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Title: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 09:20:16 am
 "Aye, aye! and Iíll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perditionís flames before I give him up."
--Captain Ahab in Moby Dick

I for one am sick to death of the vendetta some have embarked on and continue against Jeff Long. It has gotten beyond stupid, vengeful and reckless.
He fired your little Bobby Petrino and you are bent on revenge. Be careful what you wish for. Ahab got his whale but it cost him his life. You life isn't at stake if you continue this vendetta, but your relevance and respect surely are at risk.
He fired Petrino. Petrino deserved it. He was the author of his fate and you will be the author of yours.
It's time to get over it.

"The White Whale swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung. [. . .] All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled upon the whaleís white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heartís shell upon it."
Moby Dick
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: HoggieStyle on November 10, 2017, 10:54:51 am
Vendetta? LOL
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 10:57:16 am
"Aye, aye! and Iíll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perditionís flames before I give him up."
--Captain Ahab in Moby Dick

I for one am sick to death of the vendetta some have embarked on and continue against Jeff Long. It has gotten beyond stupid, vengeful and reckless.
He fired your little Bobby Petrino and you are bent on revenge. Be careful what you wish for. Ahab got his whale but it cost him his life. You life isn't at stake if you continue this vendetta, but your relevance and respect surely are at risk.
He fired Petrino. Petrino deserved it. He was the author of his fate and you will be the author of yours.
It's time to get over it.

"The White Whale swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung. [. . .] All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled upon the whaleís white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heartís shell upon it."
Moby Dick

+1 for the Melville references. Literacy on HV!
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 11:47:54 am
Vendetta: a prolonged bitter quarrel with or campaign against someone.

It fits.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: tusked on November 10, 2017, 11:49:42 am
Vendetta: a prolonged bitter quarrel with or campaign against someone.

It fits.

Are you talking about Longs actions against hog fans?
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 11:54:02 am
Don't be obtuse.
Obtuse: annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 12:01:49 pm
Bravo! Could be my favorite post this football season seeing not much football has been discussed.
My favorite part:

All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: HawgWyld on November 10, 2017, 12:03:37 pm
Bravo! Could be my favorite post this football season seeing not much football has been discussed.

Well, discussing football is depressing for Hogs fans these days...
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Seebs on November 10, 2017, 12:03:55 pm
hehehhehehhehhehheheheheh ... he said Dick.

I am happy that in these conversations none of us has any barometer or bearing on what the heck happens to Long or CBB. I am sitting back and enjoying the show on all fronts.

Gnats that we are.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Peter Porker on November 10, 2017, 12:06:06 pm
Anytime someone says yankee or carpetbagger it lessens their argument. It makes it seem as if the real issue you have with them is which part of the country they're from and not the performance of their job.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: HawgWyld on November 10, 2017, 12:08:01 pm
Anytime someone says yankee or carpetbagger it lessens their argument. It makes it seem as if the real issue you have with them is which part of the country they're from and not the performance of their job.

Go back to Yankeeland, you carpetbagger  ;)
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 12:14:12 pm
It's not about football. It's about relevance and perception of power with Petrino's situation a very convenient stone on which to sharpen the knives.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: jgphillips3 on November 10, 2017, 12:20:51 pm
"Aye, aye! and Iíll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perditionís flames before I give him up."
--Captain Ahab in Moby Dick

I for one am sick to death of the vendetta some have embarked on and continue against Jeff Long. It has gotten beyond stupid, vengeful and reckless.
He fired your little Bobby Petrino and you are bent on revenge. Be careful what you wish for. Ahab got his whale but it cost him his life. You life isn't at stake if you continue this vendetta, but your relevance and respect surely are at risk.
He fired Petrino. Petrino deserved it. He was the author of his fate and you will be the author of yours.
It's time to get over it.

"The White Whale swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung. [. . .] All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled upon the whaleís white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heartís shell upon it."
Moby Dick

Are you personal friends or acquaintances with Jeff Long?  This seems almost personal to you.  I donít care about Long one way or the other.  His record as AD merits a ďmehĒ from me.  Some good, some bad, but largely unremarkable. 

Sure some dont like him for being a yankee.  Iím sure some wouldnít like me just because they hate attorneys or white guys or straight men or whatever their personal issue is.  So what. 

Most people arenít anywhere close to vendetta against Long except for the fact that his rash actions with Petrino and seeming support for this failed coach sure bring into question whether or not he has ďourĒ best interests at heart...and that is a valid question. 

There is now enough direct and anecdotal evidence to at least raise valid and pointed questions about Long. If he stays and hires the right coach, this will be forgotten.  If he digs in for Bielema, bumbles another hire or something, then he will have become his own version of Ahab, destroying our program in search of his white whale.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: lumphog on November 10, 2017, 12:23:36 pm
THE PIRATE
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 12:27:19 pm
I've never met nor have I ever communicated with Jeff Long.
But you're right about one thing. It is personal.
Everyone should take personally a screaming mob, brandishing pitchforks and flaming torches with ropes in their hands. Take personally any situation where the truth is a hostage to desired outcomes and, when it become obvious, it becomes something to be dismissed as just an opinion. That's what's wrong with public discourse today.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 12:29:16 pm
And as for Long's action against Petrino being "rash." Rash wouldn't have given him the chance to stay after the police report was issued -- a chance that Petrino threw back into Long's face.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Con el Cerdos on November 10, 2017, 12:31:14 pm
Anytime someone says yankee or carpetbagger it lessens their argument. It makes it seem as if the real issue you have with them is which part of the country they're from and not the performance of their job.

Or is still brings up the Petrino firing.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Count Hogula on November 10, 2017, 12:41:58 pm
"Aye, aye! and Iíll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perditionís flames before I give him up."
--Captain Ahab in Moby Dick

I for one am sick to death of the vendetta some have embarked on and continue against Jeff Long. It has gotten beyond stupid, vengeful and reckless.
He fired your little Bobby Petrino and you are bent on revenge. Be careful what you wish for. Ahab got his whale but it cost him his life. You life isn't at stake if you continue this vendetta, but your relevance and respect surely are at risk.
He fired Petrino. Petrino deserved it. He was the author of his fate and you will be the author of yours.
It's time to get over it.

"The White Whale swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung. [. . .] All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled upon the whaleís white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heartís shell upon it."
Moby Dick

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLineô on November 10, 2017, 12:46:46 pm
hehehhehehhehhehheheheheh ... he said Dick.

I am happy that in these conversations none of us has any barometer or bearing on what the heck happens to Long or CBB. I am sitting back and enjoying the show on all fronts.

Gnats that we are.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSVCoQdH5mZmFWHrPoLsHGxgOXdDNUZYditG51c0heSO3fw7xU)
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: hawgball40 on November 10, 2017, 01:03:09 pm
Alternate narrative:

OP trying desperately to distract from the fact that Jeff Long hired Bielema and gave him the infamous contract extension, for which Jeff is fully culpable, and thus must be held to account for it.

OP's argument is a strawman (https://www.google.com/search?q=strawman&oq=strawman&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l5.1316j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Kevin on November 10, 2017, 01:04:40 pm
jeff long's people are out in full force today
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 01:05:20 pm
Alternate narrative:

OP trying desperately to distract from the fact that Jeff Long hired Bielema and gave him the infamous contract extension, for which Jeff is fully culpable, and thus must be held to account for it.

OP's argument is a strawman (https://www.google.com/search?q=strawman&oq=strawman&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l5.1316j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

Nice try. But an historic fail. The only way JL should be held accountable is if he knew 2016 and 2017 season results at the time (2015). So, Long is a time traveler!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: hawgball40 on November 10, 2017, 01:08:46 pm
Nice try. But an historic fail. The only way JL should be held accountable is if he knew 2016 and 2017 season results at the time (2015). So, Long is a time traveler!!!!!!!!
another strawman? come on dude.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: farmhawg on November 10, 2017, 01:09:06 pm
It's not about football. It's about relevance and perception of power with Petrino's situation a very convenient stone on which to sharpen the knives.
Sounds like you canít get over petrino, weird but ok.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: dfwalumdad on November 10, 2017, 01:22:59 pm
I've never met nor have I ever communicated with Jeff Long.
But you're right about one thing. It is personal.
Everyone should take personally a screaming mob, brandishing pitchforks and flaming torches with ropes in their hands. Take personally any situation where the truth is a hostage to desired outcomes and, when it become obvious, it becomes something to be dismissed as just an opinion. That's what's wrong with public discourse today.

i have nothing against long. in fact i think he's done a pretty good job. the bielema hire on paper looked like a home run hire at the time. i believe it was the only hire in the SEC that year of a coach from another P5 head coaching job.

hiring bielema or an angry "mob" from hogville isn't what got jeff long summoned to little rock yesterday for  that three hour public humiliation in the auditorium of pulaski county vo-tech with the media in attendance.

the BOT did that.

if long has been a intransigent supporter of bielema behind the scenes then maybe that's why he got summoned, but he certainly hasn't been a very vocal public supporter of the coach this season. with the exception of "we're not a win at all cost" comment he hasn't said much of anything regarding the coach. typically AD's will give the obligatory "i'll sit down with coach at the end of the season like i do every year" before they fire the coach.

we haven't even heard that.

i can promise you that what ever is going on with long is entirely of his own making and has zero to do with this web site or angry mobs.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Locutus_of_Boar on November 10, 2017, 01:49:31 pm
jeff long's people are out in full force today

Yup.

However O. P. "Ishmael" choosing to equate the condition of Arkansas's athletic department to the Pequod might well be unintentionally accurate and as I recall Moby Dick swam off from the scene of accident but unable to free himself from his tormentor and never to be seen again.


Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: ModestoHOG63 on November 10, 2017, 01:52:24 pm
"Aye, aye! and Iíll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perditionís flames before I give him up."
--Captain Ahab in Moby Dick

I for one am sick to death of the vendetta some have embarked on and continue against Jeff Long. It has gotten beyond stupid, vengeful and reckless.
He fired your little Bobby Petrino and you are bent on revenge. Be careful what you wish for. Ahab got his whale but it cost him his life. You life isn't at stake if you continue this vendetta, but your relevance and respect surely are at risk.
He fired Petrino. Petrino deserved it. He was the author of his fate and you will be the author of yours.
It's time to get over it.

"The White Whale swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung. [. . .] All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled upon the whaleís white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heartís shell upon it."
Moby Dick


Could care less like with most.  Its fun chasing "The Whale".            Great book btw, though the part where every damn whale in the world being described and their functions or whatever gets annoying.   
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Michael D Huff AIA on November 10, 2017, 01:59:13 pm
Let the record reflect that Herman Melville and classic literature have been quoted on Hogville. 

We're upping our standards around here.

(T minus 5 seconds until the next "Bielema is fat".)
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: ModestoHOG63 on November 10, 2017, 02:14:05 pm
Bert is fat, btw.     ;D
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 02:21:10 pm
Yup.

However O. P. "Ishmael" choosing to equate the condition of Arkansas's athletic department to the Pequod might well be unintentionally accurate and as I recall Moby Dick swam off from the scene of accident but unable to free himself from his tormentor and never to be seen again.

You may not call me Ishmael.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Oklahawg on November 10, 2017, 02:26:44 pm
Arkansas fans need more Melville. We need less Greek tragedy. Or comedy, for that matter.

We seek a superhero. With every failed candidate we set the bar even higher.

Jesus Christ would be hated upon for taking an entire three days to figure out how to extract himself from a darned cave. We would likely question his mid-30s bachelor status and worry about him hanging out with prostitutes.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 02:31:41 pm
Arkansas fans need more Melville. We need less Greek tragedy. Or comedy, for that matter.

We seek a superhero. With every failed candidate we set the bar even higher.

Jesus Christ would be hated upon for taking an entire three days to figure out how to extract himself from a darned cave. We would likely question his mid-30s bachelor status and worry about him hanging out with prostitutes.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

No apology necessary. In fact, you've hit a bulls eye and a nerve or two I supect.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: DeltaBoy on November 10, 2017, 02:34:46 pm
Long Like Captain Ahab has tried to sink our ship.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 02:37:25 pm
Long Like Captain Ahab has tried to sink our ship.

You might try reading the OP before posting.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: bphi11ips on November 10, 2017, 02:44:10 pm
Melville is overrated.  Give me Dickens any day.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 02:48:38 pm
Melville is overrated.  Give me Dickens any day.

In our current situation, the Count of Monte Cristo would be appropriate.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: ModestoHOG63 on November 10, 2017, 02:50:53 pm
THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER
Clancy
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: bphi11ips on November 10, 2017, 03:19:28 pm
In our current situation, the Count of Monte Cristo would be appropriate.

All Quiet on the Western Front
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: DeltaBoy on November 10, 2017, 03:22:03 pm
You might try reading the OP before posting.


I have Ahab lost his leg , wrecked his ship all for a crazy idea to kill the White Whale.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 03:45:40 pm
Vendetta: a prolonged bitter quarrel with or campaign against someone.

It fits.

La Vendetta - Le Nozze di Figaro
https://youtu.be/va6EVm5dZfc
I thought this thread could use some Mozart. ;D
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 03:47:21 pm

I have Ahab lost his leg , wrecked his ship all for a crazy idea to kill the White Whale.

As far as it goes, quite right. Now, go look in the mirror,
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 03:48:02 pm
La Vendetta - Le Nozze di Figaro
https://youtu.be/va6EVm5dZfc
I thought this thread could use some Mozart. ;D

I would prefer Vivaldi's Four Seasons.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 03:49:09 pm
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche

how about some Mel Brooks

https://youtu.be/BsHuNFEa8H4

Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 03:49:43 pm
I would prefer Vivaldi's Four Seasons.

Me, too, but he didn't write anything about vendetta as far as I know.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 03:52:20 pm
how about some Mel Brooks

https://youtu.be/BsHuNFEa8H4



I much prefer Mel Brooks.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 03:54:00 pm
Me, too, but he didn't write anything about vendetta as far as I know.

No, but don't the dry martini's go down so well with it playing in the background.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: RexMentor on November 10, 2017, 04:00:04 pm
I much prefer Mel Brooks.
But it has to be Young Frankenstein
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: hassettsportsman on November 10, 2017, 04:21:43 pm
Only spiny lobsters for Mr. Long, as part of his golden chute, he isn't deserving of real live Maine Lobster!
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: From Tusk Till Dawn on November 10, 2017, 04:49:41 pm

Could care less like with most.  Its fun chasing "The Whale".            Great book btw, though the part where every damn whale in the world being described and their functions or whatever gets annoying.   
No kidding, had a long car ride with my son and listened to the audio book.  He loved that part, I think it took a 100 miles to get through it... 
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: EastArkHog 47 on November 10, 2017, 04:58:03 pm
Know one thing after reading through all this, Bielema or Long ain't the white whale, the whale was a winner and both these guys are losers.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: snoblind on November 10, 2017, 06:06:39 pm
In our current situation, the Count of Monte Cristo would be appropriate.

THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER
Clancy
All Quiet on the Western Front

3 classics that I read a long time ago.  Heck, it's been over 40 years since I read Moby Dick.

If I had any sense I'd blow this place off and spend the time rereading the classics.
Title: Re: Captain Ahab or the Long haters
Post by: TulsaHawg on November 10, 2017, 06:36:46 pm
All Quiet on the Western Front

Blazing Saddles