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RB Sports Discussion => Monday Morning Quarterback => Topic started by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on December 12, 2017, 12:18:36 pm

Title: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on December 12, 2017, 12:18:36 pm
Metal for the lower bowl is being put in place and walls are being put together below the NEZ score board. Not sure what else has to be done on the back side other than constructing the walls.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: DuckTalesLOL on December 12, 2017, 12:44:20 pm
That gap still bugs me.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: elksnort on December 12, 2017, 12:45:50 pm
That gap still bugs me.
I can see why you might feel this way. I will say that I like the asymmetrical approach here. Plus it allows some air flow and view.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Michael D Huff AIA on December 12, 2017, 12:51:55 pm
As a designer of buildings, I can say from experience that most of the general public likes things that are symmetrical.  It's just one of those things.  We all have a little ADD in us. 

I personally don't like the open air standing room only area.  If there is some tradition we want to honor by leaving the side open so freeloaders on the hill can look down into the stadium, so be it, but it seems like wasted real estate if we can't fill up the inside of the stadium first.

Next phase should involve some work on the west side.  Not a lot of room to work with being right up against Razorback Rd. and all. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on December 12, 2017, 12:53:46 pm
As a designer of buildings, I can say from experience that most of the general public likes things that are symmetrical.  It's just one of those things.  We all have a little ADD in us. 

I personally don't like the open air standing room only area.  If there is some tradition we want to honor by leaving the side open so freeloaders on the hill can look down into the stadium, so be it, but it seems like wasted real estate if we can't fill up the inside of the stadium first.

Next phase should involve some work on the west side.  Not a lot of room to work with being right up against Razorback Rd. and all. 

That's why it hasn't been done yet. Things have to be done about the road before it can happen.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: snf6278 on December 12, 2017, 12:55:35 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing a wall of honor put there. Have the retired jerseys and names of Razorback greats.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Dillon23 on December 12, 2017, 12:56:28 pm
I hate it too, but I get smited everytime I mention it.  It looks like we ran out of money.  The only reason that is considered a "tradition" is because we didn't have a complete stadium.  Kinda like my dads old truck had a tradition of rolling down the windows when it was hot. The tradition went away when he finally bought one with a/c.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Michael D Huff AIA on December 12, 2017, 12:57:20 pm
I hate it too, but I get smited everytime I mention it.  It looks like we ran out of money.  The only reason that is considered a "tradition" is because we didn't have a complete stadium.  Kinda like my dads old truck had a tradition of rolling down the windows when it was hot. The tradition went away when he finally bought one with a/c.

This is funny, I don't care who you are.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: elksnort on December 12, 2017, 01:01:37 pm
One thing about this board, you will find alternative opinions at any and all times.

The asymmetrical look is fine in my eyes. Gillette stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts has the same deal. And I would imagine there others.

What is with the free loader comment?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: JONAS on December 12, 2017, 01:02:20 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing a wall of honor put there. Have the retired jerseys and names of Razorback greats.

That would be cool.  Could also have conference championship banners and bowl banners as well.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on December 12, 2017, 01:10:20 pm
That gap still bugs me.
It will look much better once the columns/gate behind it are finished. Having a crowd standing there will probably add another dimension as well
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OnYourToes on December 12, 2017, 01:16:58 pm
I just keep thinking of how loud this place will be when it is finished.

DWRRS is a loud stadium, but closing in that endzone and adding more bodies will make it all the more louder.

Can't wait to see and hear it!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: go hogues on December 12, 2017, 03:05:34 pm
The gap was sold as tradition. The actual reason is that it’s less seats that would have to be built and then be empty.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on December 12, 2017, 03:11:52 pm
In my experience the best way to judge/critique a project like this is before it's finished.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on December 12, 2017, 03:13:13 pm
Thanks for bringing this thread back Boss Hog!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: jkstock04 on December 12, 2017, 03:16:19 pm
I hate it too, but I get smited everytime I mention it.  It looks like we ran out of money.  The only reason that is considered a "tradition" is because we didn't have a complete stadium.  Kinda like my dads old truck had a tradition of rolling down the windows when it was hot. The tradition went away when he finally bought one with a/c.
Literally lol’ed here.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on December 12, 2017, 03:16:53 pm
One thought on the gap. I don’t think it would stick out nearly as much if Fayetteville was flat, and ground level was equal all the way around the stadium. Stadium would look bigger and that end would look more properly rounded.

The gap does bug me a bit from higher perspective shots inside. But from field level shots or shots outside the stadium I like it.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: pigz on December 12, 2017, 03:18:05 pm
The gap was sold as tradition. The actual reason is that it’s less seats that would have to be built and then be empty.
It's going to be the beer garden
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: porkbellys on December 12, 2017, 03:20:18 pm
From the look of it, i dont think the field will be visible from outside the gates of the stadium. That was the tradition not just the gap. Seeing the field and razorback on the field was the attraction. Now all you see is a concrete slab.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: jst01 on December 12, 2017, 03:22:45 pm
The only thing that gap should be used for is some kind of monument garden.  Statues and monuments of past teams/championships etc. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Cotton on December 12, 2017, 03:28:51 pm
I hate it too, but I get smited everytime I mention it.  It looks like we ran out of money.  The only reason that is considered a "tradition" is because we didn't have a complete stadium.  Kinda like my dads old truck had a tradition of rolling down the windows when it was hot. The tradition went away when he finally bought one with a/c.
+1 Post of the day lol
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: geauxhawgs on December 12, 2017, 04:16:30 pm
I hate it too, but I get smited everytime I mention it.  It looks like we ran out of money.  The only reason that is considered a "tradition" is because we didn't have a complete stadium.  Kinda like my dads old truck had a tradition of rolling down the windows when it was hot. The tradition went away when he finally bought one with a/c.

This is awesome lol
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 12, 2017, 04:25:36 pm
It's going to be the beer garden
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on December 12, 2017, 04:28:22 pm
The opening is going to be more like the Browns than the Pats.  Cleveland's stadium is somewhat asymmetrical as well but the seats in the lower level wrap all the way around and go to the sidelines in the upper level.  Our seats in the lower levels will wrap around completely.  The open part is above these.  It will look better once finished. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hog N Bama on December 12, 2017, 04:30:12 pm
The only thing that gap should be used for is some kind of monument garden.  Statues and monuments of past teams/championships etc.
But, But, people want to buy tickets to stand up 3.5 hours  :puke: another Jeff Long idea  :puke:
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bvillepig on December 12, 2017, 04:31:31 pm
That would be cool.  Could also have conference championship banners and bowl banners as well.

Great Idea.   

I could see flag poles with replicas of jerseys on flags and flags with our championships waving in the wind on that corner.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on December 12, 2017, 04:32:22 pm
But, But, people want to buy tickets to stand up 3.5 hours  :puke: another Jeff Long idea  :puke:

Start averaging 8 wins a season again and you will see standing room only again for games like Bama, AU, LSU and ND. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 12, 2017, 04:35:27 pm
But, But, people want to buy tickets to stand up 3.5 hours  :puke: another Jeff Long idea  :puke:

They do at AT+T..........with drinks in hand.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: JONAS on December 12, 2017, 04:50:48 pm
Great Idea.   

I could see flag poles with replicas of jerseys on flags and flags with our championships waving in the wind on that corner.

We at least have a national championship along with some SWC championships and SEC Western Division championships.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: tusked on December 12, 2017, 04:57:33 pm

Fill in the gap and put a strip club on top of it.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: 12247 on December 12, 2017, 04:58:27 pm
Someday, that area will likely be filled in with more seating to complete the oval.  Right now, we could do the flag thing and showcase the proud tradition of the Hogs.  Biggest problem there is vacant area for the past 25 to 30 years. 

It is difficult to understand if you are 45 years old or younger, but Arkansas spent time with the upper crust in the olden days of back then.  We were unhappy outside the top 15 annually.  We expected to win 8, 9 or 10 a lot back when 10 games was the regular season.  There were 4 big bowls back then and we were often in one of those meaning we were likely ranked 8th or above before losing the bowl and falling to a final ranking of maybe 12th to 15th.  Special players exhibits could be placed there also.

I think our first major goal would be to win 8 annually.  When that is accomplished, shoot for a Jan 1 Bowl 2 times over 5 years.  This program can do so much better than we have been programmed to believe.  It will not be easy and many more changes may be necessary, but if upper management will do their part, we won't have the Jeff Long/Bret Bielema 5 year dead spots which actually take 8 to 12 years total to overcome. The reasons for our decline are actually at the feet of folks above the AD and its been that way for 30+ years.  When you place folks in demanding and high end positions and they do not produce, you cannot expect much from the AD on down. 

NCAA Football at the P5 level is huge business and you don't let anyone, NOT ANYONE, damage that business for very long.  Not only has Arkansas been hiring wrong, they've been harboring long too. No pun intended. 

In any business at any level, it is not that you won't make mistakes because everyone will.  It is how you handle those mistakes that make you special.  We are not special.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on December 12, 2017, 04:58:37 pm
I hate it too, but I get smited everytime I mention it.  It looks like we ran out of money.  The only reason that is considered a "tradition" is because we didn't have a complete stadium.  Kinda like my dads old truck had a tradition of rolling down the windows when it was hot. The tradition went away when he finally bought one with a/c.

When I was a young kid we didn't have a car with air conditioning. My Dad would say "we have 4/40 AC. 4 windows down and forty miles per hour."
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: pigz on December 12, 2017, 04:59:14 pm
When I was a young kid we didn't have a car with air conditioning. My Dad would say "we have 4/40 AC. 4 windows down and forty miles per hour."
That was great when they had the little triangle windows you could flip around
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on December 12, 2017, 05:02:38 pm
They do at AT+T..........with drinks in hand.

I believe Lambeau has it as well as does Levi's Stadium for the niners. Some baseball stadiums have it also. I know it was common in soccer stadiums at one time.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on December 12, 2017, 05:02:58 pm
That was great when they had the little triangle windows you could flip around

Loved those!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hogtrillian on December 12, 2017, 05:04:47 pm
Did the football program have a major donor this time around of renovations? Enough to rename the stadium?

I only ask because in 2001, the DWR foundation gave 20 million and hence the name. I was just wondering if someone or some entity had ponied up a similar amount.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: JONAS on December 12, 2017, 05:07:25 pm
That was great when they had the little triangle windows you could flip around

Those were awesome.  I had a 1979 F150 that had those.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on December 13, 2017, 01:31:48 pm
One thing about it, when the DWRRS expansion is finished, it will have more indoor seating than any college football stadium in the nation. Heck, there are some Pro football stadiums that will have less indoor seating than DWRRS will.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: The_Iceman on December 13, 2017, 01:37:10 pm
The "gap" is going to become the new main entrance to the stadium. There will be a lot of congregating there. I've heard some pretty good ideas from some people in the Foundation about what else they will do up there.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on December 13, 2017, 01:42:03 pm
That's why it hasn't been done yet. Things have to be done about the road before it can happen.

Build over the road and make a freaking tunnel with a drop off area out of the weather...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on December 13, 2017, 01:52:50 pm
Build over the road and make a freaking tunnel with a drop off area out of the weather...

One Idea I've heard is to lower the incline of Razorback Road starting just past the intersection at the end of the track field so that around the stadium it would be 15 feet lower then build a tunnel and expand the west side on top of it.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: TM Hog on December 13, 2017, 01:57:47 pm
That gap still bugs me.

LOL - in about 10 years we will be announcing a $200 million expansion project to fill the gap.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on December 13, 2017, 02:21:00 pm
LOL - in about 10 years we will be announcing a $200 million expansion project to fill the gap.

My guess is the next DWRRS project on tap will be Improving the West side of the stadium.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: MTBrookHog on December 13, 2017, 03:05:50 pm
That would be cool.  Could also have conference championship banners and bowl banners as well.
I always thought that would look good in the corners of the south endzone on the two columns.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: East Clintwood on December 13, 2017, 03:15:02 pm
I just keep thinking of how loud this place will be when it is finished.

DWRRS is a loud stadium, but closing in that endzone and adding more bodies will make it all the more louder.

Can't wait to see and hear it!


It won't be that loud. 

Most of the sound will escape through that darned gap.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: emdavenp on December 13, 2017, 03:17:47 pm
I believe Lambeau has it as well. some baseball stadiums have it also. I know it was common in soccer stadiums at one time.

The Jaguars have it at Everbank Field. The cool thing is that it basically starts where one end zone ends. It is very close to the action.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Wild Bill Hog on December 13, 2017, 03:26:24 pm
The "gap" is going to become the new main entrance to the stadium. There will be a lot of congregating there. I've heard some pretty good ideas from some people in the Foundation about what else they will do up there.

Sounds good.  I was afraid Jeffie was going for a plaza to put his and Bert's statues on.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: FraggleHog on December 13, 2017, 03:32:00 pm

It won't be that loud. 

Most of the sound will escape through that darned gap.

DWRRS is already one of the loudest stadiums in the SEC. What makes you think it won't be louder?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OnYourToes on December 13, 2017, 03:32:45 pm

It won't be that loud. 

Most of the sound will escape through that darned gap.

This is what is known as a perfect comment.
Well done sir!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: buldozer on December 13, 2017, 03:48:28 pm
As a designer of buildings, I can say from experience that most of the general public likes things that are symmetrical.  It's just one of those things.  We all have a little ADD in us. 

I personally don't like the open air standing room only area.  If there is some tradition we want to honor by leaving the side open so freeloaders on the hill can look down into the stadium, so be it, but it seems like wasted real estate if we can't fill up the inside of the stadium first.
You would have been satisfied in short order if JL had of stayed I'm sure. In just a couple years, he prolly would have plugged that hole with a $200M expansion of corporate suites..... in order to eliminate the freeloaders
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: brenthog on December 13, 2017, 04:33:36 pm

It won't be that loud. 

Most of the sound will escape through that darned gap.

Have you sat in the stadium? I am not a huge fan of it, but the gap is not at field level. The noise at the field level won’t escape.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on December 13, 2017, 04:46:40 pm
But, But, people want to buy tickets to stand up 3.5 hours  :puke: another Jeff Long idea  :puke:

That’s my jam
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Tejano Jawg on December 13, 2017, 04:55:43 pm

It won't be that loud. 

Most of the sound will escape through that darned gap.

I'm no acoustic engineer. Is that how sound works?…it runs out through a hole like if you punctured a water balloon?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: HogFaninMemphis on December 13, 2017, 05:00:01 pm
I'm no acoustic engineer. Is that how sound works?…it runs out through a hole like if you punctured a water balloon?
Hey, don't start arguing logic and facts on here.
Obviously some sound will escape through the hole, but also clearly more sound will be trapped than before.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoldCoastHog on December 13, 2017, 07:34:28 pm
The gap was sold as tradition. The actual reason is that it’s less seats that would have to be built and then be empty.

This sounds eerily familiar. A more intense arguement was made in 2000 when we expanded then. Lots of folks thought we could never fill a 72k seating stadium back then. Some things just never change.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Freebrd on December 13, 2017, 07:40:05 pm
I'm no acoustic engineer. Is that how sound works?…it runs out through a hole like if you punctured a water balloon?


I was taught that sound travels downhill.  i.e.  a house below highway level will get more road noise than one above the highway level.  The north end is slightly uphill.  Hence some sound would have been lost but I contend it would be insignificant for the cost it took to build.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneLardAlmighty on December 13, 2017, 08:05:31 pm
The gap was sold as tradition. The actual reason is that it’s less seats that would have to be built and then be empty.

This is just silly.  The stadium could have been configured any number of ways, for example without 5 levels of seating, if the goal were simply to keep seats to a minimum.  Love it or hate it, the point of the 'gap' is obvious to anyone who has ever topped the hill on Maple and looked with awe down in to the valley below to read "Home of the Razorbacks" on the west side press box.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Mikey on December 13, 2017, 08:14:11 pm
Love it or hate it, the point of the 'gap' is obvious to anyone who has ever topped the hill on Maple and looked with awe down in to the valley below to read "Home of the Razorbacks" on the west side press box.

That's true, and that's why I like the gap.  It's great to be able to get a pretty good view inside the stadium from out there.  Makes for a good picture backdrop too.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: SooieGeneris on December 13, 2017, 08:40:52 pm
I hate it too, but I get smited everytime I mention it.  It looks like we ran out of money.  The only reason that is considered a "tradition" is because we didn't have a complete stadium.  Kinda like my dads old truck had a tradition of rolling down the windows when it was hot. The tradition went away when he finally bought one with a/c.

I agree. +1
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bigred223 on December 13, 2017, 08:52:29 pm
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What is with the free loader comment?
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Haha seriously people get fired up about anything.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: nwahogfan1 on December 14, 2017, 07:24:10 am
I admit it looks incomplete.  Hopefully they designed it so they can fill the gap with more luxury seats if they need to.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on December 14, 2017, 07:38:49 am
Have you sat in the stadium? I am not a huge fan of it, but the gap is not at field level. The noise at the field level won’t escape.

Exactly. The lower Bowl will be completely enclosed.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneLardAlmighty on December 14, 2017, 07:47:45 am
I admit it looks incomplete.  Hopefully they designed it so they can fill the gap with more luxury seats if they need to.

Of course one of the reasons it looks incomplete is because it is incomplete.  Gap or no gap, it's gonna look great when finished, especially from other perspectives besides those given by the construction cameras.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on December 27, 2017, 09:14:23 am
12-27 Update:
- Construction of the lower bowl is continuing at a steady pace. The frame appears to be about halfway complete

- The frame of the NEZ itself seems to be complete as "walls" are being constructed.

- a new set of stairs can now be seen on the right side of the NEZ (interior)

- concrete is being installed on the NEZ exterior columns
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AP85 on December 27, 2017, 09:33:55 am
How intimidating.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Tweeter on December 27, 2017, 09:50:01 am
any chance they could just keep rolling that turf up and replace it with GRASS!!!!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 09:52:58 am
any chance they could just keep rolling that turf up and replace it with GRASS!!!!

Yep, new astro grass, unfortunately.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hawg2afault on December 27, 2017, 10:04:52 am
What are we going to nickname that area, Hogville?  I see the term "Gap" used frequently and since we farmers worked to keep the gap closed in order to keep the hogs from getting in and tearing up everything in sight, lets come up with something that incorporates "Gap,"  "Fence gap" isn't very creative so what say you?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boog41 on December 27, 2017, 10:05:33 am
Yep, new astro grass, unfortunately.

I think everyone would prefer natural grass, probably players included, but the artificial stuff lets them practice in the stadium if they want. It used to look pretty rough by the time November rolled around.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on December 27, 2017, 10:08:57 am
I think everyone would prefer natural grass, probably players included, but the artificial stuff lets them practice in the stadium if they want. It used to look pretty rough by the time November rolled around.

Two outdoor practice fields, one grass and one artificial turf and another indoor field means it isn't necessary to practice inside the stadium. Some coaches do sometimes though I don't know how Chad feels about it.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hoggish1 on December 27, 2017, 10:10:24 am
That gap still bugs me.

Yep.  Long's legacy...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hoggish1 on December 27, 2017, 10:11:30 am
I can see why you might feel this way. I will say that I like the asymmetrical approach here. Plus it allows some air flow and view.

Let's sound escape. Not a good idea...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 10:11:35 am
Two outdoor practice fields, one grass and one artificial turf and another indoor field means it isn't necessary to practice inside the stadium. Some coaches do sometimes though I don't know how Chad feels about it.

You definitely want to practice some where you are going to play games. I'm sure there are multiple factors involved in the decision on grass vs turf.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on December 27, 2017, 10:13:27 am
Let's sound escape. Not a good idea...

Since the lower bowl will be completely enclosed, very, very little sound will escape.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on December 27, 2017, 10:13:52 am
any chance they could just keep rolling that turf up and replace it with GRASS!!!!
Unless I'm horribly mistaken, they aren't rolling the astroturf back, they are just covering it with something like a tarp.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hoggish1 on December 27, 2017, 10:16:58 am
But, But, people want to buy tickets to stand up 3.5 hours  :puke: another Jeff Long idea  :puke:

Jeff Long's ideas.  LMAO
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Mike Irwin on December 27, 2017, 10:21:33 am
I think everyone would prefer natural grass, probably players included, but the artificial stuff lets them practice in the stadium if they want. It used to look pretty rough by the time November rolled around.
Several years ago the grass guy for the athletic department told me that the height of the south enzone skyboxes blocks the sun in the south goal line area in the last few weeks of the season. Back when the field was natural grass it caused problems with that part of the field.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boog41 on December 27, 2017, 10:25:38 am
Two outdoor practice fields, one grass and one artificial turf and another indoor field means it isn't necessary to practice inside the stadium. Some coaches do sometimes though I don't know how Chad feels about it.

Depth perception is very different inside a stadium, so some practice on the game field is a must for any team. Doesn't affect linemen, but receivers and quarterbacks it does. Even the crown of the field can be a little different and needs to be practiced on. I forget where it was, LSU maybe, but Mallett said the crown was higher and that caused him to over throw some wide out passes till he adjusted to it.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 10:29:58 am
Jeff Long's ideas.  LMAO

Link?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on December 27, 2017, 10:32:17 am
Depth perception is very different inside a stadium, so some practice on the game field is a must for any team. Doesn't affect linemen, but receivers and quarterbacks it does. Even the crown of the field can be a little different and needs to be practiced on. I forget where it was, LSU maybe, but Mallett said the crown was higher and that caused him to over throw some wide out passes till he adjusted to it.

That's one reason I've heard coaches give for practicing sometimes inside the stadium. Some think it helps. I'll let the coaches decide.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 10:32:29 am
Unless I'm horribly mistaken, they aren't rolling the astroturf back, they are just covering it with something like a tarp.

They put down the same type pads they've used for trucks to drive in behind the visitor's bench. The turf is scheduled to be replaced this summer, it's 10 years old.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Possible Oatmeal on December 27, 2017, 10:45:13 am
Let's sound escape. Not a good idea...

That's not how sound works.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on December 27, 2017, 10:58:44 am
They put down the same type pads they've used for trucks to drive in behind the visitor's bench. The turf is scheduled to be replaced this summer, it's 10 years old.
Look at the northwest corner of the field, past the tarp covered area and you can see more astroturf. It hasn't been rolled up, just covered
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hayden1865 on December 27, 2017, 11:27:18 am
Jeff Long's ideas.  LMAO
I love the idea of SRO tickets. Cheaper tickets and I won't be yelled at to sit down by the blue hairs. I know its not for everyone but plenty of people will buy these.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 11:28:05 am
I love the idea of SRO tickets. Cheaper tickets and I won't be yelled at to sit down by the blue hairs. I know its not for everyone but plenty of people will buy these.

Especially if it's a beer garden!!!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hayden1865 on December 27, 2017, 11:33:27 am
Especially if it's a beer garden!!!
Amen, even if not im all in on saving a few bucks and not getting grief for standing the whole game.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AP85 on December 27, 2017, 11:35:55 am
I love the idea of SRO tickets. Cheaper tickets and I won't be yelled at to sit down by the blue hairs. I know its not for everyone but plenty of people will buy these.

Man. People that get annoyed because you’re standing up watching a game irritates me.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hog Fan...DOH! on December 27, 2017, 11:42:50 am
I love the idea of SRO tickets. Cheaper tickets and I won't be yelled at to sit down by the blue hairs. I know its not for everyone but plenty of people will buy these.

They're not cheap (at all), but that's why those loge boxes will be great, too.  You can set up your family and friends in there, and not worry about standing up, sitting down, moving around, or whatever. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on December 27, 2017, 11:56:55 am
They're not cheap (at all), but that's why those loge boxes will be great, too.  You can set up your family and friends in there, and not worry about standing up, sitting down, moving around, or whatever.
If the DWR SRO takes after the SRO in jerry world, it actually will be a bit cheaper
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 11:58:59 am
If the DWR SRO takes after the SRO in jerry world, it actually will be a bit cheaper

I've heard $15 or so?? Of course, you could have had a seat at several games for under that this year.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ChopSooie on December 27, 2017, 12:40:09 pm
The gap if established properly, will allow for a cool look in and viewpoint for Gameday or the SEC show. We do need a statue or some type of omage.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Falco on December 27, 2017, 01:14:27 pm
New to HV but have a bud in the AD. Hasn’t been the greatest source for the DC search but has been spot on with the NEZ. The gap and roof deck have something in common few of you have considered.



Rise Up
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 01:26:11 pm
New to HV but have a bud in the AD. Hasn’t been the greatest source for the DC search but has been spot on with the NEZ. The gap and roof deck have something in common few of you have considered.



Rise Up

Which is?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: HighcountryHog on December 27, 2017, 01:28:43 pm
Man. People that get annoyed because you’re standing up watching a game irritates me.

If you sit down to watch the game then you're doing it wrong.  Only time that's acceptable is if you're at home watching on TV.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: goodguytex on December 27, 2017, 01:54:58 pm
I love the idea of SRO tickets. Cheaper tickets and I won't be yelled at to sit down by the blue hairs. I know its not for everyone but plenty of people will buy these.
I'll be one glad to get an SRO ticket. I'm right at 6 3 and a pretty big guy anyway, when I sit down my knees are often poking a fan in their back or something.

Besides, if you want to sit the whole game, stay at home. I went to the hog/Tennessee game in 2011... I was doing my thing, on my feet, hollering when on defense, standing up for the team... Then this man in the seat behind me got ticked at me, asked me to sit down elapse his little girl couldn't see the game because I was standing the whole time.

So I accommodated his family. Glad to. But still, fan is short for fantastic. You go to the game to be a fantastic... To try to help your team win... Be the 12th man or woman. Make a difference.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Oklahawg on December 27, 2017, 02:24:02 pm
The deck gives you tailgating or staging opportunities. Also, could that be where the team stages before running through the "A"?

What is sad, and we are only 30 years late on this one: have the gap be to the south so you can see the mountains. Some will remember the original argument against the SEZ was that it would obstruct the view of the mountains, something the original donor of the grounds was adamant about.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: cityhog on December 27, 2017, 02:41:32 pm
A Colosseum to mediocrity. Kind of like an Escalade parked in front of a mobile home.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Falco on December 27, 2017, 02:58:02 pm
Which is?


The ability for this thread to be revived by our grandkids.



Rise Up
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 03:28:01 pm

The ability for this thread to be revived by our grandkids.



Rise Up

Only if the Russkies don't ransomware it, and Landy refuse to pay......
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: sowmonella on December 27, 2017, 04:06:36 pm
Several years ago the grass guy for the athletic department told me that the height of the south enzone skyboxes blocks the sun in the south goal line area in the last few weeks of the season. Back when the field was natural grass it caused problems with that part of the field.

Mike, your taking away an excuse for some to bitch and moan. No common sense or facts allowed.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on December 27, 2017, 04:19:28 pm
Mike, your taking away an excuse for some to bitch and moan. No common sense or facts allowed.

Well, actually there is the area for the upper deck on top of the SEZ suites, so there's that, lol. I though fieldturf said they could still grow grass there, newer varieties?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: pigture perfect on December 27, 2017, 04:48:49 pm
Maybe we could fill the gap by making a large space for Tusk and his herd to roam during the game instead of just his trailer.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Con el Cerdos on December 27, 2017, 05:36:53 pm
From the look of it, i dont think the field will be visible from outside the gates of the stadium. That was the tradition not just the gap. Seeing the field and razorback on the field was the attraction. Now all you see is a concrete slab.

It's not fully viewable from the "opening."  I've thought that since I saw the concrete floor in that area.  One of Long's last "gotchas" to Arkansas students and fans. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: PonderinHog on December 27, 2017, 05:44:16 pm
That gap still bugs me.
Gaps are underrated.   >:(

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Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: hogfan58 on December 28, 2017, 06:07:43 am
If the DWR SRO takes after the SRO in jerry world, it actually will be a bit cheaper

Was a direct idea from Jerry...his "party pass" SRO areas in each end zone.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: clew on December 28, 2017, 09:03:39 am
The deck gives you tailgating or staging opportunities. Also, could that be where the team stages before running through the "A"?

What is sad, and we are only 30 years late on this one: have the gap be to the south so you can see the mountains. Some will remember the original argument against the SEZ was that it would obstruct the view of the mountains, something the original donor of the grounds was adamant about.

They should have kept the height of the SEZ seating section down--would have rather the NEZ been built up versus the south.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on January 09, 2018, 11:42:58 am
1-9-18 Update:
Basic frame of Lower bowl almost complete

*Note* One of the stadium construction workers was taken to the hospital yesterday. He was being tested for carbon monoxide poisoning as of the last update. Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. We can disagree about how the aesthetics of our stadium but we don't want to see someone get hurt during its construction
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 09, 2018, 11:56:11 am
1-9-18 Update:
Basic frame of Lower bowl almost complete

*Note* One of the stadium construction workers was taken to the hospital yesterday. He was being tested for carbon monoxide poisoning as of the last update. Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. We can disagree about how the aesthetics of our stadium but we don't want to see someone get hurt during its construction

Latest update is it wasn't associated with carbon monoxide, personal health issues. Hopefully nothing too serious.

http://m.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/jan/08/construction-worker-razorback-stadium-taken-hospit/
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on January 09, 2018, 12:05:05 pm
Latest update is it wasn't associated with carbon monoxide, personal health issues. Hopefully nothing too serious.

http://m.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/jan/08/construction-worker-razorback-stadium-taken-hospit/
+1 Thanks for the update. Hope he recovers quickly
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on January 18, 2018, 03:59:17 pm
If you sit down to watch the game then you're doing it wrong.  Only time that's acceptable is if you're at home watching on TV.

 No, you're wrong... If you stand up and hop up and down like a meth dead at a banjo jam off when there is nothing exciting happening you're just a spoiled brat, and deserve to be chair bound when you get old.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Mike Irwin on January 18, 2018, 04:06:47 pm
That gap still bugs me.
Me too.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bphi11ips on January 18, 2018, 05:23:31 pm
Me too.

I didn't understand it from the beginning.  Yes, people have watched games for years from the hill north of the stadium.  Watched a Texas Tech game myself from the west side of the Broyles Complex before it was expanded.  But to say there was some "tradition" strong enough to carve out the gap left me scratching my head. Really?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hayden1865 on January 18, 2018, 05:35:05 pm
No, you're wrong... If you stand up and hop up and down like a meth dead at a banjo jam off when there is nothing exciting happening you're just a spoiled brat, and deserve to be chair bound when you get old.
and this is exactly why I'm ready for the standing room only tickets.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hog Pharm on January 18, 2018, 05:36:12 pm
I didn't understand it from the beginning.  Yes, people have watched games for years from the hill north of the stadium.  Watched a Texas Tech game myself from the west side of the Broyles Complex before it was expanded.  But to say there was some "tradition" strong enough to carve out the gap left me scratching my head. Really?

I’ve never considered it a tradition. That said, I think it will look better when it’s complete. I actually like the renderings of the finished product.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 18, 2018, 05:37:14 pm
I didn't understand it from the beginning.  Yes, people have watched games for years from the hill north of the stadium.  Watched a Texas Tech game myself from the west side of the Broyles Complex before it was expanded.  But to say there was some "tradition" strong enough to carve out the gap left me scratching my head. Really?

I think it was more a tradition of being able to turn on to Stadium from Maple and be able to "look" into the stadium. Also, regular students, families, and just fans liked to have their picture taken with the stadium field in the background. I don't know how that will look after it's finished, but that's the tradition I know of.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bphi11ips on January 18, 2018, 06:09:53 pm
I think it was more a tradition of being able to turn on to Stadium from Maple and be able to "look" into the stadium. Also, regular students, families, and just fans liked to have their picture taken with the stadium field in the background. I don't know how that will look after it's finished, but that's the tradition I know of.

I was there Monday and you do have a clear view of the field from the stoplight at Maple and Stadium Drive.  I've seen a photo from the 50s era of students dressed in suits and dresses picnicing on the hill there watching a game.  I've just never heard it referred to as a "tradition" until the plans were announced. 

I don't have strong feelings about the gap one way or the other but probably would have closed it unless money was the issue.  It is going to be impressive when finished. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 18, 2018, 06:26:01 pm
I was there Monday and you do have a clear view of the field from the stoplight at Maple and Stadium Drive.  I've seen a photo from the 50s era of students dressed in suits and dresses picnicing on the hill there watching a game.  I've just never heard it referred to as a "tradition" until the plans were announced. 

I don't have strong feelings about the gap one way or the other but probably would have closed it unless money was the issue.  It is going to be impressive when finished. 

I think the new "look-in" cuts about 10-20 yards off what the previous look gave, but it's fine with me.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on January 18, 2018, 07:33:54 pm
and this is exactly why I'm ready for the standing room only tickets.

 LOL..! Well, we can agree on that. I would also vote to allow beer for all y'all standing down there. Maybe even a dance contest during TV time-outs...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on January 18, 2018, 07:35:19 pm
I was there Monday and you do have a clear view of the field from the stoplight at Maple and Stadium Drive.  I've seen a photo from the 50s era of students dressed in suits and dresses picnicing on the hill there watching a game.  I've just never heard it referred to as a "tradition" until the plans were announced. 

I don't have strong feelings about the gap one way or the other but probably would have closed it unless money was the issue.  It is going to be impressive when finished. 

 I have a feeling with the sales of the loge boxes that that area will be closed rather quickly. Maybe 5 to 8 years at most.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: PonderinHog on January 18, 2018, 07:36:43 pm
LOL..! Well, we can agree on that. I would also vote to allow beer for all y'all standing down there. Maybe even a dance contest during TV time-outs...
I was thinking an amusement park might bring in the Central Arkansas crowds.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Anybody on January 18, 2018, 07:38:25 pm
goodguytex -   fan is short for fanatic.

GO HOGS !
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hayden1865 on January 18, 2018, 07:40:40 pm
LOL..! Well, we can agree on that. I would also vote to allow beer for all y'all standing down there. Maybe even a dance contest during TV time-outs...
Would love the beer. No dancing for me. Nothing against people who like to sit but i get so jacked up when I'm watching my team play I have a hard time sitting. Lower cost is also great for someone like myself who is just out of school.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on January 18, 2018, 07:54:49 pm
I was thinking an amusement park might bring in the Central Arkansas crowds.
Putt Putt... With the 18th hole being the opposing mascot's wahoo...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: PonderinHog on January 18, 2018, 07:58:12 pm
Putt Putt... With the 18th hole being the opposing mascot's wahoo...
Nope that needs to be on the southwest corner of the campus on the other side of the by-pass.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: RockyMtnHog on January 18, 2018, 09:50:27 pm
That was great when they had the little triangle windows you could flip around

There are a few of us that are telling our age.  I'm going on 65.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Springfield_MO_Razorback on January 18, 2018, 10:44:26 pm
I’ve never considered it a tradition. That said, I think it will look better when it’s complete. I actually like the renderings of the finished product.

I agree. The final renderings look pretty good. I'm neutral when it comes to the gap. I don't mind either way but maybe the current design will allow for an easy addition if they ever decide to fill it in completely. You never know what the future holds. Just think, 50-60 years ago did people really imagine college football stadiums being as large as they are today? Probably not. But they keep adding and adding to the original blueprints over the years.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on January 18, 2018, 11:18:36 pm
I agree. The final renderings look pretty good. I'm neutral when it comes to the gap. I don't mind either way but maybe the current design will allow for an easy addition if they ever decide to fill it in completely. You never know what the future holds. Just think, 50-60 years ago did people really imagine college football stadiums being as large as they are today? Probably not. But they keep adding and adding to the original blueprints over the years.

 They did in Tennessee...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Michael D Huff AIA on January 19, 2018, 08:28:46 am
I never heard of trying to watch a Razorback game without a ticket being a tradition at UA.  I've been going to games since 1977 and have a 5 year diploma from the Architecture school.  I'm afraid that "a unique situation because of topography" became "a tradition" during the design process of this expansion. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2018, 08:41:58 am
I never heard of trying to watch a Razorback game without a ticket being a tradition at UA.  I've been going to games since 1977 and have a 5 year diploma from the Architecture school.  I'm afraid that "a unique situation because of topography" became "a tradition" during the design process of this expansion. 

Well, if you would have spent less time in the lab, you would have known that. You don't recall seeing fans sitting on the hillside watching? I'm not talking across the road, but on the hillside by the stadium. I guess my seats in the SOC allowed me to see that corner, I'd always see that, and the tents set up for recruits on top of the BAC. I think the tradition was the look-in or ability to see into the stadium traveling south down Stadium.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Cotton on January 19, 2018, 08:45:09 am
Well, if you would have spent less time in the lab, you would have known that. You don't recall seeing fans sitting on the hillside watching? I'm not talking across the road, but on the hillside by the stadium. I guess my seats in the SOC allowed me to see that corner, I'd always see that, and the tents set up for recruits on top of the BAC. I think the tradition was the look-in or ability to see into the stadium traveling south down Stadium.
Taking a picture with the stadium as a backdrop has been a tradition IMO.  I've always seen several people outside the games there from our Lower Westside tickets.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2018, 09:17:54 am
Taking a picture with the stadium as a backdrop has been a tradition IMO.  I've always seen several people outside the games there from our Lower Westside tickets.
Now, I didn't do it in 76-80, but my kids did, usually on their way way out of town after graduating. Now days they let them get on the field for graduation pictures.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on January 19, 2018, 09:28:34 am
Well, if you would have spent less time in the lab, you would have known that. You don't recall seeing fans sitting on the hillside watching? I'm not talking across the road, but on the hillside by the stadium. I guess my seats in the SOC allowed me to see that corner, I'd always see that, and the tents set up for recruits on top of the BAC. I think the tradition was the look-in or ability to see into the stadium traveling south down Stadium.

Agreed. I became a season ticket holder in 1999 but in 2006, I had to retire early due to health issues and could not financially afford the tickets for the 2007 season so I road up with my brother and sat in a lawn chair on the sidewalk in that open corner to watch the games. I hated not being able to be inside the stadium but I wanted to sec the Hogs play in person. It meant that much to me. Thankfully, things improved and I was able to buy tickets from 2008 to 2012. Having to become a 24/7/365 caretaker for my mother ended my trips to the games.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Cotton on January 19, 2018, 10:22:20 am
Now, I didn't do it in 76-80, but my kids did, usually on their way way out of town after graduating. Now days they let them get on the field for graduation pictures.
After the Broyles complex was completed it created a good platform for that.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: PermianPig on January 19, 2018, 10:32:21 am
After a Chad Morris Natty in the next 3-5 years, then we can fill in that "air" gap and make an underground tunnel for the road on the west side. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Michael D Huff AIA on January 19, 2018, 10:48:11 am
For the record, I missed three football games in the 5 years that I was a student. Missed three basketball games (not counting games during the Christmas break) in the same time period.  Some things are just not worth missing.

I always thought that hill was where the freeloaders tried to watch the game for free, you know, get something for nothing.  Didn't know that was a 'tradition' at our school.

I'm pretty neutral about 'the gap'.  It seems like an experiment that can be easily fixed if that experiment doesn't work.  I do like the idea of the standing room only area.  That could be fun, and a different sort of experience. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on January 19, 2018, 10:55:55 am
After a Chad Morris Natty in the next 3-5 years, then we can fill in that "air" gap and make an underground tunnel for the road on the west side. 

My guess is the West side renovation will happen LONG before that gap gets closed.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razorbackfaninar on January 19, 2018, 11:01:50 am
I never heard of trying to watch a Razorback game without a ticket being a tradition at UA.  I've been going to games since 1977 and have a 5 year diploma from the Architecture school.  I'm afraid that "a unique situation because of topography" became "a tradition" during the design process of this expansion.

I have always lived in Central Arkansas. I used to travel to NW Arkansas for work and for my son's baseball tournaments.  Maybe it's because we aren't always up there but any time of year we were up there we always made a ride by the stadium, stopped, looked into the stadium, sometimes taking pictures sometimes not, and many times we have run into people taking pictures there.  Met a couple doing their engagement photo there and one taking a pic of a new baby for a card to mail out for birth announcements.  Now maybe it's just happens to be me and the people I know, but I have always thought it was pretty common for people to do that.  I used to work for some really big donors in Little Rock and when they were raising money Jeff Long and John Fagg came by our office and gave a presentation of what all of this was supposed to look like.  This was before the Jones Center was even built and I remember them saying at the time that they were leaving the gap for traditional purposes.  I thought it was a great idea then, and I think it looks good with the space there.  I guess I always assumed it was a tradition for folks to go there and look into the stadium, take pictures hang out on game day etc. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Bash on January 19, 2018, 11:05:38 am
they could still grow grass there, newer varieties?

That might fly with the hippies in Colorado, but not here.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Oklahawg on January 19, 2018, 12:20:58 pm
The gap is a nice location for SEC Nation or ESPN Game Day. Pep rally area for a mini-band (like the commando band that circles the upper deck during the second half).

The picture backdrop is a huge thing. How many times do we see that? I see it a lot, even if others do not.

Plus, they had to have a way to get the big cranes out of the stadium! :)
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Bash on January 19, 2018, 12:52:49 pm
The gap is a nice location for SEC Nation or ESPN Game Day....Plus, they had to have a way to get the big cranes out of the stadium! :)

Doesn't look like you could get them out through the gap - 2 story structure there.  Which raises a fascinating question.  How the heck are they going to get them out?  Imagine the awkwardness of getting everything done and closed in and then realizing the cranes are still there with no way to get them out!  Someone do a stat FOI on the construction plans before its too late!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: FraggleHog on January 19, 2018, 12:56:57 pm
The gap is a nice location for SEC Nation or ESPN Game Day. Pep rally area for a mini-band (like the commando band that circles the upper deck during the second half).

The picture backdrop is a huge thing. How many times do we see that? I see it a lot, even if others do not.

Plus, they had to have a way to get the big cranes out of the stadium! :)

Not sure if you're joking... but the cranes are collapsed and rolled through the South East Endzone tunnel...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Bash on January 19, 2018, 12:59:31 pm
Not sure if you're joking... but the cranes are collapsed and rolled through the South East Endzone tunnel...

Oh, what a relief.  I was just about to start a "Save the Yellow Cranes!" campaign.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razCzar on January 19, 2018, 01:20:35 pm
Doesn't look like you could get them out through the gap - 2 story structure there.  Which raises a fascinating question.  How the heck are they going to get them out?  Imagine the awkwardness of getting everything done and closed in and then realizing the cranes are still there with no way to get them out!  Someone do a stat FOI on the construction plans before its too late!
You're kidding, right?
I check out progression of several UA projects 2-3x/week and saw them deliver the crane.  If you go to 8:37am on December 4 on the Time Lapse, you'll see it being rolled in on a flatbed.  The wide tracks were attached to the body on-site over about 4 hours. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AP85 on January 19, 2018, 01:22:14 pm
The better question is.

How are they going to get some wins inside the stadium?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razCzar on January 19, 2018, 01:27:56 pm
Regarding this gap "tradition" thing... completely fabricated.  Trust me, been around since our natty days and have never heard such nonsense.  BUT if it turns out like most of the renderings, it should be killer.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: HoggyCat on January 19, 2018, 01:28:10 pm
The better question is.

How are they going to get some wins inside the stadium?

"Under construction"
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2018, 01:31:08 pm
Regarding this gap "tradition" thing... completely fabricated.  Trust me, been around since our natty days and have never heard such nonsense.

So, you've never looked into the stadium while driving west on Maple, or south on Stadium?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razCzar on January 19, 2018, 01:33:24 pm
So, you've never looked into the stadium while driving west on Maple, or south on Stadium?
Well, I guess... lived/parked on Stadium Drive for four years.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2018, 01:41:33 pm
Well, I guess... lived/parked on Stadium Drive for four years.

So, it was a tradition. You never saw people sitting on the hill watching a game, taking a picture, or read about this?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Bash on January 19, 2018, 01:43:48 pm
The better question is.

How are they going to get some wins inside the stadium?

You could set up some nasty screen plays if there were several cranes on the field.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2018, 01:45:39 pm
You could set up some nasty screen plays if there were several cranes on the field.

Home field advantage.....
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bphi11ips on January 19, 2018, 01:47:49 pm
You could set up some nasty screen plays if there were several cranes on the field.

Or we could use ladders...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razCzar on January 19, 2018, 01:55:02 pm
So, it was a tradition. You never saw people sitting on the hill watching a game, taking a picture, or read about this?
Interestingly, I never noticed fans sitting on the hill for games.  If they actually were, it was still not considered a "tradition" at the time.  Further, until this expansion, I had never heard it referred to as such. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bphi11ips on January 19, 2018, 01:57:27 pm
So, it was a tradition. You never saw people sitting on the hill watching a game, taking a picture, or read about this?

Most of us traditionally stop at red lights, but that's not the type of tradition we're talking about.  Looking into the stadium while driving down Maple doesn't sound like a tradition to me.  Sitting on the hill near the stoplight and watching games has, I suppose, been a tradition, and maybe that spot offers a good photo op.  My point, and razCzar's, is that I doubt any of us considered those things to be great Arkansas traditions until we were told they are when the plans were released. 

Here's the official release:

"Every college football stadium has its signature architectural focal point. The look-in opening on the northeast corner of DWRRS is its most recognizable vantage point, allowing Arkansans throughout the years to peer onto the field to see the Razorback at midfield and the illuminated Home of the Razorbacks display. The renovation project will preserve and build upon this iconic feature as a nod toward the unparalleled traditions of Razorback Football."

That seems to have evolved a bit since the first press release.  I get the point and agree that people, including myself, have enjoyed looking into the stadium from the north side for any number of reasons for generations.  If the athletic department wants to describe that as a tradition it's fine with me. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on January 19, 2018, 01:59:12 pm
Interestingly, I never noticed fans sitting on the hill for games.  If they actually were, it was still not considered a "tradition" at the time.  Further, until this expansion, I had never heard it referred to as such. 

Ever since I started going to the games in 1999, that corner was full of people sitting in the grass watching what they could of the game.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AP85 on January 19, 2018, 02:01:40 pm
Ever since I started going to the games in 1999, that corner was full of people sitting in the grass watching what they could of the game.

Ol.

Bowl it in.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razCzar on January 19, 2018, 02:02:16 pm
Most of us traditionally stop at red lights, but that's not the type of tradition we're talking about.  Looking into the stadium while driving down Maple doesn't sound like a tradition to me.  Sitting on the hill near the stoplight and watching games has, I suppose, been a tradition, and maybe that spot offers a good photo op.  My point, and razCzar's, is that I doubt any of us considered those things to be great Arkansas traditions until we were told they are when the plans were released. 

Here's the official release:

"Every college football stadium has its signature architectural focal point. The look-in opening on the northeast corner of DWRRS is its most recognizable vantage point, allowing Arkansans throughout the years to peer onto the field to see the Razorback at midfield and the illuminated Home of the Razorbacks display. The renovation project will preserve and build upon this iconic feature as a nod toward the unparalleled traditions of Razorback Football."

That seems to have evolved a bit since the first press release.  I get the point and agree that people, including myself, have enjoyed looking into the stadium from the north side for any number of reasons for generations.  If the athletic department wants to describe that as a tradition it's fine with me.
Exactly. 
I have no problem with new traditions.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on January 19, 2018, 02:04:45 pm
Ol.

Bowl it in.

They are. The Grassy knoll is gone.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razorbackfaninar on January 19, 2018, 02:25:09 pm
Most of us traditionally stop at red lights, but that's not the type of tradition we're talking about.  Looking into the stadium while driving down Maple doesn't sound like a tradition to me.  Sitting on the hill near the stoplight and watching games has, I suppose, been a tradition, and maybe that spot offers a good photo op.  My point, and razCzar's, is that I doubt any of us considered those things to be great Arkansas traditions until we were told they are when the plans were released. 

Here's the official release:

"Every college football stadium has its signature architectural focal point. The look-in opening on the northeast corner of DWRRS is its most recognizable vantage point, allowing Arkansans throughout the years to peer onto the field to see the Razorback at midfield and the illuminated Home of the Razorbacks display. The renovation project will preserve and build upon this iconic feature as a nod toward the unparalleled traditions of Razorback Football."

That seems to have evolved a bit since the first press release.  I get the point and agree that people, including myself, have enjoyed looking into the stadium from the north side for any number of reasons for generations.  If the athletic department wants to describe that as a tradition it's fine with me.

I'm 40-ish, and I live in Central Arkansas, raised in south and Central Arkansas, and I can tell you that since I was a kid and going to games with my dad and since I have been old enough to drive myself to Fayetteville for games or go through the area for any reason if we have the extra time we usually stop by there to look down into the stadium, sometimes to take pictures sometimes not, and as often as not I run into other fans there doing the same thing.  I don't mean we watch games there, It's always been on a non-game day like a day before or after a game or sometime during the off season.  I liked to do it when I was a kid and my kids like to do it now. I guess it's because we don't live in the area so it has always been a neat thing for us to just drop in and be able to see down onto the field. I don't know if you want to call that a tradition or not, but I did that with my dad and I do it now with my kids.I don't think it was made up to sell an architectural feature of the stadium     
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ChitownHawg on January 19, 2018, 02:33:22 pm
That would be cool.  Could also have conference championship banners and bowl banners as well.

That's what we need - a constant reminder of how we have sucked since joining the SEC. All of those SWC banners would simply highlight this.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneLardAlmighty on January 19, 2018, 03:51:34 pm
Most of us traditionally stop at red lights, but that's not the type of tradition we're talking about.  Looking into the stadium while driving down Maple doesn't sound like a tradition to me.  Sitting on the hill near the stoplight and watching games has, I suppose, been a tradition, and maybe that spot offers a good photo op.  My point, and razCzar's, is that I doubt any of us considered those things to be great Arkansas traditions until we were told they are when the plans were released. 

Here's the official release:

"Every college football stadium has its signature architectural focal point. The look-in opening on the northeast corner of DWRRS is its most recognizable vantage point, allowing Arkansans throughout the years to peer onto the field to see the Razorback at midfield and the illuminated Home of the Razorbacks display. The renovation project will preserve and build upon this iconic feature as a nod toward the unparalleled traditions of Razorback Football."

That seems to have evolved a bit since the first press release.  I get the point and agree that people, including myself, have enjoyed looking into the stadium from the north side for any number of reasons for generations.  If the athletic department wants to describe that as a tradition it's fine with me. 

If the point of this is to discredit this "tradition" as some empty Jeff Long inspired marketing ploy, then fine, I have no stake in calling it that.  Nor do I think it has ever been customary, at least since the North End Zone facility was built in the 70s, for many people to cop a free view of the game from the hill to the northeast.  Certainly not enough to merit that designation.

But for me at least, there has always been something a little magical and awe-inspiring about topping over the hill on Maple (the way my family always came to the games when I was a kid and the way I prefer to approach the stadium even now), peering down into the stadium in the valley, and seeing the green turf below and "Home of the Razorbacks" in bold red letters on the press box above, a detail that dates from at least the 1970s and has been retained through every renovation since. 

There's a reason for that 1950s photo of people picnicking on the hill above, a reason why many fans, myself included, have taken photos of themselves and their friends from that location, a reason why College Gameday chose that northeast corner as the location for their set on their one visit to Fayetteville.  It's an awesome view.  I thought it was awesome when I was 10 years old in 1977 and Razorback Stadium was a 41,000 seat erector set with a metal press box on top, and it's awesome now.  Maybe it's just me, but there's always something a little bit thrilling about approaching a stadium.  I imagine it's sort of like the experience of a medieval peasant approaching a giant cathedral towering in the distance above everything else.  I've seen bigger stadiums and stadiums situated in more dramatic settings.  I've seen DKR in Austin, Notre Dame stadium, Bryant-Denny, Jordan-Hare, Neyland, and Folsom Field nestled against the Flatirons in Boulder.  I've kayaked right up to Huskie Stadium from Lake Washington in Seattle.  I'm sure there are some others I've forgotten, and some--like Rutgers--which I've tried to forget.  I'm know I'm biased, but for my money the approach to Razorback Stadium, at least from the northeast, is as awe-inspiring any in college football.   I don't know whether that's a tradition, but I have always thought that.  Apparently someone who had a hand in the design did too.

There's something unique--and uniquely Arkansas about it:  not just the fact that you can see into the stadium itself, but also the fact that in the Ozarks, unlike most mountain ranges, you don't stand at the bottom and look up so much as stand on top of the mountains and look down.  I can't think of many stadiums you descend into.  It's maybe one of the reasons Freddie Steinmark said that "playing in Fayetteville is like parachuting into Russia."

Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2018, 03:56:41 pm
If the point of this is to discredit this "tradition" as some empty Jeff Long inspired marketing ploy, then fine, I have no stake in calling it that.  Nor do I think it has ever been customary, at least since the North End Zone facility was built in the 70s, for many people to cop a free view of the game from the hill to the northeast.  Certainly not enough to merit that designation.

But for me at least, there has always been something a little magical and awe-inspiring about topping over the hill on Maple (the way my family always came to the games when I was a kid and the way I prefer to approach the stadium even now), peering down into the stadium in the valley, and seeing the green turf below and "Home of the Razorbacks" in bold red letters on the press box above, a detail that dates from at least the 1970s and has been retained through every renovation since. 

There's a reason for that 1950s photo of people picnicking on the hill above, a reason why many fans, myself included, have taken photos of themselves and their friends from that location, a reason why College Gameday chose that northeast corner as the location for their set on their one visit to Fayetteville.  It's an awesome view.  I thought it was awesome when I was 10 years old in 1977 and Razorback Stadium was a 41,000 seat erector set with a metal press box on top, and it's awesome now.  Maybe it's just me, but there's always something a little bit thrilling about approaching a stadium.  I imagine it's sort of like the experience of a medieval peasant approaching a giant cathedral towering in the distance above everything else.  I've seen bigger stadiums and stadiums situated in more dramatic settings.  I've seen DKR in Austin, Notre Dame stadium, Bryant-Denny, Jordan-Hare, Neyland, and Folsom Field nestled against the Flatirons in Boulder.  I've kayaked right up to Huskie Stadium from Lake Washington in Seattle.  I'm sure there are some others I've forgotten, and some--like Rutgers--which I've tried to forget.  I'm know I'm biased, but for my money the approach to Razorback Stadium, at least from the northeast, is as awe-inspiring any in college football.  I don't know whether that's a tradition, but I have always thought that.  Apparently someone who had a hand in the design did too.


+1000 I'd call that a tradition, just as I would about the poster and his Dad, and now his children.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneLardAlmighty on January 19, 2018, 04:16:29 pm
+1000 I'd call that a tradition, just as I would about the poster and his Dad, and now his children.

I do the same thing.  I live 1000 miles away now, but we visit Fayetteville every summer.  One of the first things my boys want to do, who are about the same age I was when I really fell for the Hogs, is drive by and look at the stadium.  (I don't tell them I thought they'd never ask.)  I always go out of my way to take them up Maple, wherever we may be when they happen to ask.  And I can tell it affects them the same way it did me when I was their age. 

I admit that the new design takes some getting used to.  It's asymmetrical, for one thing, as many people complained.  And a lot of us have spent a year staring at the construction cameras, which shows the thing from its most unflattering perspective--the tower in the southwest end zone.  This accentuates the gap, as does the fact that the seating and the northeast tower are unfinished.  The view will be very different from almost everywhere else inside the stadium.  I think the mockups look great, and I think when it's finished and all tied together, it's going to be really impressive.  At least I hope so.  And I, for one, will be happy if I can peer down from the top of Maple and read "Home of the Razorbacks." 

Or just "Home", for that matter.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AP85 on January 19, 2018, 06:54:22 pm
That's what we need - a constant reminder of how we have sucked since joining the SEC. All of those SWC banners would simply highlight this.

Yes, yes, yes.  That 1964 “national champion” banner would seal the deal for recruits.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 21, 2018, 11:39:29 am
Ever since I started going to the games in 1999, that corner was full of people sitting in the grass watching what they could of the game.

I think he means across the road where the hill goes up towards the Administration building. There have always been people sitting on the grassy hill inside the stadium sidewalk watching games.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 21, 2018, 11:44:09 am
If the point of this is to discredit this "tradition" as some empty Jeff Long inspired marketing ploy, then fine, I have no stake in calling it that.  Nor do I think it has ever been customary, at least since the North End Zone facility was built in the 70s, for many people to cop a free view of the game from the hill to the northeast.  Certainly not enough to merit that designation.

But for me at least, there has always been something a little magical and awe-inspiring about topping over the hill on Maple (the way my family always came to the games when I was a kid and the way I prefer to approach the stadium even now), peering down into the stadium in the valley, and seeing the green turf below and "Home of the Razorbacks" in bold red letters on the press box above, a detail that dates from at least the 1970s and has been retained through every renovation since. 

There's a reason for that 1950s photo of people picnicking on the hill above, a reason why many fans, myself included, have taken photos of themselves and their friends from that location, a reason why College Gameday chose that northeast corner as the location for their set on their one visit to Fayetteville.  It's an awesome view.  I thought it was awesome when I was 10 years old in 1977 and Razorback Stadium was a 41,000 seat erector set with a metal press box on top, and it's awesome now.  Maybe it's just me, but there's always something a little bit thrilling about approaching a stadium.  I imagine it's sort of like the experience of a medieval peasant approaching a giant cathedral towering in the distance above everything else.  I've seen bigger stadiums and stadiums situated in more dramatic settings.  I've seen DKR in Austin, Notre Dame stadium, Bryant-Denny, Jordan-Hare, Neyland, and Folsom Field nestled against the Flatirons in Boulder.  I've kayaked right up to Huskie Stadium from Lake Washington in Seattle.  I'm sure there are some others I've forgotten, and some--like Rutgers--which I've tried to forget.  I'm know I'm biased, but for my money the approach to Razorback Stadium, at least from the northeast, is as awe-inspiring any in college football.   I don't know whether that's a tradition, but I have always thought that.  Apparently someone who had a hand in the design did too.

There's something unique--and uniquely Arkansas about it:  not just the fact that you can see into the stadium itself, but also the fact that in the Ozarks, unlike most mountain ranges, you don't stand at the bottom and look up so much as stand on top of the mountains and look down.  I can't think of many stadiums you descend into.  It's maybe one of the reasons Freddie Steinmark said that "playing in Fayetteville is like parachuting into Russia."



Agree. The one that I've seen that rivals that view is from the back top of the end zone hill at Clemson where Howards Rock is and the players run down into the stadium.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 21, 2018, 11:45:38 am
I do the same thing.  I live 1000 miles away now, but we visit Fayetteville every summer.  One of the first things my boys want to do, who are about the same age I was when I really fell for the Hogs, is drive by and look at the stadium.  (I don't tell them I thought they'd never ask.)  I always go out of my way to take them up Maple, wherever we may be when they happen to ask.  And I can tell it affects them the same way it did me when I was their age. 

I admit that the new design takes some getting used to.  It's asymmetrical, for one thing, as many people complained.  And a lot of us have spent a year staring at the construction cameras, which shows the thing from its most unflattering perspective--the tower in the southwest end zone.  This accentuates the gap, as does the fact that the seating and the northeast tower are unfinished.  The view will be very different from almost everywhere else inside the stadium.  I think the mockups look great, and I think when it's finished and all tied together, it's going to be really impressive.  At least I hope so.  And I, for one, will be happy if I can peer down from the top of Maple and read "Home of the Razorbacks." 

Or just "Home", for that matter.

Several stadiums are asymmetrical now either through renovations/additions or new construction.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razCzar on January 21, 2018, 11:47:29 am
The NEZ expansion #1 Time-Lapse camera has been blurry since Friday.
On one of your frequent trips to Maple @ Stadium, ricepig, maybe you can climb up and refocus.  lol
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bphi11ips on January 21, 2018, 11:50:56 am
If the point of this is to discredit this "tradition" as some empty Jeff Long inspired marketing ploy, then fine, I have no stake in calling it that.  Nor do I think it has ever been customary, at least since the North End Zone facility was built in the 70s, for many people to cop a free view of the game from the hill to the northeast.  Certainly not enough to merit that designation.

But for me at least, there has always been something a little magical and awe-inspiring about topping over the hill on Maple (the way my family always came to the games when I was a kid and the way I prefer to approach the stadium even now), peering down into the stadium in the valley, and seeing the green turf below and "Home of the Razorbacks" in bold red letters on the press box above, a detail that dates from at least the 1970s and has been retained through every renovation since. 

There's a reason for that 1950s photo of people picnicking on the hill above, a reason why many fans, myself included, have taken photos of themselves and their friends from that location, a reason why College Gameday chose that northeast corner as the location for their set on their one visit to Fayetteville.  It's an awesome view.  I thought it was awesome when I was 10 years old in 1977 and Razorback Stadium was a 41,000 seat erector set with a metal press box on top, and it's awesome now.  Maybe it's just me, but there's always something a little bit thrilling about approaching a stadium.  I imagine it's sort of like the experience of a medieval peasant approaching a giant cathedral towering in the distance above everything else.  I've seen bigger stadiums and stadiums situated in more dramatic settings.  I've seen DKR in Austin, Notre Dame stadium, Bryant-Denny, Jordan-Hare, Neyland, and Folsom Field nestled against the Flatirons in Boulder.  I've kayaked right up to Huskie Stadium from Lake Washington in Seattle.  I'm sure there are some others I've forgotten, and some--like Rutgers--which I've tried to forget.  I'm know I'm biased, but for my money the approach to Razorback Stadium, at least from the northeast, is as awe-inspiring any in college football.   I don't know whether that's a tradition, but I have always thought that.  Apparently someone who had a hand in the design did too.

There's something unique--and uniquely Arkansas about it:  not just the fact that you can see into the stadium itself, but also the fact that in the Ozarks, unlike most mountain ranges, you don't stand at the bottom and look up so much as stand on top of the mountains and look down.  I can't think of many stadiums you descend into.  It's maybe one of the reasons Freddie Steinmark said that "playing in Fayetteville is like parachuting into Russia."



Good post. I feel the same way in many respects. The view as a whole is the reason the corner of Maple and Stadium is a photo op. The view wouldn’t be the same without the stadium. The view of the field itself makes it better.

I never said anything about a Jeff Long marketing ploy. Does it feel that way to you?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 21, 2018, 11:55:15 am
The NEZ expansion #1 Time-Lapse camera has been blurry since Friday.
On one of your frequent trips to Maple @ Stadium, ricepig, maybe you can climb up and refocus.  lol

I guess you aren't paying for the premium camera, are you? It's been perfectly in focus.......
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razCzar on January 21, 2018, 12:08:39 pm
I guess you aren't paying for the premium camera, are you? It's been perfectly in focus.......
Oh, you thought I was referring to the camera??
 ;D
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneLardAlmighty on January 21, 2018, 12:34:15 pm
Good post. I feel the same way in many respects. The view as a whole is the reason the corner of Maple and Stadium is a photo op. The view wouldn’t be the same without the stadium. The view of the field itself makes it better.

I never said anything about a Jeff Long marketing ploy. Does it feel that way to you?

No, not really.  I guess that was how I interpreted it when you said, "I doubt any of us considered those things to be great Arkansas traditions until we were told they are when the plans were released."  Forgive me if I jumped to conclusions.  There's a lot of cynicism around here about everything Jeff Long did.  I probably just assimilated it into that. 

 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: roothawg on January 21, 2018, 05:19:34 pm
Won't get any louder if people are behind glass and no part of the game
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 21, 2018, 05:22:24 pm
Won't get any louder if people are behind glass and no part of the game

The suites have outdoor seats, and the loge box and club seats are all outside. I guess you haven't looked at the rendering of the construction cameras?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: stu06258 on January 21, 2018, 06:36:03 pm
                     ..  .    .l
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 21, 2018, 07:36:54 pm
Won't get any louder if people are behind glass and no part of the game

Haven't you heard. It was designed with exactly the right curvature that all the existing seats noise will bounce off it into only the opponents sideline.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: clew on January 25, 2018, 11:08:43 pm
Maybe it has something to do with being from central/south arkansas. Those of you lucky enough to live in NWA don’t appreciate the view as much as some of us poor delta hicks. I have about 10-15 photos of the stadium through the gap from the 90s to early 2000s when it went through the first renovation. Also have some pics of bud Walton arena from the 9th floor of Yokum when it was just a hole in the ground. Maybe some blurry pictures of Humphries at night too, but no one would want to see those.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: LZH on January 26, 2018, 12:14:04 am
If the point of this is to discredit this "tradition" as some empty Jeff Long inspired marketing ploy, then fine, I have no stake in calling it that.  Nor do I think it has ever been customary, at least since the North End Zone facility was built in the 70s, for many people to cop a free view of the game from the hill to the northeast.  Certainly not enough to merit that designation.

But for me at least, there has always been something a little magical and awe-inspiring about topping over the hill on Maple (the way my family always came to the games when I was a kid and the way I prefer to approach the stadium even now), peering down into the stadium in the valley, and seeing the green turf below and "Home of the Razorbacks" in bold red letters on the press box above, a detail that dates from at least the 1970s and has been retained through every renovation since. 

There's a reason for that 1950s photo of people picnicking on the hill above, a reason why many fans, myself included, have taken photos of themselves and their friends from that location, a reason why College Gameday chose that northeast corner as the location for their set on their one visit to Fayetteville.  It's an awesome view.  I thought it was awesome when I was 10 years old in 1977 and Razorback Stadium was a 41,000 seat erector set with a metal press box on top, and it's awesome now.  Maybe it's just me, but there's always something a little bit thrilling about approaching a stadium.  I imagine it's sort of like the experience of a medieval peasant approaching a giant cathedral towering in the distance above everything else.  I've seen bigger stadiums and stadiums situated in more dramatic settings.  I've seen DKR in Austin, Notre Dame stadium, Bryant-Denny, Jordan-Hare, Neyland, and Folsom Field nestled against the Flatirons in Boulder.  I've kayaked right up to Huskie Stadium from Lake Washington in Seattle.  I'm sure there are some others I've forgotten, and some--like Rutgers--which I've tried to forget.  I'm know I'm biased, but for my money the approach to Razorback Stadium, at least from the northeast, is as awe-inspiring any in college football.   I don't know whether that's a tradition, but I have always thought that.  Apparently someone who had a hand in the design did too.

There's something unique--and uniquely Arkansas about it:  not just the fact that you can see into the stadium itself, but also the fact that in the Ozarks, unlike most mountain ranges, you don't stand at the bottom and look up so much as stand on top of the mountains and look down.  I can't think of many stadiums you descend into.  It's maybe one of the reasons Freddie Steinmark said that "playing in Fayetteville is like parachuting into Russia."



+1
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Mike_e on January 26, 2018, 05:19:14 am
Or we could just call it section ADD and everyone would understand and be done with it.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on January 26, 2018, 06:36:16 am
If the point of this is to discredit this "tradition" as some empty Jeff Long inspired marketing ploy, then fine, I have no stake in calling it that.  Nor do I think it has ever been customary, at least since the North End Zone facility was built in the 70s, for many people to cop a free view of the game from the hill to the northeast.  Certainly not enough to merit that designation.

But for me at least, there has always been something a little magical and awe-inspiring about topping over the hill on Maple (the way my family always came to the games when I was a kid and the way I prefer to approach the stadium even now), peering down into the stadium in the valley, and seeing the green turf below and "Home of the Razorbacks" in bold red letters on the press box above, a detail that dates from at least the 1970s and has been retained through every renovation since. 

There's a reason for that 1950s photo of people picnicking on the hill above, a reason why many fans, myself included, have taken photos of themselves and their friends from that location, a reason why College Gameday chose that northeast corner as the location for their set on their one visit to Fayetteville.  It's an awesome view.  I thought it was awesome when I was 10 years old in 1977 and Razorback Stadium was a 41,000 seat erector set with a metal press box on top, and it's awesome now.  Maybe it's just me, but there's always something a little bit thrilling about approaching a stadium.  I imagine it's sort of like the experience of a medieval peasant approaching a giant cathedral towering in the distance above everything else.  I've seen bigger stadiums and stadiums situated in more dramatic settings.  I've seen DKR in Austin, Notre Dame stadium, Bryant-Denny, Jordan-Hare, Neyland, and Folsom Field nestled against the Flatirons in Boulder.  I've kayaked right up to Huskie Stadium from Lake Washington in Seattle.  I'm sure there are some others I've forgotten, and some--like Rutgers--which I've tried to forget.  I'm know I'm biased, but for my money the approach to Razorback Stadium, at least from the northeast, is as awe-inspiring any in college football.   I don't know whether that's a tradition, but I have always thought that.  Apparently someone who had a hand in the design did too.

There's something unique--and uniquely Arkansas about it:  not just the fact that you can see into the stadium itself, but also the fact that in the Ozarks, unlike most mountain ranges, you don't stand at the bottom and look up so much as stand on top of the mountains and look down.  I can't think of many stadiums you descend into.  It's maybe one of the reasons Freddie Steinmark said that "playing in Fayetteville is like parachuting into Russia."



 My son and I stop right in that corner and peek in every year when we drive through that way. It's a family tradition for sure. I guess that they have noticed over the years how many people stop to see inside.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: riccoar on January 26, 2018, 07:54:29 am
1/26
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: tusksincolorado on January 26, 2018, 05:49:13 pm
That might fly with the hippies in Colorado, but not here.

Hey do us HIPPIES here in Colorado a favor...take 70 to Goodland and spin yourself back around with your condescending high morality and roll on back to whatever 50's lifestyle you strive to live in...We Colorado HIPPIES certainly will not miss you or your attitude.

   
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 26, 2018, 06:01:14 pm
Oh, what a relief.  I was just about to start a "Save the Yellow Cranes!" campaign.

They are not an endangered species.......................
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on January 26, 2018, 06:14:05 pm
Hey do us HIPPIES here in Colorado a favor...take 70 to Goodland and spin yourself back around with your condescending high morality and roll on back to whatever 50's lifestyle you strive to live in...We Colorado HIPPIES certainly will not miss you or your attitude.
 

 Wow... Pot meet kettle. pun fully intended. ;)
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Wooderson on January 30, 2018, 07:55:08 am
Does anyone know what the long term plan is for DWRRS?  At what point does the 70 year + concrete and steel become a hazard and when have to build from scratch?  Just curious if there are plans for a complete rebuild in 50 years or so?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ImHogginIt on January 30, 2018, 08:17:37 am
Does anyone know what the long term plan is for DWRRS?  At what point does the 70 year + concrete and steel become a hazard and when have to build from scratch?  Just curious if there are plans for a complete rebuild in 50 years or so?

We'll let our great great grandchildren worry about that  :D
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AP85 on January 30, 2018, 08:20:25 am
Hey do us HIPPIES here in Colorado a favor...take 70 to Goodland and spin yourself back around with your condescending high morality and roll on back to whatever 50's lifestyle you strive to live in...We Colorado HIPPIES certainly will not miss you or your attitude.

 

You’re so brave.


What an awful thing to have.....morality.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Cotton on January 30, 2018, 09:20:26 am
Does anyone know what the long term plan is for DWRRS?  At what point does the 70 year + concrete and steel become a hazard and when have to build from scratch?  Just curious if there are plans for a complete rebuild in 50 years or so?
Idk but we can only hope WMS is getting close to that.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 30, 2018, 11:49:54 am
Idk but we can only hope WMS is getting close to that.

I think a few years ago it had a chunk of concrete fall out underneath on the walkway. It wasn't real big but IIRC they went back and did some repairs and crack filling type stuff. Concrete will have some cracks in it. 99.999% of the time they have nothing to do with the structural integrity of the building but if large chunks start to fall out then it could be a problem. Nothing built by humans lasts forever and at some point stadiums have to be replaced for reasons other than getting more suites, etc.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 30, 2018, 12:25:47 pm
We'll let our great great grandchildren worry about that  :D

By that time it will be valuable beach front property due to global warming according to Hawgbawb..............................


Maybe they can sell it then and pay off the national debt.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on January 30, 2018, 12:52:19 pm
By that time it will be valuable beach front property due to global warming according to Hawgbawb..............................


Maybe they can sell it then and pay off the national debt.

Funny I’ve had this same thought. Not that it would rise that much but beaches in Arkansas is a plus. If I’m V Putin, I’m running 200 hummers in front of the Kremlin 24/7, warm that country up.

Ok I digress. In 50ish years I imagine the east and west stands will be renovated to keep them up properly.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: TebowHater on January 30, 2018, 07:11:34 pm
1/26

That opening looks more and more stupid by the day. Thanks Jeffy! At least empty boxes couldn't be seen so easily. We also could have put some sort of club, academic center, convention center (that could be rented out for events year round or something), etc. there. Dumb!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 30, 2018, 07:36:22 pm
That opening looks more and more stupid by the day. Thanks Jeffy! At least empty boxes couldn't be seen so easily. We also could have put some sort of club, academic center, convention center (that could be rented out for events year round or something), etc. there. Dumb!

What's empty? Suites and loge boxes will be full, the club seats??
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on January 30, 2018, 07:40:16 pm
What's empty? Suites and loge boxes will be full, the club seats??
your talking to a guy who literally drools on his keyboard.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: flagstaffhog on January 31, 2018, 12:09:56 am
If the point of this is to discredit this "tradition" as some empty Jeff Long inspired marketing ploy, then fine, I have no stake in calling it that.  Nor do I think it has ever been customary, at least since the North End Zone facility was built in the 70s, for many people to cop a free view of the game from the hill to the northeast.  Certainly not enough to merit that designation.

But for me at least, there has always been something a little magical and awe-inspiring about topping over the hill on Maple (the way my family always came to the games when I was a kid and the way I prefer to approach the stadium even now), peering down into the stadium in the valley, and seeing the green turf below and "Home of the Razorbacks" in bold red letters on the press box above, a detail that dates from at least the 1970s and has been retained through every renovation since. 

There's a reason for that 1950s photo of people picnicking on the hill above, a reason why many fans, myself included, have taken photos of themselves and their friends from that location, a reason why College Gameday chose that northeast corner as the location for their set on their one visit to Fayetteville.  It's an awesome view.  I thought it was awesome when I was 10 years old in 1977 and Razorback Stadium was a 41,000 seat erector set with a metal press box on top, and it's awesome now.  Maybe it's just me, but there's always something a little bit thrilling about approaching a stadium.  I imagine it's sort of like the experience of a medieval peasant approaching a giant cathedral towering in the distance above everything else.  I've seen bigger stadiums and stadiums situated in more dramatic settings.  I've seen DKR in Austin, Notre Dame stadium, Bryant-Denny, Jordan-Hare, Neyland, and Folsom Field nestled against the Flatirons in Boulder.  I've kayaked right up to Huskie Stadium from Lake Washington in Seattle.  I'm sure there are some others I've forgotten, and some--like Rutgers--which I've tried to forget.  I'm know I'm biased, but for my money the approach to Razorback Stadium, at least from the northeast, is as awe-inspiring any in college football.   I don't know whether that's a tradition, but I have always thought that.  Apparently someone who had a hand in the design did too.

There's something unique--and uniquely Arkansas about it:  not just the fact that you can see into the stadium itself, but also the fact that in the Ozarks, unlike most mountain ranges, you don't stand at the bottom and look up so much as stand on top of the mountains and look down.  I can't think of many stadiums you descend into.  It's maybe one of the reasons Freddie Steinmark said that "playing in Fayetteville is like parachuting into Russia."



Well said.

Go HOGS Go!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ImHogginIt on January 31, 2018, 01:49:27 am
If the point of this is to discredit this "tradition" as some empty Jeff Long inspired marketing ploy, then fine, I have no stake in calling it that.  Nor do I think it has ever been customary, at least since the North End Zone facility was built in the 70s, for many people to cop a free view of the game from the hill to the northeast.  Certainly not enough to merit that designation.

But for me at least, there has always been something a little magical and awe-inspiring about topping over the hill on Maple (the way my family always came to the games when I was a kid and the way I prefer to approach the stadium even now), peering down into the stadium in the valley, and seeing the green turf below and "Home of the Razorbacks" in bold red letters on the press box above, a detail that dates from at least the 1970s and has been retained through every renovation since. 

There's a reason for that 1950s photo of people picnicking on the hill above, a reason why many fans, myself included, have taken photos of themselves and their friends from that location, a reason why College Gameday chose that northeast corner as the location for their set on their one visit to Fayetteville.  It's an awesome view.  I thought it was awesome when I was 10 years old in 1977 and Razorback Stadium was a 41,000 seat erector set with a metal press box on top, and it's awesome now.  Maybe it's just me, but there's always something a little bit thrilling about approaching a stadium.  I imagine it's sort of like the experience of a medieval peasant approaching a giant cathedral towering in the distance above everything else.  I've seen bigger stadiums and stadiums situated in more dramatic settings.  I've seen DKR in Austin, Notre Dame stadium, Bryant-Denny, Jordan-Hare, Neyland, and Folsom Field nestled against the Flatirons in Boulder.  I've kayaked right up to Huskie Stadium from Lake Washington in Seattle.  I'm sure there are some others I've forgotten, and some--like Rutgers--which I've tried to forget.  I'm know I'm biased, but for my money the approach to Razorback Stadium, at least from the northeast, is as awe-inspiring any in college football.   I don't know whether that's a tradition, but I have always thought that.  Apparently someone who had a hand in the design did too.

There's something unique--and uniquely Arkansas about it:  not just the fact that you can see into the stadium itself, but also the fact that in the Ozarks, unlike most mountain ranges, you don't stand at the bottom and look up so much as stand on top of the mountains and look down.  I can't think of many stadiums you descend into.  It's maybe one of the reasons Freddie Steinmark said that "playing in Fayetteville is like parachuting into Russia."

This ^^^
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hog-N-Ham on January 31, 2018, 09:15:25 am
The opening on the northeast side of the stadium is the ‘million dollar view’ for the campus …

So many folks visit that area to take pictures, get a glimpse into the actual stadium and probably reminisce of past games and their time on campus.  For some fans and visitors, its kinda like walking up to the edge of the Grand Canyon and peering in, an ooh-and-aah moment.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: DeltaBoy on January 31, 2018, 01:15:05 pm
IT is all good just win baby.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on January 31, 2018, 01:16:34 pm
Interestingly, I never noticed fans sitting on the hill for games.  If they actually were, it was still not considered a "tradition" at the time.  Further, until this expansion, I had never heard it referred to as such.
That's strange. I noticed it in my first game there (Texas in '88 iirc) and every big game since. Odd you never noticed it. How many games have you attended?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Southpointhog on January 31, 2018, 01:26:35 pm
The opening on the northeast side of the stadium is the ‘million dollar view’ for the campus …

So many folks visit that area to take pictures, get a glimpse into the actual stadium and probably reminisce of past games and their time on campus.  For some fans and visitors, its kinda like walking up to the edge of the Grand Canyon and peering in, an ooh-and-aah moment.

This is so true^^^^
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AP85 on January 31, 2018, 01:29:33 pm
The opening on the northeast side of the stadium is the ‘million dollar view’ for the campus …

So many folks visit that area to take pictures, get a glimpse into the actual stadium and probably reminisce of past games and their time on campus.  For some fans and visitors, its kinda like walking up to the edge of the Grand Canyon and peering in, an ooh-and-aah moment.

Wow......please take the shades off. A little dramatic this one....
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 31, 2018, 01:30:48 pm
That's strange. I noticed it in my first game there (Texas in '88 iirc) and every big game since. Odd you never noticed it. How many games have you attended?

Before the Broyles center people stood it the "circle" area above the knoll that had wooden bleachers. When it was built they squeezed into the northeast corner area. I've always seen people there. Heck one game many, many years ago I stood there and watched a game. I wasn't by myself either.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 31, 2018, 01:31:24 pm
Wow......please take the shades off. A little dramatic this one....

Dramatic yes. It was correct though.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: TebowHater on January 31, 2018, 04:57:39 pm
What's empty? Suites and loge boxes will be full, the club seats??

I am talking about the huge gap in the Northeast corner. The gap that makes it look like we ran out of money. I was saying even if we didn't have the demand to build 25 more boxes or whatever that we could have continued the structure around and put something else inside that area.

I was one of the few early posters many months ago that was fighting along side saying yes, indeed, we had sold all of the boxes.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on January 31, 2018, 05:03:08 pm
I am talking about the huge gap in the Northeast corner. The gap that makes it look like we ran out of money. I was saying even if we didn't have the demand to build 25 more boxes or whatever that we could have continued the structure around and put something else inside that area.

I was one of the few early posters many months ago that was fighting along side saying yes, indeed, we had sold all of the boxes.

You do realize that the lower bowl will be completely enclosed, Right??
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: TebowHater on January 31, 2018, 05:04:28 pm
You do realize that the lower bowl will be completely enclosed, Right??

Yes, totally. You do realize you will have no idea that's the case when looking at the stadium from outside it, right?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 05:05:46 pm
I am talking about the huge gap in the Northeast corner. The gap that makes it look like we ran out of money. I was saying even if we didn't have the demand to build 25 more boxes or whatever that we could have continued the structure around and put something else inside that area.

I was one of the few early posters many months ago that was fighting along side saying yes, indeed, we had sold all of the boxes.

So, any stadium that isn't a bow,l is a stadium that ran out of money? I guess everything has to be symmetrical to you? I guess to those who don't know the history of the lookin, it might appear that way.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: TebowHater on January 31, 2018, 05:09:41 pm
So, any stadium that isn't a bow,l is a stadium that ran out of money? I guess everything has to be symmetrical to you? I guess to those who don't know the history of the lookin, it might appear that way.

It's not a lack of symmetry - that in and of itself is not inherently bad (see Gillette and many others). The issue is the design doesn't make the lack of symmetry look natural; it literally looks like we were chugging along and then just stopped 75% of the way complete. The design looks like it is supposed to be symmetric, but isn't.

If you can't see it just by looking at it then obviously we will never agree because it is overwhelmingly obvious to many peoples' eyes (have seen many posts on it here over the year), but it is an opinion. We can disagree on whether we like the aesthetic or not, but I can 100% assure you that history was not why that corner got left open. That was a convenient excuse, and indeed as you note, to the average recruit and anyone else watching around the country, it will look that way.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Hog-N-Ham on January 31, 2018, 05:14:28 pm
Wow......please take the shades off. A little dramatic this one....

Ha!  Yes a bit dramatic but I’m sure you know what I mean … whether you like the look or not, its a neat experience for the young and old to be able to look into the stadium from the northeast corner when visiting the U of A campus.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 05:27:38 pm
It's not a lack of symmetry - that in and of itself is not inherently bad (see Gillette and many others). The issue is the design doesn't make the lack of symmetry look natural; it literally looks like we were chugging along and then just stopped 75% of the way complete. The design looks like it is supposed to be symmetric, but isn't.

If you can't see it just by looking at it then obviously we will never agree because it is overwhelmingly obvious to many peoples' eyes (have seen many posts on it here over the year), but it is an opinion. We can disagree on whether we like the aesthetic or not, but I can 100% assure you that history was not why that corner got left open. That was a convenient excuse, and indeed as you note, to the average recruit and anyone else watching around the country, it will look that way.

You can't assure anything 100%, except your opinion. Tell me, why was it left open? It isn't because of money, adding suites is the cheapest part of the whole design, the structure support for them is already in place.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: TebowHater on January 31, 2018, 05:44:18 pm
You can't assure anything 100%, except your opinion. Tell me, why was it left open? It isn't because of money, adding suites is the cheapest part of the whole design, the structure support for them is already in place.

As I mentioned on the previous page, it was due to a lack of demand. I don't blame him for not building more boxes. Adding 20+ more would have been very difficult to fill. That said, they should have considered an alternative use of that space if they were to build it. But alas. Just frustrating because the stadium would look so BA if it went all the way. We have it bowled in and you would never even know because you just assume it stops there.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 05:48:34 pm
As I mentioned on the previous page, it was due to a lack of demand. I don't blame him for not building more boxes. Adding 20+ more would have been very difficult to fill. That said, they should have considered an alternative use of that space if they were to build it. But alas. Just frustrating because the stadium would look so BA if it went all the way. We have it bowled in and you would never even know because you just assume it stops there.

It would be 12 more, you know, if we're keeping to the existing design. Seeing that suites are the only fully sold seating, I don't think one could say that with certainty.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneLardAlmighty on January 31, 2018, 06:04:21 pm
As I mentioned on the previous page, it was due to a lack of demand. I don't blame him for not building more boxes. Adding 20+ more would have been very difficult to fill. That said, they should have considered an alternative use of that space if they were to build it. But alas. Just frustrating because the stadium would look so BA if it went all the way. We have it bowled in and you would never even know because you just assume it stops there.

This is the most ridiculous theory I've ever read.  it's hard to know where to even begin.  If low demand were the issue, then there would be a hundred other ways to address it, including just making the building smaller by a couple of levels.   Like the design or don't like it.  I don't care.  But at least give it the credit of being a design and not an accident.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: TebowHater on January 31, 2018, 07:35:21 pm
It would be 12 more, you know, if we're keeping to the existing design. Seeing that suites are the only fully sold seating, I don't think one could say that with certainty.

So, just to be clear, you truly believe Jeff $$ Long - the person who got rid of slobbering hog, added front facing hog, etc. (a clear champion of history) and whose every move was driven by profit even to the extent he put PEPSI at games much to fans chagrin (which I don't blame him for that is his job, and short of the CBB contract, he was objectively extremely good at it)  - would turn down the opportunity to sell 12 more suites...in the name / spirit of history? Rice I know you cannot actually believe that. If we could have filled those suites they would have been built.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2018, 08:07:47 pm
So, just to be clear, you truly believe Jeff $$ Long - the person who got rid of slobbering hog, added front facing hog, etc. (a clear champion of history) and whose every move was driven by profit even to the extent he put PEPSI at games much to fans chagrin (which I don't blame him for that is his job, and short of the CBB contract, he was objectively extremely good at it)  - would turn down the opportunity to sell 12 more suites...in the name / spirit of history? Rice I know you cannot actually believe that. If we could have filled those suites they would have been built.

Jeff Long didn't design it, but I think you knew that, just as he didn't do the Pepsi contract, which was a University decision.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: VirginiaHog on January 31, 2018, 11:48:00 pm
So, just to be clear, you truly believe Jeff $$ Long - the person who got rid of slobbering hog, added front facing hog, etc. (a clear champion of history) and whose every move was driven by profit even to the extent he put PEPSI at games much to fans chagrin (which I don't blame him for that is his job, and short of the CBB contract, he was objectively extremely good at it)  - would turn down the opportunity to sell 12 more suites...in the name / spirit of history? Rice I know you cannot actually believe that. If we could have filled those suites they would have been built.
It was designed intentionally. Not a lack of money. Not a lack of potential selling of suites. Or any other reason than to preserve the Northeast look in. Period.
Ps. There have been many times I have had friends or family in and taken them to that corner to sight see and take pictures. Many many people do.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Haters gonna hate on January 31, 2018, 11:52:28 pm
That gap still bugs me.
Me too. Any clue when they may close it all in? Seems awfully silly to waste that space.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Haters gonna hate on January 31, 2018, 11:53:32 pm
Ha!  Yes a bit dramatic but I’m sure you know what I mean … whether you like the look or not, its a neat experience for the young and old to be able to look into the stadium from the northeast corner when visiting the U of A campus.
Buy a ticket
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Pork Twain on February 01, 2018, 08:49:10 am
For all of the pissing and moaning about our uniforms, from the 90/00 that look like Oklahomo and Bama, why would you eliminate the one thing about our university that makes us a little different and looks pretty cool?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 01, 2018, 09:46:39 am
So, just to be clear, you truly believe Jeff $$ Long - the person who got rid of slobbering hog, added front facing hog, etc. (a clear champion of history) and whose every move was driven by profit even to the extent he put PEPSI at games much to fans chagrin (which I don't blame him for that is his job, and short of the CBB contract, he was objectively extremely good at it)  - would turn down the opportunity to sell 12 more suites...in the name / spirit of history? Rice I know you cannot actually believe that. If we could have filled those suites they would have been built.
Could you be more full of ch*t?  He had nothing to do with the PEPSI contract.  If you had been part of the desgin team and privy to the results of the questionaires you would know that one of the top request was to find a way to not destroy the iconic view from the NE corner.  Jeff listening to the fans doesn't fit you agenda, so believe what you want, but quit regurgitating BS.  As for the slobbering hog, it needed to go as part of a plan to build a bigger brand.  One Razorback (no more Ladybacks), one running hog logo, one color of red, one font.  This is a 100+ million dollar business, it better be run like one or we will always be on the outside looking in.  BTW, where was the outrage when Broyles updated the cartoonish logo from the side of the helmet from 1964? There wasn't any because he talked like one of us, not some carpetbagger from Ohio. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: FraggleHog on February 01, 2018, 12:43:23 pm
For all of the pissing and moaning about our uniforms, from the 90/00 that look like Oklahomo and Bama, why would you eliminate the one thing about our university that makes us a little different and looks pretty cool?

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Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on February 01, 2018, 02:01:07 pm
dang, TeabowHater... you are a real piece of work.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: lechon on February 02, 2018, 06:45:32 am
Jeff Long didn't design it, but I think you knew that, just as he didn't do the Pepsi contract, which was a University decision.

No need to keep licking JL boots, he is LONG gone.....
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: twistitup on February 02, 2018, 07:25:44 am
I hope they remember cold water for the upper west
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 07:37:57 am
I hope they remember cold water for the upper west

Too expensive to use copper plumbing to get it up there. Gotta use Pex.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: twistitup on February 02, 2018, 07:42:36 am
Too expensive to use copper plumbing to get it up there. Gotta use Pex.

Can we get some hot coffee figured into the budget?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 02, 2018, 08:26:44 am
Can we get some hot coffee figured into the budget?

Sure. Call Wal-Mart I'm sure they have about 15,000 French Press coffee makers in stock........
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on February 02, 2018, 09:08:15 am
Sure. Call Wal-Mart I'm sure they have about 15,000 French Press coffee makers in stock........

No hyphen anymore, keep up......
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AP85 on February 02, 2018, 01:05:10 pm
Me too. Any clue when they may close it all in? Seems awfully silly to waste that space.

Gotta appease the “photographers” of the world....
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneLardAlmighty on February 02, 2018, 03:53:11 pm
Me too. Any clue when they may close it all in? Seems awfully silly to waste that space.

Why is a space with a great view of the field, where fans from anywhere in the stadium or every donor level can walk through, meet up with friends or stand and talk, or where vendors can set up, or where you could do any number of things that we haven't even thought of yet wasted space, but it wouldn't be a waste to build boxes for 12 more millionaires and their friends?

Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: goodguytex on February 04, 2018, 10:42:37 am
Looking at the progress of the construction, I wonder if they're on schedule or not. They've come a major long way, but not only the new expansion has to be completed, but there's supposed to be renovations made to the suites in the rest of the stadium too I believe. Seems like a whole lot to get done between now and end of august.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 06, 2018, 09:33:09 am
Things are starting to pick up again fellas. Check out the left side of the NEZ lower bowl. That cement got poured in about a day.
(http://)
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2018, 09:53:06 am
Things are starting to pick up again fellas. Check out the left side of the NEZ lower bowl. That cement got poured in about a day.
(http://)

Those are pre-cast pieces the crane is picking up and placing off of those flatbed trailers.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: spe450 on February 06, 2018, 09:55:04 am
Looking at the progress of the construction, I wonder if they're on schedule or not. They've come a major long way, but not only the new expansion has to be completed, but there's supposed to be renovations made to the suites in the rest of the stadium too I believe. Seems like a whole lot to get done between now and end of august.

I believe they are working on the other suites at the moment. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: twistitup on February 06, 2018, 10:04:15 am
Sure. Call Wal-Mart I'm sure they have about 15,000 French Press coffee makers in stock........

French Press
French Fries
French Bread (for the Ozark Cheesesteak)
French vanilla creamer for the coffee

Moving on up....do that deluxe upperdeck seating on the westside

Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on February 06, 2018, 10:51:18 am
Things are starting to pick up again fellas. Check out the left side of the NEZ lower bowl. That cement got poured in about a day.
(http://)

Whoa yeah that was fast. Very cool thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 09, 2018, 03:08:41 pm
More of the lower bowl has been put in place. The NEZ tunnel is there as well. Its getting to the point  where you can get an idea of how it will look in the end.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: rljjr on February 09, 2018, 03:40:26 pm
Look. They left that gap there for all the College game day crew setups we will have in this future! Thinking ahead! Ha!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: sowmonella on February 09, 2018, 03:43:41 pm
More of the lower bowl has been put in place. The NEZ tunnel is there as well. Its getting to the point  where you can get an idea of how it will look in the end.
I wish a pic from field level was available. Someone go down on the 50 and post a couple for us. What about that guy who kept going to Drake Field?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on February 09, 2018, 03:46:53 pm
I wish a pic from field level was available. Someone go down on the 50 and post a couple for us. What about that guy who kept going to Drake Field?

Was just thinking the same. Can’t wait to see the look from field level again with the new updates.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 09, 2018, 03:49:41 pm
Look. They left that gap there for all the College game day crew setups we will have in this future! Thinking ahead! Ha!
I know youre being facetious, but that actually would be a good spot for SEC gameday when they come next season
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: factchecker on February 09, 2018, 06:18:41 pm
I wish a pic from field level was available. Someone go down on the 50 and post a couple for us. What about that guy who kept going to Drake Field?

Found on instagram and twitter:

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(https://scontent-dft4-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/91aea2ffc6cd53155cdb455e084cced2/5AF17248/t51.2885-15/e35/26371645_1584022281684404_6610937400010997760_n.jpg)
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: elviscat on February 09, 2018, 06:26:01 pm
It's sad to spent that kind of money for only 3600 seats,it's crazy.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: factchecker on February 09, 2018, 06:35:27 pm
It's sad to spent that kind of money for only 3600 seats,it's crazy.

And a new football center, game-day locker rooms (needed badly), elevators, big screen......
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: rljjr on February 09, 2018, 06:35:55 pm
I know youre being facetious, but that actually would be a good spot for SEC gameday when they come next season

Yeah, it really would. Here's hoping we become so good that game day can't stay away.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Oklahawg on February 09, 2018, 06:48:21 pm
So, just to be clear, you truly believe Jeff $$ Long - the person who got rid of slobbering hog, added front facing hog, etc. (a clear champion of history) and whose every move was driven by profit even to the extent he put PEPSI at games much to fans chagrin (which I don't blame him for that is his job, and short of the CBB contract, he was objectively extremely good at it)  - would turn down the opportunity to sell 12 more suites...in the name / spirit of history? Rice I know you cannot actually believe that. If we could have filled those suites they would have been built.

We haven't had a "carpet bagger" moment in a few hours.

Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: factchecker on February 09, 2018, 06:51:22 pm
Watch this whole video:

https://twitter.com/BDunnsports/status/962111773250871296

Recruits pay attention to facilities.

You can hate the coach.

You can hate the athletic director.

Fans should always support facility improvements because they help with recruiting and will last longer than any coach or AD.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bphi11ips on February 09, 2018, 07:04:42 pm
Watch this whole video:

https://twitter.com/BDunnsports/status/962111773250871296

Recruits pay attention to facilities.

You can hate the coach.

You can hate the athletic director.

Fans should always support facility improvements because they help with recruiting and will last longer than any coach or AD.

Wow. Love this young man. Thanks for posting.

He’s right about facilities. Arkansas’s are as good as they get, as is the academic support.

The new NEZ improvements will have a big impact on recruiting in 2019 and beyond. It’s an exciting time to be a Razorbacks fan.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: factchecker on February 09, 2018, 07:08:03 pm
Wow. Love this young man. Thanks for posting.

He’s right about facilities. Arkansas’s are as good as they get, as is the academic support.

The new NEZ improvements will have a big impact on recruiting in 2019 and beyond. It’s an exciting time to be a Razorbacks fan.

You probably have a better idea than any of us about the facilities.  :)

Congratulations on your son choosing to be a Razorback!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bphi11ips on February 09, 2018, 07:21:09 pm
You probably have a better idea than any of us about the facilities.  :)

Congratulations on your son choosing to be a Razorback!

Thanks! 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 10, 2018, 07:30:39 am
And a new football center, game-day locker rooms (needed badly), elevators, big screen......

Don't forget a new kitchen for Twist.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Springfield_MO_Razorback on February 13, 2018, 12:10:01 pm
My wife and I will be making the trip down for the basketball game this Saturday. I signed us up for the event going on at DWRRS that day:

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/february-17-showcase-event/

For some of the activities like taking pictures on the field, kicking the 30 yard field goal, are those limited to people that place deposits only? On the first bullet point it states to be entered into a drawing you have to place a deposit for club seats. Does that apply for the drawing only or the rest of the bullet points? Just curious if anyone on here has further info about this event otherwise stated on the website. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: redleg on February 13, 2018, 01:54:41 pm
We haven't had a "carpet bagger" moment in a few hours.


Holy crap! I had forgotten just how racist some of those old Looney Tunes cartoons were!  :o  Wow!
Still love Bugs and Sam, though.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Tejano Jawg on February 13, 2018, 02:05:27 pm
Holy crap! I had forgotten just how racist some of those old Looney Tunes cartoons were!  :o  Wow!
Still love Bugs and Sam, though.

LOL. But it would have been better if Bugs had called it "The War of Northern Aggression."
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 16, 2018, 08:34:10 am
DWR 2-16 Update
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on February 16, 2018, 01:34:27 pm
Hawk or something on the south facing camera now.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: sowmonella on February 16, 2018, 02:02:00 pm
Hawk or something on the south facing camera now.
Cheatin Auburn at it again.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boardon Hamsay on February 16, 2018, 08:02:15 pm
I hate it too, but I get smited everytime I mention it.  It looks like we ran out of money.  The only reason that is considered a "tradition" is because we didn't have a complete stadium.  Kinda like my dads old truck had a tradition of rolling down the windows when it was hot. The tradition went away when he finally bought one with a/c.

Pretty cool that the old truck would roll it’s own windows down when it was hot. I’d have kept it...
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 22, 2018, 08:01:09 am
Looks like the standing room only area flooded with all the rain yesterday/last night
(http://)
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on February 22, 2018, 08:51:59 am
Looks like the standing room only area flooded with all the rain yesterday/last night
(http://)

Ha how about that. Too bad it isn’t freezing now and we could get a little ice skating going up there.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on February 22, 2018, 09:34:45 am
Ha how about that. Too bad it isn’t freezing now and we could get a little ice skating going up there.
That's a floodable moat to keep the riff-raff out, just testing it.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ballinhog on February 22, 2018, 10:08:31 am
Wish we would get a new field, I like natural grass. Also wish we would paint the end zones red with white letters.

Yea yea I know that's ticky. I don't care
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 22, 2018, 10:24:22 am
Wish we would get a new field, I like natural grass. Also wish we would paint the end zones red with white letters.

Yea yea I know that's ticky. I don't care
I believe theres a contract for the artificial field. Cant get grass until that contract ends
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on February 22, 2018, 10:25:15 am
Wish we would get a new field, I like natural grass. Also wish we would paint the end zones red with white letters.

Yea yea I know that's ticky. I don't care

We're getting new turf, the font is to match the current font on our jerseys.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Tejano Jawg on February 22, 2018, 10:27:42 am
Looks like the standing room only area flooded with all the rain yesterday/last night

I like the ideas of making this area an intentional, designed 'water feature.' When it's still, it makes a nice reflecting pool. And, it could have dancing fountains like the Bellagio Hotel...they could go off after touchdowns.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on February 22, 2018, 11:04:36 am
That's a floodable moat to keep the riff-raff out, just testing it.

Lol  8)
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ballinhog on February 22, 2018, 12:32:19 pm
We're getting new turf, the font is to match the current font on our jerseys.

Well maybe the end zones will be red lol
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: LZH on February 22, 2018, 12:34:45 pm

It's gonna really suck having those light blue panels
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: woodhog14 on February 22, 2018, 12:38:12 pm
We're getting new turf, the font is to match the current font on our jerseys.
I hate that font. Looks terrible on our uniforms...especially the baseball uniforms.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on February 22, 2018, 12:54:45 pm
That's a floodable moat to keep the riff-raff out, just testing it.

So you won't be needing my pond this fall?  Thank goodness; the fish were complaining about the smell last year.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: SooieGeneris on February 22, 2018, 12:55:38 pm
Cheatin Auburn at it again.

Yeah, we better hope that hawk doesn't have a video camera on it somewhere. They better hope we don't have their crew working on the elevators in that new section..
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: oldhawg on February 22, 2018, 01:37:23 pm
Yeah, we better hope that hawk doesn't have a video camera on it somewhere. They better hope we don't have their crew working on the elevators in that new section..

When headphones quit working for one team, the refs make the other team stop using them also.  I've always thought the the Auburn coaches working up in the box that day should have been made to go stand in an elevator somewhere until the situation was resolved.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Corkscrew Johnson on February 22, 2018, 01:40:57 pm
I like the ideas of making this area an intentional, designed 'water feature.' When it's still, it makes a nice reflecting pool. And, it could have dancing fountains like the Bellagio Hotel...they could go off after touchdowns.

I like my Jesus wearing a tuxedo t-shirt.  Because it says like, I want to be formal, but I'm here to party.  I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party. 
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: razorbackfaninar on February 22, 2018, 01:50:18 pm
Wish we would get a new field, I like natural grass. Also wish we would paint the end zones red with white letters.

Yea yea I know that's ticky. I don't care

I don't know for sure, but I would bet we don't get natural grass any time soon.  If I recall, one of the reasons we went to turf is that it plays a little faster.  I could be wrong but I thought that was something  Petrino said at the time.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on February 22, 2018, 03:09:40 pm
I don't know for sure, but I would bet we don't get natural grass any time soon.  If I recall, one of the reasons we went to turf is that it plays a little faster.  I could be wrong but I thought that was something  Petrino said at the time.

I believe the current turf was installed in 2008 and Petrino did prefer turf over grass. It's 10 years old which is time for replacement. When asked when the font would be changed to match the current font, Long has replied when we change the turf in 2018.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: FraggleHog on February 22, 2018, 04:04:16 pm
I believe the current turf was installed in 2008 and Petrino did prefer turf over grass. It's 10 years old which is time for replacement. When asked when the font would be changed to match the current font, Long has replied when we change the turf in 2018.

Cue the "Our Turf looks Crappy on TV" comments in 3....2.....
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on February 22, 2018, 05:25:42 pm
Sorry I haven't kept up. Will this be completed this year?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GoHogzzGo on February 22, 2018, 05:39:22 pm
Sorry I haven't kept up. Will this be completed this year?

Yup supposed to be done before game 1. Can’t wait.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: bphi11ips on February 22, 2018, 05:42:57 pm
Yeah, we better hope that hawk doesn't have a video camera on it somewhere. They better hope we don't have their crew working on the elevators in that new section..

Looks more like a pigeon to me. Homing pigeon?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on February 22, 2018, 08:33:17 pm
Yup supposed to be done before game 1. Can’t wait.
Awesome thank you!
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Cotton on February 23, 2018, 08:12:41 am
Cue the "Our Turf looks Crappy on TV" comments in 3....2.....
I mean it does....
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on February 23, 2018, 08:48:29 am
I mean it does....
No it doesn't, and theres nothing wrong with the font on our jerseys. People just have to have something to complain about  ::)
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Cotton on February 23, 2018, 09:14:16 am
No it doesn't, and theres nothing wrong with the font on our jerseys. People just have to have something to complain about  ::)
I haven't complained about the font, even though its not my favorite.

But the turf looks awful on TV. Idk if it's the angle of the lights hitting it or what
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on February 23, 2018, 09:17:35 am
I haven't complained about the font, even though its not my favorite.

But the turf looks awful on TV. Idk if it's the angle of the lights hitting it or what

I think it's the lights, the turf looks fine except for night games, too shiny??
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 23, 2018, 09:24:14 am
So you won't be needing my pond this fall?  Thank goodness; the fish were complaining about the smell last year.

Pool.......pond.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 23, 2018, 09:26:06 am
I think it's the lights, the turf looks fine except for night games, too shiny??

They are elimating flood lights to save money to pay for the expansion. New requirement.....all fans attending a night game must use their smartphone flashlight to light the field.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on February 23, 2018, 09:40:11 am
Coach Morris wants speed, turf is faster than grass and allows for more practice inside the stadium.  We will be staying with turf.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 23, 2018, 09:49:00 am
Coach Morris wants speed, turf is faster than grass and allows for more practice inside the stadium.  We will be staying with turf.

Both teams have to play on the same surface. No advantage either way.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: jgphillips3 on February 23, 2018, 09:53:11 am
I haven't complained about the font, even though its not my favorite.

But the turf looks awful on TV. Idk if it's the angle of the lights hitting it or what

Well, with the crap that was on display on that field the past few years, that may have something to do with it.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 23, 2018, 10:01:43 am
No it doesn't, and theres nothing wrong with the font on our jerseys. People just have to have something to complain about  ::)
Pretty sure we bitched about the "Changes" that were forced down our throats at the time the ram rod left it's holster. We liked the way things were. Slobbering hog, uniforms, the Hog leaning on the A etc... We didn't need a special font.! The world has too many of them already.
 Look... If I get my family all packed up for a vacation and take them to Pine Bluff when we've been going to Lake Catherine every year, and they bitch about it; Who's the A-hole..?
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Cotton on February 23, 2018, 01:46:22 pm
I think it's the lights, the turf looks fine except for night games, too shiny??
Probably so. I've noticed a few other teams have that trouble too.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 23, 2018, 02:01:50 pm
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: NoogaHog on February 23, 2018, 02:17:21 pm
Pretty sure we bitched about the "Changes" that were forced down our throats at the time the ram rod left it's holster. We liked the way things were. Slobbering hog, uniforms, the Hog leaning on the A etc... We didn't need a special font.! The world has too many of them already.
 Look... If I get my family all packed up for a vacation and take them to Pine Bluff when we've been going to Lake Catherine every year, and they bitch about it; Who's the A-hole..?

I'm not sure what your point is. This is my hometown. Who wouldn't want to be there?

https://youtu.be/iyMcSHS4oww
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: NoogaHog on February 23, 2018, 02:43:10 pm

Holy cow! Somebody call Jerruh and Sam's kids! Let's pony up for that bad boy! Think of all the Frito Pies and Pepsi's that Twist could sell with the ads running on the field during the game. This was obviously a missed opportunity by our previous AD.

ALL. THE. PETIT. JEAN. MEATS!!!

(BTW, is this a real thing? Because it sounds like something out of a Mike Judge movie)
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 23, 2018, 02:50:43 pm
I'm not sure what your point is. This is my hometown. Who wouldn't want to be there?

https://youtu.be/iyMcSHS4oww


Everybody but you.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: NoogaHog on February 23, 2018, 02:58:10 pm
Everybody but you.

Oh, I was being sarcastic. I don't live there any more. I left town in 1986. I still have family there and visit from time to time, but I have absolutely no urge to go back to live.

It is really sad to see what it has become. The video I linked makes me sick and sad.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: ricepig on February 23, 2018, 03:22:23 pm
I'm not sure what your point is. This is my hometown. Who wouldn't want to be there?

https://youtu.be/iyMcSHS4oww


Yeah, just ski that little oxbow lake instead of Lake Catherine, after 10 beers you can't tell the difference.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: GuvHog on February 23, 2018, 03:30:24 pm
Oh, I was being sarcastic. I don't live there any more. I left town in 1986. I still have family there and visit from time to time, but I have absolutely no urge to go back to live.

It is really sad to see what it has become. The video I linked makes me sick and sad.

I live 3 miles west of Pine Bluff. You're right, the downtown area is indeed pretty sad.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: NoogaHog on February 23, 2018, 03:43:00 pm
I live 3 miles west of Pine Bluff. You're right, the downtown area is indeed pretty sad.

I have lived outside Chattanooga, TN, for about 20 years. I love this area and I am still shocked every time I go back to Pine Bluff at the difference between there and here.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 23, 2018, 04:21:18 pm
Oh, I was being sarcastic. I don't live there any more. I left town in 1986. I still have family there and visit from time to time, but I have absolutely no urge to go back to live.

It is really sad to see what it has become. The video I linked makes me sick and sad.

I figured you were joking. But it was to easy to type my post.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: Inhogswetrust on February 23, 2018, 04:23:22 pm
I live 3 miles west of Pine Bluff. You're right, the downtown area is indeed pretty sad.

Ummmmm not just downtown.
Title: Re: DWR Expansion
Post by: NoogaHog on February 23, 2018, 04:43:22 pm
Ummmmm not just downtown.

Yeah, even what was the nicer parts of town are not so nice anymore.