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Title: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on November 10, 2017, 12:10:52 pm
Leadership development is what I do. When I work with leaders who are new to an organization and they ask me what to do first, my answer is to listen and learn. Don't go in swinging a big stick and making moves; learn something about the culture, traditions, and people. Otherwise, you're going to be walking blind without a cane, pissing people off, and setting yourself up for failure. That failure might come right away, or it might take awhile, but it will happen...all because the leader was tone deaf from the word go.

Jeff Long made a critical error early on; operating under the cover of the man who hired him, Long overplayed his hand. In an effort to rid the Broyles Complex of influence in the wake of Houston Nutt's departure, Long pissed people off. Treated them shabbily. Long-term members of the Razorback Family were kicked to the curb. Did he really think those people would just shrug their shoulders and shuffle off into the sunset? If so, he committed a grievous error. No, those people will keep their powder dry and wait for the right time. When they get their shot, and they usually will, they take it. In a sense, Jeff Long may be the last casualty of Houston Nutt's time at UA.

When a leader cloaks an organization under the mantle of integrity, he or she takes a huge risk. People are human. They make mistakes, they have errors in judgment, they screw up. Any person who puts themselves on a pedestal will eventually be eating dirt. There is a man in Louisville, Kentucky who could commiserate with our current AD about that.

The same sort of statement can be made about branding. If a leader is going to preach "uncommon," it becomes incumbent on him to be so and to produce a product that is. Otherwise, his own words come back to haunt him.   
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Seebs on November 10, 2017, 12:15:11 pm
Great words Wilson.   
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 12:17:52 pm
Paging Butch Jones.

Spot on analysis, btw.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: pigheaded on November 10, 2017, 12:19:09 pm
Revenge is a dish best served cold
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 12:20:04 pm
Leadership is also about recognizing and correcting mistakes as soon as possible all the while admitting your responsibility in making them. We'll find out if that happens the week after the last game.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 12:20:29 pm
PS: Excellent post.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on November 10, 2017, 12:25:32 pm
Leadership is also about recognizing and correcting mistakes as soon as possible all the while admitting your responsibility in making them. We'll find out if that happens the week after the last game.

I believe that train has left the station.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on November 10, 2017, 12:26:29 pm
Leadership development is what I do. When I work with leaders who are new to an organization and they ask me what to do first, my answer is to listen and learn. Don't go in swinging a big stick and making moves; learn something about the culture, traditions, and people. Otherwise, you're going to be walking blind without a cane, pissing people off, and setting yourself up for failure. That failure might come right away, or it might take awhile, but it will happen...all because the leader was tone deaf from the word go.

Jeff Long made a critical error early on; operating under the cover of the man who hired him, Long overplayed his hand. In an effort to rid the Broyles Complex of influence in the wake of Houston Nutt's departure, Long pissed people off. Treated them shabbily. Long-term members of the Razorback Family were kicked to the curb. Did he really think those people would just shrug their shoulders and shuffle off into the sunset? If so, he committed a grievous error. No, those people will keep their powder dry and wait for the right time. When they get their shot, and they usually will, they take it. In a sense, Jeff Long may be the last casualty of Houston Nutt's time at UA.

When a leader cloaks an organization under the mantle of integrity, he or she takes a huge risk. People are human. They make mistakes, they have errors in judgment, they screw up. Any person who puts themselves on a pedestal will eventually be eating dirt. There is a man in Louisville, Kentucky who could commiserate with our current AD about that.

The same sort of statement can be made about branding. If a leader is going to preach "uncommon," it becomes incumbent on him to be so and to produce a product that is. Otherwise, his own words come back to haunt him.
According to Wisconsin fans, that was bielemas 1st mistake as Arkansas head coach
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: jgphillips3 on November 10, 2017, 12:26:55 pm
Good post.  If you ride the guillotine to power, you will ride it to your demise eventually.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: BR on November 10, 2017, 12:28:46 pm
Leadership development is what I do. When I work with leaders who are new to an organization and they ask me what to do first, my answer is to listen and learn. Don't go in swinging a big stick and making moves; learn something about the culture, traditions, and people. Otherwise, you're going to be walking blind without a cane, pissing people off, and setting yourself up for failure. That failure might come right away, or it might take awhile, but it will happen...all because the leader was tone deaf from the word go.

Jeff Long made a critical error early on; operating under the cover of the man who hired him, Long overplayed his hand. In an effort to rid the Broyles Complex of influence in the wake of Houston Nutt's departure, Long pissed people off. Treated them shabbily. Long-term members of the Razorback Family were kicked to the curb. Did he really think those people would just shrug their shoulders and shuffle off into the sunset? If so, he committed a grievous error. No, those people will keep their powder dry and wait for the right time. When they get their shot, and they usually will, they take it. In a sense, Jeff Long may be the last casualty of Houston Nutt's time at UA.

When a leader cloaks an organization under the mantle of integrity, he or she takes a huge risk. People are human. They make mistakes, they have errors in judgment, they screw up. Any person who puts themselves on a pedestal will eventually be eating dirt. There is a man in Louisville, Kentucky who could commiserate with our current AD about that.

The same sort of statement can be made about branding. If a leader is going to preach "uncommon," it becomes incumbent on him to be so and to produce a product that is. Otherwise, his own words come back to haunt him.   
  Very Nice...
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on November 10, 2017, 12:30:10 pm
Revenge is a dish best served cold

  ..."Vengeance is mine; I will repay", saith the Lord...
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 12:37:51 pm
Leadership development is what I do. When I work with leaders who are new to an organization and they ask me what to do first, my answer is to listen and learn. Don't go in swinging a big stick and making moves; learn something about the culture, traditions, and people. Otherwise, you're going to be walking blind without a cane, pissing people off, and setting yourself up for failure. That failure might come right away, or it might take awhile, but it will happen...all because the leader was tone deaf from the word go.

Jeff Long made a critical error early on; operating under the cover of the man who hired him, Long overplayed his hand. In an effort to rid the Broyles Complex of influence in the wake of Houston Nutt's departure, Long pissed people off. Treated them shabbily. Long-term members of the Razorback Family were kicked to the curb. Did he really think those people would just shrug their shoulders and shuffle off into the sunset? If so, he committed a grievous error. No, those people will keep their powder dry and wait for the right time. When they get their shot, and they usually will, they take it. In a sense, Jeff Long may be the last casualty of Houston Nutt's time at UA.

When a leader cloaks an organization under the mantle of integrity, he or she takes a huge risk. People are human. They make mistakes, they have errors in judgment, they screw up. Any person who puts themselves on a pedestal will eventually be eating dirt. There is a man in Louisville, Kentucky who could commiserate with our current AD about that.

The same sort of statement can be made about branding. If a leader is going to preach "uncommon," it becomes incumbent on him to be so and to produce a product that is. Otherwise, his own words come back to haunt him.

This seems to be exactly what Jeff is dealing with today. 

Typically too, those long term members in large part are successful in business, they're politically astute and know how to play the waiting and attack game. 
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Sundog on November 10, 2017, 12:39:01 pm
Leadership development is what I do. When I work with leaders who are new to an organization and they ask me what to do first, my answer is to listen and learn. Don't go in swinging a big stick and making moves; learn something about the culture, traditions, and people. Otherwise, you're going to be walking blind without a cane, pissing people off, and setting yourself up for failure. That failure might come right away, or it might take awhile, but it will happen...all because the leader was tone deaf from the word go.

Jeff Long made a critical error early on; operating under the cover of the man who hired him, Long overplayed his hand. In an effort to rid the Broyles Complex of influence in the wake of Houston Nutt's departure, Long pissed people off. Treated them shabbily. Long-term members of the Razorback Family were kicked to the curb. Did he really think those people would just shrug their shoulders and shuffle off into the sunset? If so, he committed a grievous error. No, those people will keep their powder dry and wait for the right time. When they get their shot, and they usually will, they take it. In a sense, Jeff Long may be the last casualty of Houston Nutt's time at UA.

When a leader cloaks an organization under the mantle of integrity, he or she takes a huge risk. People are human. They make mistakes, they have errors in judgment, they screw up. Any person who puts themselves on a pedestal will eventually be eating dirt. There is a man in Louisville, Kentucky who could commiserate with our current AD about that.

The same sort of statement can be made about branding. If a leader is going to preach "uncommon," it becomes incumbent on him to be so and to produce a product that is. Otherwise, his own words come back to haunt him.

Dilly, Dilly to you, sir. 👏
Correct on all fronts.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 12:49:12 pm
Good post.  If you ride the guillotine to power, you will ride it to your demise eventually.

Ooh. I'm stealing that quote. Nice!
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: jkstock04 on November 10, 2017, 12:49:23 pm
He pissed a lot of people off, especially the first year or so. Basically ran off John McDonnell.

When someone new comes in on a deal like that you gotta think changes are going to be inevitable. But I think some of that transition was a bit loud and brash.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: HoginMemphis on November 10, 2017, 12:51:30 pm
Revenge is a dish best served cold
This always sounds so cool, but WTH does it really mean? Cold revenge? What is that? I first heard it in the 2nd Star Trek movie back in the '80's. Khan said it.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Porkette on November 10, 2017, 01:02:56 pm
This probably would have all come to a head earlier if the Petrino hire had never happened. Even though by most accounts he wasn't who Long wanted, that hire was his first really visible act as AD. The excitement and the winning in football staved it all off for a few years.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: IronHog on November 10, 2017, 01:08:48 pm
According to Wisconsin fans, that was bielemas 1st mistake as Arkansas head coach


Why Norvell is a top choice for new coach....


Arkansas is a weird place.  Outsiders probably won’t adapt
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: IronHog on November 10, 2017, 01:09:39 pm
This probably would have all come to a head earlier if the Petrino hire had never happened. Even though by most accounts he wasn't who Long wanted, that hire was his first really visible act as AD. The excitement and the winning in football staved it all off for a few years.


Anyone that followed JFB/GOB network had a tough row to hoe
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: 247Hog on November 10, 2017, 01:09:49 pm
Well done Wilson.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: wildhogman on November 10, 2017, 01:09:51 pm
This always sounds so cool, but WTH does it really mean? Cold revenge? What is that? I first heard it in the 2nd Star Trek movie back in the '80's. Khan said it.
It means if your seeking revenge for a slight, don't rush in right away hot headed. Take you're time, think things out, plan, check each detail. savor the entire event. Don't just shoot the boy, but enjoy watching him twist in the wind squirming as the fire grows around him. A cold dish means your not out of your head revenge minded.  Your cold, cruel calculating and efficient. Like Jeff is finding out about his enemies now
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: daBoar on November 10, 2017, 01:18:16 pm
The same sort of statement can be made about branding. If a leader is going to preach "uncommon," it becomes incumbent on him to be so and to produce a product that is. Otherwise, his own words come back to haunt him.   
Sadly, the team is uncommon in the SEC West.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Kevin on November 10, 2017, 01:24:20 pm
well said.

long did what white wanted. but treating our traditions, and people rudely, changing them & running them off was a bad move.

bringing back the slobberin hog
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Hogblog on November 10, 2017, 01:29:38 pm
Leadership development is what I do. When I work with leaders who are new to an organization and they ask me what to do first, my answer is to listen and learn. Don't go in swinging a big stick and making moves; learn something about the culture, traditions, and people. Otherwise, you're going to be walking blind without a cane, pissing people off, and setting yourself up for failure. That failure might come right away, or it might take awhile, but it will happen...all because the leader was tone deaf from the word go.

Jeff Long made a critical error early on; operating under the cover of the man who hired him, Long overplayed his hand. In an effort to rid the Broyles Complex of influence in the wake of Houston Nutt's departure, Long pissed people off. Treated them shabbily. Long-term members of the Razorback Family were kicked to the curb. Did he really think those people would just shrug their shoulders and shuffle off into the sunset? If so, he committed a grievous error. No, those people will keep their powder dry and wait for the right time. When they get their shot, and they usually will, they take it. In a sense, Jeff Long may be the last casualty of Houston Nutt's time at UA.

When a leader cloaks an organization under the mantle of integrity, he or she takes a huge risk. People are human. They make mistakes, they have errors in judgment, they screw up. Any person who puts themselves on a pedestal will eventually be eating dirt. There is a man in Louisville, Kentucky who could commiserate with our current AD about that.

The same sort of statement can be made about branding. If a leader is going to preach "uncommon," it becomes incumbent on him to be so and to produce a product that is. Otherwise, his own words come back to haunt him.   

+1000
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Cylinder on November 10, 2017, 01:39:46 pm
This always sounds so cool, but WTH does it really mean? Cold revenge? What is that? I first heard it in the 2nd Star Trek movie back in the '80's. Khan said it.

It's a bit older that Wrath.

It means that exacting immediate revenge at the point of insult can be rash and instinctual - an emotional response at the time your enemy may be prepared for or expecting it.

Revenge detached from the original insult shows dedication to the vengeance, is more calculated and occurs at a time a person is less prepared, expecting or capable.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: HoginMemphis on November 10, 2017, 01:40:51 pm
It means if your seeking revenge for a slight, don't rush in right away hot headed. Take you're time, think things out, plan, check each detail. savor the entire event. Don't just shoot the boy, but enjoy watching him twist in the wind squirming as the fire grows around him. A cold dish means your not out of your head revenge minded.  Your cold, cruel calculating and efficient. Like Jeff is finding out about his enemies now
Ah, excellent! Good definition of that phrase. Thanks.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Rudy Baylor on November 10, 2017, 01:42:18 pm
This always sounds so cool, but WTH does it really mean? Cold revenge? What is that? I first heard it in the 2nd Star Trek movie back in the '80's. Khan said it.


Revenge, once enacted, is not sweet
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Karma on November 10, 2017, 01:45:45 pm
I believe that train has left the station.
Very good OP.

Do you think the train has left just for Bielema, or Long too?
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on November 10, 2017, 01:48:44 pm
Very good OP.

Do you think the train has left just for Bielema, or Long too?

I believe for both.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: EastexHawg on November 10, 2017, 01:51:02 pm
Very good OP.

Do you think the train has left just for Bielema, or Long too?

Wilson can speak for himself, but it seems obvious it was aimed at Long.  I don't think anyone would bother to post it about Bielema because I think we all know he is history.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: snoblind on November 10, 2017, 01:58:00 pm
Excellent post.  Folks like to point out college athletics is a business now.  But this isn't a business where the person just rides in to chops off heads and the causalities move on to other jobs.  In some form or fashion most all the people are still around.   

The foundation president that got pushed out has a foundation/former team full of friends that are still donors/season ticket holders.  A former All-American that gets ignored or insulted may end up as a BOT member. A hall of fame coach's wishes get tossed aside so one's "own man" gets the job.  The examples go on and on.   
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: oldhog63 on November 10, 2017, 02:05:03 pm
This always sounds so cool, but WTH does it really mean? Cold revenge? What is that? I first heard it in the 2nd Star Trek movie back in the '80's. Khan said it.
Means it is often more satisfying if it is not done immediately and when it is least expected.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Oklahawg on November 10, 2017, 02:08:29 pm

Anyone that followed JFB/GOB network had a tough row to hoe

Amen. That he lasted this long is amazing.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: bphi11ips on November 10, 2017, 02:22:44 pm
This always sounds so cool, but WTH does it really mean? Cold revenge? What is that? I first heard it in the 2nd Star Trek movie back in the '80's. Khan said it.

It's something they teach in the Senate.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: HogFoo on November 10, 2017, 02:25:27 pm
This always sounds so cool, but WTH does it really mean? Cold revenge? What is that? I first heard it in the 2nd Star Trek movie back in the '80's. Khan said it.
Lots of good replies on this meaning. Yes, it is actually a very old statement. I believe it actually goes back to ancient China.  Or at least a version of it does.  But, mainly it means, and I didn't see too many mention this part.  It means wait until the person you plan vengeance against forgets about it.  Cold as in, not on their mind any longer.  At that point, they are not prepared for any retribution, because the offense they did has gone "cold " no longer fresh or warm on their mind.  Think of it like old timers and food.  The longer a steak has sit on a table uneaten, the colder it gets.  Thus, when the person you seek revenge is fully unaware, completely oblivious of past ,you inflict revenge, totally surprising them and usually leading to complete and sounding victory, or enacted revenge.  So, wait, take your time, plot, plan, enact!  :)
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 02:25:35 pm
It's something they teach in the Senate.

I thought you were going to say the second grade.....
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Oklahawg on November 10, 2017, 02:28:45 pm
I thought you were going to say the second grade.....

Second grade? Oh, no, senators rarely learn past kindergarten.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Oklahawg on November 10, 2017, 02:31:33 pm
There is an old adage, "never follow a legend."

Shudder to be Didi Gregorius - he followed Derek Jeter.

Bobby Murcer failed to follow Mickey Mantle.

It was bold (maybe even ballsy) to take on the legacy of Broyles. "Take on" does not mean challenge, but simply to hold those reins in your hand and try to keep the thundering herd moving along.

My prediction to Wilson was maybe three years. He made it 10. I bet he retires in NWA at some point, and look back with pride on many things. Being the guy that followed Broyles will haunt him until he leaves.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Calling All Hogs on November 10, 2017, 02:32:21 pm
I doubt Long's next job will be as an AD. He rose to fame as the AD who fired Petrino and thus put doing the right thing above winning. Lou Holtz also became famous at Arkansas for his "do right rule" which caught the attention at the time of both the nation and Notre Dame. The difference is that Lou did right by suspending his players and yet won in spite of it. Long fired Petrino but went on to having a football program that has struggled for years since. Doing right is all good and well to those not effected by this bravery, but no major football program wants an AD whose doing right results in years of poor performance. I noticed when Long's name was briefly connected to Nebraska, he name got a poor reception with Nebraska fans.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: bphi11ips on November 10, 2017, 02:37:58 pm
I thought you were going to say the second grade.....

Thought you might reply to that ...
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: EastexHawg on November 10, 2017, 02:55:20 pm
There is an old adage, "never follow a legend."

Shudder to be Didi Gregorius - he followed Derek Jeter.

Bobby Murcer failed to follow Mickey Mantle.

Off topic, I know, but from 1939 to 1989...other than during WWII and the Korean War...three men played most every game in left field for the Red Sox:

Ted Williams
Carl Yastrzemski
Jim Rice

All three are Hall of Famers.  Williams is (in my opinion) one of the two greatest hitters who ever lived so the guys who succeeded him had mammoth shoes to fill.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: 12247 on November 10, 2017, 02:57:41 pm
There was a lot of things done wrong with Long and Bret. 

Long made a huge point in firing Petrino when most ADs would not have.  He built an immediate legacy that he couldn't live up to.  He said, among other things, by firing Bobby, that you do not get a second chance if the infraction is heavy.  Then he makes a few average to bad hires and then a really bad hire.  Hes now made a heavy mistake and needs to heed his own rules.

Bret sort of done the same.  Statements about taking us to places we haven't yet been, closing practice and mostly keeping it closed, not only not winning but not winning bad and ugly.  Playing his favs over the talented.  Bret signed on with Long when he sent the love letter. 

Many of us see 2 peas in a pod.  We don't want either.  Basic rule.  If you run your mouth, cover your ass.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Skandar Jackson on November 10, 2017, 03:01:13 pm
My natural inclination is to always disagree with what you say and to let what you say go in one ear and out the other. 

But I’ll give the devil his due on this one.  Wise words and about as accurate as a boss in here can be.  Good work, Wilson. 
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: hawgfan4life on November 10, 2017, 03:14:12 pm
All of that is all fine and good.  Very relevant with the circumstances, but would have been irrelevant had BB continued the steady improvement he made in the first three years.  For whatever reasons, the success reversed course, the confidence and support with it, and now we are facing the replacement of the HC and possibly the AD along with him.  Just goes to prove the thin margin between success and failure at that level. 
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Oklahawg on November 10, 2017, 03:16:01 pm
Off topic, I know, but from 1939 to 1989...other than during WWII and the Korean War...three men played most every game in left field for the Red Sox:

Ted Williams
Carl Yastrzemski
Jim Rice

All three are Hall of Famers.  Williams is (in my opinion) one of the two greatest hitters who ever lived so the guys who succeeded him had mammoth shoes to fill.


So true.

Some franchises can do it - Lakers replaced Wilt with Jabbar and then with Magic and then with Kobe (and some help from the league office). Orioles still looking for Cal Ripken, Bears still seeking Walter Payton.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Oklahawg on November 10, 2017, 03:17:52 pm
Basic rule.  If you run your mouth, cover your ass.

Don't necessarily agree with the whole post but agree with this!

Bret did a couple of things that hurt him from the gitgo:
1. weight management
2. talking about his former school too much
3. not truly appreciating the impact of the undermanned Arkansas HS football scene
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: bphi11ips on November 10, 2017, 03:35:14 pm
Don't necessarily agree with the whole post but agree with this!

Bret did a couple of things that hurt him from the gitgo:
1. weight management
2. talking about his former school too much
3. not truly appreciating the impact of the undermanned Arkansas HS football scene

Whoaaa there Mr. Oklahoma.  Not sure what you mean by number 3.  If CBB made a mistake where the Arkansas high school scene is concerned it was in failing to appreciate the talent in a population of 3,000,000 (500,000 African Americans) with whom he had Saban-like power to point and click. That population and power is the sole factor that attracted Frank Broyles to Arkansas.  There are three rules to recruiting at Arkansas:

1.  Location
2.  Location
3.  Location

Houston Nutt promised to build a fence around the state.  One of the few things he did well at Arkansas.  When you let thoroughbreds like KJ Hill, Josh Frazier and Damarea Crockett graze in other pastures, you will suffer for it. 

I'm about to leave to watch what the media here in Tennessee is referring to as the playoff game of the week - Brentwood vs. Cane Ridge.  I saw North Little Rock play a couple of weeks ago.  They could play with either one of these teams. 
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 03:40:10 pm
Whoaaa there Mr. Oklahoma.  Not sure what you mean by number 3.  If CBB made a mistake where the Arkansas high school scene is concerned it was in failing to appreciate the talent in a population of 3,000,000 (500,000 African Americans) with whom he had Saban-like power to point and click. That population and power is the sole factor that attracted Frank Broyles to Arkansas.  There are three rules to recruiting at Arkansas:

1.  Location
2.  Location
3.  Location

Houston Nutt promised to build a fence around the state.  One of the few things he did well at Arkansas.  When you let thoroughbreds like KJ Hill, Josh Frazier and Damarea Crockett graze in other pastures, you will suffer for it. 

I'm about to leave to watch what the media here in Tennessee is referring to as the playoff game of the week - Brentwood vs. Cane Ridge.  I saw North Little Rock play a couple of weeks ago.  They could play with either one of these teams. 

So, DeAngelo Williams, Wr's from Warren(not those 3), and a couple of guys from Jonesboro that went to UT, wouldn't indicate a fence. It seems to me we get the vast majority, but some always leave.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: hassettsportsman on November 10, 2017, 03:59:51 pm
Well crafted...insightful Mr. Wilson.  Like you, I had good friends in the Broyles regime who were sent packing by our current AD.  When you let go of good educators who mentor our young fighting men, our battlefield Hogs, you weaken the team.  Mr. Long is quite simply a cowbird...that's to say, he lays his eggs in your nest...and you get to raise them. 
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: bphi11ips on November 10, 2017, 03:59:57 pm
So, DeAngelo Williams, Wr's from Warren(not those 3), and a couple of guys from Jonesboro that went to UT, wouldn't indicate a fence. It seems to me we get the vast majority, but some always leave.

Look - I hate giving Nutt credit for anything, but you know what I mean here. You’re a farmer. Ever have a hole in the fence? 
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: SultanofSwine on November 10, 2017, 05:02:40 pm
Spot on Wilson. Long and BB both missed on the culture and the people. Long I feel looked at the environment of big business in NW Arkansas and thought "those people" would be more like the folks he was used to dealing with but completely discounted the culture of those people. BB I think missed going the other direction by assuming knowledge of the culture and dismissed understanding the people.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 05:08:02 pm
Look - I hate giving Nutt credit for anything, but you know what I mean here. You’re a farmer. Ever have a hole in the fence? 

Don't deal with fences, we've torn all those and fence rows out over the past 30 years. My point was we lose about the same, no matter the coach.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: hoglady on November 10, 2017, 05:49:24 pm
Great post!!

I haven't like Long since the way he discounted John McDonnell's wishes for his replacement.
The man singlehandedly built Arkansas track (basically his life's work), won 40+ National Championships but Long chose to ignore his wishes. Arrogance is full display.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: rtr on November 10, 2017, 09:18:18 pm
I always thought Long didn't grasp Arkansas politics even when he was riding high.  Most of the accolades were from national media. Like it or not, the AD at the only major state university has to be a politician (so does the fb coach).  Long never seemed to understand that.  Another way to view it is that he gave the athletic program an acid bath when equal parts honey would have served him so much better.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: grayhawg on November 10, 2017, 09:28:32 pm
Round one went to Jeff Long and looks like round two will go to the GOBN, if that happens it's probably easier for Gus to come back here as Head Coach.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Con el Cerdos on November 10, 2017, 10:30:22 pm
I doubt Long's next job will be as an AD. He rose to fame as the AD who fired Petrino and thus put doing the right thing above winning. Lou Holtz also became famous at Arkansas for his "do right rule" which caught the attention at the time of both the nation and Notre Dame. The difference is that Lou did right by suspending his players and yet won in spite of it. Long fired Petrino but went on to having a football program that has struggled for years since. Doing right is all good and well to those not effected by this bravery, but no major football program wants an AD whose doing right results in years of poor performance. I noticed when Long's name was briefly connected to Nebraska, he name got a poor reception with Nebraska fans.

No clue where he was before Pittsburgh; I don't think he has ever led a major college athletic department that was a sustained winner.

And BTW, I don't think he's nearly as respected outside of Arkansas as Razorbacks fans seem to think.  His basketball teams, men and women, have not won consistently and have been to the NCAAT only a few time and not won much there.  And outside of Petrino's last two years, Long has been an absolute failure as the leader of the Razorback football program.

I'll be surprised if he lands a Power 5 job whenever he leaves Arkansas.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: TulsaHawg on November 10, 2017, 10:32:07 pm
Great post Wilson!
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Hawg Life on November 10, 2017, 10:44:09 pm
Round one went to Jeff Long and looks like round two will go to the GOBN, if that happens it's probably easier for Gus to come back here as Head Coach.

Norvell will be riding a high with huge name value. He’ll be on everyone’s short list looking to hire a coach. Gus won’t leave Auburn he’ll owe $2,5M, but if he’s fired he owes nothing. Gus will have to be fired to leave. I’d rather take the coach trending up. I still say there’s NO chance Gus ever coaches @ Arkansas.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: SooieGeneris on November 10, 2017, 10:51:56 pm
Off topic, I know, but from 1939 to 1989...other than during WWII and the Korean War...three men played most every game in left field for the Red Sox:

Ted Williams
Carl Yastrzemski
Jim Rice

All three are Hall of Famers.  Williams is (in my opinion) one of the two greatest hitters who ever lived so the guys who succeeded him had mammoth shoes to fill.

Not to mention Steve Young following Joe Montana and Aaron Rodgers succeeding Favre. GB went through so many QBs from Starr to Favre who played there from 92-2008.

What are the odds of a HOFer following an HOFer?
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: GoHogs1091 on November 10, 2017, 10:55:16 pm
Leadership development is what I do. When I work with leaders who are new to an organization and they ask me what to do first, my answer is to listen and learn. Don't go in swinging a big stick and making moves; learn something about the culture, traditions, and people. Otherwise, you're going to be walking blind without a cane, pissing people off, and setting yourself up for failure. That failure might come right away, or it might take awhile, but it will happen...all because the leader was tone deaf from the word go.

Jeff Long made a critical error early on; operating under the cover of the man who hired him, Long overplayed his hand. In an effort to rid the Broyles Complex of influence in the wake of Houston Nutt's departure, Long pissed people off. Treated them shabbily. Long-term members of the Razorback Family were kicked to the curb. Did he really think those people would just shrug their shoulders and shuffle off into the sunset? If so, he committed a grievous error. No, those people will keep their powder dry and wait for the right time. When they get their shot, and they usually will, they take it. In a sense, Jeff Long may be the last casualty of Houston Nutt's time at UA.

When a leader cloaks an organization under the mantle of integrity, he or she takes a huge risk. People are human. They make mistakes, they have errors in judgment, they screw up. Any person who puts themselves on a pedestal will eventually be eating dirt. There is a man in Louisville, Kentucky who could commiserate with our current AD about that.

The same sort of statement can be made about branding. If a leader is going to preach "uncommon," it becomes incumbent on him to be so and to produce a product that is. Otherwise, his own words come back to haunt him.   

That is very cool that you do leadership development.  That is a very important field.  If you are ever interested in some leadership training material, the following leadership training program is probably excellent.

https://www.briantracy.com/catalog/high-performance-leadership

Brian Tracy is brilliant.  I consider him one of the smartest persons in the country.  I use some of his sales training programs (for training myself in sales).  I saw an interview of Brian Tracy from several years ago.  He stated that he reads voraciously and that he prepares extensively.  He stated that if he is doing a 1 hour tape (at that time training programs were cassette tape) on a specific subject, for instance the subject of buying habits of customers, that he first reads 10 books and 20 articles on the subject.

From Brian Tracy's bio.

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Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: SooieGeneris on November 10, 2017, 10:59:02 pm
No clue where he was before Pittsburgh; I don't think he has ever led a major college athletic department that was a sustained winner.

And BTW, I don't think he's nearly as respected outside of Arkansas as Razorbacks fans seem to think.  His basketball teams, men and women, have not won consistently and have been to the NCAAT only a few time and not won much there.  And outside of Petrino's last two years, Long has been an absolute failure as the leader of the Razorback football program.

I'll be surprised if he lands a Power 5 job whenever he leaves Arkansas.

Long was an assistant AD at Michigan and OU. His time at Michigan overlapped with Les Miles when the grass eater was an assistant. He was at OU sometime after Stoops took over in '99.

Before that he was an assistant football coach at a few places, Rice, for one.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: bphi11ips on November 10, 2017, 11:38:40 pm
Don't deal with fences, we've torn all those and fence rows out over the past 30 years. My point was we lose about the same, no matter the coach.

Didn't think you have what it takes to be a rancher. Maybe factchecker will support you on this.  Find me three at once at the level of the guys I mentioned...ever. 

Well, two aren't really from Arkansas.   ;)
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: HoginMemphis on November 10, 2017, 11:47:02 pm
It's something they teach in the Senate.
LOL!!
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Inhogswetrust on November 11, 2017, 06:59:17 am
He pissed a lot of people off, especially the first year or so. Basically ran off John McDonnell.

When someone new comes in on a deal like that you gotta think changes are going to be inevitable. But I think some of that transition was a bit loud and brash.

He did do that. At one point early on his ability to even talk to one well know booster was so tense he asked someone else to intercede. He was told no. I believe he started to do a much better job after he had been here a little while though. I was told by one well known media person in Long's first year here he wouldn't last five years if that. It was going to be difficult to some for any outsider to come in and be loved by all. Especially those that were staunchly Frank's guys.  Frank really knew how to charm folks. That is one thing Jeff is not as effective at. He has done some really good things but there will always be some lurking in the shadows with a job like he has. I also recognize some that he pissed off were probably always going to wait it out and pounce when they think is best. Maybe this is it or maybe not. Either way stay tuned.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: ricepig on November 11, 2017, 08:05:30 am
Didn't think you have what it takes to be a rancher. Maybe factchecker will support you on this.  Find me three at once at the level of the guys I mentioned...ever. 

Well, two aren't really from Arkansas.   ;)

I didn't realize Hill, Frazier, and Crockett were in the same recruiting class, oh wait, they weren't. Williams, Fellows, and Houston careers overlapped, so there's three.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: hog911 on November 11, 2017, 08:39:17 am
PS: Excellent post.
Absolutely, excellent post!
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: HogRick on November 11, 2017, 09:23:59 am
Just an Awesome and spot on post by Wilson.  I know I'm a "band nerd" status; but it's great being back. Anytime an "outsider" comes in & takes over for a legend; it's very incumbent on him to "embrace and foster" the culture; and LISTEN more than TALK and ALWAYS stay humble. I like JL; but think there has been an relatively new "aura" he has imposed around himself after the "national" accolades. I think he kind of "forgot" where he was; and why he was HERE; and I truly believe he has ruffled feathers that didn't need ruffled. I know nothing; but think overall change is needed; and hopefully coming to UA in regards to Athletic Programs and our FB program. As for the hire of BB at the time and the praise on that; I did not like the hire and thought I was about to eat my words after his 3rd year. I just don't think you can go from All Out Offensive Machine; Winning all games youre supposed to win; to a grind it out, win some lose more, and "hope" for a mistake from other team. I like both JL and BB; but in support of complete change and new direction in both positions and hope that comes at years end. Thank you.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: PonderinHog on November 11, 2017, 09:40:12 am
Don't get mad.  Get even.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: Grunt on November 11, 2017, 09:48:00 am
He pissed a lot of people off, especially the first year or so. Basically ran off John McDonnell.

When someone new comes in on a deal like that you gotta think changes are going to be inevitable. But I think some of that transition was a bit loud and brash.
That's what I mean. You have to be careful when making changes and willing to take advice from the least of these.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: bphi11ips on November 11, 2017, 10:29:08 am
I didn't realize Hill, Frazier, and Crockett were in the same recruiting class, oh wait, they weren't. Williams, Fellows, and Houston careers overlapped, so there's three.

Did I say they were?  Would they all be on Arkansas' s roster right now had they chosen the Hogs?
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: ricepig on November 11, 2017, 10:31:19 am
Did I say they were?  Would they be underclassman on Arkansas' s roster right now?

I thought we were talking about the fence an ex-coach built years ago, carry on with whatever you're carrying on about.
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: bphi11ips on November 11, 2017, 10:53:12 am
I thought we were talking about the fence an ex-coach built years ago, carry on with whatever you're carrying on about.

Disengenuous are we this morning? Pre-game tension or morning fog, maybe?
Title: Re: Leadership and Communication
Post by: ricepig on November 11, 2017, 10:58:28 am
Disengenuous are we this morning? Pre-game tension or morning fog, maybe?

You said "ever", forgetful are we?

Didn't think you have what it takes to be a rancher. Maybe factchecker will support you on this.  Find me three at once at the level of the guys I mentioned...ever. 

Well, two aren't really from Arkansas.   ;)