher who was making just enough to have an apartment and drive a Camry thinking..."Yeah, I don't want to work any harder than I am now.  No desire to get to the big leagues at all.  Those guys up there can really hit.  I'll stay down here where the competition isn't as tough and be perfectly content." 

Maybe that enough for some people...but I don't even fathom that mentality.  I'm old and I still compete in anything I'm involved with, and I'd rather get wrecked by someone good and learn from it, than beat the snot out of someone far less skilled.  Hollow victory.

No it wouldn't. You'd be replaced on the roster by another minor league pitcher in about 2 seconds.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 12:52:54 pm
There it is again; we just need to get better. I'd say that is probably a good call.

We average around 25-27 in recruiting; we are normally 8-10th in recruiting rankings for the SEC. If we dropped ten spots we would be ranked 4th in Big 12 recruiting. Third if we maintained our current rankings.

Nice try.

Again...you're EXTRAPOLATING that we would stay where we are.  It's probably safe to assume that we would drop back significantly.  Where would our players come from?  Now a player that's considering us or TCU can just stay home and be closer right? 

Sorry...you're making a lot of assumptions, and you're missing my point.  WHEN YOU DROP IN COMPETITION, you drop EVERYWHERE.  That's just how it works.  While we're at it...can you name a team that left a big conference, and landed somewhere and just dominated, and has managed to IMPROVE themselves nationally?  I can't think of one.  You're talking about a model that doesn't exist...  Drop in competition, and you drop.  It's true in ANY sport. 

Play tennis with guys that murder you...you'll improve.  Play basketball with guys that school you...you'll improve.  Play those sports with people that you're already better than, and you'll stay where you are, or go backward. 

Why do you think football is any different?  It's not.  We would drop back..and be mid-pack or so with our up years being higher, very similar to where we are in the SEC.  Why?  Because Arkansas is a small state, and we fight Texas for recruits.  Take away the allure of the SEC and how many NFL players come from that conference, and you're left competing with the Texas teams on an even more level playing field. 

Oh never mind.  Let's just drop clear back to the Sunbelt and beat up on everyone for about 3 years, based solely on what we have now and our facilities.  Then when the money goes away, and the level of competition isn't there, we'll stay right where we are...I'm sure of it.   ::)  /sarcasm. 

Do you see how silly it sounds when you just take it a LITTLE step further?  It's no different. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 12:55:04 pm
No it wouldn't. You'd be replaced on the roster by another minor league pitcher in about 2 seconds.

That's my point...thank you.  You CANNOT lose the desire to compete at the highest level, or you go backward.  There is no "status quo."  Drop back in competition, you will drop back period. 

The guys who move up from the minors put in the extra effort, and go the extra mile.  They realize they can't lurk in the minors.  Is there ONE single example of a football team that decided they couldn't cut it, dropped back, and were successful long term?  I can't think of any. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 12:57:39 pm
That's my point...thank you.  You CANNOT lose the desire to compete at the highest level, or you go backward.  There is no "status quo."  Drop back in competition, you will drop back period. 

The guys who move up from the minors put in the extra effort, and go the extra mile.  They realize they can't lurk in the minors.  Is there ONE single example of a football team that decided they couldn't cut it, dropped back, and were successful long term?  I can't think of any.

What if that pitcher has hit his ceiling in one organization and he's not doing so hot and has incredibly average years with some good and really bad years sporadically thrown in, but then he's traded to another organization that's a better fit for him and he flourishes?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 12:58:08 pm
Again...you're EXTRAPOLATING that we would stay where we are.  It's probably safe to assume that we would drop back significantly.  Where would our players come from?  Now a player that's considering us or TCU can just stay home and be closer right? 

Sorry...you're making a lot of assumptions, and you're missing my point.  WHEN YOU DROP IN COMPETITION, you drop EVERYWHERE.  That's just how it works.  While we're at it...can you name a team that left a big conference, and landed somewhere and just dominated, and has managed to IMPROVE themselves nationally?  I can think of one.  You're talking about a model that doesn't exist...  Drop in competition, and you drop.  It's true in ANY sport. 

Play tennis with guys that murder you...you'll improve.  Play basketball with guys that school you...you'll improve.  Play those sports with people that you're already better than, and you'll stay where you are, or go backward. 

Why do you think football is any different?  It's not.  We would drop back..and be mid-pack or so with our up years being higher, very similar to where we are in the SEC.  Why?  Because Arkansas is a small state, and we fight Texas for recruits.  Take away the allure of the SEC and how many NFL players come from that conference, and you're left competing with the Texas teams on an even more level playing field. 

Oh never mind.  Let's just drop clear back to the Sunbelt and beat up on everyone for about 3 years, based solely on what we have now and our facilities.  Then when the money goes away, and the level of competition isn't there, we'll stay right where we are. 

Do you see how silly it sounds when you just take it a LITTLE step further?  It's no different.

Has this higher level of competition made our program more successful over the past quarter century?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 05, 2018, 12:59:51 pm
Has this higher level of competition made our program more successful over the past quarter century?

NO.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 03:56:04 pm
Has this higher level of competition made our program more successful over the past quarter century?

Compared to what?  Compared to what we would be doing in the Big 12?  To what we did in the SWC?  What's your barometer? 

Are you just assuming we would do better elsewhere?     

I'm still awaiting an example of a team that left a major conference for a lower level, and has had continued success after "dropping back."  Crickets...as expected.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 04:02:47 pm
What if that pitcher has hit his ceiling in one organization and he's not doing so hot and has incredibly average years with some good and really bad years sporadically thrown in, but then he's traded to another organization that's a better fit for him and he flourishes?

What if ifs and butts were candy and nuts?  We'd all have a Merry Christmas right? 

I think the analogy was lost in the mix somewhere.  The point is...you're always striving for the highest level of competition if you want to improve and be the best.  It's why Bama and the prominent programs play top programs in OOC play isn't it? 

The pitcher example was about work ethic and desire.  But...if we took your example and say that he's traded, and gets another trainer and maybe someone who is very adept at identifying weaknesses so he can focus on overcoming them....absolutely.  If he gets traded and expects things to go better without changing something, then no. 

It's apples to oranges.  It would be like a minor league pitcher thinking AAA is too tough, and wanting to go back to AA.  See the difference?

We're talking about taking less money, and playing in a conference that's viewed to be weaker by most.  The path to the NC would not be any easier after about year 2 or 3.  We would water down to that level. 

We lost to TCU and TT in our last two attempts against the Big 12.  But...we're going to jump over there and challenge OU and have an easier path to the NC.  Pull my other leg... 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 04:08:45 pm
Compared to what?  Compared to what we would be doing in the Big 12?  To what we did in the SWC?  What's your barometer? 

Are you just assuming we would do better elsewhere?     

I'm still awaiting an example of a team that left a major conference for a lower level, and has had continued success after "dropping back."  Crickets...as expected.   

Which of these is more likely for the Hogs to accomplish: beat TCU, OSU, OU, and then one of the three again in the CCG, or beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia.


During the last round of conference realignment we effectively made superconferences (hence the P5 distinction.) Miami's schedule, as an example, got more difficult by joining the ACC. 

That's your argument? It hasn't been done before, so that means we'd fail?  Great argument.

Since you deflected the question I'll ask again. How has all this competition made Arkansas better?  Do we have some Championship trophies I am forgetting about?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 04:12:42 pm
What if ifs and butts were candy and nuts?  We'd all have a Merry Christmas right? 

I think the analogy was lost in the mix somewhere.  The point is...you're always striving for the highest level of competition if you want to improve and be the best.  It's why Bama and the prominent programs play top programs in OOC play isn't it? 

The pitcher example was about work ethic and desire.  But...if we took your example and say that he's traded, and gets another trainer and maybe someone who is very adept at identifying weaknesses so he can focus on overcoming them....absolutely.  If he gets traded and expects things to go better without changing something, then no. 

It's apples to oranges.  It would be like a minor league pitcher thinking AAA is too tough, and wanting to go back to AA.  See the difference?

We're talking about taking less money, and playing in a conference that's viewed to be weaker by most.  The path to the NC would not be any easier after about year 2 or 3.  We would water down to that level. 

We lost to TCU and TT in our last two attempts against the Big 12. But...we're going to jump over there and challenge OU and have an easier path to the NC.  Pull my other leg...

We also beat them in 2014 and 2016, respectively.  I'll defer to my previous post again; maybe you will understand it this time:

Which of these is more likely for the Hogs to accomplish: beat TCU, OSU, OU, and then one of the three again in the CCG, or beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: LA Football fan on February 05, 2018, 04:21:21 pm
What if ifs and butts were candy and nuts?  We'd all have a Merry Christmas right? 

I think the analogy was lost in the mix somewhere.  The point is...you're always striving for the highest level of competition if you want to improve and be the best.  It's why Bama and the prominent programs play top programs in OOC play isn't it? 

The pitcher example was about work ethic and desire.  But...if we took your example and say that he's traded, and gets another trainer and maybe someone who is very adept at identifying weaknesses so he can focus on overcoming them....absolutely.  If he gets traded and expects things to go better without changing something, then no. 

It's apples to oranges.  It would be like a minor league pitcher thinking AAA is too tough, and wanting to go back to AA.  See the difference?

We're talking about taking less money, and playing in a conference that's viewed to be weaker by most.  The path to the NC would not be any easier after about year 2 or 3.  We would water down to that level. 

We lost to TCU and TT in our last two attempts against the Big 12.  But...we're going to jump over there and challenge OU and have an easier path to the NC.  Pull my other leg... 

What is keeping us from striving for the best in the Big 12????   We didn't seem to have a problem when in the SWC in recruiting players to compete for championships.   Why has that changed???  We would still be recruiting the SAME areas we do now, we would be playing closer to our recruiting area week in and week out,  the local media would have more coverage of our program in the recruiting area in large part due to playing d1 teams in their coverage areas.  It is your OPINION that we would drop but until we make the move that is all it is.  You haven't proven anything but make statements that can only be proven by changing conferences and seeing the results. 

What is not opinion, is that we have been nothing more than middle of the pack in the SEC since joining, and even in one of our best years we STILL finished third in our division, much less the entire SEC.  The facts are that we would NOT be playing the juggernaut schedule in the Big 12 we are playing YEARLY in just our division.  Having to play ONE elite program at this time in OU is a heck of a lot better than having to play three or four yearly just to win a conference title.  It is obvious the road to qualifying for the CFP would be much easier in the Big 12 and OU having that easy road is one of the main reasons they can recruit so well in Texas and other recruiting areas.  OU would not be interested in the least in taking our place in the SEC either and have to play the schedule we play every year.   There is no way they would want to play Bama, Auburn, LSU, and Texas A&M yearly, and then possibly having to play Georgia and Florida as East opponents too.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 04:27:33 pm
During the last round of conference realignment we effectively made superconferences (hence the P5 distinction.) Miami's schedule, as an example, got more difficult by joining the ACC. 

That's your argument? It hasn't been done before, so that means we'd fail?  Great argument.

Since you deflected the question I'll ask again. How has all this competition made Arkansas better?  Do we have some Championship trophies I am forgetting about?

I said no.  It hasn't made us better, but what's your comparison...the SWC?  It doesn't exist anymore, and the Big 12 is a much different dynamic, and there's a lot more money at the same schools we competed against in the SEC.  You want to use a few examples....how about Rice, or Houston.  They were in the SWC, and dropped back in competition.  Are their prospects for the highest level of achievement that great?   


I don't think for one second that jumping to the Big 12 would make us better either.  I've answered your question, and made my stance clear. 

You are assuming we would keep the same recruiting numbers, and be better in the Big 12 as a result.  I don't believe that at all.  At that point...what's the allure of a kid from Dallas coming to play for the Hogs versus another conference team that's much closer?  Zero.  I get it..the counter argument is...we would play more games in TX, so their parents would see them more than if they were in the SEC.       

Again...these are ALL issues that the UA has struggled to overcome, and they are all related to the population of our state and the numbers.  If we want to drop back to a conference where we would win a lot of games, then the Big 12 isn't the place to do it.  We would need to drop clear back to the Sunbelt or siimilar, so that we might have a fighting chance to overcome our recruiting deficit by being able to sign more Arkansas kids and still be competitive at that level. 

You guys are convinced we would do better in the Big 12 than the SEC.  Not buying it.  Can't beat TCU or TT...can't expect to beat OU, OSU, and TX on a regular basis, which is what it would take.  And what do you do when the other teams in that conference get sick of TX and OU taking a bigger cut of the pie, and it implodes?  Beg our way back into another P5 conference with the rallying point being all of the TV viewership we can offer???  Yeah..that would work.   

I've made my argument.  It's an assumption, but it's based on EVERY single sporting analogy you can find.  You lower your level of competition, and it lowers you.  Period.  Argue if you want to, but other than maybe a very brief stint for an athlete to drop back and regain their confidence...it's not the way to achieving anything significant. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 04:33:06 pm
What is keeping us from striving for the best in the Big 12????   We didn't seem to have a problem when in the SWC in recruiting players to compete for championships.   Why has that changed???  We would still be recruiting the SAME areas we do now, we would be playing closer to our recruiting area week in and week out,  the local media would have more coverage of our program in the recruiting area in large part due to playing d1 teams in their coverage areas.  It is your OPINION that we would drop but until we make the move that is all it is.  You haven't proven anything but make statements that can only be proven by changing conferences and seeing the results. 

What is not opinion, is that we have been nothing more than middle of the pack in the SEC since joining, and even in one of our best years we STILL finished third in our division, much less the entire SEC.  The facts are that we would NOT be playing the juggernaut schedule in the Big 12 we are playing YEARLY in just our division.  Having to play ONE elite program at this time in OU is a heck of a lot better than having to play three or four yearly just to win a conference title.  It is obvious the road to qualifying for the CFP would be much easier in the Big 12 and OU having that easy road is one of the main reasons they can recruit so well in Texas and other recruiting areas.  OU would not be interested in the least in taking our place in the SEC either and have to play the schedule we play every year.   There is no way they would want to play Bama, Auburn, LSU, and Texas A&M yearly, and then possibly having to play Georgia and Florida as East opponents too.

Did OU beat UGA and win the NC?  Did I miss something?  Did the Big 12 prepare them to beat the SEC teams, or did they lose to the second best SEC team, and maybe not even that if Auburn doesn't sustain some injuries? 

Again, to beat the best, you have to play the best.  They came up short.  They won more, but lost when it counted, despite having the Heisman trophy winner. 

You see it differently, and want a place to relive the old SWC glory. Guess what...the Rice, Baylor (of old), and Houston's ain't there anymore.  The Big 12 schools have MUCH more fertile recruiting grounds than us, pretty good money for facilities, and comparing what the landscape was like pre-1992 is not applicable now. 

Leave the SEC...and even the players in Arkansas will be more likely to go out of state to SEC schools. 

And hell yes...these are my opinions.  Are yours facts or something?  You've stated your case, I disagree.  YOU NEVER GO FORWARD BY DROPPING BACK.  EVER.  If you don't believe that, then good luck in life. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 04:41:51 pm

We're talking about taking less money, and playing in a conference that's viewed to be weaker by most.  The path to the NC would not be any easier after about year 2 or 3.  We would water down to that level. 

We lost to TCU and TT in our last two attempts against the Big 12.  But...we're going to jump over there and challenge OU and have an easier path to the NC.  Pull my other leg...

Let's look at it from a historical perspective.

In 83 seasons in the SWC, 36.14% of seasons resulted in .500 or worse.
In 26 seasons in the SEC, 46.15% of seasons have resulted in .500 or worse.

Against SWC teams that are now in the Big 12, we are combined 134-131 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .506.
Against SEC teams, we are combined 171-196 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .466.
Against Big 12 teams as the conference now stands, we are combined 168-151 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .527.

Yes, times have changed. Yes, recruiting landscapes have changed. Yes, money has changed. Yes, the game has changed.

But historically speaking, we have had better success against Big 12 schools. That is a hard fact. That's why I stand to believe we would have more success in the Big 12 than we would the SEC.

"B-b-b-but money!" How has money translated to more wins? We're 25 games under .500 against SEC schools. Until someone proves how many wins our SEC money has resulted in, that argument is null and void.

"B-b-b-but competition!" I want the Arkansas Razorbacks to win football games in a P5 conference that gives them an in to the playoff.

In my opinion, that road runs through the Big 12.

I pride myself on wins and victories. I don't pride myself on getting my teeth kicked in and thinking "well golly gee, I guess I gotta get better! At least I'm losing to the best in the country! It's been happening for 46% of the time for the last 26 years, so we gotta try harder and we gotta get better!" A lot easier to say than do.

Nah. Give me legitimate wins. Not feel-good losses.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 04:47:55 pm
I said no.  It hasn't made us better, but what's your comparison...the SWC?  It doesn't exist anymore, and the Big 12 is a much different dynamic, and there's a lot more money at the same schools we competed against in the SEC.  You want to use a few examples....how about Rice, or Houston.  They were in the SWC, and dropped back in competition.  Are their prospects for the highest level of achievement that great?   


I don't think for one second that jumping to the Big 12 would make us better either.  I've answered your question, and made my stance clear. 

You are assuming we would keep the same recruiting numbers, and be better in the Big 12 as a result.  I don't believe that at all.  At that point...what's the allure of a kid from Dallas coming to play for the Hogs versus another conference team that's much closer?  Zero.  I get it..the counter argument is...we would play more games in TX, so their parents would see them more than if they were in the SEC.       

Again...these are ALL issues that the UA has struggled to overcome, and they are all related to the population of our state and the numbers.  If we want to drop back to a conference where we would win a lot of games, then the Big 12 isn't the place to do it.  We would need to drop clear back to the Sunbelt or siimilar, so that we might have a fighting chance to overcome our recruiting deficit by being able to sign more Arkansas kids and still be competitive at that level. 

You guys are convinced we would do better in the Big 12 than the SEC.  Not buying it.  Can't beat TCU or TT...can't expect to beat OU, OSU, and TX on a regular basis, which is what it would take.  And what do you do when the other teams in that conference get sick of TX and OU taking a bigger cut of the pie, and it implodes?  Beg our way back into another P5 conference with the rallying point being all of the TV viewership we can offer???  Yeah..that would work.   

I've made my argument.  It's an assumption, but it's based on EVERY single sporting analogy you can find.  You lower your level of competition, and it lowers you.  Period.  Argue if you want to, but other than maybe a very brief stint for an athlete to drop back and regain their confidence...it's not the way to achieving anything significant.

I took into account a drop in recruiting; we'd be fourth in the Big 12. 

More talent relative to your competition = more wins. It's not that complicated.

Houston and Rice's winning percentage improved when they left the SWC.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 04:49:08 pm
How does winning in a lesser conference help the school's reputation....SEC will look at us just like we do them currently.

What Arkansas Fans NEED to do is back off, let CCM and company handle the team and come out swinging out of the gates of the SEC....I have a feeling our year this year will be good if everyone sits back in the recliner and cheer for the hogs.  Stop thinking we are going to be in the same situation we were with CBB, we won't be.  Watch!
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 04:50:00 pm
How does winning in a lesser conference help the school's reputation....SEC will look at us just like we do them currently.

How does going 4-8 in any conference help the school's reputation?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 04:53:04 pm
How does going 4-8 in any conference help the school's reputation?

Who is the coach now?  That's in the past...you need to leave it there.  Quit crying about last year...that's over.....
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 04:53:59 pm
Who is the coach now?  That's in the past...you need to leave it there.

How does going 171-196 against SEC teams in 26 seasons help the school's reputation?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 04:54:59 pm
How does going 171-196 against SEC teams in 26 seasons help the school's reputation?

Look dude....just suck it up and understand.....there wont be a change...too much money involved with the SEC...sit back and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 04:55:59 pm
Let's look at it from a historical perspective.

In 83 seasons in the SWC, 36.14% of seasons resulted in .500 or worse.
In 26 seasons in the SEC, 46.15% of seasons have resulted in .500 or worse.

Against SWC teams that are now in the Big 12, we are combined 134-131 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .506.
Against SEC teams, we are combined 171-196 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .466.

Yes, times have changed. Yes, recruiting landscapes have changed. Yes, money has changed. Yes, the game has changed.

But historically speaking, we have had better success against Big 12 schools. That is a hard fact. That's why I stand to believe we would have more success in the Big 12 than we would the SEC.

"B-b-b-but money!" How has money translated to more wins? We're sub-.500 against SEC schools. Until someone proves how many wins our SEC money has resulted in, that argument is null and void.

"B-b-b-but competition!" I want the Arkansas Razorbacks to win football games in a P5 conference that gives them an in to the playoff.

In my opinion, that road runs through the Big 12.

I pride myself on wins and victories. I don't pride myself on getting my teeth kicked in and thinking "well golly gee, I guess I gotta get better! At least I'm losing to the best in the country! It's been happening for 46% of the last 26 years, so we gotta try harder and we gotta get better!" A lot easier to say than do.

Nah. Give me legitimate wins. Not feel-good losses.

And again, it's the same mentality of the guy who shows up at the golf course and the guys he's are playing with can barely say hello and ask how he's doing, before he's begging for strokes in your dollar Nassau bet.  It never occurs to the dude that he could get better if he upped his level of competition, worked harder, and stopped taking the easy way out.  Not play better...beg that extra stroke out of your opponent.   

Again, you want an easier path.  Even assuming it's an easier path, OU's team this year was the best the Big 12 has put out in quite a few seasons, and they still lost in the playoff right?  With the Heisman trophy winner, right?   

And...to take that a step further, the percentages you gave don't exactly illustrate that we would be in the top 3 of the Big 12 at at barely over 50%.  Factor in that we're not getting gimme's over Rice, Baylor (pre cheating days), SMU (when they weren't cheating), and against TAMU...who by the way moved up, not back, in competition from the Big 12. 

It's a different landscape for sure.  You think we would flourish, I don't.  That's really the end of the argument as far as I'm concerned, because it's pure conjecture from the word "go." 

No examples of a team that dropped back, and benefitted from it.  Maybe we would be the first..EVER, in any sport, and you would be right.   ;) 

 
 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 04:59:00 pm
And again, it's the same mentality of the guy who shows up at the golf course and the guys he's are playing with can barely say hello and ask how he's doing, before he's begging for strokes in your dollar Nassau bet.  It never occurs to the dude that he could get better if he upped his level of competition, worked harder, and stopped taking the easy way out.  Not play better...beg that extra stroke out of your opponent.   

Again, you want an easier path.  Even assuming it's an easier path, OU's team this year was the best the Big 12 has put out in quite a few seasons, and they still lost in the playoff right?  With the Heisman trophy winner, right?   

And...to take that a step further, the percentages you gave don't exactly illustrate that we would be in the top 3 of the Big 12 at at barely over 50%.  Factor in that we're not getting gimme's over Rice, Baylor (pre cheating days), SMU (when they weren't cheating), and against TAMU...who by the way moved up, not back, in competition from the Big 12. 

It's a different landscape for sure.  You think we would flourish, I don't.  That's really the end of the argument as far as I'm concerned, because it's pure conjecture from the word "go." 

No examples of a team that dropped back, and benefitted from it.  Maybe we would be the first..EVER, in any sport, and you would be right.   ;) 

 
 

Jesus, man. Working harder and wanting it more is not a quantifiable statistic. No joke we need to get better and work harder. Guess what? Every danged team in the SEC is working harder and wanting it more and getting better. I could work my ass off in a gym 20 hours a day and want to beat Isaiah Thomas in basketball more than anything in the world. Hell I'm even bigger than him. So I should be able to beat him, right? If I work REALLY HARD and want it REALLY BADLY, I should beat him by God. Right?

Reread my percentage criteria. I didn't factor in Rice, SMU, etc. because they aren't in the Big 12. I also included A&M in my SEC percentage, which actually helped that percentage since we have a winning record over them.

May not have an example of a team that dropped back and benefitted from it, but I've got an example of a team who went forward and hasn't yet benefitted from it apart from a monetary standpoint. The Arkansas Razorbacks.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 05:00:11 pm
And from a school standpoint.....that is enough of a reason to stay put.   No reason to move, just get better.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 05:00:22 pm
And again, it's the same mentality of the guy who shows up at the golf course and the guys he's are playing with can barely say hello and ask how he's doing, before he's begging for strokes in your dollar Nassau bet.  It never occurs to the dude that he could get better if he upped his level of competition, worked harder, and stopped taking the easy way out.  Not play better...beg that extra stroke out of your opponent.   

Again, you want an easier path.  Even assuming it's an easier path, OU's team this year was the best the Big 12 has put out in quite a few seasons, and they still lost in the playoff right?  With the Heisman trophy winner, right?   

And...to take that a step further, the percentages you gave don't exactly illustrate that we would be in the top 3 of the Big 12 at at barely over 50%.  Factor in that we're not getting gimme's over Rice, Baylor (pre cheating days), SMU (when they weren't cheating), and against TAMU...who by the way moved up, not back, in competition from the Big 12. 

It's a different landscape for sure.  You think we would flourish, I don't.  That's really the end of the argument as far as I'm concerned, because it's pure conjecture from the word "go." 

No examples of a team that dropped back, and benefitted from it.  Maybe we would be the first..EVER, in any sport, and you would be right.   ;) 

 
 

I took into account a drop in recruiting; we'd be fourth in the Big 12. 

More talent relative to your competition = more wins. It's not that complicated.

Houston and Rice's winning percentage improved when they left the SWC.


Against SWC teams that are now in the Big 12, we are combined 134-131 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .506.
Against Big 12 teams as the conference now stands, we are combined 168-151 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .527.


You are bad at reading.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 05:00:26 pm
I took into account a drop in recruiting; we'd be fourth in the Big 12. 

More talent relative to your competition = more wins. It's not that complicated.

Houston and Rice's winning percentage improved when they left the SWC.

Of course they improved...and they have ZERO chance of even being in the playoffs.  They still aren't going undefeated, even in their conferences.  Again...competition drop, you drop.  Thank you for making the point. 

You think we would rank 4th in recruiting after moving.  I don't agree. 

None of this matters.  The Big 12 is probably about 1K times more likely to implode than the SEC.  We're not going to move.  That's a dream of yours that will never come true. 

I would however suggest you pick a Big 12 team and root for them, because apparently you think they are going to win more and have an easier path to the NC game.  UGA says hello...not so fast. 

This is an old argument, and I'm done arguing with you guys.  You can all pine for the glory days of the SWC by thinking and equating it to the Big 12, but that's not how it is now.  We couldn't beat T Tech and TCU, and while I don't know how our recruiting classes ranked versus them, it doesn't matter. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 05, 2018, 05:03:41 pm
You are bad at reading.

No, I'm not.  Read my post.  As I said....the teams from the SWC that are now in the Big 12 have much more money and resources...the landscape has changed.  You don't bring a kid to campus and have them think..."Man, I have a much better chance here than TCU of going to the NFL."  They think..."Hmm...TCU curb stomped the UA a few years back, and it's only an hour drive.  Why go to the UA unless I've got a better chance of making it to the NFL by playing against the best competition...the SEC?" 

But...you want to think kids would come at the same rate, and our recruiting would stay the same.  I disagree.  It's that simple.  I can't prove it...you can't prove it. 

I can prove one thing...you guys can't come up with a school who dropped back and excelled as a result, and was able to compete for a NC on ANY level. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 05:04:58 pm
No, I'm not.  Read my post.  As I said....the teams from the SWC that are now in the Big 12 have much more money and resources...the landscape has changed.  You don't bring a kid to campus and have them think..."Man, I have a much better chance here than TCU of going to the NFL."  They think..."Hmm...TCU curb stomped the UA a few years back, and it's only an hour drive.  Why go to the UA unless I've got a better chance of making it to the NFL by playing against the best competition...the SEC?" 

But...you want to think kids would come at the same rate, and our recruiting would stay the same.  I disagree.  It's that simple.  I can't prove it...you can't prove it. 

I can prove one thing...you guys can't come up with a school who dropped back and excelled as a result, and was able to compete for a NC on ANY level.

And you can't prove how joining the SEC has helped the Arkansas Razorbacks football team apart from a monetary standpoint.

More seasons at .500 or below.
Lower winning percentage against conference foes.
What else...
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: razorbackfaninar on February 05, 2018, 05:05:55 pm
Let's look at it from a historical perspective.

In 83 seasons in the SWC, 36.14% of seasons resulted in .500 or worse.
In 26 seasons in the SEC, 46.15% of seasons have resulted in .500 or worse.

Against SWC teams that are now in the Big 12, we are combined 134-131 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .506.
Against SEC teams, we are combined 171-196 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .466.
Against Big 12 teams as the conference now stands, we are combined 168-151 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .527.

Yes, times have changed. Yes, recruiting landscapes have changed. Yes, money has changed. Yes, the game has changed.

But historically speaking, we have had better success against Big 12 schools. That is a hard fact. That's why I stand to believe we would have more success in the Big 12 than we would the SEC.

"B-b-b-but money!" How has money translated to more wins? We're 25 games under .500 against SEC schools. Until someone proves how many wins our SEC money has resulted in, that argument is null and void.

"B-b-b-but competition!" I want the Arkansas Razorbacks to win football games in a P5 conference that gives them an in to the playoff.

In my opinion, that road runs through the Big 12.

I pride myself on wins and victories. I don't pride myself on getting my teeth kicked in and thinking "well golly gee, I guess I gotta get better! At least I'm losing to the best in the country! It's been happening for 46% of the time for the last 26 years, so we gotta try harder and we gotta get better!" A lot easier to say than do.

Nah. Give me legitimate wins. Not feel-good losses.

This is like saying "I was a middling boxer at my gym, all the other guys my age were all really good I could just never beat those guys,  I switched to a gym with all kids and now I am kicking ass, I am a much better better boxer now.  I am racking up tons of legitimate wins against these kids."   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 05:07:04 pm
This is like saying "I was a middling boxer at my gym, all the other guys my age were all really good I could just never beat those guys,  I switched to a gym with all kids and now I am kicking ass, I am a much better better boxer now.  I am racking up tons of legitimate wins against these kids."

No it's not. These are factual numbers and statistics.

Also --- your post reads as though you're against racking up wins. Hey if you don't wanna win, that's not my problem. Keep bragging about that SEC money and having losing conference records more often than not.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 05:09:58 pm
This is like saying "I was a middling boxer at my gym, all the other guys my age were all really good I could just never beat those guys,  I switched to a gym with all kids and now I am kicking ass, I am a much better better boxer now.  I am racking up tons of legitimate wins against these kids."

Yup and you are not going to get the college playoffs that way.  You can never be the best by playing the worst.  I just can't get over how many people, the only thing is about winning......even if you have to beat the 2 year old up for his lollypop.  I would much rather lose to Alabama by 10 than beat Rice by 30.  If you wanna be the best, you have to play the best.  Period.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 05:10:44 pm
Yup and you are not going to get the college playoffs that way.

And you sure as hell aren't gonna get into it going 4-8 or 7-5.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 05:13:19 pm
And you sure as hell aren't gonna get into it going 4-8 or 7-5.

And you sure as hell aren't going to let a new coach have his shot at improving this team either are you.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 05:16:27 pm
And you sure as hell aren't gonna get into it going 4-8 or 7-5.

UCF got their chance this year didn't they......um hmmm....
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 05:16:46 pm
And you sure as hell aren't going to let a new coach have his shot at improving this team either are you.

Absolutely. I love the Morris hire. For the first time in a while I think we're about to see some really great things from the program. Doesn't mean I still don't think we'd do better under Morris in the Big 12.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 05:16:55 pm
UCF got their chance this year didn't they......um hmmm...

Is UCF in a P5? I've always advocated P5.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 05:17:40 pm
Is UCF in a P5? I've always advocated P5.

How many SEC teams in final 4 this year? 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 05:18:21 pm
How many SEC teams in final 4 this year?

2. What were their records? What was our record?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 05:26:09 pm
Of course they improved...and they have ZERO chance of even being in the playoffs.  They still aren't going undefeated, even in their conferences.  Again...competition drop, you drop.  Thank you for making the point. 

You think we would rank 4th in recruiting after moving.  I don't agree. 

None of this matters.  The Big 12 is probably about 1K times more likely to implode than the SEC.  We're not going to move.  That's a dream of yours that will never come true. 

I would however suggest you pick a Big 12 team and root for them, because apparently you think they are going to win more and have an easier path to the NC game.  UGA says hello...not so fast. 

This is an old argument, and I'm doing arguing with you guys.  You can all pine for the glory days of the SWC by thinking and equating it to the Big 12, but that's not how it is now.  We couldn't beat T Tech and TCU, and while I don't know how our recruiting classes ranked versus them, it doesn't matter.

Yes, Houston and Rice don't have a shot at the CFP because they aren't in a P5.  Arkansas would be moving to a P5; the point was with less competition they won more. Not that complicated.

As has been said before we also beat them in 2014 and 2016. Two recent losses hold more weight than the 200 plus games Mallet pointed out above?   

Are we going to drop 50 spots in recruiting and be in the bottom third of the Big 12?  I'd reckon that's unlikely. We currently sit in the bottom third of SEC recruiting rankings year in and year out. We operate at a talent deficiency, and, shockingly, lose more games than we win in conference.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 05:27:45 pm
Strength of schedule will kill you if your outside the SEC.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 05:30:04 pm
2. What were their records? What was our record?

Yall need to quit hammering the program and understand that what your arguing about is GONE.   CBB is NO LONGER A COACH Here.  His record went with him.  If your saying that we are going to have the same record next year..fine....lets sit back and watch.  Arguing that it would be better to go beat up a 2 year old, won't fly with the committee.  I just can't believe how many people here have that hard of a time of letting go and understand that this Coach's game is going to be different, good or bad...could result in a better or worse record....good or bad....LETS WATCH! and SEE!...geeze.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 05:32:15 pm
Yall need to quit hammering the program and understand that what your arguing about is GONE.   CBB is NO LONGER A COACH Here.  His record went with him.  If your saying that we are going to have the same record next year..fine....lets sit back and watch.  Arguing that it would be better to go beat up a 2 year old, won't fly with the committee.


Against SEC teams, we are combined 171-196 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .466.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 05, 2018, 05:36:28 pm


And your great at beating up your younger brother, looks like your tough to him.  But when the kid is 5 years old,  no one else thinks your tough.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RebHog on February 05, 2018, 06:41:25 pm
If thinking Arkansas has a better chance of winning a national championship in the Big 12 than the SEC makes you a fool, then you betcha I am.

Okay so we make the playoffs because of an easier conference slate I give you that but who are we going to play in those playoffs....ya the same teams you want to run from. Petrino had us in sniffing distance of the big game it is possible here. It shouldn't be expected year in year out because we do have a lack of in state recruits like a lot of our competition. You come across as recruiting wouldn't drop off as if it is fact when in reality no one can predict that. I do know that right now CCM can go into a recruits living room and tell him look how many SEC players are the league and that this is the best league to prepare you to make it in the NFL. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: zeke_in_kc on February 05, 2018, 08:07:45 pm
Realpolitik?

You want to be in the easiest conference where 1-2 losses can still get you in the playoff.

1. TCU went undefeated in the Mountain West and didn't play for a title?  They bailed.
2. If the SEC gives us negligible possibility of ever having a mere 1-2 losses?  We should bail.

This presumes a different conference -- with playoff position -- would offer us a better opportunity at a mere 1-2 losses.  I have no idea if that conference is the Big 12, or anyone else, over time.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HoginMemphis on February 06, 2018, 05:02:51 am
I don't mind being South Carolina and Kentucky. That is who we are and have been for 25 years. It's okay to be mediocre.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 07:36:43 am
Okay so we make the playoffs because of an easier conference slate I give you that but who are we going to play in those playoffs....ya the same teams you want to run from. Petrino had us in sniffing distance of the big game it is possible here. It shouldn't be expected year in year out because we do have a lack of in state recruits like a lot of our competition. You come across as recruiting wouldn't drop off as if it is fact when in reality no one can predict that. I do know that right now CCM can go into a recruits living room and tell him look how many SEC players are the league and that this is the best league to prepare you to make it in the NFL.

We average around 25-27 in recruiting; we are normally 8-10th in recruiting rankings for the SEC. If we dropped ten spots we would be ranked 4th in Big 12 recruiting. Third if we maintained our current rankings.

2011 was our best finish in recent memory, where, at one point, we had a legitimate shot at a national title.  Didn't we STILL finish third in our DIVISION?

All of your points have been discussed. Look at the Big 12 in 2011; you think there's a chance we go undefeated? I do. Is it easier to beat OSU, OU, TCU, one of them again in the CCG, UGA, Bama or LSU, Auburn, Bama, UGA, OU and Bama again? Might I add this is assuming our rotating east conference game happens to be a down team.  The "well we'd have to play them anyway in the playoff" argument is a joke.  Is it easier to win one game in the playoff or survive a full season in the SEC? None of these championship scenarios are likely, but the Big 12 scenario is a hell of a lot more likely than the SEC one.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Cinco de Hogo on February 06, 2018, 09:49:28 am
I don't mind being South Carolina and Kentucky. That is who we are and have been for 25 years. It's okay to be mediocre.

I hope that was sarcasm! 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 06, 2018, 09:56:43 am
I don't mind being South Carolina and Kentucky. That is who we are and have been for 25 years. It's okay to be mediocre.
I hope that was sarcasm! 

Why would that be sarcasm? I'd rather be the South Carolina or Kentucky athletic dept too. Overall, more success in the major sports during the past 25 years than we've had.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 10:04:25 am
I hope that was sarcasm!

Regular Season SEC Conference Games: USC - 89-118, Arkansas: 91-116

So we are in the same boat as USC.  USC also has zero history of national success prior to joining the SEC, making the fact that we have kept pace with them the past 25 years even worse.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HoginMemphis on February 06, 2018, 10:12:23 am
Regular Season SEC Conference Games: USC - 89-118, Arkansas: 91-116

So we are in the same boat as USC.  USC also has zero history of national success prior to joining the SEC, making the fact that we have kept pace with them the past 25 years even worse.
Yeah, this is what I referred to. Was not sarcasm. We are, and have been, SC and KY in football. Obviously have not been KY in basketball and never will be, of course.

Again, I don't mind it. At least not Vandy. But year in, year out, we are KY, SC, Ole Miss, Missouri, Miss St in football..especially since 2000. Basically, Ark battles these programs for the next position after Texas A&M, LSU, Bama, Aub, Fla, Ga and TN.

Of those 7, TN has far and away had roughest time of it in last 10 years but that will not last. TN will end up vying for SECC again. Arkansas will not.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 11:04:50 am
We also beat them in 2014 and 2016, respectively.  I'll defer to my previous post again; maybe you will understand it this time:

I fully appreciate your petty attempts at being condescending, but you're basing EVERYTHING you're saying on an assumption, and that is that we will fare better in the Big 12, BECAUSE we will stay at the same level, or improve, in recruiting, and we don't face the "big bad teams" of the SEC week in and week out, so our path will be easier to the NC. 

I disagree completely, have stated my assumption, and we disagree. 

Your feeble attempt to act like your opinion and assumptions are superior shows your obvious insecurities, and goes a lot toward explaining why you think we should "step down" in competition.  When you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen, right? 

I've attempted to keep this a rational debate, but if you really want to resort to insults, I'm cool with that too. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 11:10:20 am
Yes, Houston and Rice don't have a shot at the CFP because they aren't in a P5.  Arkansas would be moving to a P5; the point was with less competition they won more. Not that complicated.

As has been said before we also beat them in 2014 and 2016. Two recent losses hold more weight than the 200 plus games Mallet pointed out above?   

Are we going to drop 50 spots in recruiting and be in the bottom third of the Big 12?  I'd reckon that's unlikely. We currently sit in the bottom third of SEC recruiting rankings year in and year out. We operate at a talent deficiency, and, shockingly, lose more games than we win in conference.

You're finally starting to get it.  Houston and Rice have ZERO shot at a NC.  They dropped back for the allure of winning more games, with the likely hope of building the program, and one day being a part of what will ultimately be "Super Conferences" that will be the way of the future....because they didn't have a choice. 

We have a choice, and we're in the top conference.  Striving to be less....doesn't make sense to me.  It does to you, so finding common ground on this subject isn't going to happen.  We're arguing over theories and hypotheticals. 

The one common theme is this...the Big 12 is NOT a stable conference, and at any given point in time it could implode.  It would be DUMB for us to jump on that ship, hoping it stays afloat. 

So...this discussion is pointless from the word go.  Good day sir..... 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 11:10:31 am
I fully appreciate your petty attempts at being condescending, but you're basing EVERYTHING you're saying on an assumption, and that is that we will fare better in the Big 12, BECAUSE we will stay at the same level, or improve, in recruiting, and we don't face the "big bad teams" of the SEC week in and week out, so our path will be easier to the NC. 

I disagree completely, have stated my assumption, and we disagree. 

Your feeble attempt to act like your opinion and assumptions are superior shows your obvious insecurities, and goes a lot toward explaining why you think we should "step down" in competition.  When you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen, right? 

I've attempted to keep this a rational debate, but if you really want to resort to insults, I'm cool with that too.

Are we going to drop 50 spots in recruiting and be in the bottom third of the Big 12?  I'd reckon that's unlikely. We currently sit in the bottom third of SEC recruiting rankings year in and year out. We operate at a talent deficiency, and, shockingly, lose more games than we win in conference.

Let's look at it from a historical perspective.

In 83 seasons in the SWC, 36.14% of seasons resulted in .500 or worse.
In 26 seasons in the SEC, 46.15% of seasons have resulted in .500 or worse.

Against SWC teams that are now in the Big 12, we are combined 134-131 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .506.
Against SEC teams, we are combined 171-196 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .466.
Against Big 12 teams as the conference now stands, we are combined 168-151 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .527.

Yes, times have changed. Yes, recruiting landscapes have changed. Yes, money has changed. Yes, the game has changed.

But historically speaking, we have had better success against Big 12 schools. That is a hard fact. That's why I stand to believe we would have more success in the Big 12 than we would the SEC.

"B-b-b-but money!" How has money translated to more wins? We're 25 games under .500 against SEC schools. Until someone proves how many wins our SEC money has resulted in, that argument is null and void.

"B-b-b-but competition!" I want the Arkansas Razorbacks to win football games in a P5 conference that gives them an in to the playoff.

In my opinion, that road runs through the Big 12.

I pride myself on wins and victories. I don't pride myself on getting my teeth kicked in and thinking "well golly gee, I guess I gotta get better! At least I'm losing to the best in the country! It's been happening for 46% of the time for the last 26 years, so we gotta try harder and we gotta get better!" A lot easier to say than do.

Nah. Give me legitimate wins. Not feel-good losses.

Stats speak for themselves.  Numbers don't lie, bub.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 11:14:18 am
Yeah, this is what I referred to. Was not sarcasm. We are, and have been, SC and KY in football. Obviously have not been KY in basketball and never will be, of course.

Again, I don't mind it. At least not Vandy. But year in, year out, we are KY, SC, Ole Miss, Missouri, Miss St in football..especially since 2000. Basically, Ark battles these programs for the next position after Texas A&M, LSU, Bama, Aub, Fla, Ga and TN.

Of those 7, TN has far and away had roughest time of it in last 10 years but that will not last. TN will end up vying for SECC again. Arkansas will not.

I think you're dead wrong.  I'm not going to waste my time with history, but Fla, UGA, hell...even Bama, have gone through some down times when they made poor coaching hires, got hit with probation, etc.  We were doing fine with BP at the helm.  Don't know how long that would have lasted, and we will never know.  But...hiring a bad coach on his heels, does not doom us to the level of KY and Vandy. 

If you truly believe that, then that's just choosing to be pessimistic.  Get a good coach in here, get attendance and stadium energy back up, and we can compete better than you think.  Maybe it's Morris...maybe not...we'll see. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 11:16:06 am
You're finally starting to get it.  Houston and Rice have ZERO shot at a NC.  They dropped back for the allure of winning more games, with the likely hope of building the program, and one day being a part of what will ultimately be "Super Conferences" that will be the way of the future....because they didn't have a choice. 

We have a choice, and we're in the top conference.  Striving to be less....doesn't make sense to me.  It does to you, so finding common ground on this subject isn't going to happen.  We're arguing over theories and hypotheticals. 

The one common theme is this...the Big 12 is NOT a stable conference, and at any given point in time it could implode.  It would be DUMB for us to jump on that ship, hoping it stays afloat. 

So...this discussion is pointless from the word go.  Good day sir.....

Yeah, because they aren't in a P5. Did I suggest moving to a non P5 conference?

I've supported my argument with plenty of facts and statistics; dismiss them all you want but numbers don't lie.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2018, 11:19:24 am
Yeah, because they aren't in a P5. Did I suggest moving to a non P5 conference?

I've supported my argument with plenty of facts and statistics; dismiss them all you want but numbers don't lie.

Figures lie, and liars figure........
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 11:26:48 am
I think you're dead wrong.  I'm not going to waste my time with history, but Fla, UGA, hell...even Bama, have gone through some down times when they made poor coaching hires, got hit with probation, etc.  We were doing fine with BP at the helm.  Don't know how long that would have lasted, and we will never know.  But...hiring a bad coach on his heels, does not doom us to the level of KY and Vandy. 

If you truly believe that, then that's just choosing to be pessimistic.  Get a good coach in here, get attendance and stadium energy back up, and we can compete better than you think.  Maybe it's Morris...maybe not...we'll see.

Regular Season SEC Conference Games: USC - 89-118, Arkansas: 91-116

How much data do you need? There's a 200 plus game sample under five head coaches. What am I missing?

Petrino did have us humming along pretty good. Where did we finish in the division in 2011?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 11:30:26 am
I think you're dead wrong.  I'm not going to waste my time with history, but Fla, UGA, hell...even Bama, have gone through some down times when they made poor coaching hires, got hit with probation, etc.  We were doing fine with BP at the helm.  Don't know how long that would have lasted, and we will never know.  But...hiring a bad coach on his heels, does not doom us to the level of KY and Vandy. 

If you truly believe that, then that's just choosing to be pessimistic.  Get a good coach in here, get attendance and stadium energy back up, and we can compete better than you think.  Maybe it's Morris...maybe not...we'll see.

Seasons finished at or below .500

Alabama: 14 in 114 seasons.
Georgia: 30 in 114 seasons.
Florida: 32 in 106 seasons.
Arkansas: 47 in 112 seasons.

Those three you mentioned might have had some "down" periods, but they've had a whole lot more success and a whole lot fewer seasons at .500 or below.

And, to piggy-back off of my previous post full of stats and figures, we're historically and significantly better against Big 12 teams and SWC teams that are now in the Big 12 than we are against SEC teams.

To refresh:

Against SWC teams that are now in the Big 12, we are combined 134-131 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .506.
Against Big 12 teams as the conference now stands, we are combined 168-151 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .527.
Against SEC teams, we are combined 171-196 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .466.

Further, we are 7-5 against Big 12 teams since joining the SEC, for a winning percentage of .583

Historically, we have performed better against Big 12 teams than SEC teams. That is a cold, hard fact that cannot be discredited.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 11:59:33 am
Jesus, man. Working harder and wanting it more is not a quantifiable statistic. No joke we need to get better and work harder. Guess what? Every danged team in the SEC is working harder and wanting it more and getting better. I could work my ass off in a gym 20 hours a day and want to beat Isaiah Thomas in basketball more than anything in the world. Hell I'm even bigger than him. So I should be able to beat him, right? If I work REALLY HARD and want it REALLY BADLY, I should beat him by God. Right?

Reread my percentage criteria. I didn't factor in Rice, SMU, etc. because they aren't in the Big 12. I also included A&M in my SEC percentage, which actually helped that percentage since we have a winning record over them.

May not have an example of a team that dropped back and benefitted from it, but I've got an example of a team who went forward and hasn't yet benefitted from it apart from a monetary standpoint. The Arkansas Razorbacks.

I don't need to re-read it.  I get what you're trying to say, but what you're comparing it to isn't accurate, because of how much the landscape has changed in just the past few years.  Revenue sharing, TV dollars, etc...are all serving to assist the smaller programs to step up.  Remember...we lost to Toledo.  That was a "rent a win" just a few short years ago. 

Why did we leave the SWC?  That's a loaded question, and if you answer it factually, it will clearly explain why jumping back into a conference with Texas, that already has rumblings of the next "wave" of schools looking to jump ship, is a HORRIBLE idea. 

The SWC was a bunch of nobodies when they weren't cheating, and TX and Arkansas.  Period.  Not concerned with which of them are now in the Big 12, because they aren't the same schools as they were back then.  The thought that we could jump over there, and be like it was then....basically us versus TX in our best years, to determine conference champ and even possible national champ....only now it would be OU....not realistic. 

Just take OU alone.  We are already competing with them in TX for recruits right?  That's where most of their roster comes from.  Right now...we compete with them, but we have a completely different scenario than them...different conference.  What happens when we're now competitors and in the same conference?  "Why would you want to play for them...we own Arkansas, and look at our NC's versus theirs, and our tradition.  Do you want to play for a school that we're going to kill every year?" 

Maybe I'm completely wrong, and we would continue recruiting at our current level, and we would curb stomp everyone in the Big 12, and only have to beat OU for a path to the NC.  It doesn't matter...because it's an unstable conference, and at some point there will be super conferences and the landscape will look totally different.  For now...we're not going to leave the SEC's stability for that potential Chernobyl. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 12:04:01 pm
I don't need to re-read it.  I get what you're trying to say, but what you're comparing it to isn't accurate, because of how much the landscape has changed in just the past few years.  Revenue sharing, TV dollars, etc...are all serving to assist the smaller programs to step up.  Remember...we lost to Toledo.  That was a "rent a win" just a few short years ago. 

Why did we leave the SWC?  That's a loaded question, and if you answer it factually, it will clearly explain why jumping back into a conference with Texas, that already has rumblings of the next "wave" of schools looking to jump ship, is a HORRIBLE idea. 

The SWC was a bunch of nobodies when they weren't cheating, and TX and Arkansas.  Period.  Not concerned with which of them are now in the Big 12, because they aren't the same schools as they were back then.  The thought that we could jump over there, and be like it was then....basically us versus TX in our best years, to determine conference champ and even possible national champ....only now it would be OU....not realistic. 

Just take OU alone.  We are already competing with them in TX for recruits right?  That's where most of their roster comes from.  Right now...we compete with them, but we have a completely different scenario than them...different conference.  What happens when we're now competitors and in the same conference?  "Why would you want to play for them...we own Arkansas, and look at our NC's versus theirs, and our tradition.  Do you want to play for a school that we're going to kill every year?" 

Maybe I'm completely wrong, and we would continue recruiting at our current level, and we would curb stomp everyone in the Big 12, and only have to beat OU for a path to the NC.  It doesn't matter...because it's an unstable conference, and at some point there will be super conferences and the landscape will look totally different.  For now...we're not going to leave the SEC's stability for that potential Chernobyl.

Still waiting on some solid, undeniable stats and facts to support your claims, just like I've provided to you.

I'll even give you a new one.

Prior to joining the SEC, we were 76-76 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .500.
Since joining the SEC, we are 95-120 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .442.

Every. Single. Way. You. Shake. It. we have performed better against Big 12 teams than SEC teams. Since joining the SEC, our overall winning percentages and winning percentages against conference teams have decreased.

Facts.

Keep rakin' in that money, though.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2018, 12:23:43 pm
Still waiting on some solid, undeniable stats and facts to support your claims, just like I've provided to you.

I'll even give you a new one.

Prior to joining the SEC, we were 76-76 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .500.
Since joining the SEC, we are 95-120 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .442.

Every. Single. Way. You. Shake. It. we have performed better against Big 12 teams than SEC teams. Since joining the SEC, our overall winning percentages and winning percentages against conference teams have decreased.

Facts.

Keep rakin' in that money, though.

We will, we aren't changing conferences if we don't win a conference game for the next 10 years, lol.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 12:29:20 pm
We will, we aren't changing conferences if we don't win a conference game for the next 10 years, lol.

I know we aren't. That's not the premise of my argument whatsoever. The premise is "we would do better in football as a member of the Big 12 and here are historical stats to back that up," not "we're going to the Big 12 and here's why that's a good thing."
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 12:46:34 pm
And you can't prove how joining the SEC has helped the Arkansas Razorbacks football team apart from a monetary standpoint.

More seasons at .500 or below.
Lower winning percentage against conference foes.
What else...

...and coaches that weren't nearly as good as Broyles, Holtz, and Hatfield either...right?  I hear what you're saying..."We haven't done well to this point in 15 years, so what's going to change?" 

Well...in the one brief period that we had a coach that was a difference maker, we were pretty solid.  Really close right?  Got unlucky that the one year we were really solid, Bama and LSU were in the NC game. 

Guess what...that could just as easily happen in two years if we joined the Big 12 right?  "Man..the Hogs looked great, but that loss to TX killed their chances"....just like the LSU loss did for us right?

I contend that HDN, and BB are not great examples of how we can fare in the SEC.  BP showed that we're not incapable of competiting.  I may take an influx of in state talent that is unusual, like what he had, but in my mind...us beating Bama and or LSU (who btw, we may see how much difference a coach makes with that example)...isn't much different than beating OU, OSU, or TX (who will be good again, and another example of a program that has suffered some coaching woes). 

I get it...you want to see us win.  But realistically...is beating up on Kansas really going to make you feel better about the Razorbacks?   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 12:52:28 pm
I know we aren't. That's not the premise of my argument whatsoever. The premise is "we would do better in football as a member of the Big 12 and here are historical stats to back that up," not "we're going to the Big 12 and here's why that's a good thing."

Dude..you're extrapolating that data.  That's NOT factual.  You cannot say that.  You have NO clue how that move would affect recruiting, and you also have no idea how we would fare versus vastly improved teams. 

I love it that you're just throwing that out there like it's a fact.  That's like me saying..."You know, Tiger Woods would be even more famous if he had played in Europe, because he would have won every single tournament against that competition." 

Would he?  Dunno...maybe those guys play better on those style courses and in those conditions, and he wouldn't have won everything he entered.  Some would argue that playing against lesser competition affects everything from your approach to practice, to your mental acuity.  If it doesn't..then how do you explain how playing against better opponents makes people improve? 

I love it...the Big 12 is the answer to every fan's woes.  /sarcasm   

FACT  The Big 12 is infinitely more likely to fold up like a cheap tent that then SEC.  That right there is reason enough to put our big boy pants on and get busy improving, rather than jumping to a listing ship. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 12:52:50 pm

I get it...you want to see us win.  But realistically...is beating up on Kansas really going to make you feel better about the Razorbacks?   

Still no facts or figures I see.

And yes. Beating Kansas results in a W which makes me feel better about the Arkansas Razorbacks. As would beating literally any team we play.

Does beating Florida A&M not make you feel better about the Arkansas Razorbacks? Does beating Vanderbilt or Kentucky? A win is a win is a win, no matter how badly you wanna spin it against "lesser" competition.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 12:57:06 pm
No it's not. These are factual numbers and statistics.

Also --- your post reads as though you're against racking up wins. Hey if you don't wanna win, that's not my problem. Keep bragging about that SEC money and having losing conference records more often than not.

Wow...Hogville, redefining what facts are, one day at a time.  You haven't posted a single fact in this thread.  You posted statistics, but they are loosely related to the POSSIBILITIES that a move would cause, and that's being generous.

Geez....this is starting to get comical.       
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 12:58:19 pm
Dude..you're extrapolating that data.  That's NOT factual.  You cannot say that.  You have NO clue how that move would affect recruiting, and you also have no idea how we would fare versus vastly improved teams. 

I love it that you're just throwing that out there like it's a fact.  That's like me saying..."You know, Tiger Woods would be even more famous if he had played in Europe, because he would have won every single tournament against that competition." 

Would he?  Dunno...maybe those guys play better on those style courses and in those conditions, and he wouldn't have won everything he entered.  Some would argue that playing against lesser competition affects everything from your approach to practice, to your mental acuity.  If it doesn't..then how do you explain how playing against better opponents makes people improve? 

I love it...the Big 12 is the answer to every fan's woes.  /sarcasm   

FACT  The Big 12 is infinitely more likely to fold up like a cheap tent that then SEC.  That right there is reason enough to put our big boy pants on and get busy improving, rather than jumping to a listing ship.

You don't understand what the word "premise" means, do you?

Here: I propose a premise. A theory. A hypothesis. I then use facts and statistics to support my premise/theory/hypothesis. Then, I draw a conclusion based on presentation of facts.

Premise: I believe we would do better in the Big 12. (Notice I didn't say we WILL do better in the Big 12)

Supporting facts/stats:
1. We have performed better against Big 12 teams historically both before and after entering the SEC.
2. We even performed better against SEC teams before we entered the SEC.
3. Once we entered the SEC, we still outperformed Big 12 teams, but our winning percentages against fellow SEC teams decreased.
4. Our percentage of seasons at .500 or below is worse since joining the SEC than it was before.

Conclusion: I believe we would* win more football games in the Big 12.

*Would is key here. Not will. Would.


I have provided multiple records, stats, and facts. I have seen none from you. Nothing but speculation. We can agree to disagree, but I'm not arguing with someone who doesn't use facts.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 12:58:47 pm
Wow...Hogville, redefining what facts are, one day at a time.  You haven't posted a single fact in this thread.  You posted statistics, but they are loosely related to the POSSIBILITIES that a move would cause, and that's being generous.

Geez....this is starting to get comical.       

?!?!??!

We are 171-196 against SEC times all-time. That is a [CENSORED] fact, dude. Every winning percentage and record I have posted in this thread is a FACT that can be VERIFIED. You say darn like "well the Big 12 is about to implode." That's called conjecture. That's not a fact.

I'm gonna end this before I get banned. A person who doesn't understand this stuff ain't worth my time.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 12:59:16 pm
...and coaches that weren't nearly as good as Broyles, Holtz, and Hatfield either...right?  I hear what you're saying..."We haven't done well to this point in 15 years, so what's going to change?" 

Well...in the one brief period that we had a coach that was a difference maker, we were pretty solid.  Really close right?  Got unlucky that the one year we were really solid, Bama and LSU were in the NC game. 

Guess what...that could just as easily happen in two years if we joined the Big 12 right?  "Man..the Hogs looked great, but that loss to TX killed their chances"....just like the LSU loss did for us right?

I contend that HDN, and BB are not great examples of how we can fare in the SEC.  BP showed that we're not incapable of competiting.  I may take an influx of in state talent that is unusual, like what he had, but in my mind...us beating Bama and or LSU (who btw, we may see how much difference a coach makes with that example)...isn't much different than beating OU, OSU, or TX (who will be good again, and another example of a program that has suffered some coaching woes). 

I get it...you want to see us win.  But realistically...is beating up on Kansas really going to make you feel better about the Razorbacks?   

Nutt's SEC Regular Season Conference winning percentage was 53%; Arkansas' winning percentage excluding Nutt is 39%.  For all his flaws Houston beat SEC teams at a higher clip than our program history average.

In Petrino's best year where did we finish in our division?

Is it easier to beat TCU, OSU, OU, one of them again in the CCG or Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and UGA?

Yes, I would rather beat the snot out of Kansas than lose to Alabama. I like to win.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 01:01:33 pm
Wow...Hogville, redefining what facts are, one day at a time.  You haven't posted a single fact in this thread.  You posted statistics, but they are loosely related to the POSSIBILITIES that a move would cause, and that's being generous.

Geez....this is starting to get comical.       

statistic: a fact or piece of data from a study of a large quantity of numerical data

In case you don't believe me here you go: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=statistic (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=statistic)
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:01:51 pm
Still no facts or figures I see.

And yes. Beating Kansas results in a W which makes me feel better about the Arkansas Razorbacks. As would beating literally any team we play.

Does beating Florida A&M not make you feel better about the Arkansas Razorbacks? Does beating Vanderbilt or Kentucky? A win is a win is a win, no matter how badly you wanna spin it against "lesser" competition.

OK, so now I know what level character I'm dealing with.  You'd rather win, and don't care at all about the level of competition. 

Argue with yourself...you can't be the best without beating the best, and you don't do that by playing lesser competition.  If you truly believe that, then you're no competitor. 

Let me guess...you're also a big proponent of the saying, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'" too right? 

C'mon man...OU is Bama, TX is LSU, and OSU is Auburn.  You're acting like we would run over everyone there...same scenario, you have to BEAT THE BEST, TO BE THE BEST.     

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 01:03:58 pm
OK, so now I know what level character I'm dealing with. You'd rather win, and don't care at all about the level of competition. 

Argue with yourself...you can't be the best without beating the best, and you don't do that by playing lesser competition.  If you truly believe that, then you're no competitor. 

Let me guess...you're also a big proponent of the saying, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'" too right? 

C'mon man...OU is Bama, TX is LSU, and OSU is Auburn.  You're acting like we would run over everyone there...same scenario, you have to BEAT THE BEST, TO BE THE BEST.     

And I see the level of intellect I'm dealing with here.

Gotta just try harder, right my man? Gotta want it more, right?

Have a good one.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:05:07 pm
?!?!??!

We are 171-196 against SEC times all-time. That is a [CENSORED] fact, dude. Every winning percentage and record I have posted in this thread is a FACT that can be VERIFIED. You say darn like "well the Big 12 is about to implode." That's called conjecture. That's not a fact.

I'm gonna end this before I get banned. A person who doesn't understand this stuff ain't worth my time.

I know what you posted..and it's crap.  It was a 4% difference than the SWC teams in the Big 12 now.  WOW....like that is some huge statistic.  I already said....that can EASILY be explained through coaching differences, and make that miniscule difference negligible, much less when you consider that those schools are MUCH better funded, and have much better facilities now. 

You cannot extrapolate past data like that and call if fact, just like I can't say the Big 12 is going to implode is fact.  But ask around...see which conference people think will get nuked first...Big 12 or SEC? 

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 01:05:40 pm
OK, so now I know what level character I'm dealing with.  You'd rather win, and don't care at all about the level of competition. 

Argue with yourself...you can't be the best without beating the best, and you don't do that by playing lesser competition.  If you truly believe that, then you're no competitor. 

Let me guess...you're also a big proponent of the saying, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'" too right? 

C'mon man...OU is Bama, TX is LSU, and OSU is Auburn.  You're acting like we would run over everyone there...same scenario, you have to BEAT THE BEST, TO BE THE BEST.     

Bama>OU
LSU>TX
Auburn>OSU

You don't read. It really is amazing:

Which of these is more likely for the Hogs to accomplish: beat TCU, OSU, OU, and then one of the three again in the CCG, or beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia.

I don't think anyone is insinuating we would dominate the Big 12, but that season every 5-7 years where we catch lightning in a bottle we'd probably play in the CFP.  2011 was our best finish in recent memory, where, at one point, we had a legitimate shot at a national title.  Didn't we STILL finish third in our DIVISION?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:11:51 pm
You don't understand what the word "premise" means, do you?

Here: I propose a premise. A theory. A hypothesis. I then use facts and statistics to support my premise/theory/hypothesis. Then, I draw a conclusion based on presentation of facts.

Premise: I believe we would do better in the Big 12. (Notice I didn't say we WILL do better in the Big 12)

Supporting facts/stats:
1. We have performed better against Big 12 teams historically both before and after entering the SEC.
2. We even performed better against SEC teams before we entered the SEC.
3. Once we entered the SEC, we still outperformed Big 12 teams, but our winning percentages against fellow SEC teams decreased.
4. Our percentage of seasons at .500 or below is worse since joining the SEC than it was before.

Conclusion: I believe we would* win more football games in the Big 12.

*Would is key here. Not will. Would.


I have provided multiple records, stats, and facts. I have seen none from you. Nothing but speculation. We can agree to disagree, but I'm not arguing with someone who doesn't use facts.

FACT.  Regardless of the statistics you are using, it's a COMPLETELY different scenario when we leave the SEC.  You're choosing not to acknowledge that, and assuming things continue with our present recruiting, facilities, etc. 

FACT.  Using the word "would" verus "will" is ridiculous.  This is ALL about what we "think" would happen.  Again...a mid pack SEC team, BY YOUR OWN ACCOUNT BY USING THAT DATA, is on par with the upper teams in the Big 12.  Isn't that what you're arguing? 

Then by that standard, what would we gain by moving?  I know, I know...playing lesser competition, and racking up wins. 

WE GET IT.  You would rather win against Troy than lose to Bama.  Duly noted. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 01:14:11 pm
FACT.  Regardless of the statistics you are using, it's a COMPLETELY different scenario when we leave the SEC.  You're choosing not to acknowledge that, and assuming things continue with our present recruiting, facilities, etc. 

FACT.  Using the word "would" verus "will" is ridiculous.  This is ALL about what we "think" would happen.  Again...a mid pack SEC team, BY YOUR OWN ACCOUNT BY USING THAT DATA, is on par with the upper teams in the Big 12.  Isn't that what you're arguing? 

Then by that standard, what would we gain by moving?  I know, I know...playing lesser competition, and racking up wins. 

WE GET IT.  You would rather win against Troy than lose to Bama.  Duly noted.

The stats pre and post SEC and every which way you slice it don't support you. Your dismissal of them shows your intelligence level.

Nutt won SEC games at a higher clip than the pre SEC Holtz, Broyles, Hatfield days.  Yet you say his record is not indicative of what we can achieve in the SEC. You repeatedly have nothing to back you up but your own thoughts.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:18:08 pm
Bama>OU
LSU>TX
Auburn>OSU

You don't read. It really is amazing:

Haha...resorting to insults.  Nicely played.  Pretty well on par with this "I just wanna win" crybaby attitude you guys have.   ;D

The point is this...there are three teams over there that most would argue have been better than us for several years now.  We've gone a little better than .500 by splitting with Tech and TCU, and getting a disinterested TX team in a bowl game. 

You want to take that, and insist that we would move over there, and just curb stomp everyone on our way to a showdown with someone for a trip to the playoffs. 

Keep telling yourself that.  We would have the same challenges there, that we face now.  We'd probably win more, but it wouldn't lead to a DARN thing of anymore significance UNLESS you do what I've been saying all along...BEAT THE BEST. 

OU gets beat by UGA with the Heisman trophy winner.  Ooops.  Theory...poof. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 01:19:26 pm
FACT.  Regardless of the statistics you are using, it's a COMPLETELY different scenario when we leave the SEC.  You're choosing not to acknowledge that, and assuming things continue with our present recruiting, facilities, etc. 

FACT.  Using the word "would" verus "will" is ridiculous.  This is ALL about what we "think" would happen.  Again...a mid pack SEC team, BY YOUR OWN ACCOUNT BY USING THAT DATA, is on par with the upper teams in the Big 12.  Isn't that what you're arguing? 

Then by that standard, what would we gain by moving?  I know, I know...playing lesser competition, and racking up wins. 

WE GET IT.  You would rather win against Troy than lose to Bama.  Duly noted.

Uh, yeah racking up wins in a P5 sounds good. Isn't that the whole point of playing any game? To win?

And you would rather lose to a superior team than win against an inferior team.

You'd rather lose than win.

Duly noted.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 01:22:05 pm
Haha...resorting to insults.  Nicely played.  Pretty well on par with this "I just wanna win" crybaby attitude you guys have.   ;D

The point is this...there are three teams over there that most would argue have been better than us for several years now.  We've gone a little better than .500 by splitting with Tech and TCU, and getting a disinterested TX team in a bowl game. 

You want to take that, and insist that we would move over there, and just curb stomp everyone on our way to a showdown with someone for a trip to the playoffs. 

Keep telling yourself that.  We would have the same challenges there, that we face now.  We'd probably win more, but it wouldn't lead to a DARN thing of anymore significance UNLESS you do what I've been saying all along...BEAT THE BEST. 

OU gets beat by UGA with the Heisman trophy winner.  Ooops.  Theory...poof.

You do not read:

Which of these is more likely for the Hogs to accomplish: beat TCU, OSU, OU, and then one of the three again in the CCG, or beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia.

I don't think anyone is insinuating we would dominate the Big 12, but that season every 5-7 years where we catch lightning in a bottle we'd probably play in the CFP.  2011 was our best finish in recent memory, where, at one point, we had a legitimate shot at a national title.  Didn't we STILL finish third in our DIVISION?

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:22:34 pm
The stats pre and post SEC and every which way you slice it don't support you. Your dismissal of them shows your intelligence level.

Your desire to beat lesser competition shows all I need to see.  I don't need to insult your intelligence.  You're doing a great job of that on your own by resorting to childish insults. 

You use your irrelevant data all you want, but it proves ZERO.  You know what is PROVEN.  Playing against better competition makes you better.  You're ignoring that, and think that by winning football games, you're improving. 

How did that work for Central Florida?  TCU and Baylor a few years back...snubbed, because their conference wasn't strong enough.  Remember that? 

You guys argue amongst yourselves.  Your entire premise is based on a loser mentality. 

"Set the expecation bar low enough, and you'll achieve it every time." 

-  Some random loser
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 01:23:55 pm
Your desire to beat lesser competition shows all I need to see.  I don't need to insult your intelligence.  You're doing a great job of that on your own by resorting to childish insults. 

You use your irrelevant data all you want, but it proves ZERO.  You know what is PROVEN.  Playing against better competition makes you better.  You're ignoring that, and think that by winning football games, you're improving. 

How did that work for Central Florida?  TCU and Baylor a few years back...snubbed, because their conference wasn't strong enough.  Remember that? 

You guys argue amongst yourselves.  Your entire premise is based on a loser mentality. 

"Set the expecation bar low enough, and you'll achieve it every time." 

-  Some random loser

This is absolutely, unequivocally false.

You just said you get better by playing the best. If you agree the SEC is "the best," then you just contradicted everything you've ever said.

Ever since joining the SEC and playing "the best" we have BEEN WORSE. NOT BETTER.

Ergo, playing THE BEST does not MAKE YOU BETTER.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:24:49 pm
"Oh whaaaaa....dat big bad SEC is just too hard for me.  I better go somewhere else and pick on the little guys to feel better about myself."

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HoginMemphis on February 06, 2018, 01:26:08 pm
Seasons finished at or below .500

Alabama: 14 in 114 seasons.
Georgia: 30 in 114 seasons.
Florida: 32 in 106 seasons.
Arkansas: 47 in 112 seasons.

Those three you mentioned might have had some "down" periods, but they've had a whole lot more success and a whole lot fewer seasons at .500 or below.

And, to piggy-back off of my previous post full of stats and figures, we're historically and significantly better against Big 12 teams and SWC teams that are now in the Big 12 than we are against SEC teams.

To refresh:

Against SWC teams that are now in the Big 12, we are combined 134-131 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .506.
Against Big 12 teams as the conference now stands, we are combined 168-151 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .527.
Against SEC teams, we are combined 171-196 excluding ties, for a winning percentage of .466.

Further, we are 7-5 against Big 12 teams since joining the SEC, for a winning percentage of .583

Historically, we have performed better against Big 12 teams than SEC teams. That is a cold, hard fact that cannot be discredited.
Fans like Urkill will never believe the truth because it means admitting there is a low ceiling at Arkansas for football over the long haul. If that keeps them from blowing their brains out on Fall Saturdays, let them ignore the facts.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 01:26:35 pm
Your desire to beat lesser competition shows all I need to see.  I don't need to insult your intelligence.  You're doing a great job of that on your own by resorting to childish insults. 

You use your irrelevant data all you want, but it proves ZERO.  You know what is PROVEN.  Playing against better competition makes you better.
  You're ignoring that, and think that by winning football games, you're improving. 

How did that work for Central Florida?  TCU and Baylor a few years back...snubbed, because their conference wasn't strong enough.  Remember that? 

You guys argue amongst yourselves.  Your entire premise is based on a loser mentality. 

"Set the expecation bar low enough, and you'll achieve it every time." 

-  Some random loser

Wrong.

Prior to joining the SEC, we were 76-76 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .500.
Since joining the SEC, we are 95-120 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .442.

A .500 winning percentage is BETTER than a .442 winning percentage.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:29:34 pm
This is absolutely, unequivocally false.

You just said you get better by playing the best. If you agree the SEC is "the best," then you just contradicted everything you've ever said.

Ever since joining the SEC and playing "the best" we have BEEN WORSE. NOT BETTER.

Ergo, playing THE BEST does not MAKE YOU BETTER.

Haha...you're using a 4% difference to make a point?  Really?  LOL  That's awesome!  I don't even know how to argue with that, because it's not even statistically significant on ANY level. 

And...if you don't think playing better competition makes you better, than I don't know why you're even on this board, because you obviously know NOTHING about sports.

We had a word for guys who always jumped to line up against the smallest weakest guys on the team during drills...chickensh__.  I'm sensing some of that here.... ;) 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 01:31:00 pm
Haha...you're using a 4% difference to make a point?  Really?  LOL  That's awesome!  I don't even know how to argue with that, because it's not even statistically significant on ANY level. 

And...if you don't think playing better competition makes you better, than I don't know why you're even on this board, because you obviously know NOTHING about sports.

We had a word for guys who always jumped to line up against the smallest weakest guys on the team during drills...chickensh__.  I'm sensing some of that here.... ;)

Not significant on any level, eh? It's good to know you would say no to your boss offering you a 4% raise, just to make a point.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:32:57 pm
Wrong.

Prior to joining the SEC, we were 76-76 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .500.
Since joining the SEC, we are 95-120 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .442.

A .500 winning percentage is BETTER than a .442 winning percentage.

Seriously..argue with yourselves.  The SEC is vastly improved, and you're spouting statistics that are apples to oranges.  Who were those 76 games against? 

...and if we're going to be so much better if we jump, then why could we only manage to beat SEC teams half the time despite being the second biggest dog in the SWC?  Hmm....something to ponder perhaps? 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:33:49 pm
Not significant on any level, eh? It's good to know you would say no to your boss offering you a 4% raise, just to make a point.

Great analogy man...nailed it.   ::)   It's like it's a direct comparison or something. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 01:34:22 pm
Wrong.

Prior to joining the SEC, we were 76-76 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .500.
Since joining the SEC, we are 95-120 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .442.

A .500 winning percentage is BETTER than a .442 winning percentage.

Seriously..argue with yourselves.  The SEC is vastly improved, and you're spouting statistics that are apples to oranges.  Who were those 76 games against? 

...and if we're going to be so much better if we jump, then why could we only manage to beat SEC teams half the time despite being the second biggest dog in the SWC?  Hmm....something to ponder perhaps?

Yeah. It's a good time for me to exit.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: 870hogfan on February 06, 2018, 01:37:02 pm
Fans like Urkill will never believe the truth because it means admitting there is a low ceiling at Arkansas for football over the long haul. If that keeps them from blowing their brains out on Fall Saturdays, let them ignore the facts.



This is coming from a idiot who said Memphis is the better football program than Arkansas....
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 01:45:08 pm
Seriously..argue with yourselves.  The SEC is vastly improved, and you're spouting statistics that are apples to oranges.  Who were those 76 games against? 

...and if we're going to be so much better if we jump, then why could we only manage to beat SEC teams half the time despite being the second biggest dog in the SWC?  Hmm....something to ponder perhaps?

Arguing against decades worth of statistics sure is something. 

I have nothing left to say to you; you said a statistic is not a fact. The word fact is in the definition of statistic. Tells me all I need to know.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:52:44 pm


This is coming from a idiot who said Memphis is the better football program than Arkansas....

Don't be so hard on HiM.  He's got a reputation to uphold here.  Driving a Porsche Boxter and welching on bets ain't for everybody. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 06, 2018, 01:54:49 pm
OK, so now I know what level character I'm dealing with.  You'd rather win, and don't care at all about the level of competition. 

Argue with yourself...you can't be the best without beating the best, and you don't do that by playing lesser competition.  If you truly believe that, then you're no competitor. 

Let me guess...you're also a big proponent of the saying, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'" too right? 

C'mon man...OU is Bama, TX is LSU, and OSU is Auburn.  You're acting like we would run over everyone there...same scenario, you have to BEAT THE BEST, TO BE THE BEST.     

Yes. If you aren't cheating, you're cheating yourself.

Also, I've read through this entire thread over the past half hour and you, sir, are wrong. Not only are you wrong, but, from everything I've checked, you're arguing against a solid foundation of correct statistical analysis, which in this case happen to double as factual statements. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:56:19 pm
Arguing against decades worth of statistics sure is something. 

I have nothing left to say to you; you said a statistic is not a fact. The word fact is in the definition of statistic. Tells me all I need to know.

What you POSTED are facts.  Ignoring that they are situational, is exactly why people like YOU are not in charge of things as big as making decisions that will define your Universities athletic department.  For that...I'm thankful. 

Anyone can use statistics to their advantage.  We went .500 in our last four non-bowl games against the Big 12.  It's safe for me to sasy that we can expect to be a .500 team in the Big 12. 

See....statistics don't tell the whole story do they?  Go back under your rock, and come back when you can make an argument that is a little stronger than...

"We'll have more wins if we play against lesser competition.  Here are the statistics to prove it." 

Someone call Einstein, we've found his prodigy.   ::) :P
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 01:58:13 pm
Yes. If you aren't cheating, you're cheating yourself.

Also, I've read through this entire thread over the past half hour and you, sir, are wrong. Not only are you wrong, but, from everything I've checked, you're arguing against a solid foundation of correct statistical analysis, which in this case happen to double as factual statements. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.

Don't need luck bro.  Luck is not a strategy.  But thanks....     
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 02:01:10 pm
Yes. If you aren't cheating, you're cheating yourself.

Also, I've read through this entire thread over the past half hour and you, sir, are wrong. Not only are you wrong, but, from everything I've checked, you're arguing against a solid foundation of correct statistical analysis, which in this case happen to double as factual statements. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.

You guys should get together.  Maybe play beer pong.  One of you play blindfolded, and let the other two win.  Make everyone feel special. 

Funny....I always grew up with..."If you resort to cheating to win, you're just cheating yourself in the end." 

But...I can clearly see why you guys view it the opposite way.  Nothing like taking the easy way out.   ;D    It's the loser's mentality since....well, the dawn of time. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 06, 2018, 02:02:27 pm
What you POSTED are facts.  Ignoring that they are situational, is exactly why people like YOU are not in charge of things as big as making decisions that will define your Universities athletic department.  For that...I'm thankful. 

Anyone can use statistics to their advantage.  We went .500 in our last four non-bowl games against the Big 12.  It's safe for me to sasy that we can expect to be a .500 team in the Big 12. 

See....statistics don't tell the whole story do they?  Go back under your rock, and come back when you can make an argument that is a little stronger than...

"We'll have more wins if we play against lesser competition.  Here are the statistics to prove it." 

Someone call Einstein, we've found his prodigy.   ::) :P

I think you mean protégé. "Someone call Einstein*, we've found his protégé."

*Einstein died in 1955.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 02:06:14 pm
What you POSTED are facts.  Ignoring that they are situational, is exactly why people like YOU are not in charge of things as big as making decisions that will define your Universities athletic department.  For that...I'm thankful. 

Anyone can use statistics to their advantage.  We went .500 in our last four non-bowl games against the Big 12.  It's safe for me to say that we can expect to be a .500 team in the Big 12.


See....statistics don't tell the whole story do they?  Go back under your rock, and come back when you can make an argument that is a little stronger than...

"We'll have more wins if we play against lesser competition.  Here are the statistics to prove it." 

Someone call Einstein, we've found his prodigy.   ::) :P

Yeah, uh, that's because, uh, sample sizes matter.

We went 1-7 in the SEC last year. Guess we can expect to have a .125 winning percentage in the SEC each year.

See how sample sizes can skew everything?

Too bad the sample sizes I've used range from the beginning of Arkansas football thru the 2017 season. My stats cover literally every single game Arkansas has played against a Big 12 or SEC opponent. Yours don't.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 02:37:12 pm
I think you mean protégé. "Someone call Einstein*, we've found his protégé."

*Einstein died in 1955.

NOPE...meant what I typed. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 02:43:05 pm
Yeah, uh, that's because, uh, sample sizes matter.

We went 1-7 in the SEC last year. Guess we can expect to have a .125 winning percentage in the SEC each year.

See how sample sizes can skew everything?

Too bad the sample sizes I've used range from the beginning of Arkansas football thru the 2017 season. My stats cover literally every single game Arkansas has played against a Big 12 or SEC opponent. Yours don't.

Don't need to when we're making the statistics support what we want them to support.  That's what this is about isn't it?  You want to correlate how things looked in the 40's and 50's and apply it to today.  Because THAT is a much better example than the past 5 years right? 

Again...relevancy.  It matters. 

What I find funny is...you're going to all this trouble to dig stuff up to support an argument that we would do better against weaker opponents.  STUNNING thought process.  I'll concede that, if it makes you feel better.  I just didn't think we needed anywhere near this many posts to acknowledge that loser mentality that if you don't like losing, find a weaker opponent.

If that was your goal...nice work.  Nailed it.  It's basically why the stands are empty when we play the rent a win teams...hollow victories, nobody cares.  Same thing if we were playing Kansas...even though they might have given us a good game last season, to be fair.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 02:45:25 pm
Don't need to when we're making the statistics support what we want them to support.  That's what this is about isn't it?  You want to correlate how things looked in the 40's and 50's and apply it to today.  Because THAT is a much better example than the past 5 years right? 

Again...relevancy.  It matters. 

What I find funny is...you're going to all this trouble to dig stuff up to support an argument that we would do better against weaker opponents.  STUNNING thought process.  I'll concede that, if it makes you feel better.  I just didn't think we needed anywhere near this many posts to acknowledge that loser mentality that if you don't like losing, find a weaker opponent.

If that was your goal...nice work.  Nailed it.  It's basically why the stands are empty when we play the rent a win teams...hollow victories, nobody cares.  Same thing if we were playing Kansas...even though they might have given us a good game last season, to be fair.   

So you care more about the opponent of the Arkansas Razorbacks than actually being there to support the Arkansas Razorbacks no matter who they play?

Duly noted.

I get it. You're not in it for the Arkansas Razorbacks. You're in it for who they play and moral victories. That's cool. I'm in it for the Arkansas Razorbacks and their actual victories.

P.S. Attendance for the Mississippi State and Mizzou games in Fayetteville last year were both 64k. The New Mexico State game was 70k. Wins put people in the seats first and foremost. Opponent is secondary. Yet another argument of yours just collapsing in on itself.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 06, 2018, 02:48:10 pm
NOPE...meant what I typed.

(https://lastfm-img2.akamaized.net/i/u/300x300/a8e6340bb19df4000651b7110733f566.jpg)
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 02:53:00 pm
So you care more about the opponent of the Arkansas Razorbacks than actually being there to support the Arkansas Razorbacks no matter who they play?

Duly noted.

Hehe...again, there you extrapolating things.  What did my post say?  Did it say "I don't go...hollow victories?"  No.  But it's why many people don't go, because they aren't excited about beating teams that they expect us to beat, because they aren't expected to be at our level of competition. 

Lately that hasn't panned out too well. 

While we're looking at statistics.  I think it's Pepsi products.  Just look at how much worse we've done since the UA switched away from Coke.  Fans are mad, not cheering as loud because they have to drink Pepsi, and it's affecting the team as a result. 

Extrapolation....it's not fact. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 02:54:06 pm
Hehe...again, there you extrapolating things.  What did my post say?  Did it say "I don't go...hollow victories?"  No.  But it's why many people don't go, because they aren't excited about beating teams that they expect us to beat, because they aren't expected to be at our level of competition. 

Lately that hasn't panned out too well. 

While we're looking at statistics.  I think it's Pepsi products.  Just look at how much worse we've done since the UA switched away from Coke.  Fans are mad, not cheering as loud because they have to drink Pepsi, and it's affecting the team as a result. 

Extrapolation....it's not fact.

Where did you go to school and what is your degree in? Humor me.

And then why did the New Mexico State game draw a larger crowd than the Mississippi State and Mizzou games? NMSU game had ~70k. Mississippi State and Mizzou had ~64k. That's not an extrapolation, either.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 03:01:20 pm
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Hmm...three trolls, all vying for the title in this thread.  I'd put you in a solid third.  In fact, you probably need to find another thread with a few lesser trolls, because these guys are kinda making you look bad.  You were hanging in there despite coming across as a yapping little dog behind the big dog, by sponging off of Ego's insignificant data he pulled up from 1912, but then you had to resort to posting a picture to make a point.  You were in second up to that point, just behind Austin, but Ego had you by trying to extrapolate data and claim it as fact.  Something science doesn't allow for, but I digress. 

Maybe if you go find another thread with some lesser trolls, you can be top dog again.   ;)    Run along...the big dogs out did you this time.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 06, 2018, 03:08:14 pm
Where did you go to school and what is your degree in? Humor me.

And then why did the New Mexico State game draw a larger crowd than the Mississippi State and Mizzou games? NMSU game had ~70k. Mississippi State and Mizzou had ~64k. That's not an extrapolation, either.

I have a Master's in Trollology with a minor is Statistical BS Analysis. 

I think it's because only the fans who want to see us win came out for that NMSU game.  Only the ones who love it when we play lesser opponents came out for that one.  Those ones later in the season...those guys stayed home, because they don't show up when we might lose to real competition.  /sarcasm

You know why...fans were tired of it, and that's not extrapolation either.  A point was being made that a change needed to be made...and that's how it manifested itself.   

Which again...all points to why you're clearly right, and we should tuck tail and move to the Big 12 where it's NMSU every week, and we'll mop the floor.  Can't get better unless you play lesser competition.  You can look that up in any sports psychology book...first page.  Meanwhile...I'm staring at a book on my office shelf....by Jack Welch..."Get Better, or Get Beaten." 

Funny...I see some others here.  Winning Every Day -  Lou Holtz   I don't recall anything in there about "when the going gets tough, lower your level of competition."     
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 03:10:47 pm
I have a Master's in Trollology with a minor is Statistical BS Analysis.

I think it's because only the fans who want to see us win came out for that NMSU game.  Only the ones who love it when we play lesser opponents came out for that one.  Those ones later in the season...those guys stayed home, because they don't show up when we might lose to real competition.  /sarcasm

You know why...fans were tired of it, and that's not extrapolation either.  A point was being made that a change needed to be made...and that's how it manifested itself.   

Which again...all points to why you're clearly right, and we should tuck tail and move to the Big 12 where it's NMSU every week, and we'll mop the floor.  Can't get better unless you play lesser competition.  You can look that up in any sports psychology book...first page.  Meanwhile...I'm staring at a book on my office shelf....by Jack Welch..."Get Better, or Get Beaten." 

Funny...I see some others here.  Winning Every Day -  Lou Holtz   I don't recall anything in there about "when the going gets tough, lower your level of competition."   

Yeah, that's what I figured. That's about the maturity level I expected.

Welcome to Hogville, where verifiable numbers and statistics are considered trolling. Would you like to run my numbers and percentages? Be my guest.

http://www.winsipedia.com/arkansas
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HoginMemphis on February 06, 2018, 03:12:20 pm


This is coming from a idiot who said Memphis is the better football program than Arkansas....
It has been for the past 6 years. Arkansas could not beat Memphis now any more than it could beat TCU. Thanks, moron.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 03:17:18 pm
Don't need to when we're making the statistics support what we want them to support.  That's what this is about isn't it?  You want to correlate how things looked in the 40's and 50's and apply it to today.  Because THAT is a much better example than the past 5 years right? 

Again...relevancy.  It matters. 

What I find funny is...you're going to all this trouble to dig stuff up to support an argument that we would do better against weaker opponents.  STUNNING thought process.  I'll concede that, if it makes you feel better.  I just didn't think we needed anywhere near this many posts to acknowledge that loser mentality that if you don't like losing, find a weaker opponent.

If that was your goal...nice work.  Nailed it.  It's basically why the stands are empty when we play the rent a win teams...hollow victories, nobody cares.  Same thing if we were playing Kansas...even though they might have given us a good game last season, to be fair.   

Ok we'll play this game. Since 1980:

Record vs. Big 12 schools: 36-26 or a 58% winning percentage
Record vs. SEC schools: 110-133 or a 45% winning percentage

If our win percentage for Big 12 schools is EXTRAPOLATED (I am using this term correctly, something you have not done a few times in this thread) across the SEC schools that is roughly 46 more wins in a 37 year time frame. That is more than a win a year in case you were struggling to keep up.

Please note that as we have DECREASED our sample size as you have prescribed your argument looks even WORSE.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 06, 2018, 03:17:32 pm
Hmm...three trolls, all vying for the title in this thread.  I'd put you in a solid third.  In fact, you probably need to find another thread with a few lesser trolls, because these guys are kinda making you look bad.  You were hanging in there despite coming across as a yapping little dog behind the big dog, by sponging off of Ego's insignificant data he pulled up from 1912, but then you had to resort to posting a picture to make a point.  You were in second up to that point, just behind Austin, but Ego had you by trying to extrapolate data and claim it as fact.  Something science doesn't allow for, but I digress. 

Maybe if you go find another thread with some lesser trolls, you can be top dog again.   ;)    Run along...the big dogs out did you this time.

Hahahah! You've been outdone this entire thread by several people. I posted the picture because I wanted to comically express that you are not smart and your arguments have no validity going against Mallett's statistical facts (funny that they come from Ryan Mallett, but that's beside the point). Also, the fact that he pulled them from 1912 to present is all the more reason that said facts are case-in-point to this argument. An argument that you had no business bringing your underdeveloped brain into, yet, for some unbeknownst reason, you chose to poke instead of actually consuming the info being presented and realizing that it is correct in every way, shape, and form.

Carry on, though.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 03:19:06 pm
Ok we'll play this game. Since 1980:

Record vs. Big 12 schools: 36-26 or a 58% winning percentage
Record vs. SEC schools: 110-133 or a 45% winning percentage

If our win percentage for Big 12 schools is EXTRAPOLATED (I am using this term correctly, something you have not done a few times in this thread) across the SEC schools that is roughly 46 more wins in a 37 year time frame. That is more than a win a year in case you were struggling to keep up.

Please note that as we have DECREASED our sample size as you have prescribed your argument looks even WORSE.

Fake news. Numbers and percentages don't matter. Gotta try harder. Gotta lose to the best to beat the best. Forget that Smalls has not used one verifiable stat or figure. Doesn't matter. Extrapolation. SEC money. Moral victories. Real losses.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: MJ2 on February 07, 2018, 12:20:24 pm
Does it go to the U of A (the state of Arkansas) or to the Razorback Foundation?    Not sure how the funds could go to any entity other that the U of A proper.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: razorbackfaninar on February 07, 2018, 12:32:57 pm
No it's not. These are factual numbers and statistics.

Also --- your post reads as though you're against racking up wins. Hey if you don't wanna win, that's not my problem. Keep bragging about that SEC money and having losing conference records more often than not.

I don't mind racking up wins, but for me personally the value of the win is important.  I value a win over Ole Miss more than a win over Florida A & M for example .  I mean if all that matters is w's then why move to the Big 12 at all? Why not move to the Sun Belt?  Moving somewhere we all perceive to be weaker to "rack up wins" against perceived inferior teams to me is not something I would want to do, because to me a w is not just a w.  The quality of the opponent matters, but that's just me.     
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 07, 2018, 12:36:36 pm
I don't mind racking up wins, but for me personally the value of the win is important.  I value a win over Ole Miss more than a win over Florida A & M for example .  I mean if all that matters is w's then why move to the Big 12 at all? Why not move to the Sun Belt?  Moving somewhere we all perceive to be weaker to "rack up wins" against perceived inferior teams to me is not something I would want to do, because to me a w is not just a w.  The quality of the opponent matters, but that's just me.     

To the bold: Yes, I do too. I agree with you. But beating Big 12 teams is more like beating Ole Miss, not Florida A&M.

To the underline: Because as has been said roughly 6 million times here, I am fine with a move to the Big 12 because it is still a P5 and a great way to get into the playoff. The Sun Belt is not a P5 conference and would be borderline impossible to make the playoff.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: ricepig on February 07, 2018, 01:09:35 pm
Does it go to the U of A (the state of Arkansas) or to the Razorback Foundation?    Not sure how the funds could go to any entity other that the U of A proper.


It goes to the Athletic Department.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 07, 2018, 01:32:24 pm
Yeah, uh, that's because, uh, sample sizes matter.

We went 1-7 in the SEC last year. Guess we can expect to have a .125 winning percentage in the SEC each year.

See how sample sizes can skew everything?

Too bad the sample sizes I've used range from the beginning of Arkansas football thru the 2017 season. My stats cover literally every single game Arkansas has played against a Big 12 or SEC opponent. Yours don't.

From what you keep saying, I keep hearing from you along with a few more people that it's the program's fault that we lost the games the past few years and it's not the coach.   I am willing to bet your wrong, but lets watch and see. I keep hearing it over and over and over from you and Steve that it's and Arkansas problem, that your not going to give anyone a chance to change anything.  If that is the case, you need to find another board. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 07, 2018, 01:43:26 pm
From what you keep saying, I keep hearing from you along with a few more people that it's the program's fault that we lost the games the past few years and it's not the coach.   I am willing to bet your wrong, but lets watch and see. I keep hearing it over and over and over from you and Steve that it's and Arkansas problem, that your not going to give anyone a chance to change anything. If that is the case, you need to find another board.

Read more. It's good for you. See below.

Absolutely. I love the Morris hire. For the first time in a while I think we're about to see some really great things from the program.

Who's to say Morris won't be Holtz? We have NO idea.

He could be Holtz. He could be Bielema. We have no clue.

Yeah, you are what your record says you are. And Morris' record has improved every year in the 3 years he's been a head coach after taking over a 1-11 team. I'd say that's called "progress," and "progress" can lead to some optimism.

I believe Morris is very good at identifying talent and developing it.

I support that with this, although a hole could be poked in my argument. Where the hole could be poked is in regards to the amount of walkons the SMU program currently has, or walkons that eventually contribute significantly.

Hear me out: No, SMU is not going to be a top five destination for recruits in Texas. But the AAC is a different animal in recruiting due to its geography. Teams range from USF, to SMU, to Cincinnati, to Temple, to Connecticut. Schools like USF, UCF, and Cincinnati, for example, have inherent advantages. Massive public schools that are in the middle of fertile recruiting grounds (yes, SMU is as well, but I'm getting there) that can take their share of leftovers, AND establish a solid walkon program.

SMU is a small private school that costs $46,000 to attend BEFORE room and board, books, etc. If someone can find evidence SMU has a strong walkon program, my argument is cut. But, that being said, SMU can't have the privilege of a walkon program like these other massively-enrolled state schools.

Therefore, Morris knows the players he is looking for, and he knows how to develop them, because he can't have players waiting in the walkon wings. He has to work with what he has, and he has done well; progress each year is doing well.

Our previous coach, in my opinion, was poor at both of those facets. I believe that Morris' ability to have a roster of almost all Texas recruits shows that he knows what he needs and how to develop them.

"What about his record?" He took over a 1-11 team and has added wins every year since. That's progress. In our microwave world, people want it NOW. A coach ain't gonna take a 1-11 team to 10-wins in consecutive years.

So that's my argument for Morris. I think he is a great identifier and developer of talent, and at a place like Arkansas where he will not overwhelmingly land 4* and 5* recruits, I think that's a valuable asset.

Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: gchamblee on February 07, 2018, 01:55:44 pm
I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.

you typed that as if you actually receive some of the money. its easy to make your statement when you have zero financial interest in the program lol. id take a smaller salary for my neighbor if it meant more wins too!
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 07, 2018, 02:03:27 pm
I don't mind racking up wins, but for me personally the value of the win is important.  I value a win over Ole Miss more than a win over Florida A & M for example .  I mean if all that matters is w's then why move to the Big 12 at all? Why not move to the Sun Belt?  Moving somewhere we all perceive to be weaker to "rack up wins" against perceived inferior teams to me is not something I would want to do, because to me a w is not just a w.  The quality of the opponent matters, but that's just me.     

Because the Sun Belt isn't a P5 conference. Racking up quality wins is much easier to do in the Big 12 than it currently is for Arkansas in the SEC and the value of these hypothetical wins would not be any less if they occurred in the Big 12. On a year in and year out basis, Arkansas would have a real chance to beat the following schools and it would be considered a quality win:

TCU
Baylor
OK State
WVU
K State
TTU
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: gchamblee on February 07, 2018, 02:03:54 pm
lol at all the people in this thread saying "the sec is too hard, can we go to an easier conference please?"
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HoginMemphis on February 07, 2018, 05:53:40 pm
lol at all the people in this thread saying "the sec is too hard, can we go to an easier conference please?"
I like it that Arkansas is in bottom half of the 14 team conference based on W-L record over past 25 seasons. Low expectations is the American way now. Also, gives us something to discuss here.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 08, 2018, 12:37:37 am
Hahahah! You've been outdone this entire thread by several people. I posted the picture because I wanted to comically express that you are not smart and your arguments have no validity going against Mallett's statistical facts (funny that they come from Ryan Mallett, but that's beside the point). Also, the fact that he pulled them from 1912 to present is all the more reason that said facts are case-in-point to this argument. An argument that you had no business bringing your underdeveloped brain into, yet, for some unbeknownst reason, you chose to poke instead of actually consuming the info being presented and realizing that it is correct in every way, shape, and form.

Carry on, though.

Oh, I carried on a long time ago.  You yahoos are the ones trying to argue an asinine point in the first place.  We're NOT going there.  We're NOT going to leave to try to win more games against lesser competition, and risk a conference implosion and be on the outside looking in. 

But... Ego just spent a lot of time digging up irrelevant statistics, and you chased behind like a little yappy dog.  But...for someone who will stoop as low as needed to win games, it doesn't surprise me that you would ride his coattails rather than formulate your own argument.  "Yeah, you tell 'em Ego.  Way to prove we can tuck our tails like cowards and win a few more games...1 a year based on the statistics I ran."   

Keep it up with our winning percentage vs. the Big 12.  It does NOT change the fact that the landscape over there has changed just in the past 5-7 years.  Winning would be MUCH harder than it was in the 80's...against the same teams.   
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 08, 2018, 12:46:58 am
Fake news. Numbers and percentages don't matter. Gotta try harder. Gotta lose to the best to beat the best. Forget that Smalls has not used one verifiable stat or figure. Doesn't matter. Extrapolation. SEC money. Moral victories. Real losses.

This is priceless.  You're going to extreme lengths to use statistics that DO NOT MATTER.  You're trying to PROVE that the Big 12 isn't as strong as the SEC.  NO SH__ SHERLOCK!!  We knew that before anyone here ever typed the first letter. 

My argument doesn't need statistics.  As I've said over and over, and you guys fail to grasp it, YOU DO NOT DROP IN COMPETITION, and EXCEL LONG TERM.  It won't happen.  You will sink to the level that you're playing aginst.  Period.  You can't recite a single circumstance where another team dropped in conference, and it helped them do anything of significant.

You don't have to believe me...that's fine.  But the UA is smart enough to know that they just have to get better coaches in place, and that Bama's reign won't last forever.  They are thinking LONG term, while you knuckleheads just want to win more games for the sake of winning, even if it's short term gains for long term disaster when the Big 12 folds. 

Do you want to pull some more statistics to show me that the Big 12 is weaker than the SEC?  That's what you did, and then you are trying to suggest that because we've won more there since 1980, we'll most certainly win more if we move over there now.  I never said we wouldn't, but your insistence that we'll waltz over there and beat OU, TX, and OSU just to name a few...is a HOPE, not something you can throw statistics at.  TX just killed it in recruiting, and they will be great again.  OU...already on top, and OSU would be a tall order for us right now.  Now...that's assuming we can do better than a win every other year again TCU and Texas Tech. 

My ears are deaf to your speculation, and particularly to your statistics that aren't relevant to the argument. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on February 08, 2018, 12:49:55 am
The stats pre and post SEC and every which way you slice it don't support you. Your dismissal of them shows your intelligence level.

Nutt won SEC games at a higher clip than the pre SEC Holtz, Broyles, Hatfield days.  Yet you say his record is not indicative of what we can achieve in the SEC. You repeatedly have nothing to back you up but your own thoughts.

You are obviously trolling at this point.  We're not going to the Big 12.  I'm sorry to dash your hopes and dreams of tucking tail and running to a lesser conference, but Ego's statistics aren't going to convince anyone of anything, because you never go forward by going backward. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 08, 2018, 08:19:26 am
This is priceless.  You're going to extreme lengths to use statistics that DO NOT MATTER.  You're trying to PROVE that the Big 12 isn't as strong as the SEC.  NO SH__ SHERLOCK!!  We knew that before anyone here ever typed the first letter. 

My argument doesn't need statistics.  As I've said over and over, and you guys fail to grasp it, YOU DO NOT DROP IN COMPETITION, and EXCEL LONG TERM.  It won't happen.  You will sink to the level that you're playing aginst.  Period.  You can't recite a single circumstance where another team dropped in conference, and it helped them do anything of significant.

You don't have to believe me...that's fine.  But the UA is smart enough to know that they just have to get better coaches in place, and that Bama's reign won't last forever.  They are thinking LONG term, while you knuckleheads just want to win more games for the sake of winning, even if it's short term gains for long term disaster when the Big 12 folds. 

Do you want to pull some more statistics to show me that the Big 12 is weaker than the SEC?  That's what you did, and then you are trying to suggest that because we've won more there since 1980, we'll most certainly win more if we move over there now.  I never said we wouldn't, but your insistence that we'll waltz over there and beat OU, TX, and OSU just to name a few...is a HOPE, not something you can throw statistics at.  TX just killed it in recruiting, and they will be great again.  OU...already on top, and OSU would be a tall order for us right now.  Now...that's assuming we can do better than a win every other year again TCU and Texas Tech. 

My ears are deaf to your speculation, and particularly to your statistics that aren't relevant to the argument.

Lol. "My argument doesn't need statistics." Way to say "you shouldn't take anything I say seriously because I'm going to support an argument with opinion and nothing substantial."

Also, I never said "we most certainly will." I said "I believe we would." Making absolute statements in a hypothetical argument makes no sense. Which is why it's the perfect thing for you to do.

The fact that you can't grasp the foundation and most basic premise of my whole argument, even after I explicitly laid it out for you in a template that a 3rd grader could follow, tells me all I need to know.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 08, 2018, 08:32:55 am
Keep it up with our winning percentage vs. the Big 12.  It does NOT change the fact that the landscape over there has changed just in the past 5-7 years.  Winning would be MUCH harder than it was in the 80's...against the same teams.   

SEC Winning percentage past 7 years: 34%
Big 12 Winning percentage past 7 years: 75%

My argument doesn't need statistics.  As I've said over and over, and you guys fail to grasp it, YOU DO NOT DROP IN COMPETITION, and EXCEL LONG TERM.  It won't happen.  You will sink to the level that you're playing aginst.  Period.  You can't recite a single circumstance where another team dropped in conference, and it helped them do anything of significant.

I guess you couldn't put two and two together when I mentioned Miami earlier. There isn't a modern example of a team leaving a POWER 5 conference for another POWER 5 conference of lesser talent. You yourself have admitted we would win more games in the Big 12. The Big 12 champ with one loss is getting into the playoff. 

Additionally, we have gotten worse as our competition increased. Prior to joining the SEC, we were 76-76 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .500.  Since joining the SEC, we are 95-120 against SEC teams for a winning percentage of .442.  Let's look at Ole Miss as an example since we played them nearly every year in the 1980s.  Our winning percentage 1980 on Pre SEC vs. Ole Miss: 70%.  Winning percentage post SEC Merger: 60%. This step up in competition has not benefited Arkansas.

I never said we wouldn't, but your insistence that we'll waltz over there and beat OU, TX, and OSU just to name a few...is a HOPE, not something you can throw statistics at.  TX just killed it in recruiting, and they will be great again.  OU...already on top, and OSU would be a tall order for us right now.  Now...that's assuming we can do better than a win every other year again TCU and Texas Tech. 

I've lost count of the amount of times I've addressed this issue. You either do not read or do not understand.  Maybe you attempt to read, do not understand, and subsequently give up. That would explain why I have to repeat myself over and over. But here you go:

I don't think anyone is insinuating we would dominate the Big 12, but that season every 5-7 years where we catch lightning in a bottle we'd probably play in the CFP.  2011 was our best finish in recent memory, where, at one point, we had a legitimate shot at a national title.  Didn't we STILL finish third in our DIVISION?

But... Ego just spent a lot of time digging up irrelevant statistics, and you chased behind like a little yappy dog.  But...for someone who will stoop as low as needed to win games, it doesn't surprise me that you would ride his coattails rather than formulate your own argument.  "Yeah, you tell 'em Ego.  Way to prove we can tuck our tails like cowards and win a few more games...1 a year based on the statistics I ran."   

An extra conference win a year is a pretty big deal. I'm not going to go into the math on why it is because that is clearly not your forte. We'll use an example instead: in the right year (see 2011) an extra conference win could have us playing for a national title.

My ears are deaf to your speculation, and particularly to your statistics that aren't relevant to the argument.

First bold: Clearly. You dismiss every statistic as irrelevant.
Second bold: I would say winning percentages against the two conferences being discussed is fairly relevant.

While I'm here, have you noticed that next to no one has joined in on your argument for the last four pages?  Might be because it's a losing battle to argue against over a hundred years worth of data which contradicts your point.

If you have actually read everything here, understood the statistics, and come to your same conclusions then you make Forrest Gump look like Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 08, 2018, 08:46:11 am
You are obviously trolling at this point.  We're not going to the Big 12.  I'm sorry to dash your hopes and dreams of tucking tail and running to a lesser conference, but Ego's statistics aren't going to convince anyone of anything, because you never go forward by going backward.

No one says we're going to the Big 12. We aren't -- and we all know that. However, the facts that were presented show that to date, Arkansas has more success against Big 12 programs. Would that success transfer into today's Big 12? No one knows. But, what is known is that staying in the SEC and the West in particular does nothing for our brand of winning when Arkansas is competing against Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and A&M year in and year out both on the recruiting trail and on the field. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp, but you've got your horse blinders on and you don't seem to be able to comprehend numbers.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 08, 2018, 12:29:21 pm
No one says we're going to the Big 12. We aren't -- and we all know that. However, the facts that were presented show that to date, Arkansas has more success against Big 12 programs. Would that success transfer into today's Big 12? No one knows. But, what is known is that staying in the SEC and the West in particular does nothing for our brand of winning when Arkansas is competing against Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and A&M year in and year out both on the recruiting trail and on the field. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp, but you've got your horse blinders on and you don't seem to be able to comprehend numbers.

We've had even better success against Sunbelt opponents so maybe we should go there.................
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 08, 2018, 12:35:10 pm
We've had even better success against Sunbelt opponents so maybe we should go there.................

To the bold: Yes, I do too. I agree with you. But beating Big 12 teams is more like beating Ole Miss, not Florida A&M.

To the underline: Because as has been said roughly 6 million times here, I am fine with a move to the Big 12 because it is still a P5 and a great way to get into the playoff. The Sun Belt is not a P5 conference and would be borderline impossible to make the playoff.


Because the Sun Belt isn't a P5 conference. Racking up quality wins is much easier to do in the Big 12 than it currently is for Arkansas in the SEC and the value of these hypothetical wins would not be any less if they occurred in the Big 12. On a year in and year out basis, Arkansas would have a real chance to beat the following schools and it would be considered a quality win:

TCU
Baylor
OK State
WVU
K State
TTU
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 08, 2018, 12:44:40 pm
We've had even better success against Sunbelt opponents so maybe we should go there.................

Go back and re-read the thread, please...and try to comprehend what you're reading. We don't want to have to stuff you in a locker today too, inhogs.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 08, 2018, 12:45:24 pm
We've had even better success against Sunbelt opponents so maybe we should go there.................

Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight............................
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hogindasticks on February 08, 2018, 01:11:42 pm
Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight............................

QB better start running now if he isn't mobile...gonna take him a while to get away.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hog-Corleone on February 08, 2018, 04:40:06 pm

While I'm here, have you noticed that next to no one has joined in on your argument for the last four pages?  Might be because it's a losing battle to argue against over a hundred years worth of data which contradicts your point.


I 100% agree with him, you want to take a poll.  Tried discussing this with you earlier, made some of the same points, moved on, got tired of banging my head against a brick wall.  I am sure that there are many others here that agree, and do not want to exhaust themselves by trying to argue with anyone wanting to leave the SEC for the BIG12. 
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 08, 2018, 04:58:37 pm
I 100% agree with him, you want to take a poll.  Tried discussing this with you earlier, made some of the same points, moved on, got tired of banging my head against a brick wall.  I am sure that there are many others here that agree, and do not want to exhaust themselves by trying to argue with anyone wanting to leave the SEC for the BIG12.

If you have actually read everything here, understood the statistics, and come to your same conclusions then you make Forrest Gump look like Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Hog-Corleone on February 08, 2018, 05:05:49 pm
If you have actually read everything here, understood the statistics, and come to your same conclusions then you make Forrest Gump look like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.  But you go ahead and keep hanging your hat on them.

Dang, just when I thought I was out, they keep dragging me back in...
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: JimmyJohnsonsBoat on February 08, 2018, 05:17:59 pm
Stats don't always tell the whole story.  But you go ahead and keep hanging your hat on them.

Dang, just when I thought I was out, they keep dragging me back in...

As hog fans, it probably is better if we disregard stats.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 08, 2018, 05:44:19 pm
Stats don't always tell the whole story.  But you go ahead and keep hanging your hat on them.

Dang, just when I thought I was out, they keep dragging me back in...

What is the story? 

I suggest you reread reply #303, 296, 286, 275, 244, 235, 191, and 176.



Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: JimmyJohnsonsBoat on February 08, 2018, 05:54:20 pm
What is the story? 

I suggest you reread reply #303, 296, 286, 275, 244, 235, 191, and 176.

more money in the SEC
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Pa-Paw on February 08, 2018, 09:44:27 pm
Baylor who just went through a huge scandal just pulled in a top 25 recruiting class. How is that even possible? The state of Texas produces lots of players.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 08, 2018, 09:49:23 pm
Go back and re-read the thread, please...and try to comprehend what you're reading. We don't want to have to stuff you in a locker today too, inhogs.


You ain't strong enough to stuff me in a locker.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 08, 2018, 09:57:37 pm
Baylor who just went through a huge scandal just pulled in a top 25 recruiting class. How is that even possible? The state of Texas produces lots of players.

Amazing what $$$$$$$$$ can buy.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Pa-Paw on February 08, 2018, 10:47:19 pm
 Baylor has more $$$ than a SEC school?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 09, 2018, 07:59:32 am
Amazing what $$$$$$$$$ can buy.

Guess if Morris has a great class next year it's because we finally decided to start using all that SEC money.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: rtr on February 09, 2018, 08:12:16 am
Guess if Morris has a great class next year it's because we finally decided to start using all that SEC money.
OU's history indicates they know how to put their money to good use.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: JimmyJohnsonsBoat on February 09, 2018, 08:28:46 am
OU's history indicates they know how to put their money to good use.

Paying players?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 09, 2018, 08:34:39 am

You ain't strong enough to stuff me in a locker.

Wanna bet, ya weasel?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: JimmyJohnsonsBoat on February 09, 2018, 08:37:53 am
Guess if Morris has a great class next year it's because we finally decided to start using all that SEC money.

SEC Money is the real deal.

Other conferences' money is Monopoly money.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: MemphisBossHog on February 10, 2018, 09:42:05 am
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Which ANY current Big 12 school would gladly trade for.

We leave the SEC with our tail between our legs (to the extreme laughter of the college sporting world) and the millisecond we left, OU or UT would take our spot.

You think it's hard to get recruits now? Just wait until we're trying to sell a kid from Georgia or Florida to come play in the Big 12 north... It's not like the Texas recruiting would get any easier, either. I remember all those crowing about how adding A&M to the SEC would be a positive for the UA...while A&M has risen above us and now the rest of the SECW is raiding Texas with equal or better results than us.
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Agreed and it really just comes down the simple line of thinking of when faced with a challenge that has been kicking your tail for a period of time, do you turn tail and run and go find easier opponents/challenges OR do you keep working til you figure it out and achieve your goal.

Going to Big12 no matter how you spin it is simply saying we can't compete. We need to go back down to play with "junior varsity."  These guys up here are too good for us.  It would be humiliating nationally. 

You can dress it up however you want and talk about how we are a Big12 school cause of who are rivals are/were or where we recruit or whatever argument you want to make but the reality is that if for some crazy reason, Ark decided to leave the SEC, it would be because we got tired of losing in football so we would be trying to find teams we actually could beat.  And that's it.  End of story.  And that would be an embarrassment.  National pundits would call it for what it would be---little Ark could not run with the big dogs and had to go home with tail between their legs.

Petrino proved we CAN compete.  He just took a motorcycle ride with the wrong passenger and the next 6-7 years have been a set back.  Let's see how CCM does before folks want to give up and go play with the JV.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: HoginMemphis on February 10, 2018, 11:41:20 am
I do not recall anyone who was not a constant sunshine pumper putting a positive spin on everything that occurs saying that A&M joining the SEC would be a net positive for U of A football. Common sense tells you it would hurt Arkansas recruiting in Texas. We had something unique to sell to Texas high school football players. When A&M joined, they began selling the same thing and they are in Texas. No brainer that A&M joining SEC would hurt Arkansas. And A&M has beaten the Hogs every year since they joined the SEC.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 11, 2018, 07:43:25 am
Baylor has more $$$ than a SEC school?

No. Just spends it a certain way like some SEC schools. They used to not spend anything but decided they should. Don't get me wrong they've always had money. Now they spend some on athletes.
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 11, 2018, 07:44:24 am
Wanna bet, ya weasel?

No need to, you can't even bust a nut...........
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: twistitup on February 11, 2018, 09:34:17 am
This puts a smile on my face...didnt HY say he was investing a majority of that money into upper westside improvments?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 12, 2018, 09:00:44 am
No. Just spends it a certain way like some SEC schools. They used to not spend anything but decided they should. Don't get me wrong they've always had money. Now they spend some on athletes.

Do you have a source?
Title: Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 12, 2018, 09:37:35 am
No need to, you can't even bust a nut...........

Wanna bet, ya weasel?