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Title: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on January 30, 2018, 04:29:44 pm
http://m.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/jan/30/razorback-foundation-ex-coach-bielema-reach-deal-b/
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.35m
Post by: pigture perfect on January 30, 2018, 04:32:19 pm
That’s over a million more than Houston Nutt in half the time.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: cypress rock on January 30, 2018, 04:41:40 pm
Rice isn't that about that amount owed on his remaining contract?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogfansince79 on January 30, 2018, 04:43:12 pm
That's over a million per SEC victory... jeez.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: buldozer on January 30, 2018, 04:47:29 pm
Good riddance, poor contract negotiation. No big deal though, the RF is flush and hasn't tapped the reserves in years.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on January 30, 2018, 04:49:15 pm
Rice isn't that about that amount owed on his remaining contract?

Uh huh.


https://twitter.com/KATVKyle/status/958464425949884416
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: DLUXHOG on January 30, 2018, 04:53:45 pm
“The nonprofit, funded by donors to support university athletics, is responsible for the final agreement with Bielema and for paying his severance.”    Wow....  that’s some serious “severance “......Wow....
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on January 30, 2018, 05:00:54 pm
http://www.arkansasonline.com/bielemabuyout/#7
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 05:24:43 pm
“The nonprofit, funded by donors to support university athletics, is responsible for the final agreement with Bielema and for paying his severance.”    Wow....  that’s some serious “severance “......Wow....
to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Letsroll1200 on January 30, 2018, 05:45:16 pm
For arguably the worst coach in the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: DLUXHOG on January 30, 2018, 05:47:15 pm
to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

I could only wish my career could and would end like that.....   Wow....
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 05:54:31 pm
I could only wish my career could and would end like that.....   Wow....
no doubt.  I don't even want to think about how many years I will have to work to make what he's getting in a month for not working.

of course his pales in comparison to what the bank execs got for crashing the market in 2008
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PygmalionEffect2 on January 30, 2018, 05:55:19 pm
Nice.

Glad the money wasn't wasted on scholarships for a 1,000 students.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: twistitup on January 30, 2018, 05:56:52 pm
That's a lot of Titos
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Poker_hog on January 30, 2018, 06:00:09 pm
to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

Why is his career over?  He could coach another 20 years or more.  He's not getting a head coach job at a top 40 program until he proves himself, but there's plenty of time for that.  Especially, if he learned from his mistakes here.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 06:03:57 pm
Why is his career over?  He could coach another 20 years or more.  He's not getting a head coach job at a top 40 program until he proves himself, but there's plenty of time for that.  Especially, if he learned from his mistakes here.
maybe not completely over, but he is going to be starting close to the bottom again.  I doubt he gets a job at a P5 program and it will be more than the 3 years left on his buyout before he does.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Hog N Bama on January 30, 2018, 06:04:27 pm
He isn’t worth 50 cents
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: 26.2Hog on January 30, 2018, 06:07:35 pm
to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

That "risk" was more than mitigated by the $30+ million he received for his five years of being Bret Bielema here.

Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: idochog on January 30, 2018, 06:08:51 pm
Over 30million we’ve paid the biggest loser. I think he’s gonna be ok
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 06:12:49 pm
That "risk" was more than mitigated by the $30+ million he received for his five years of being Bret Bielema here.


that is kind of the point.  getting him to make a jump from his secure spot in Wisc to an unsecure spot in Arkansas required making him financially secure.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: twistitup on January 30, 2018, 06:16:07 pm
that is kind of the point.  getting him to make a jump from his secure spot in Wisc to an unsecure spot in Arkansas required making him financially secure.

I have a feeling he knew his days were numbered in Madison
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: 26.2Hog on January 30, 2018, 06:18:40 pm
that is kind of the point.  getting him to make a jump from his secure spot in Wisc to an unsecure spot in Arkansas required making him financially secure.

Except that he wsn't rewarded with that huge buyout until after he went 6-6 in 2014 and beat a whipdog Texas in the Texas Bowl.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 06:21:40 pm
Except that he wsn't rewarded with that huge buyout until after he went 6-6 in 2014 and beat a whipdog Texas in the Texas Bowl.
he already had a huge buyout, the only thing that changed was he got an extension.

in essense it was before and after the exact same contract.  he gets his base salary prorated throughout the length of the contract.  so when his base went from 3.2 to 3.85 per year, so did his buyout.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 06:23:38 pm
I have a feeling he knew his days were numbered in Madison
can't blame him for making the jump while his stock was still high.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on January 30, 2018, 06:27:23 pm
Did we get him to jump or did he want to get out from Pappy's shadow and we provided a great opportunity?  A down program one year removed from an 11 win season. 
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: 26.2Hog on January 30, 2018, 06:29:26 pm
he already had a huge buyout, the only thing that changed was he got an extension.

in essense it was before and after the exact same contract.  he gets his base salary prorated throughout the length of the contract.  so when his base went from 3.2 to 3.85 per year, so did his buyout.

Actually, he would have been owed only 1 million when fired last year under his original 6 year contract.

EDIT: the link reporting that 1 million buyout was apparently incorrect. 

But the question remains, why reward a 7-6 season with a raise, extension, and a higher one-sided buyout?  Totally unnecessary.

Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ParkerSchnabel on January 30, 2018, 06:33:51 pm
to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

Fair ? He risked his career ? He sat on his backside and made excuses bc he knew he had the buyout to fall back on. All he did was destroy our program. He doesn't deserve anyone's pity. He's a sorry excuse for a human being.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 06:49:46 pm
Actually, he would have been owed only 1 million when fired last year under his original 6 year contract.

EDIT: the link reporting that 1 million buyout was apparently incorrect. 

But the question remains, why reward a 7-6 season with a raise, extension, and a higher one-sided buyout?  Totally unnecessary.


yeah, a 20% raise and a big extension was a big much for winning 2 conference games in 2 years.

I think Long and/or the BOT jumped the gun just a tad on that one.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 06:51:54 pm
Fair ? He risked his career ? He sat on his backside and made excuses bc he knew he had the buyout to fall back on. All he did was destroy our program. He doesn't deserve anyone's pity. He's a sorry excuse for a human being.
you can be a good coach and still lose in the SEC.  the level of competition here is unlike any other conference.

of course that doesn't excuse coastal carolina etc.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ParkerSchnabel on January 30, 2018, 06:52:44 pm
you can be a good coach and still lose in the SEC.  the level of competition here is unlike any other conference.

Dude is NOT a good coach.. I'd be willing to bet that he's either severely concussed from his playing days or darned near retarded. Geez some people.

Now you find Coastal or how about Toledo ? Brett is retarded or concussed. Had no business taking this job. Should have been fired at the end of season one. Too many supporters from his "friends"
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: TN HOG on January 30, 2018, 06:54:32 pm
I regret we have a society that rewards regression.

noun: regression; plural noun: regressions
1.
a return to a former or less developed state.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Mr. Porkleone on January 30, 2018, 06:56:00 pm
Shame of Jeff Long for setting this buyout up. Jeff over reacted after CBB beat Texas and sets Razorback Athletics back years.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: TebowHater on January 30, 2018, 07:06:39 pm
Shame of Jeff Long for setting this buyout up. Jeff over reacted after CBB beat Texas and sets Razorback Athletics back years.

This and this only.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Sivad on January 30, 2018, 07:09:37 pm
A hell of a lot of money to make a failed attempt to hire Gus Malzahn and then settle for a coach that has never been to a bowl game and has a losing record.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: jvanhorn on January 30, 2018, 07:10:30 pm
no doubt.  I don't even want to think about how many years I will have to work to make what he's getting in a month for not working.

of course his pales in comparison to what the bank execs got for crashing the market in 2008


well Trump and boys removed all the safeguards of that happening again, little as they were , so just stick around for a few years.  You will get a lesson in those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, not that it matters i guess.  Hawkings says we are a doomed planet--and he is a genius and as non political as you can get.  Won't matter to us but if you love your grandkids you might be a little worried.  Not that anyone wants to think about stuff like that, lol.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on January 30, 2018, 07:11:40 pm
I regret we have a society that rewards regression.

noun: regression; plural noun: regressions
1.
a return to a former or less developed state.

He received the contract extension in February 2015, after the 2014 season concluded.

2013: 3 wins
2014: 7 wins
Early 2015: Contract Extension
2015: 8 wins

Downhill from there.


Might wanna look up the definition for "progression."

I am no Bielema fan by any means. God Almighty am I glad the dude is gone. But "regression" wasn't rewarded here. Your post is just inaccurate. Had he won 7 in 2013 and then 3 in 2014 and still received an extension, then yes, regression would have been rewarded. As it stands, progression was rewarded, just too early.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: goodguytex on January 30, 2018, 07:13:41 pm
Bielema has stated he's been contacted by some NFL teams about coaching. As an assistant coach. And assistant NFL coaches do make big money. So his career is not over.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Mjs84 on January 30, 2018, 07:18:23 pm
Dude is NOT a good coach.. I'd be willing to bet that he's either severely concussed from his playing days or darned near retarded. Geez some people.

Now you find Coastal or how about Toledo ? Brett is retarded or concussed. Had no business taking this job. Should have been fired at the end of season one. Too many supporters from his "friends"
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Flrazrback on January 30, 2018, 07:21:48 pm
The career isnt over if he chooses it not to be. However having 10+ million sitting in the bank collecting interest doesn't always compel a person to be hungry for any job that may come about.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hawganatic on January 30, 2018, 07:30:00 pm
 
But the question remains, why reward a 7-6 season with a raise, extension, and a higher one-sided buyout?  Totally unnecessary.

Makes the job more marketable to future coaches.  Win big or get rich trying...

Problem isn't with the way Arkansas negotiated the contract.  The problem is this is what the market is demanding right now.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hawganatic on January 30, 2018, 07:32:47 pm
Bielema has stated he's been contacted by some NFL teams about coaching. As an assistant coach. And assistant NFL coaches do make big money. So his career is not over.

His career isn't over.  He still garners a lot of respect in the coaching circles.  He isn't going to get a head SEC gig any time soon, but he can get a job with a lower tier school (the FL schools seem to be where coaches go to rehab their careers) or jump to the NFL like you said.

Losing at Arkansas doesn't kill anybody's career.  Kinda says a lot about our program...
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 30, 2018, 07:39:12 pm
to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

Nobody gets ahead in their career without taking some calculated risks.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Razorbackers on January 30, 2018, 07:50:46 pm
Shame of Jeff Long for setting this buyout up. Jeff over reacted after CBB beat Texas and sets Razorback Athletics back years.

If you're upset about the contract, you should direct that toward the foundation, not Jeff Long.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on January 30, 2018, 07:54:10 pm
Nobody gets ahead in their career without taking some calculated risks.
and this one didn't work out for either side.

Financial compensation aside, he is going to be knocked down a few rungs.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: McKdaddy on January 30, 2018, 08:14:26 pm
I have a feeling he knew his days were numbered in Madison

My Wiscy relatives felt he was beginning to feel some heat.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: gohogs1969 on January 30, 2018, 09:06:08 pm
I actually harbor no bad feeling towards Bret and the buyout. A contract is a contract and he tried his best. It didn't work out. All SEC coaches get rich.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Nashville Fan on January 30, 2018, 09:48:06 pm
Until 16 games ago, a lot of people on here were happy. Few people foresaw the meltdown. Line problems gave a few people a wiff. But, most were happy. If it weren’t for injuries he might still be here. Same way Nutt hung on for so long.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Hou-Hog on January 30, 2018, 10:05:02 pm
Epic failure by JLong.  This alone is reason for him to have been fired.  Terrible business man. 
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Rzbakfromwaybak on January 30, 2018, 11:01:46 pm

to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.


Yeah, poor Bret.  Bet it's going to be a struggle trying to survive on just shy of a 12 million $$$ nest egg.  Maybe he'll get hired at Walmart as a greeter....
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Smalltownhog95 on January 31, 2018, 02:33:01 am
Epic failure by JLong.  This alone is reason for him to have been fired.  Terrible business man.
To think his legacy at Arkansas will be firing Petrino, hiring Bielema, and Pepsi. Surprised a few of you let him leave alive....
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 31, 2018, 07:20:49 am
and this one didn't work out for either side.

Financial compensation aside, he is going to be knocked down a few rungs.

Maybe so but coaches, managers, executives, etc. make decisions all the time for their career that don't work out. I know I've had that happen to me. To say "to be fair" isn't something to consider when he is getting such a huge buyout.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 31, 2018, 07:24:18 am
that is kind of the point.  getting him to make a jump from his secure spot in Wisc to an unsecure spot in Arkansas required making him financially secure.

But no spot in coaching is secure. Security in coaching is defined by how many games you win with a little bit of not getting in trouble mixed in.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 07:25:02 am
To think his legacy at Arkansas will be firing Petrino, hiring Bielema, and Pepsi. Surprised a few of you let him leave alive....

Pepsi is/was a University contract, not an athletic department contract.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on January 31, 2018, 07:37:29 am
To think his legacy at Arkansas will be firing Petrino, hiring Bielema, and Pepsi. Surprised a few of you let him leave alive....

Firing Petrino: His hands were tied because of Petrino's actions. It had to be done.

Hiring Bert: Not one person at the time said the hire was anything but a Home Run.(Unexpected but still a home run)

Pepsi: he literally had nothing to do with that...

Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Busta_Nutt on January 31, 2018, 09:02:44 am
To think his legacy at Arkansas will be firing Petrino, hiring Bielema, and Pepsi. Surprised a few of you let him leave alive....

What would you have done differently? We're all waiting.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on January 31, 2018, 09:08:52 am
What would you have done differently? We're all waiting.

He said
His greatest contribution
Is the ones
You leave behind
Raised on the ways
And gentle kindness
Of a SmalltownHog95
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 31, 2018, 09:25:07 am
Dude is NOT a good coach.. I'd be willing to bet that he's either severely concussed from his playing days or darned near retarded. Geez some people.

Now you find Coastal or how about Toledo ? Brett is retarded or concussed. Had no business taking this job. Should have been fired at the end of season one. Too many supporters from his "friends"
You are the hardcorehoggy of MMQB.  You realize that everybody who disagrees with you isn't stupid or retarded, right?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hawgon on January 31, 2018, 09:38:12 am
UA counsel admits what some of us have been saying on here for a bit:

Quote
"The original agreements were drafted by two different parties, and any discrepancy between the two was ultimately negotiated by the Foundation," University of Arkansas System spokesman Nate Hinkel said. "Ultimately you'd like to have matching documents when the terms of their content are being executed, but in this case there was a question about which one was in play and it was negotiated by the appropriate party."

Then of course, it is also revealed in the article that Bert had the Foundation by the shorthairs and the only reason Bert agreed to less than the full $15.4 million was because we did away with his contractual obligation to mitigate and offset the buyout against future earnings.  That “offset” is already cooked into this lower buyout.

Quote
Razorback Foundation Executive Director Scott Varady said in a printed statement that Bielema's representatives "cooperated in developing the necessary mechanisms" to calculate Bielema's buyout, which will be paid in monthly installments. The two sides also worked together on the language to lessen the sum based on the coach's future earnings.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 09:45:15 am
UA counsel admits what some of us have been saying on here for a bit:

Then of course, it is also revealed in the article that Bert had the Foundation by the shorthairs and the only reason Bert agreed to less than the full $15.4 million was because we did away with his contractual obligation to mitigate and offset the buyout against future earnings.  That “offset” is already cooked into this lower buyout.


He still has any future earning offset from the Foundation's payments, after the various excluded amounts per year.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/bielemabuyout/
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hawgon on January 31, 2018, 09:49:04 am
He still has any future earning offset from the Foundation's payments, after the various excluded amounts per year.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/bielemabuyout/

No, you are one hundred percent wrong.  Varady’s statement tells us that.  And, no there is no need to post the contract.  They’ve negotiated a different amount.  It is now a new agreement.  They can agree to anything they want.

I fully expect you to return and tell us how you are wrong once Bielema takes another job and the Foundation financial statement shows the monthly buyout at the same number.

Okay, I see that you posted the new agreement and it still has that in it.  Mea culpa.  I thought you were putting up the old contract.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hawgon on January 31, 2018, 09:56:46 am
It will be interesting to see if Bielema includes those NFL offers he claimed to have already received in the report that he is required to submit to the Foundation every six months.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 10:04:26 am
No, you are one hundred percent wrong.  Varady’s statement tells us that.  And, no there is no need to post the contract.  They’ve negotiated a different amount.  It is now a new agreement.  They can agree to anything they want.

I fully expect you to return and tell us how you are wrong once Bielema takes another job and the Foundation financial statement shows the monthly buyout at the same number.

Okay, I see that you posted the new agreement and it still has that in it.  Mea culpa.  I thought you were putting up the old contract.

You must have worked for the RF when doing the 2015 contract, running your mouth instead of reading it......
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hawgon on January 31, 2018, 10:06:50 am
You must have worked for the RF when doing the 2015 contract, running your mouth instead of reading it......

Touché.  The new agreement is actually quite specific as to what mitigation actually means.  Much better than the old.

And I’ll gurandamntee you that Bert’s attorneys and agent cringed and chewed his ass good when they read his quotes about waiting for the perfect situation and having already turned down NFL jobs. 
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 10:19:19 am
Touché.  The new agreement is actually quite specific as to what mitigation actually means.  Much better than the old.

And I’ll gurandamntee you that Bert’s attorneys and agent cringed and chewed his ass good when they read his quotes about waiting for the perfect situation and having already turned down NFL jobs. 

Hopefully he gets some job that makes more than $150k a year, or at least turns them down.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: DeltaBoy on January 31, 2018, 11:12:48 am
to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

He will land some where rebuild his rep and get back into the big 10.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: twistitup on January 31, 2018, 11:39:10 am
You must have worked for the RF when doing the 2015 contract, running your mouth instead of reading it......

It's what he does - you won't win an argument w him.

He will just redirect
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hawgon on January 31, 2018, 11:44:03 am
It's what he does - you won't win an argument w him.

He will just redirect

Except in his case I said “Touché” which acknowledged that he was right, because unlike you EVER, he was.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: twistitup on January 31, 2018, 11:46:26 am
Except in his case I said “Touché” which acknowledged that he was right, because unlike you EVER, he was.

EVER is a strong word...
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hawgon on January 31, 2018, 11:48:07 am
EVER is a strong word...

Not too strong apparently.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on January 31, 2018, 12:01:14 pm
Anyone still think Jeff Long was a competent and honorable human being?

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7dzw39j2nd1VHvt3VKFbegSTqeM=/23x0:338x210/1400x933/filters:focal(23x0:338x210):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/4490755/bielema-calling-the-hogs-32.0.gif)
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on January 31, 2018, 12:05:44 pm
Anyone still think Jeff Long was a competent and honorable human being?

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7dzw39j2nd1VHvt3VKFbegSTqeM=/23x0:338x210/1400x933/filters:focal(23x0:338x210):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/4490755/bielema-calling-the-hogs-32.0.gif)

Anyone think Jeff Long was the sole actor in the extension and buyout?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on January 31, 2018, 12:09:52 pm
Anyone think Jeff Long was the sole actor in the extension and buyout?

Other than the morons that agreed to it, he's the main conspirator.

He should be tarred, feathered and never allowed near a university as long as he lives.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on January 31, 2018, 12:14:51 pm
Other than the morons that agreed to it, he's the main conspirator.

He should be tarred, feathered and never allowed near a university as long as he lives.

Link?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: NuttinItUp on January 31, 2018, 02:04:04 pm
Anyone still think Jeff Long was a competent and honorable human being?

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7dzw39j2nd1VHvt3VKFbegSTqeM=/23x0:338x210/1400x933/filters:focal(23x0:338x210):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/4490755/bielema-calling-the-hogs-32.0.gif)

Wow, BB was so svelt back then.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on January 31, 2018, 02:08:50 pm
Link?

What do want a link to?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on January 31, 2018, 02:10:56 pm
Other than the morons that agreed to it, he's the main conspirator.

He should be tarred, feathered and never allowed near a university as long as he lives.

That is pure hearsay
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Hogblog on January 31, 2018, 02:13:34 pm
to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

as it should be....
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on January 31, 2018, 02:17:45 pm
What do want a link to?

Information or an article explicitly saying Jeff Long was, in your words, "the main conspirator."
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on January 31, 2018, 02:18:47 pm
That is pure hearsay

No it's not.  Are you honestly claiming this clown (Long) didn't know of his buyout?

It was negotiated through the foundation without his knowledge?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on January 31, 2018, 02:19:46 pm
Information or an article explicitly saying Jeff Long was, in your words, "the main conspirator."

What do you believe is encompassed within an athletic director's job description?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on January 31, 2018, 02:24:02 pm
No it's not.  Are you honestly claiming this clown (Long) didn't know of his buyout?

It was negotiated through the foundation without his knowledge?

No, he obviously knew of it but anyone that believes he went about formulating the extension and buyout figures on his own is delusional.

Also, to make an attack on a person and claim they deserve to be "tarred and feathered" is pretty harsh given most people thought the extension was a good move at the time.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Jim Harris on January 31, 2018, 02:24:17 pm
http://m.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/jan/30/razorback-foundation-ex-coach-bielema-reach-deal-b/

It sounds so, so much better than saying $12 million.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on January 31, 2018, 02:26:34 pm
What do you believe is encompassed within an athletic director's job description?

Stop deflecting and avoiding. I asked for proof that Jeff Long was "the main conspirator."
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on January 31, 2018, 02:30:22 pm
Anyone still think Jeff Long was a competent and honorable human being?

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7dzw39j2nd1VHvt3VKFbegSTqeM=/23x0:338x210/1400x933/filters:focal(23x0:338x210):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/4490755/bielema-calling-the-hogs-32.0.gif)

Yes
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on January 31, 2018, 02:33:03 pm
No it's not.  Are you honestly claiming this clown (Long) didn't know of his buyout?

It was negotiated through the foundation without his knowledge?

The boogeyman is not real.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Razorbackers on January 31, 2018, 02:41:05 pm
Stop deflecting and avoiding. I asked for proof that Jeff Long was "the main conspirator."

Didn't you know? Long writes every contract and then approves the contracts he writes! That's how it works!
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on January 31, 2018, 02:45:08 pm
Didn't you know? Long writes every contract and then approves the contracts he writes! That's how it works!

All makes sense now!
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: 12247 on January 31, 2018, 04:04:02 pm
I Am Smart, don't agree that you are.  Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive. 
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 04:11:17 pm
I Am Smart, don't agree that you are.  Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive. 

Long didn't fire Bielema.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on January 31, 2018, 04:14:19 pm
I Am Smart, don't agree that you are. Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive.

Well. That’s pretty funny.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 31, 2018, 04:15:12 pm
Long didn't fire Bielema.

Dang I am only four minutes too late!
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on January 31, 2018, 04:31:24 pm
I Am Smart, don't agree that you are.  Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive.

When who did what?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on January 31, 2018, 04:42:01 pm
I Am Smart, don't agree that you are.  Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive.

I may not be a smart man, Jenny, but I am aware of the fact the Long was fired before Bert was.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on January 31, 2018, 10:33:04 pm
It's easy to pile on Jeff Long for the 2014 extension, and rightfully so. Won't get any argument from me. He made that decision, and it turned out to be wrong.

However, I would point out he wasn't the only one thinking like that in 2014. After the 17-0 shutout of LSU and 30-0 shutout of Ole Miss, and then 31-7 over Texas to end the year, some national pundits were writing that Arkansas was a team on the rise. Matt Hayes of The Sporting News wrote a fawning column around that time. The gyst of it was 'Look out SEC West...Arkansas is coming. Bielema is building something'. At the time, I was proud and soaking it up but at the same time thinking to myself 'right, I'm sure Alabama is quaking in their boots right now, c'mon'
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Haters gonna hate on January 31, 2018, 11:49:48 pm
Pay him then erase his existence. Sick of hearing about that bloated turd.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 01, 2018, 07:43:06 am
Stop deflecting and avoiding. I asked for proof that Jeff Long was "the main conspirator."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Long_(athletic_director)
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on February 01, 2018, 08:26:22 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Long_(athletic_director)

In what way does this prove that he was the only one involved when the extension/buyout was formulated?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 08:33:30 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Long_(athletic_director)

(https://imgur.com/a/X2gi4)
(https://imgur.com/a/V93a1)

Still failing to see definitive proof where Long was "the main conspirator." Without editing the Wikipedia page that you linked, can you show me where I'm missing the language that says he was "the main conspirator?"

You're pretty bad at backing up an argument. You should try not doing that anymore.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 08:46:47 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Long_(athletic_director)

I ,for one, am shocked a conspiracy theorist somehow managed to provide an incorrect link.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Razorbackers on February 01, 2018, 09:02:18 am
Other than the morons that agreed to it, he's the main conspirator.

He should be tarred, feathered and never allowed near a university as long as he lives.

(https://imgur.com/3USgt2g.gif)
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: 010HogFan on February 01, 2018, 09:10:44 am
A hell of a lot of money to make a failed attempt to hire Gus Malzahn and then settle for a coach that has never been to a bowl game and has a losing record.

C O N T E X T
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: oldhawg on February 01, 2018, 09:11:27 am
Don't know what happened behind the scenes, maybe Long was the architect for the buyout or maybe he just went along with it.  Regardless, a responsible CEO should have balked at such a hefty buyout for a mediocre coach, at least until such coach had proven his worth as demonstrated  by the football team's above average performance for a couple of years.

IMO, Long accomplished major initiatives in facilities improvement in the athletic department, but missed the boat in public relations, and gets at best an average mark for many of his personnel hires, especially coaches.  Was surprised that he was fired, but glad that he is gone.   
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: 010HogFan on February 01, 2018, 09:14:48 am
Don't know what happened behind the scenes, maybe Long was the architect for the buyout or maybe he just went along with it.  Regardless, a responsible CEO should have balked at such a hefty buyout for a mediocre coach, at least until such coach had proven his worth as demonstrated  by the football team's above average performance for a couple of years.

IMO, Long accomplished major initiatives in facilities improvement in the athletic department, but missed the boat in public relations, and gets at best an average mark for many of his personnel hires, especially coaches.  Was surprised that he was fired, but glad that he is gone.   

While everyone was excited about the landmark victories of the Bielema Era (the back to back shutouts and the bowl win over Texas)...this shouldn't have been anywhere NEAR enough grounds to give this coach such an insurmountable figure of a buyout...much less an extension. It is way more ludicrous than the one they just gave Mike Anderson, which is only kind of ludicrous.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Grizzlyfan on February 01, 2018, 09:42:44 am
No it's not.  Are you honestly claiming this clown (Long) didn't know of his buyout?

It was negotiated through the foundation without his knowledge?
Of course he knew.  As did the BOT and Varady at the foundation.  And probably everybody else at the foundation.  This buyout is no different than most every contract buyout provision in P5 football.  Especially if you are hiring a p5 coach to move to another p5 school.  Which rarely happens.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on February 01, 2018, 09:53:49 am
Of course he knew.  As did the BOT and Varady at the foundation.  And probably everybody else at the foundation.  This buyout is no different than most every contract buyout provision in P5 football.  Especially if you are hiring a p5 coach to move to another p5 school.  Which rarely happens.

No way that any of the others you listed were involved. It was handled by Long,and Long alone. Just ask Hogcards
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 09:56:41 am
No way that any of the others you listed were involved. It was handled by Long,and Long alone. Just ask Hogcards

Can't argue with this
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Razorbackers on February 01, 2018, 09:59:15 am
No way that any of the others you listed were involved. It was handled by Long,and Long alone. Just ask Hogcards

Fun fact: The contract was signed when Long lost a fiddle competition to a UGA fan.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 10:03:37 am
Fun fact: The contract was signed when Long lost a fiddle competition to a UGA fan.

"Jeffie Went Down to Georgia," the not-so-anticipated new single from the new HogCards album, "Tinfoil Hat Blues."
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 01, 2018, 11:35:35 am
(https://imgur.com/a/X2gi4)
(https://imgur.com/a/V93a1)

Still failing to see definitive proof where Long was "the main conspirator." Without editing the Wikipedia page that you linked, can you show me where I'm missing the language that says he was "the main conspirator?"

You're pretty bad at backing up an argument. You should try not doing that anymore.

What was he (Long) responsible for while he was here?

Are you insinuating he wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 11:37:16 am
What was he (Long) responsible for while he was here?

Are you insinuating he wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout?

Of course he knew.  As did the BOT and Varady at the foundation.  And probably everybody else at the foundation.  This buyout is no different than most every contract buyout provision in P5 football.  Especially if you are hiring a p5 coach to move to another p5 school.  Which rarely happens.

You are bad at reading.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 01, 2018, 11:39:14 am
You are bad at reading.

So he (Long) knew of Bielema's buyout, but he couldn't prevent it?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on February 01, 2018, 11:39:36 am
What was he (Long) responsible for while he was here?

Are you insinuating he wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout?

Not one person has said that!

You claimed he was the only one responsible for the contract(Not the Foundation, the BOT, or anyone else), which was the reason for the argument.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 01, 2018, 11:41:28 am
Not one person has said that!

You claimed he was the only one responsible for the contract(Not the Foundation, the BOT, or anyone else), which was the reason for the argument.

Who has the final say so in that contract?

...and no I said he was main person involved.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 11:43:58 am
So he (Long) knew of Bielema's buyout, but he couldn't prevent it?

Yes, he (Long) knew of his (Bielema) buyout, but he (Long) was not the "main conspirator." As discussed, quite a few people (BoT, Foundation) had to sign off on the decision to give him (Bielema) a contract extension.

Insinuating he (Long) acted maliciously and intentionally detrimental to the university by giving him (Bielema) a contract extension is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 11:44:17 am
What was he (Long) responsible for while he was here?

Are you insinuating he wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout?

Being an antagonist isn't your strong suit. I legitimately never insinuated Long wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout. Of course he was aware of it. What a ridiculous statement to make.

You never said Long was merely aware. You said he was "the main conspirator."

You also clearly don't understand how markets work. Extreme buyouts and contract extensions are the norm now. Not saying they should be, but that's the way the world is. Matthew Stafford was the highest paid player in the NFL last year. 0-3 career record in the playoffs. Derek Carr was something like the 3rd highest paid. His huge extension came after just 3 years in the league and an 0-1 career playoff record.

Learn to look at things outside of Arkansas.

If you think that's exclusive to Arkansas, Bielema, and Long, then I can't help you. Well, no one can. But you get my point. Or maybe you don't.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 01, 2018, 11:56:16 am
Yes, he (Long) knew of his (Bielema) buyout, but he (Long) was not the "main conspirator." As discussed, quite a few people (BoT, Foundation) had to sign off on the decision to give him (Bielema) a contract extension.

Insinuating he (Long) acted maliciously and intentionally detrimental to the university by giving him (Bielema) a contract extension is ridiculous.

You can run cover for him until you're blue in the face, it doesn't conceal the fact that Long essentially handed the moron a brand new contract that included this insane buyout after a mediocre 2015 season.  ...after he failed miserable in 2013 and 2014.

One person had the final say not to do that-Long.  He failed to step up. And if it wasn't malicious as you claim, it was certainly shortsided and senseless.  The BOT didn't do this behind his back.

However, in the wake of the news that Long may have actually wanted to keep Bielema past this season, I tend to believe it was done more intentionally, than Long simply not understating his job.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 12:00:42 pm
You can run cover for him until you're blue in the face, it doesn't conceal the fact that Long essentially handed the moron a brand new contract that included this insane buyout after a mediocre 2015 season.  ...after he failed miserable in 2013 and 2014.

One person had the final say not to do that-Long.  He failed to step up. And if it wasn't malicious as you claim, it was certainly shortsided and senseless.  The BOT didn't do this behind his back.

However, in the wake of the news that Long may have actually wanted to keep Bielema past this season, I tend to believe it was done more intentionally, than Long simply not understating his job.

You are a miserable person. I'm not going to entertain your ridiculous arguments any longer. Have a nice life.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 01, 2018, 12:03:10 pm
You are a miserable person. I'm not going to entertain your ridiculous arguments any longer. Have a nice life.

Take care kid.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: rude1 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:09 pm
I said it at the time it was given, “Dumbest contract ever". You have a football coach under contract who is 10-15 with 2-14 in conference. On what planet does that signal you need to lock this guy down and give him a buyout that inhibits our ability  to fire him? A gross misuse of the programs assets that allowed a star struck AD out to show he could hire his own football coach, give an undeserving football coach a contract raise, extension with hefty buyout on the University's behalf and becacuse of JL national popularity, nobody would give a disenting voice to his insane proposal.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 01, 2018, 12:45:50 pm
I said it at the time it was given, “Dumbest contract ever". You have a football coach under contract who is 10-15 with 2-14 in conference. On what planet does that signal you need to lock this guy down and give him a buyout that inhibits our ability  to fire him? A gross misuse of the programs assets that allowed a star struck AD out to show he could hire his own football coach, give an undeserving football coach a contract raise, extension with hefty buyout on the University's behalf and becacuse of JL national popularity, nobody would give a disenting voice to his insane proposal.

Yep,

This is why folks need to direct their angst more toward Long than Bielema.  You can't blame him for getting the most money he could.   Bielema and his agent did a great job.  Long and the Razorback Foundation...no.

He's either completely incompetent or deliberately unprincipled.  It's one or the other.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Razorbackers on February 01, 2018, 12:49:35 pm
Yep,

This is why folks need to direct their angst more toward Long than Bielema.  You can't blame him for getting the most money he could.   Bielema and his agent did a great job.  Long and the Razorback Foundation...no.

He's either completely incompetent or deliberately unprincipled.  It's one or the other.

You guys are so cute.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 12:52:30 pm
Yep,

This is why folks need to direct their angst more toward Long than Bielema.  You can't blame him for getting the most money he could.   Bielema and his agent did a great job.  Long and the Razorback Foundation...no.

He's either completely incompetent or deliberately unprincipled.  It's one or the other.

Do you still direct angst towards the guy or girl who broke up with you in high school or now that he or she is gone from your life you just move along?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: OkieBack on February 01, 2018, 12:55:24 pm
That's a lot of Titos

So does this mean the University recoups through higher ticket prices?  Dang you BB!!!!  Lol
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hoghearted on February 01, 2018, 12:56:19 pm
Some of you make it sound like Long was just a bystander in the contract extension process.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 01:02:21 pm
Some of you make it sound like Long was just a bystander in the contract extension process.

Some of you make it sound like Long was a lone wolf, operating without the approval and support of the board and foundation.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: OkieBack on February 01, 2018, 01:02:25 pm
Some of you make it sound like Long was just a bystander in the contract extension process.

All people have to do is realize Long is no longer with the UofA and that says it all.  Long was as guilty as BB was for taking the d@!* contract.  Of course BB is  now sitting pretty and smiling I'm sure.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: OkieBack on February 01, 2018, 01:04:16 pm
Some of you make it sound like Long was a lone wolf, operating without the approval and support of the board and foundation.

No, but the rubber stampers don't see the heat quite like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 01:05:09 pm
No, but the rubber stampers don't see the heat quite like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process.

Link that Jeff Long wrote the contract or initiated the process? How do you know a Board member or RF member didn't initiate it?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 01:06:49 pm
All people have to do is realize Long is no longer with the UofA and that says it all.  Long was as guilty as BB was for taking the d@!* contract.  Of course BB is  now sitting pretty and smiling I'm sure.

It was a bad contract. A lot of people smarter and more successful than me and I'd reckon you made a bad decision. Long is gone, in part, becasue of that contract. Get over it.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: S&W on February 01, 2018, 01:09:52 pm
Link that Jeff Long wrote the contract or initiated the process? How do you know a Board member or RF member didn't initiate it?


Because carpetbagger yankee
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 01:10:18 pm

Because carpetbagger yankee

I laughed +1
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 01:10:51 pm

Because carpetbagger yankee

150 years later and we still ain't learnt nuthin'  >:(
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 01, 2018, 01:13:40 pm
It was a bad contract. A lot of people smarter and more successful than me and I'd reckon you made a bad decision. Long is gone, in part, becasue of that contract. Get over it.

Who's Beca Sue?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: OkieBack on February 01, 2018, 01:18:40 pm
Link that Jeff Long wrote the contract or initiated the process? How do you know a Board member or RF member didn't initiate it?

I don't.  But if Long wasn't the one mainly responsible then I hope that BOT member who wrote it is gone as well.  I just know if Long wasn't guilty or didn't play a huge hand in it he would still be around. 
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on February 01, 2018, 01:24:28 pm
I don't.  But if Long wasn't the one mainly responsible then I hope that BOT member who wrote it is gone as well.  I just know if Long wasn't guilty or didn't play a huge hand in it he would still be around.

What if it was merely the fact that Long was not willing to fire Bielema? Potentially the BOT gave him an ultimatum "Bielema is getting fired, either you do it or you are both gone"?

Also, what if it could have been Long was just the scapegoat for a contract that multiple parties were involved with but didn't want to take responsibility?



Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 01:25:02 pm
I don't.  But if Long wasn't the one mainly responsible then I hope that BOT member who wrote it is gone as well.  I just know if Long wasn't guilty or didn't play a huge hand in it he would still be around.

He is gone so maybe lighten up? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 01, 2018, 01:34:13 pm
I don't.  But if Long wasn't the one mainly responsible then I hope that BOT member who wrote it is gone as well.  I just know if Long wasn't guilty or didn't play a huge hand in it he would still be around.

Jeff Long wrote that contract himself. How do I know this? Because he is also my attorney.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Razorbackers on February 01, 2018, 01:34:32 pm
No, but the rubber stampers don't see the heat quite like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process.

You clearly have zero understanding of how contracts work if you think Long wrote Bielema's contract, or had the rubber stamp for it.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 01:36:18 pm
Jeff Long wrote that contract himself. How do I know this? Because he is also my attorney.

Bret? That you?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 01, 2018, 01:36:56 pm
Link that Jeff Long wrote the contract or initiated the process? How do you know a Board member or RF member didn't initiate it?

Why do you think it's a matter of who "initiated the contract"?  Isn't the issue the finalized contract/buyout?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 01:41:15 pm
Why do you think it's a matter of who "initiated the contract"?  Isn't the issue the finalized contract/buyout?

Read. It's good for you. OkieBack literally said "like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process." That's why I responded to him the way I did.

And sure, there's a chance Long did have the final say. I'm not disputing that. But I don't know for sure, so I'm not gonna state it as fact.

But if you don't realize how many channels that contract would have to go through before it got to him for the final say, then nothing on God's green earth can help you.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: OkieBack on February 01, 2018, 01:50:07 pm
Read. It's good for you. OkieBack literally said "like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process." That's why I responded to him the way I did.

And sure, there's a chance Long did have the final say. I'm not disputing that. But I don't know for sure, so I'm not gonna state it as fact.

But if you don't realize how many channels that contract would have to go through before it got to him for the final say, then nothing on God's green earth can help you.

No, I understand the lengthy process and the channels that are involved for contract approval.  AD's though are there for a reason and get paid for a reason.  I guess I would ask you if you are the expert, if Long didn't hold the bulk of the responsibility for putting that contract/buyout on the table for BB, then are you implying he was some type of scapegoat for others behind the scene?  Educate me.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on February 01, 2018, 01:52:56 pm
You clearly have zero understanding of how contracts work if you think Long wrote Bielema's contract, or had the rubber stamp for it.

Proven fact: Jeff Long is a writer/attorney in his spare time. He took time off from writing children's books about barnyard animals to write a 75 page contract by himself. Submitted it for approval, to himself. Approved it, by himself. Rubber stamped it, all alone. And gave it to Bielema and his attorneys to sign, all in one night.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hoghearted on February 01, 2018, 01:53:18 pm
Read. It's good for you. OkieBack literally said "like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process." That's why I responded to him the way I did.

And sure, there's a chance Long did have the final say. I'm not disputing that. But I don't know for sure, so I'm not gonna state it as fact.

But if you don't realize how many channels that contract would have to go through before it got to him for the final say, then nothing on God's green earth can help you.

Much has been made of who initiated it, was the prime mover, or who holds the most responsibility.

Just what is the normal process? Who initiates it? What channels does it go through? Who comes up with the figures? I know attorneys write the contracts, but they are given the parameters by the involved parties. Who, besides the coach and his agent, comes up with those numbers?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 01, 2018, 01:55:09 pm
No, I understand the lengthy process and the channels that are involved for contract approval.  AD's though are there for a reason and get paid for a reason.  I guess I would ask you if you are the expert, if Long didn't hold the bulk of the responsibility for putting that contract/buyout on the table for BB, then are you implying he was some type of scapegoat for others behind the scene?  Educate me.

I have no idea what happened, who initiated it, who it went through, how it went down, who had the final say.

Conventional wisdom would say that it went through several people and not just Jeff Long. So many on here seem to think that he was the sole actor in the whole debacle. I do not believe that is the case. If the BOT, the RF, and other PTB in the administration gave Long that much autonomy, then it's as much their fault as it is his.

Again, I have no idea what happened. But I also don't make statements and claim they are facts when I have no proof or substantial evidence to back it up. So much angst is with Long and Long alone, and my problem with that is those people seem to think he was the lone wolf. That's laughable, in my opinion.

The bottom line is this: It's over with. Long and Bielema are gone. Time to move on with our lives and quit griping about people who have no affiliation with the University of Arkansas.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 01:55:39 pm
No, I understand the lengthy process and the channels that are involved for contract approval.  AD's though are there for a reason and get paid for a reason.  I guess I would ask you if you are the expert, if Long didn't hold the bulk of the responsibility for putting that contract/buyout on the table for BB, then are you implying he was some type of scapegoat for others behind the scene?  Educate me.

It's certainly possible. Maybe he wouldn't fire Bielema and that coupled with the contract was his ending. We'll never know.

Why are you all worked up about a guy that is gone?  You signing his and Bret's checks?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 01, 2018, 01:55:57 pm
It will be interesting to see if Bielema includes those NFL offers he claimed to have already received in the report that he is required to submit to the Foundation every six months.

I don't remember reading them as official "offers". To me an offer is when you are told the job is yours and we are sending a contract to you to be signed. I believe it was discussions or inquiries. Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 01, 2018, 01:59:32 pm
Jeff Long wrote that contract himself. How do I know this? Because he is also my attorney.

Maybe you're kidding but I don't know of him being an attorney. I do know for a fact the Chairmen of the RF Board is an attorney and a great guy. I doubt ANY AD at any large college "writes" the contracts. They have other people for that.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: I Am Smart on February 01, 2018, 02:01:47 pm
Maybe you're kidding but I don't know of him being an attorney. I do know for a fact the Chairmen of the RF Board is an attorney and a great guy.

No way someone other than Long would have been involved. Especially one with a legal background(something that might be helpful when writing contracts)
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: OkieBack on February 01, 2018, 02:05:06 pm
It's certainly possible. Maybe he wouldn't fire Bielema and that coupled with the contract was his ending. We'll never know.

Why are you all worked up about a guy that is gone?  You signing his and Bret's checks?

I'll buy that.  I'm not really worked up so much as to better my understanding of Long's role.  I get Long had help getting that contract in place for BB.  But it does irk me that $11.935M is being paid to a coach who was mediocre at best.  But like its been said.  They are both gone.  Time to move on.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 01, 2018, 02:06:20 pm
No way someone other than Long would have been involved. Especially one with a legal background(something that might be helpful when writing contracts)

I'd win a bet of any amount of money on that not being true.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 01, 2018, 02:10:41 pm
I'd win a bet of any amount of money on that not being true.

I'd win a bet of any amount of money on him not being serious.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Razorbackers on February 01, 2018, 02:11:27 pm
Proven fact: Jeff Long is a writer/attorney in his spare time. He took time off from writing children's books about barnyard animals to write a 75 page contract by himself. Submitted it for approval, to himself. Approved it, by himself. Rubber stamped it, all alone. And gave it to Bielema and his attorneys to sign, all in one night.

RELEASE THE MEMO, JEFF
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 01, 2018, 02:15:12 pm
I'd win a bet of any amount of money on him not being serious.

Me too.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Busta_Nutt on February 01, 2018, 02:20:06 pm
Maybe you're kidding but I don't know of him being an attorney. I do know for a fact the Chairmen of the RF Board is an attorney and a great guy. I doubt ANY AD at any large college "writes" the contracts. They have other people for that.

He is. He wrote Bielema's contract. How do I know this? Because he is also my attorney.

http://www.braylong.com/attorneys/jeff-long/ (http://www.braylong.com/attorneys/jeff-long/)
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: EastexHawg on February 01, 2018, 02:20:36 pm
We were all lied to.  Long was for the first time taking heat for a number of things, including the performance of the major sports programs under his watch AND the one-sided buyout.  All of a sudden, a story emerges that the buyout isn't really so bad, less than $6 million.

There are no coincidences.  That wasn't a mistake or an omission, it was a lie.  If Long had kept his job and Bielema hadn't been fired it could have been covered up, or at least kept quiet long enough for Long to have a chance to weather the storm.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 01, 2018, 02:21:12 pm
He is. He wrote Bielema's contract. How do I know this? Because he is also my attorney.

http://www.braylong.com/attorneys/jeff-long/ (http://www.braylong.com/attorneys/jeff-long/)

HAHA! Good one! Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: rude1 on February 01, 2018, 04:19:54 pm
Do you still direct angst towards the guy or girl who broke up with you in high school or now that he or she is gone from your life you just move along?
If there are no lessons learned from this gross negligence, how confident are you going forward that the right decisions for the program will be made?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hogcards on February 02, 2018, 08:07:39 am
Read. It's good for you. OkieBack literally said "like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process." That's why I responded to him the way I did.

And sure, there's a chance Long did have the final say. I'm not disputing that. But I don't know for sure, so I'm not gonna state it as fact.

But if you don't realize how many channels that contract would have to go through before it got to him for the final say, then nothing on God's green earth can help you.

It's not I that "needs help".

Take care
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 11:34:15 am
If there are no lessons learned from this gross negligence, how confident are you going forward that the right decisions for the program will be made?

Depends.

I could say I'm extremely confident given that we have a new AD and new administration who will learn from the previous administration's mistakes.

Or, I could say I'm not confident at all if Long was the scapegoat of the BOT, the RF, and the other PTB who are still there and definitely had a say in the grossly large contract and extension.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on February 02, 2018, 03:19:31 pm
Depends.

I could say I'm extremely confident given that we have a new AD and new administration who will learn from the previous administration's mistakes.

Or, I could say I'm not confident at all if Long was the scapegoat of the BOT, the RF, and the other PTB who are still there and definitely had a say in the grossly large contract and extension.
Long was probably a scapegoat to a certain extent.  there is no way there aren't multiple levels of input and approvals to authorization a contract.

However, so far, I like the new guy.  sometimes a fresh perspective is good for a program.  with a new AD and a new HC, we are going to get just that.

the reality here is that when Long fired Petrino (likely without unanimous board support) that he tied his career at arkansas to who he chose to replace  him.  its not coincidence that both were fired at roughly the same time.

Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 02, 2018, 03:22:52 pm
Long was probably a scapegoat to a certain extent. there is no way there aren't multiple levels of input and approvals to authorization a contract.

However, so far, I like the new guy.  sometimes a fresh perspective is good for a program.  with a new AD and a new HC, we are going to get just that.

Strongly agree with both your points.

I just can't wrap my head around those posters who choose to blame Long and Long alone as though he had complete autonomy over the contract and extension talks. That's mind-boggling.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hog.goblin on February 02, 2018, 05:36:33 pm
I got roasted on here several months ago for saying the newspaper was wrong and told I didn’t understand contracts...
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 05:54:42 pm
I got roasted on here several months ago for saying the newspaper was wrong and told I didn’t understand contracts...

You don't understand contracts! Hell, all the newspaper did was run it past a couple of lawyers, that doesn't mean they know anything......
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: hog.goblin on February 02, 2018, 06:47:32 pm
You don't understand contracts! Hell, all the newspaper did was run it past a couple of lawyers, that doesn't mean they know anything......

I figured the attorneys were paid to give a certain opinion, not the expected result
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 06:57:28 pm
I figured the attorneys were paid to give a certain opinion, not the expected result

I mean, that's why we appoint them the SCOTUS.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Mike Irwin on February 02, 2018, 08:32:24 pm
Long was probably a scapegoat to a certain extent.  there is no way there aren't multiple levels of input and approvals to authorization a contract.

However, so far, I like the new guy.  sometimes a fresh perspective is good for a program.  with a new AD and a new HC, we are going to get just that.

the reality here is that when Long fired Petrino (likely without unanimous board support) that he tied his career at arkansas to who he chose to replace  him.  its not coincidence that both were fired at roughly the same time.
Not saying this is true and there is no way to FOI the Foundation to find out but those familiar with the BOT's complaints to Steinmetz (which resulted in Long being fired) say that Long encouraged the Foundation to offer an additional buyout for Bielema with the idea that it could be hidden.

They also say that Tommy Boyer somehow came across this information and presented it to the rest of the BOT along with some other things that were allegedly done through the Foundation that they (the BOT) did not know about until Boyer began digging.

Some will say who cares? I understand that. Long is gone and that's that. But what surprised me was that the BOT had for years ignored various complains about Long and suddenly, in the space of a few days, they pretty much told Steinmetz to fire Long or they would fire Steinmetz. I knew something must have happened besides the usual booster complaints because that stuff had never been taken seriously by the BOT.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: PorkSoda on February 02, 2018, 09:12:18 pm
Not saying this is true and there is no way to FOI the Foundation to find out but those familiar with the BOT's complaints to Steinmetz (which resulted in Long being fired) say that Long encouraged the Foundation to offer an additional buyout for Bielema with the idea that it could be hidden.

They also say that Tommy Boyer somehow came across this information and presented it to the rest of the BOT along with some other things that were allegedly done through the Foundation that they (the BOT) did not know about until Boyer began digging.

Some will say who cares? I understand that. Long is gone and that's that. But what surprised me was that the BOT had for years ignored various complains about Long and suddenly, in the space of a few days, they pretty much told Steinmetz to fire Long or they would fire Steinmetz. I knew something must have happened besides the usual booster complaints because that stuff had never been taken seriously by the BOT.
That would certainly be interesting, though it would cause me to ask what incentive Long had to both ask for and hide an additional buyout for CBB. 

did he really think someone would try to steal away a coach that had won 2 conference games in 2 years?  it seems the buy out was fairly one sided in that there was a significantly larger cost to fire him than for him to leave.  so again, I can't help but wonder what the incentive for Long to do so was.

I also feel like I'm missing something with the "extra buy out" theory.  I mean the buyout both before and after the extension was essentially the pro rating of his base salary for the remaining life of the contract.  so what about that involves a secondary by out?
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Mike Irwin on February 02, 2018, 09:45:26 pm
That would certainly be interesting, though it would cause me to ask what incentive Long had to both ask for and hide an additional buyout for CBB. 

did he really think someone would try to steal away a coach that had won 2 conference games in 2 years?  it seems the buy out was fairly one sided in that there was a significantly larger cost to fire him than for him to leave.  so again, I can't help but wonder what the incentive for Long to do so was.

I also feel like I'm missing something with the "extra buy out" theory.  I mean the buyout both before and after the extension was essentially the pro rating of his base salary for the remaining life of the contract.  so what about that involves a secondary by out?
That would be a good question to ask a BOT member although I was told they would not acknowledge why they did what they did. Officially Long was fired for convenience and supposedly that's what any of them would say to a reporter.

I did ask some of my sources why he was fired for convenience if he was actually fired for the reasons I was given. They said that if the BOT made public these reasons it would make them look bad for not properly supervising Long. Interesting but technically it's not the BOT's job to supervise the AD. It's the chancellor's responsibility.  He would be the one that would look bad and yet they never publicly criticized Steinmetz that I'm aware of.

There is a lot to this situation that we will likely never know for sure.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on February 02, 2018, 10:48:33 pm
And Steinmetz had only been around a short while, so not sure how fair it would have been to hold his feet to the fire.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on February 02, 2018, 10:55:40 pm
Not saying this is true and there is no way to FOI the Foundation to find out but those familiar with the BOT's complaints to Steinmetz (which resulted in Long being fired) say that Long encouraged the Foundation to offer an additional buyout for Bielema with the idea that it could be hidden.

They also say that Tommy Boyer somehow came across this information and presented it to the rest of the BOT along with some other things that were allegedly done through the Foundation that they (the BOT) did not know about until Boyer began digging.

Some will say who cares? I understand that. Long is gone and that's that. But what surprised me was that the BOT had for years ignored various complains about Long and suddenly, in the space of a few days, they pretty much told Steinmetz to fire Long or they would fire Steinmetz. I knew something must have happened besides the usual booster complaints because that stuff had never been taken seriously by the BOT.
It's also interesting how Tommy Boyer is always in the middle of things.
Not meant as a negative, I just think he is someone who is usually involved in a good way and has the UA's interests at heart.

He was the same guy who was on the basketball search committee in 2002 and who years later in an interview with Inside Razorback Athletics said in so many words that Bill Self could have been had at the time. It's one of those things that he couldn't have talked about in 2002 but years later felt comfortable discussing without feeling he was revealing 'secrets' or disclosing information. Of course we know the UA went in a different direction and it still pains me to this day.

Basically 2002 was the year Razorback basketball died. Instead of a 40-year run of Eddie Sutton, Nolan Richardson, and Bill Self, the UA went to Heath/Pelphrey/Anderson. It was a titanic mistake in 2002 and we're still suffering from it.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: EastexHawg on February 03, 2018, 01:01:46 am
Basically 2002 was the year Razorback basketball died. Instead of a 40-year run of Eddie Sutton, Nolan Richardson, and Bill Self, the UA went to Heath/Pelphrey/Anderson. It was a titanic mistake in 2002 and we're still suffering from it.

A decade from now the same will be said about 2012 and Razorback football.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Melancholy_Pigg on February 03, 2018, 02:53:28 am
Long as AD is entrusted by the University via the BOT with the authority to do what exactly when it comes to putting together the critical terms (ie, the structure of the contract as regards money, extension length, buyout) of an extension proposal to an existing coach?

I would think that Long likely got input from other administrators, BOT members and the Foundation and then...

Presented the extension to the BOT for approval prior to offering it to Bielema?   Is that - in general terms - what happens?

Long would be driving the process.  Surely he would be in the driver's seat.

Now if enough members of the BOT disagreed with Long's proposal, they could I assume reject it.  How the voting would work and how many BOT members it woukd take IDK.

But as the AD,  Long would make the initial decision on 1.whether to offer an extension at all, and 2. Long would decide how much of an economic commitment the University wanted to make with Bielema - he I assume is the guy putting together the deal to submit to the BOT for approval.

How often is the BOT going to outright reject what an AD is proposing?


If the above is more or less the process, then Long likely had a good bit of leeway within his judgment.

For instance, Long could have offered 6 mil or 8 mil or...15 mil and his proposal would get approved in the normal course of events.

I thus put the 15 million on Long.  He coukd have offered less.

As a P5 program, I would also argue that we are not helpless to the "market" in these situations. We are a part of the market.

Long could have low-balled Bielema.  Why not?  Was Bielema a hot commodity on the market?  No.  And furthermore, giving Bret Bielema a $15 million buyout in all likelihood did NOT help Bret Bielema's drive to be the best coach Bret Bielema could be. 

And finally - the fact that Long was NOT willing to fire Bielema after this most recent God-awful blundering of a season shows in all reasonableness that Long's judgment was clouded and he was not thinking in the best interests of the University and the program.

Long was implicitly looking out for Bielema's best interest.

I think the folks blaming Long and hoping to heck The Hill  learned something carry the argument.

And as for how the disclosure of the $15 mil was handked by Long - draw your own conclusions.

Notice that when all is said and done these two departed with a lot of money.  Bielema "somehow" is on his way to getting over $30 mil for winning 11 SEC games in 5 years.  Long did very nicely himself. 

And we had to pay both them AND find money to hire a new regime to try and clean-up the dumpster fire.

We got Carpet-Bagged. 
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: twistitup on February 03, 2018, 05:39:07 am
JLong -  complicit
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on February 03, 2018, 08:35:18 am
Not saying this is true and there is no way to FOI the Foundation to find out but those familiar with the BOT's complaints to Steinmetz (which resulted in Long being fired) say that Long encouraged the Foundation to offer an additional buyout for Bielema with the idea that it could be hidden.

They also say that Tommy Boyer somehow came across this information and presented it to the rest of the BOT along with some other things that were allegedly done through the Foundation that they (the BOT) did not know about until Boyer began digging.

Some will say who cares? I understand that. Long is gone and that's that. But what surprised me was that the BOT had for years ignored various complains about Long and suddenly, in the space of a few days, they pretty much told Steinmetz to fire Long or they would fire Steinmetz. I knew something must have happened besides the usual booster complaints because that stuff had never been taken seriously by the BOT.

It took Long, Gearhart, and Bobbitt on behalf of the BOT to sign the extension. The RF, Rochelle at the time, had to know about the financial terms of the extension, as they were on the hook for it. Was it sloppy work by lawyers, or as you say, intended, we'll never know, unless it's in those 20,000 emails that have been FOI'd.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Karma on February 03, 2018, 11:12:38 am
It took Long, Gearhart, and Bobbitt on behalf of the BOT to sign the extension. The RF, Rochelle at the time, had to know about the financial terms of the extension, as they were on the hook for it. Was it sloppy work by lawyers, or as you say, intended, we'll never know, unless it's in those 20,000 emails that have been FOI'd.
Under your theory, my LLC could buy Amazon too. I just need to find someone to give me enough money.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: rtr on February 03, 2018, 11:24:59 am
It took Long, Gearhart, and Bobbitt on behalf of the BOT to sign the extension. The RF, Rochelle at the time, had to know about the financial terms of the extension, as they were on the hook for it. Was it sloppy work by lawyers, or as you say, intended, we'll never know, unless it's in those 20,000 emails that have been FOI'd.
Oh, there is no question that there was a failure to oversee Jeff Long.  He was riding high or seemed to be. It has been disputed vehemently but Long's position seemed to have become slightly less secure when Gearhart left.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: ricepig on February 03, 2018, 11:29:12 am
Under your theory, my LLC could buy Amazon too. I just need to find someone to give me enough money.

That's the reason they call them leveraged buyouts.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: rtr on February 03, 2018, 11:33:12 am
That's the reason they call them leveraged buyouts.
I don't think it all that farfetched that Wal-Mart could take over Amazon.  It works the the other way around too.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Mike Irwin on February 03, 2018, 03:26:12 pm
It's also interesting how Tommy Boyer is always in the middle of things.
Not meant as a negative, I just think he is someone who is usually involved in a good way and has the UA's interests at heart.

He was the same guy who was on the basketball search committee in 2002 and who years later in an interview with Inside Razorback Athletics said in so many words that Bill Self could have been had at the time. It's one of those things that he couldn't have talked about in 2002 but years later felt comfortable discussing without feeling he was revealing 'secrets' or disclosing information. Of course we know the UA went in a different direction and it still pains me to this day.

Basically 2002 was the year Razorback basketball died. Instead of a 40-year run of Eddie Sutton, Nolan Richardson, and Bill Self, the UA went to Heath/Pelphrey/Anderson. It was a titanic mistake in 2002 and we're still suffering from it.
And he was right. Self was there for the taking. At the time he was making something like $800,000 a year at Illinois. Frank Offered him $1.33 million. That's because Nolan had been making $1.34 million and John White, who was terrified of Nolan's threatened lawsuit, told Frank he could not offer the new coach, if he was white, more than Nolan had been getting.

Illinois offered self 1.4 million to stay and White would not authorize Frank to go higher.

Now ask yourself, how different would Razorback basketball have been since 2002 if Bill Self had been the coach? This is just one of the reasons why I continue to say that John White did more damage to Razorback athletics that anybody ever employed at the U of A.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: rtr on February 03, 2018, 09:14:48 pm
And he was right. Self was there for the taking. At the time he was making something like $800,000 a year at Illinois. Frank Offered him $1.33 million. That's because Nolan had been making $1.34 million and John White, who was terrified of Nolan's threatened lawsuit, told Frank he could not offer the new coach, if he was white, more than Nolan had been getting.

Illinois offered self 1.4 million to stay and White would not authorize Frank to go higher.

Now ask yourself, how different would Razorback basketball have been since 2002 if Bill Self had been the coach? This is just one of the reasons why I continue to say that John White did more damage to Razorback athletics that anybody ever employed at the U of A.
You are so right.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 03, 2018, 09:35:26 pm
And he was right. Self was there for the taking. At the time he was making something like $800,000 a year at Illinois. Frank Offered him $1.33 million. That's because Nolan had been making $1.34 million and John White, who was terrified of Nolan's threatened lawsuit, told Frank he could not offer the new coach, if he was white, more than Nolan had been getting.

Illinois offered self 1.4 million to stay and White would not authorize Frank to go higher.

Now ask yourself, how different would Razorback basketball have been since 2002 if Bill Self had been the coach? This is just one of the reasons why I continue to say that John White did more damage to Razorback athletics that anybody ever employed at the U of A.

In the spirit of journalistic integrity -- and I'm serious Mike, I know you're one of the most respected media members covering the Razorbacks and I personally love reading your insights, but considering everything...that is the Petrino hiring and firing, the Bielema hiring and contract, the Anderson hiring, et al, could Arkansas athletics have done any better/done much different to change the landscape of where football and basketball are right now?

I understand if this post isn't answered. I just think it's worth asking a respected member of the media his thoughts on the situation and if Arkansas football/basketball would be better off. I personally hate hypotheticals, and I know that's what I'm posing here, but just throwing it out there. That's all.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on February 03, 2018, 11:40:59 pm
And he was right. Self was there for the taking. At the time he was making something like $800,000 a year at Illinois. Frank Offered him $1.33 million. That's because Nolan had been making $1.34 million and John White, who was terrified of Nolan's threatened lawsuit, told Frank he could not offer the new coach, if he was white, more than Nolan had been getting.

Illinois offered self 1.4 million to stay and White would not authorize Frank to go higher.

Now ask yourself, how different would Razorback basketball have been since 2002 if Bill Self had been the coach? This is just one of the reasons why I continue to say that John White did more damage to Razorback athletics that anybody ever employed at the U of A.
Have been saying the same thing forever, so no argument here.

Other than money, I think Self would have taken it, because he has ties to this part of the country, and his in-laws are around here as well. Plus, at the time, Arkansas would have been considered a better job. Everything tied together. I have no way of 'proving' it, but I have no doubt Self would have been here if things were allowed to run their course.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: rtr on February 03, 2018, 11:51:58 pm
In the spirit of journalistic integrity -- and I'm serious Mike, I know you're one of the most respected media members covering the Razorbacks and I personally love reading your insights, but considering everything...that is the Petrino hiring and firing, the Bielema hiring and contract, the Anderson hiring, et al, could Arkansas athletics have done any better/done much different to change the landscape of where football and basketball are right now?

I understand if this post isn't answered. I just think it's worth asking a respected member of the media his thoughts on the situation and if Arkansas football/basketball would be better off. I personally hate hypotheticals, and I know that's what I'm posing here, but just throwing it out there. That's all.
Good grief.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Jimbob111 on February 04, 2018, 12:20:05 am

well Trump and boys removed all the safeguards of that happening again, little as they were , so just stick around for a few years.  You will get a lesson in those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, not that it matters i guess.  Hawkings says we are a doomed planet--and he is a genius and as non political as you can get.  Won't matter to us but if you love your grandkids you might be a little worried.  Not that anyone wants to think about stuff like that, lol.


Dang, that took a dark turn...
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Jimbob111 on February 04, 2018, 03:51:15 am
Long as AD is entrusted by the University via the BOT with the authority to do what exactly when it comes to putting together the critical terms (ie, the structure of the contract as regards money, extension length, buyout) of an extension proposal to an existing coach?

I would think that Long likely got input from other administrators, BOT members and the Foundation and then...

Presented the extension to the BOT for approval prior to offering it to Bielema?   Is that - in general terms - what happens?

Long would be driving the process.  Surely he would be in the driver's seat.

Now if enough members of the BOT disagreed with Long's proposal, they could I assume reject it.  How the voting would work and how many BOT members it woukd take IDK.

But as the AD,  Long would make the initial decision on 1.whether to offer an extension at all, and 2. Long would decide how much of an economic commitment the University wanted to make with Bielema - he I assume is the guy putting together the deal to submit to the BOT for approval.

How often is the BOT going to outright reject what an AD is proposing?


If the above is more or less the process, then Long likely had a good bit of leeway within his judgment.

For instance, Long could have offered 6 mil or 8 mil or...15 mil and his proposal would get approved in the normal course of events.

I thus put the 15 million on Long.  He coukd have offered less.

As a P5 program, I would also argue that we are not helpless to the "market" in these situations. We are a part of the market.

Long could have low-balled Bielema.  Why not?  Was Bielema a hot commodity on the market?  No.  And furthermore, giving Bret Bielema a $15 million buyout in all likelihood did NOT help Bret Bielema's drive to be the best coach Bret Bielema could be. 

And finally - the fact that Long was NOT willing to fire Bielema after this most recent God-awful blundering of a season shows in all reasonableness that Long's judgment was clouded and he was not thinking in the best interests of the University and the program.

Long was implicitly looking out for Bielema's best interest.

I think the folks blaming Long and hoping to heck The Hill  learned something carry the argument.

And as for how the disclosure of the $15 mil was handked by Long - draw your own conclusions.

Notice that when all is said and done these two departed with a lot of money.  Bielema "somehow" is on his way to getting over $30 mil for winning 11 SEC games in 5 years.  Long did very nicely himself. 

And we had to pay both them AND find money to hire a new regime to try and clean-up the dumpster fire.

We got Carpet-Bagged. 

I find no fault with this argument. I don't know what Long's rationale was but the only thing that makes sense is that at the end of the day, all he did was make both him and Bielema a ton of money.

At a minimum, due diligence and fiduciary competence should have kept both of them from collecting any large payouts and yet, they did. Both of them rode off into the sunset with bags of cash painted Razorback red.

So, who was minding the store when it was robbed? Strangely, other than Long and Bielema's crew, I didn't hear about any other notable firings.

Weird how that works.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: rtr on February 04, 2018, 08:36:18 am
I find no fault with this argument. I don't know what Long's rationale was but the only thing that makes sense is that at the end of the day, all he did was make both him and Bielema a ton of money.

At a minimum, due diligence and fiduciary competence should have kept both of them from collecting any large payouts and yet, they did. Both of them rode off into the sunset with bags of cash painted Razorback red.

So, who was minding the store when it was robbed? Strangely, other than Long and Bielema's crew, I didn't hear about any other notable firings.

Weird how that works.
Gearhart is no longer Chancellor.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Mike Irwin on February 04, 2018, 01:36:47 pm
In the spirit of journalistic integrity -- and I'm serious Mike, I know you're one of the most respected media members covering the Razorbacks and I personally love reading your insights, but considering everything...that is the Petrino hiring and firing, the Bielema hiring and contract, the Anderson hiring, et al, could Arkansas athletics have done any better/done much different to change the landscape of where football and basketball are right now?

I understand if this post isn't answered. I just think it's worth asking a respected member of the media his thoughts on the situation and if Arkansas football/basketball would be better off. I personally hate hypotheticals, and I know that's what I'm posing here, but just throwing it out there. That's all.
You don't think having Bill Self in charge of the basketball program would have produced better results than Stan Heath, John Pelphrey and Mike Anderson? The unknown is how long Self would have stayed but if he were winning the SEC and competing for national titles like Nolan was I can't see why he would leave given his ties to the area.

Then there is Tom Tuberville vs Houston Nutt because White did the same thing in football. I know that some of you think Nutt did just fine considering the struggles of Bret Bielema. Well Tuberville knew the SEC. He had won at Ole Miss. He went on to win at Auburn including an undefeated team that was bypassed for the NC. But the main thing I know about Tuberville is that he wasn't stupid enough to be jealous of his own players and go around spreading rumors about them. All that bat crap crazy nonsense in 06 would have never happened under Tuberville.

Not that many here give a flip about women's hoops but White ran off Gary Blair in favor of Susie Gardner. Blair won a national title at A&M. Gardner put Arkansas women's basketball in the toilet.

Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: oldhawg on February 04, 2018, 05:21:41 pm
... could Arkansas athletics have done any better/done much different to change the landscape of where football and basketball are right now?


Well, if we are speculating and wishing -----

Once Frank Broyles engineered Arkansas's entrance into the SEC, I would have liked to have seen him hire Terry Don Phillips as athletic director as he (Broyles) announced his retirement and became Athletic Director Emeritus.   

IMO if that had happened, the state of Razorback athletics would be much better today.
Title: Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
Post by: Melancholy_Pigg on February 05, 2018, 07:53:40 pm
I find no fault with this argument. I don't know what Long's rationale was but the only thing that makes sense is that at the end of the day, all he did was make both him and Bielema a ton of money.

At a minimum, due diligence and fiduciary competence should have kept both of them from collecting any large payouts and yet, they did. Both of them rode off into the sunset with bags of cash painted Razorback red.

So, who was minding the store when it was robbed? Strangely, other than Long and Bielema's crew, I didn't hear about any other notable firings.

Weird how that works.

Thank you for the response.  My apologies for the length and I did not say anything new.  I just tried to break it down.

You summed it up nicely - due diligence & fiduciary competence - where were they?

Sounds like the new AD has a different theory.  Man I just hope we got a guy motivated to win and bring back the excitement - at least be competitive.

Go Hogs!