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Title: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 11:54:32 am
Did you hear Nolan talk about that the other day? He was on one of the radio shows and he said it does not matter what BB makes because that is what the market rate is.

What he is getting paid is not material to the discussion of whether he should be kept or not. If his boss' feel like continuing to pay him, they will, if not he will be paid to leave like most other coaches are.

And for those saying they next coach should get 2mil plus incentives, just who do you think you are going to get to agree to a deal like that?

Typical though, want filet mignon at flank steak prices
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Hogblog on November 10, 2017, 12:00:06 pm
It's not what he makes......it's the fact that his cost per win is terrible......
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: azhog10 on November 10, 2017, 12:09:35 pm
Did you hear Nolan talk about that the other day? He was on one of the radio shows and he said it does not matter what BB makes because that is what the market rate is.

What he is getting paid is not material to the discussion of whether he should be kept or not. If his boss' feel like continuing to pay him, they will, if not he will be paid to leave like most other coaches are.

And for those saying they next coach should get 2mil plus incentives, just who do you think you are going to get to agree to a deal like that?

Typical though, want filet mignon at flank steak prices
Wait so now you are using Nolan to help fight your battles.....boy you’ve had to come a long way. Your hate for Nolan has run deep in the Jumpball forum.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on November 10, 2017, 12:11:57 pm
Nolan is right.  Pay is based on the market.  What you have to pay to hire a certain coach and raises will happen from there.   
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 12:24:52 pm
Wait so now you are using Nolan to help fight your battles.....boy you’ve had to come a long way. Your hate for Nolan has run deep in the Jumpball forum.

Umm, unless I am mistaken, the only thing i have ever said about Nolan was that he got himself fired, and he should not have sued the school.

And I have said repeatedly BB is not going to get it done here. His record ALONE is reason to let him go. His pay is not really material. IF he was getting twice as much as any other sec coach or was being paid only half of any sec coach, then his pay might come into play.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: SchrodingersHog on November 10, 2017, 01:25:21 pm
Did you hear Nolan talk about that the other day? He was on one of the radio shows and he said it does not matter what BB makes because that is what the market rate is.

What he is getting paid is not material to the discussion of whether he should be kept or not. If his boss' feel like continuing to pay him, they will, if not he will be paid to leave like most other coaches are.

And for those saying they next coach should get 2mil plus incentives, just who do you think you are going to get to agree to a deal like that?

Typical though, want filet mignon at flank steak prices

What we got was flank steak at filet mignon prices.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Kevin on November 10, 2017, 01:26:38 pm
pay the next guy the same. it is about results.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on November 10, 2017, 01:27:49 pm
Did you hear Nolan talk about that the other day? He was on one of the radio shows and he said it does not matter what BB makes because that is what the market rate is.

What he is getting paid is not material to the discussion of whether he should be kept or not. If his boss' feel like continuing to pay him, they will, if not he will be paid to leave like most other coaches are.

And for those saying they next coach should get 2mil plus incentives, just who do you think you are going to get to agree to a deal like that?

Typical though, want filet mignon at flank steak prices
Another loaded troll thread huh? You never disappoint
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:30:07 pm
What we got was flank steak at filet mignon prices.

Nah, we paid the going rate for steak, just got a bad cut of meat.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:31:15 pm
Another loaded troll thread huh? You never disappoint

How is this a troll thread? Just about every thread about BB we see his salary get brought up. A well respected for coach at the UofA addressed that issue and now it is a troll thread?
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 01:37:14 pm
I'll make a prediction that if we hire a coach who's only been a HC for 2 years or so and hasn't built or helped build  a program, regardless of salary, we'll be back at this same point in three years. If people truly believe there are not better options, then razorback football is dead. I believe that if BB is not retained, and it's still a possibility regardless of what people think, the PTB will look for someone that has a history of building programs, not just upsetting other teams this year. Sustainability will be what they look for hopefully and whoever they hire will need full support from fans and others. If people believe Arkansas can do better than we are doing now, then who we hire will determine if they are serious about that statement. It really doesn't matter if we pay them 2 dollars or 10 million, they will be judged on getting us to an acceptable level and sustaining it.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:42:37 pm
I'll make a prediction that if we hire a coach who's only been a HC for 2 years or so and hasn't built or helped build  a program, regardless of salary, we'll be back at this same point in three years. If people truly believe there are not better options, then razorback football is dead. I believe that if BB is not retained, and it's still a possibility regardless of what people think, the PTB will look for someone that has a history of building programs, not just upsetting other teams this year. Sustainability will be what they look for hopefully and whoever they hire will need full support from fans and others. If people believe Arkansas can do better than we are doing now, then who we hire will determine if they are serious about that statement. It really doesn't matter if we pay them 2 dollars or 10 million, they will be judged on getting us to an acceptable level and sustaining it.

And whoever they hire will be paid market rate ( or maybe a premium ) to get them to come here and salary will have no bearing on their ultimate success or failure at the job.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: forrest city joe on November 10, 2017, 01:43:57 pm
Did you hear Nolan talk about that the other day? He was on one of the radio shows and he said it does not matter what BB makes because that is what the market rate is.

What he is getting paid is not material to the discussion of whether he should be kept or not. If his boss' feel like continuing to pay him, they will, if not he will be paid to leave like most other coaches are.

And for those saying they next coach should get 2mil plus incentives, just who do you think you are going to get to agree to a deal like that?

Typical though, want filet mignon at flank steak prices
I don't care what he makes. i just want to get him out of here. he has failed.and he and Jeff Long has ran this football program into the ground.so Nolan is right in what he said about the market. but i don't care about that. i care about having a winning football program.and not the pitiful mess we have right now.wake the hell up.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: moses_007 on November 10, 2017, 01:49:17 pm
Pay is all relative.  The next hire may not be making anything near BB's $4.4 million to start out.

If Norvell is the hire, I'm sure we could get him in the $2.5 million range since that would be a nice raise from what he's making now at Memphis. ($1.8 million.)
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hehawg on November 10, 2017, 01:51:28 pm
What we got was flank steak at filet mignon prices.

My vote for best comment of 2017!
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: jst01 on November 10, 2017, 01:53:05 pm
I'll have you know that I can grill a flank steak that will match filets flavor!!! Lets argue about that now!!!

but seriously, I can
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Dumb ole famrboy on November 10, 2017, 01:54:17 pm
For 2017 Bret ranks #17 in compensation and is #6 for SEC coaches.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Michael D Huff AIA on November 10, 2017, 01:56:48 pm
What we got was flank steak at filet mignon prices.

We got meatloaf at market rate prices.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: sowmonella on November 10, 2017, 01:57:17 pm
The folks that always bring up how much Long, Bielema or Anderson make are the same ones that are jealous of anyone making a lot of money.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:58:00 pm
Pay is all relative.  The next hire may not be making anything near BB's $4.4 million to start out.

If Norvell is the hire, I'm sure we could get him in the $2.5 million range since that would be a nice raise from what he's making now at Memphis. ($1.8 million.)

Umm, no. There is likely to be a bidding war for any of the young hot names ( Norvell, Frost, Campbell among others ). None of them are coming to the SECW ( where as noted BB is only the 6th highest paid at 4mil+ ) and take a job for 1.5+mil below the going rate.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 02:10:33 pm
Umm, no. There is likely to be a bidding war for any of the young hot names ( Norvell, Frost, Campbell among others ). None of them are coming to the SECW ( where as noted BB is only the 6th highest paid at 4mil+ ) and take a job for 1.5+mil below the going rate.
Herman was the "hot" coach last year after coaching in C-USA at Houston. Bidding war between Texas and LSU got him 5.25 million in his first year. Texas is sitting at 4-5 with Kansas, West Virginia and TT still to play. He could finish 7-5, 6-6 or 5-7 surely they'll beat Kansas. Will it work out for him at Texas? Maybe, maybe not..Would Arkansas fans accept going 6-6 or worse next year with Norvell as the coach?
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 02:13:11 pm
Herman was the "hot" coach last year after coaching in C-USA at Houston. Bidding war between Texas and LSU got him 5.25 million in his first year. Texas is sitting at 4-5 with Kansas, West Virginia and TT still to play. Will it work out for him at Texas? Maybe, maybe not..

No idea, but for anyone that thinks they can get Norvell for 2.5, as one poster said, is just crazy and, not surprisingly, not grounded in one bit of reality.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 02:14:55 pm
Herman was the "hot" coach last year after coaching in C-USA at Houston. Bidding war between Texas and LSU got him 5.25 million in his first year. Texas is sitting at 4-5 with Kansas, West Virginia and TT still to play. Will it work out for him at Texas? Maybe, maybe not..

I seriously doubt it will.

He'll go 2-1 the rest of the year and the grumblings will begin among the tsips.

Texas is an example of how unreasonably high expectation can damage a program as much as low expectations can.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: moses_007 on November 10, 2017, 02:15:03 pm
Umm, no. There is likely to be a bidding war for any of the young hot names ( Norvell, Frost, Campbell among others ). None of them are coming to the SECW ( where as noted BB is only the 6th highest paid at 4mil+ ) and take a job for 1.5+mil below the going rate.
If Norvell really wants our job, and it has been widely reported that he does, he will take it for somewhere around $3 million.  Bielema didn't start off at $4.4... think it was around $3.5 when he started.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 02:15:49 pm
No idea, but for anyone that thinks they can get Norvell for 2.5, as one poster said, is just crazy and, not surprisingly, not grounded in one bit of reality.
Agreed, why pay for the "hot coach of the month" and pay that money when you could get a coach with experience building programs? Up and comers flame out more often than they succeed.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 02:17:07 pm
I seriously doubt it will.

He'll go 2-1 the rest of the year and the grumblings will begin among the tsips.

Texas is an example of how unreasonably high expectation can damage a program as much as low expectations can.
There's already a 60 page thread titled "fire Herman!" on shaggybevo. lol
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: moses_007 on November 10, 2017, 02:17:09 pm
I'd bet Les Miles would take it for $3.5 because he wants to coach again.  He was making around $5 million at LSU.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 02:21:21 pm
I'd bet Les Miles would take it for $3.5 because he wants to coach again.  He was making around $5 million at LSU.
He may be far from our worst option but it would depend if he's there to collect a check or build Arkansas into a SEC contender. I just wonder the support he would receive.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogfan870 on November 10, 2017, 02:23:57 pm
BB is being paid like a successful SEC coach.  That is why it is relevant.  There is a big spread in the salaries of SEC coaches.  I haven't looked it up, but someone earlier in the thread said that he is the 6th highest paid SEC coach, so he is in the top half of he conference in pay.  If we were paying bottom 2 or 3 money, we could/should except a bottom of the conference team.  We are paying the market rate for a top 1/2 of the conference coach, and getting a bottom half of the conference product (which should be significantly cheaper).   
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: twistitup on November 10, 2017, 02:24:31 pm
W CBB we paid for Filet Mignon and we got puddin'

Nothing but puddin'
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on November 10, 2017, 02:26:18 pm
Have said this many times.  Regardless of pay it's results that matter.  Pay is market driven for the most part and all SEC coaches except Saban are in a very similar range.

And yes if you are wanting Norvell, and think he is the best option you don't freaking low ball.  He's already making almost 2 Memphis would probably go $2.5 or more to keep him.  He will $4 or that will be the starting number.  Again it's market driven.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: DeltaBoy on November 10, 2017, 02:27:26 pm
If my return rate was as bad as his I would have fired 3 years ago.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on November 10, 2017, 02:27:34 pm
BB is being paid like a successful SEC coach.  That is why it is relevant.  There is a big spread in the salaries of SEC coaches.  I haven't looked it up, but someone earlier in the thread said that he is the 6th highest paid SEC coach, so he is in the top half of he conference in pay.  If we were paying bottom 2 or 3 money, we could/should except a bottom of the conference team.  We are paying the market rate for a top 1/2 of the conference coach, and getting a bottom half of the conference product (which should be significantly cheaper).   

He is being paid like the successful major college coach he was when he was hired and first contract was agreed. 
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Hogblog on November 10, 2017, 02:30:50 pm
I'd bet Les Miles would take it for $3.5 because he wants to coach again.  He was making around $5 million at LSU.

Awwwwww........ NO
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: East Clintwood on November 10, 2017, 02:32:08 pm
Umm, no. There is likely to be a bidding war for any of the young hot names ( Norvell, Frost, Campbell among others ). None of them are coming to the SECW ( where as noted BB is only the 6th highest paid at 4mil+ ) and take a job for 1.5+mil below the going rate.


And, just what is the going rate?

Sabans $7mil
or
Odoms $2.35mil

those are from 2016
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: 12247 on November 10, 2017, 02:32:39 pm
Paying market or above for success is totally fine for me.  Its paying market rate and getting chicken darn that I don't care for.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 02:49:16 pm
Paying market or above for success is totally fine for me.  Its paying market rate and getting chicken darn that I don't care for.
Problem is contracts are decided "up front" before any success/failure happens.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogfan870 on November 10, 2017, 03:02:49 pm
Problem is contracts are decided "up front" before any success/failure happens.

Right, but what you are paying also factors into whether or not you retain the coach.  If we were paying bottom of the conference money, we wouldn't have much to complain about.  When BB signed that $4mm+ contract, he realized that he was being paid that because he was expect to be top 1/2 of the conference.   
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: zuko on November 10, 2017, 03:09:51 pm
Did you hear Nolan talk about that the other day? He was on one of the radio shows and he said it does not matter what BB makes because that is what the market rate is.

What he is getting paid is not material to the discussion of whether he should be kept or not. If his boss' feel like continuing to pay him, they will, if not he will be paid to leave like most other coaches are.

And for those saying they next coach should get 2mil plus incentives, just who do you think you are going to get to agree to a deal like that?

Typical though, want filet mignon at flank steak prices
   When you have a lot of money, that's they way you talk.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 03:36:29 pm
How about this?  When interviewing coaches, ask them which would you prefer?  A guaranteed maximum of $4MM per year or a $2.75MM base with the opportunity to earn $7MM or better? 

I want the guy who says I’ll take the incentive package.

Conference season record incentives:
Wins & Incentives
SEC Conference Championship Win $500k
12 $2.5 MM + $500k for SEC West Championship
11 $2MM + $600k for Bowl other than final four
10 $1.5 MM + $400k for Bowl
9  $1.0 MM $200k for Bowl
8  $500k + $100k for Bowl
7  $250k + $50k for Bowl
6 a bowl game incentive of $25k
5 or below no incentive

National Championship Win $1MM
National  Championship Appearance $500k
Final Four Playoff Appearance $500k
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: thebignasty on November 10, 2017, 03:37:18 pm
How about this?  When interviewing coaches, ask them which would you prefer?  A guaranteed maximum of $4MM per year or a $2.75MM base with the opportunity to earn $7MM or better? 

I want the guy who says I’ll take the incentive package.

Conference season record incentives:500
Wins & Incentives
SEC Conference Championship Win $500k
12 $2.5 MM + $500k for SEC West Championship
11 $2MM + $600k for Bowl other than final four
10 $1.5 MM + $400k for Bowl
9  $1.0 MM $200k for Bowl
8  $500k + $100k for Bowl
7  $250k + $50k for Bowl
6 a bowl game incentive of $25k
5 or below no incentive

National Championship Win $1MM
National  Championship Appearance $500k
Final Four Playoff Appearance $500k

Going to get a guy who has no other offers if thats how you go about it.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 03:40:05 pm
Going to get a guy who has no other offers if thats how you go about it.

That makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Bebop on November 10, 2017, 03:57:35 pm
What we got was flank steak at filet mignon prices.

 ;D 8)
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: PLHawg on November 10, 2017, 04:03:08 pm
Norvell will be making, at a minimum $3.5 mil next year (with incentives to earn more) here or elsewhere.  He is one of the hottest three names out there right now, and it can be guaranteed there will be a bidding war to some degree.  Would he coach here for $3.5 mil. vs. say $4.0 mil at Tennessee?  Who knows, but anyone who thinks we're going to get one of these guys "on the cheap" are seriously mistaken.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on November 10, 2017, 04:05:02 pm
Did you hear Nolan talk about that the other day? He was on one of the radio shows and he said it does not matter what BB makes because that is what the market rate is.

What he is getting paid is not material to the discussion of whether he should be kept or not. If his boss' feel like continuing to pay him, they will, if not he will be paid to leave like most other coaches are.

And for those saying they next coach should get 2mil plus incentives, just who do you think you are going to get to agree to a deal like that?

Typical though, want filet mignon at flank steak prices
I seriously doubt most would care less what our HC was being paid AS LONG AS HIS RECORD DESERVED IT. The real key is are you getting value for your money? If yes, then fans couldn't give a darn. However, if you continue to deliver average of even substandard performance then you can darn well bet fans are going to grumble and with good reason. BTW I have NO problem loading up the coaches comp with incentives. Start with a base salary of something like $2-2.5 million. Then establish certain standards by making the bonuses fairly attainable such as win 7 or more wins you get an extra $250 k; win ten games or more you get an extra $500k (on top of the 7 or more win bonus). Win a bowl game and you get $150k; qualify for a New Years bowl and you get $150k, win and you receive $250k. Win the SECw and play in the SECCG you earn $350k; win a SECC you're given an extra $500k. A national championship is $1 million. Oh yeah, meet a satisfactory APR score (whatever that's determined to be) for players and you get $250k, and score above the SEC average gets you $350k.

Obviously the levels and payments could be adjusted according to the exact standards set by the AD. The point is, however, that administered properly a bonus system could actually work nicely.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 04:13:19 pm
I seriously doubt most would care less what our HC was being paid AS LONG AS HIS RECORD DESERVED IT. The real key is are you getting value for your money? If yes, then fans couldn't give a darn. However, if you continue to deliver average of even substandard performance then you can darn well bet fans are going to grumble and with good reason. BTW I have NO problem loading up the coaches comp with incentives. Start with a base salary of something like $2-2.5 million. Then establish certain standards by making the bonuses fairly attainable such as win 7 or more wins you get an extra $250 k; win ten games or more you get an extra $500k (on top of the 7 or more win bonus). Win a bowl game and you get $150k; qualify for a New Years bowl and you get $150k, win and you receive $250k. Win the SECw and play in the SECCG you earn $350k; win a SECC you're given an extra $500k. A national championship is $1 million. Oh yeah, meet a satisfactory APR score (whatever that's determined to be) for players and you get $250k, and score above the SEC average gets you $350k.

Obviously the levels and payments could be adjusted according to the exact standards set by the AD. The point is, however, that administered properly a bonus system could actually work nicely.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Some times I think people forget how much we have to sell here also. Coaching in the SEC with the facilities of Arkansas and it’s one major team in the State concept.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: BigE_23 on November 10, 2017, 04:22:14 pm
Did you hear Nolan talk about that the other day? He was on one of the radio shows and he said it does not matter what BB makes because that is what the market rate is.

What he is getting paid is not material to the discussion of whether he should be kept or not. If his boss' feel like continuing to pay him, they will, if not he will be paid to leave like most other coaches are.

And for those saying they next coach should get 2mil plus incentives, just who do you think you are going to get to agree to a deal like that?

Typical though, want filet mignon at flank steak prices

Let's use your steak analogy...same cut of meat, same price, but you know that the meat at Kroger is a better product than the same cut of steak at the same price from Walmart. The filet at Walmart has the same texture and taste as flank steak. Where would you buy your meat??

Sure, Bret is getting paid in the same range as his SEC colleagues...but is the quality the same? Absolutely not - so we should shop somewhere else. The price is pertinent to the discussion because regardless of market price, we're not getting market performance.

I don't think we're wanting filet for flank prices - we're just wanting the filet to taste like a filet.

And to your question of who would come here for $2 mil plus incentives...the guy who's coaching at Bert's previous school is providing filet for flank prices - https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2015/10/08/wisconsin-paul-chryst-barry-alvarez-gary-andersen/73546334/
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: elksnort on November 10, 2017, 04:23:35 pm
Speaking of salary, have any of you ever wondered what each other poster does for a living? Posting on the internet does indeed alter/mask the message many times.

But the timing and posts do indicate what a person might be like. You have the whiners, those who constantly pontificate, followers, and all kinds of other characters.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on November 10, 2017, 04:53:02 pm
Speaking of salary, have any of you ever wondered what each other poster does for a living? Posting on the internet does indeed alter/mask the message many times.

But the timing and posts do indicate what a person might be like. You have the whiners, those who constantly pontificate, followers, and all kinds of other characters.
Okay.......and your point is exactly what ??? I can promise you that every fan website, no matter what team, has it share of "whiners, those who constantly pontificate, followers and all kinds of other characters". It's the nature of the beast...duh! ::)
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: texas tush hog on November 10, 2017, 06:53:15 pm

And, just what is the going rate?

Sabans $7mil
or
Odoms $2.35mil

those are from 2016


Our next coach if he is on the list we are referring to, Norvell, Frost, or Campbell will make $3.5 to $4 million a year. That is the going rate for one of the hot young ones. Mullen would make $4 to $5 million a year. Get ready for it.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Hoot72 on November 10, 2017, 08:21:11 pm
Mullen makes 4.5 where he is -- it will take at least 5, probably more, to get him.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Porkchop#1 on November 10, 2017, 08:36:10 pm
Umm, unless I am mistaken, the only thing i have ever said about Nolan was that he got himself fired, and he should not have sued the school.

Well...son of a gun...I'm in full agreement.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 10:37:34 pm
Norvell won't change our record here..but you guys keep begging for him as our next coach.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: hogginbama on November 10, 2017, 10:42:42 pm
What we got was flank steak at filet mignon prices.

Have you looked at salaries across the conference? His pay ranks about 8 or 9 in the conference and that is where the team's performance level has been. Want top level coaching you have to be prepared to pay top dollar. We are paying a chuck eye steak price and getting results about equal to that. Can't compare his salary to that of the average burger flipper in Arkansas, you gotta compare it to the other folks in his chosen field.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: BigE_23 on November 10, 2017, 10:51:21 pm
Norvell won't change our record here..but you guys keep begging for him as our next coach.

Hogville in 2012: "James Franklin is nothing more than a rah rah coach that's all hype and no substance. We better not hire that clown."
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 10:57:39 pm
Hogville in 2012: "James Franklin is nothing more than a rah rah coach that's all hype and no substance. We better not hire that clown."
At least he had SEC experience and I had no problem with Franklin. Go ahead hire Norvell, people smarter won't do it. I've got a 16 old nephew that's been driving for two years..you wanna give him keys to a Ferrari?
Look at Herman at Texas making over 5 million and needs to win 2 out of next 3 to make a bowl game. He was the "hot" coach coming out of C-USA last year. I'm sure Norvell is different though...this is the SEC, big boy football, not C-USA.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: BigE_23 on November 10, 2017, 11:14:00 pm
At least he had SEC experience and I had no problem with Franklin. Go ahead hire Norvell, people smarter won't do it. I've got a 16 old nephew that's been driving for two years..you wanna give him keys to a Ferrari?
Look at Herman at Texas making over 5 million and needs to win 2 out of next 3 to make a bowl game. He was the "hot" coach coming out of C-USA last year. I'm sure Norvell is different though...this is the SEC, big boy football, not C-USA.

Ok.

We hired a guy with "big-boy" experience. How'd that work out?

Your assumption that Herman was going to turn around Texas in one season proves just how unqualified your opinion is on the matter. You wanna make a wager on where Texas is in 2 years?

Your theory works both ways. Urban Meyer coached in the Mac and Mountain West before coming to Florida. Gus was in the Sun Belt. Dan Mullen and Kirby Smart were both coordinators with no HC experience. Same with Jimbo Fisher and Dabo Sweeney. I could keep going, but maybe you get the idea...

I'm not 100% sold on Norvell as being "the guy" just yet...but I'm also not willing to overlook a resume simply because a fella hasn't coached in a power-5 conference. That's foolish.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 11:36:26 pm
Ok.

We hired a guy with "big-boy" experience. How'd that work out?

Your assumption that Herman was going to turn around Texas in one season proves just how unqualified your opinion is on the matter. You wanna make a wager on where Texas is in 2 years?

Your theory works both ways. Urban Meyer coached in the Mac and Mountain West before coming to Florida. Gus was in the Sun Belt. Dan Mullen and Kirby Smart were both coordinators with no HC experience. Same with Jimbo Fisher and Dabo Sweeney. I could keep going, but maybe you get the idea...

I'm not 100% sold on Norvell as being "the guy" just yet...but I'm also not willing to overlook a resume simply because a fella hasn't coached in a power-5 conference. That's foolish.
Gus was OC at Auburn before HC. Kirby was DC at Alabama none of those guys were C-USA coordinators. Also, I'll take that bet on Herman at Texas. He won't get them above 8 wins before he's run out of town. Let these C-USA coaches go cut their teeth somewhere else. Also, I never said they had to be a head coach in a power 5 conference but if they hadn't I hope they have SEC experience like Gus or Kirby.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: BigE_23 on November 11, 2017, 12:15:18 am
Gus was OC at Auburn before HC. Kirby was DC at Alabama none of those guys were C-USA coordinators. Also, I'll take that bet on Herman at Texas. He won't get them above 8 wins before he's run out of town. Let these C-USA coaches go cut their teeth somewhere else. Also, I never said they had to be a head coach in a power 5 conference but if they hadn't I hope they have SEC experience like Gus or Kirby.

Now you’re just digging your heels in and being stubborn. Norvell has been an OC at two different P5 schools, so how’s that different than Smart, Mullen, or Gus? Oh, because those guys were mighty SEC big-boy coordinators, right? Give me a break. If a guy can coach, he can coach. Period.

As for Herman - they’ll win 8+ in year two, and 10+ in year three. He’s a couple of plays away from sitting at 7 wins right now. You’re letting your SEC bias cloud your judgement.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 11, 2017, 12:32:46 am
Now you’re just digging your heels in and being stubborn. Norvell has been an OC at two different P5 schools, so how’s that different than Smart, Mullen, or Gus? Oh, because those guys were mighty SEC big-boy coordinators, right? Give me a break. If a guy can coach, he can coach. Period.

As for Herman - they’ll win 8+ in year two, and 10+ in year three. He’s a couple of plays away from sitting at 7 wins right now. You’re letting your SEC bias cloud your judgement.
Well let's just search FBS schools or even High school then..Norvell will get ate up in the SEC. Luckily he won't be hired because the people making the decisions will hire a more qualified Coach. I'll ask just so I know what in the wold has Norvell done to reap so much praise and deserve 4 million a year and become HC of the hogs? He really hasn't turned Memphis around because they were good before he got there. So, what is it that makes him a must have?
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: Mike_e on November 11, 2017, 05:42:25 am
Lowballing a coach or having more incentive clauses that a pup has fleas is like getting a ring out of a box of crackerjacks and then trying to find a woman that will take it as an engagement ring.

Sure you'll find one but are you really going to like what you get?

Stop worrying about the price and focus on the product.  If you can't pay for it you don't (generally) need it anyway.
Title: Re: For everyone that keep bringing up how much BB makes
Post by: elksnort on November 11, 2017, 08:37:53 am
Okay.......and your point is exactly what ??? I can promise you that every fan website, no matter what team, has it share of "whiners, those who constantly pontificate, followers and all kinds of other characters". It's the nature of the beast...duh! ::)
okay I'll give you the short version. I wonder if some of the people on here are as big of a pain in the ass in person as they are on the board?