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Title: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 09:17:18 am
So, I know this will probably get removed but I'm just curious if the keyboard warriors on here actually act like this in real life? Or in other words, would you really call someone all sorts of insulting names to their face in real life?

I was raised to respect others. The only people I decide not to respect are morally inept scumbags. But someone who has tried and simply failed is not deserving of insults and personal attacks. Just because no one will ever know who I am has not changed that fact for me. Names like "Butters", "Dumpling", "Fatso", "Bert", etc just show a huge case of immaturity from many of you, and I wonder how many of ya'll are what I asked...like this in real life or just keyboard warriors?

Btw...I'd take name calling for millions too, but that fact hasn't changed my stance on the personal attacks. I want him gone, but he's most likely struggling with this on a personal level. Who wouldn't? Having an entire nation see that you just can't cut it with the big boys. I doubt the money is taking that humiliation away.

When Enos's dad died, I wondered if it was Bret's dad, would the personal attacks stop. Cuz those situations help make many realize that everyone is human and is not far off from being just like us.
 

Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: SDZ_Hog on November 10, 2017, 10:09:20 am
I want CBB gone.  This goes back to VT and Mizzou colapse.  I don't get the hatred towards him. He seems like a pretty good guy.  The angry should be directed to the overhead if changes aren't made.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: NuttinItUp on November 10, 2017, 10:12:06 am
He is getting paid enough that a few names probably doesn't really bother him much.

The fact that he sucks as a football coach probably bothers him more.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Lulu Hog on November 10, 2017, 10:13:49 am
    I agree. I want to move on from Coach B, but the name calling is not right.  It makes us all look bad.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 10:17:14 am
I want CBB gone.  This goes back to VT and Mizzou colapse.  I don't get the hatred towards him. He seems like a pretty good guy.  The angry should be directed to the overhead if changes aren't made.

I agree. Itís just sad to see grown men making 2nd grade insults to someone who tried but just failed.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: hamsam on November 10, 2017, 10:19:29 am
So, I know this will probably get removed but I'm just curious if the keyboard warriors on here actually act like this in real life? Or in other words, would you really call someone all sorts of insulting names to their face in real life?

I was raised to respect others. The only people I decide not to respect are morally inept scumbags. But someone who has tried and simply failed is not deserving of insults and personal attacks. Just because no one will ever know who I am has not changed that fact for me. Names like "Butters", "Dumpling", "Fatso", "Bert", etc just show a huge case of immaturity from many of you, and I wonder how many of ya'll are what I asked...like this in real life or just keyboard warriors?

Btw...I'd take name calling for millions too, but that fact hasn't changed my stance on the personal attacks. I want him gone, but he's most likely struggling with this on a personal level. Who wouldn't? Having an entire nation see that you just can't cut it with the big boys. I doubt the money is taking that humiliation away.

When Enos's dad died, I wondered if it was Bret's dad, would the personal attacks stop. Cuz those situations help make many realize that everyone is human and is not far off from being just like us.
 



POTY.... Well written, sir!
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: RazorWest on November 10, 2017, 10:22:17 am
So, I know this will probably get removed but I'm just curious if the keyboard warriors on here actually act like this in real life? Or in other words, would you really call someone all sorts of insulting names to their face in real life?

I was raised to respect others. The only people I decide not to respect are morally inept scumbags. But someone who has tried and simply failed is not deserving of insults and personal attacks. Just because no one will ever know who I am has not changed that fact for me. Names like "Butters", "Dumpling", "Fatso", "Bert", etc just show a huge case of immaturity from many of you, and I wonder how many of ya'll are what I asked...like this in real life or just keyboard warriors?

Btw...I'd take name calling for millions too, but that fact hasn't changed my stance on the personal attacks. I want him gone, but he's most likely struggling with this on a personal level. Who wouldn't? Having an entire nation see that you just can't cut it with the big boys. I doubt the money is taking that humiliation away.

When Enos's dad died, I wondered if it was Bret's dad, would the personal attacks stop. Cuz those situations help make many realize that everyone is human and is not far off from being just like us.

Of course not, Internet is brutal and allows the worst in people to be broadcast to the world.  I do remember one professor at the U of A letting his "keyboard Warrior" fly after a game last year.  That was sad and funny.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: hawgmasta on November 10, 2017, 10:24:23 am
When the internet was created common human decency died. Have you ever read comments on YouTube videos? It's insane and terrifying. And entertaining unfortunately
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 10:25:05 am
So, I know this will probably get removed but I'm just curious if the keyboard warriors on here actually act like this in real life? Or in other words, would you really call someone all sorts of insulting names to their face in real life?

I was raised to respect others. The only people I decide not to respect are morally inept scumbags. But someone who has tried and simply failed is not deserving of insults and personal attacks. Just because no one will ever know who I am has not changed that fact for me. Names like "Butters", "Dumpling", "Fatso", "Bert", etc just show a huge case of immaturity from many of you, and I wonder how many of ya'll are what I asked...like this in real life or just keyboard warriors?

Btw...I'd take name calling for millions too, but that fact hasn't changed my stance on the personal attacks. I want him gone, but he's most likely struggling with this on a personal level. Who wouldn't? Having an entire nation see that you just can't cut it with the big boys. I doubt the money is taking that humiliation away.

When Enos's dad died, I wondered if it was Bret's dad, would the personal attacks stop. Cuz those situations help make many realize that everyone is human and is not far off from being just like us.

Couldn't agree more, green. I used to tell my college students that someone can take away anything you own, but the only way for you to lose your integrity is to give it away of your own volition. My parents taught me that, regardless of your state in life, you can always comport yourself with class and dignity. I fall short of that standard too often, but I try to keep it in front of me as a goal to reach.

I've always been proud to be an Arkansan because of the quality of the people. I hope that the appalling lack of civility I have witnessed on MMQB, and sometimes on JB, is an aberration brought about by frustration. We are better than this.

We can be frustrated and express an opinion without ad hominum attacks that dilute the power of our argument and the strength of our viewpoint.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: jgcat4 on November 10, 2017, 10:33:27 am
I'll call him Bert, Fat Boy and Shrek to his face. I don't care. I've been fat all my life. I was also made fun of all my life. It made me tough. This is life. Not everyone gets a trophy. Win 8-10 every year and no one cares.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: FutureMan on November 10, 2017, 10:36:20 am
I agree, the pure hostility towards the man is ridiculous.  It's really disheartening.  I just ignore it because I have learned you won't be able to change anyone's mind.  If that's the way they are going to act then they are already too far gone.

But it pleases me to know there are others out there that find it as disgusting as I do. 
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: code red on November 10, 2017, 10:38:54 am
I'll call him Bert, Fat Boy and Shrek to his face. I don't care. I've been fat all my life. I was also made fun of all my life. It made me tough. This is life. Not everyone gets a trophy. Win 8-10 every year and no one cares.
He has quit.  He quit in recruiting and he had to know this would happen.  It's just not that easy.  He has been living the gravy train.  He is reaping what he sowed.  I am not a name caller but I will speak the truth and he is a lazy coach.  Which equals no success.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 10:41:17 am
He has quit.  He quit in recruiting and he had to know this would happen.  It's just not that easy.  He has been living the gravy train.  He is reaping what he sowed.  I am not a name caller but I will speak the truth and he is a lazy coach.  Which equals no success.

I agree. Name calling is classless and says more about the attacker than the victim.

But criticism is warranted, and I beleive that calling put his apparent laziness is valid.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 10:42:28 am
So, I know this will probably get removed but I'm just curious if the keyboard warriors on here actually act like this in real life? Or in other words, would you really call someone all sorts of insulting names to their face in real life?

I was raised to respect others. The only people I decide not to respect are morally inept scumbags. But someone who has tried and simply failed is not deserving of insults and personal attacks. Just because no one will ever know who I am has not changed that fact for me. Names like "Butters", "Dumpling", "Fatso", "Bert", etc just show a huge case of immaturity from many of you, and I wonder how many of ya'll are what I asked...like this in real life or just keyboard warriors?

Btw...I'd take name calling for millions too, but that fact hasn't changed my stance on the personal attacks. I want him gone, but he's most likely struggling with this on a personal level. Who wouldn't? Having an entire nation see that you just can't cut it with the big boys. I doubt the money is taking that humiliation away.

When Enos's dad died, I wondered if it was Bret's dad, would the personal attacks stop. Cuz those situations help make many realize that everyone is human and is not far off from being just like us.

For so many today, disapproval of someone's job performance has to mean they are evil and must be hated too.  I like Bielema and all of the many fine qualities he has, which are many.  The fact that I think it's time for him to move on doesn't make me dislike him or his family and it shouldn't be that way for anyone else.  His big heart may end up being one of the reasons his teams have turned so soft.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: EastexHawg on November 10, 2017, 10:42:53 am
I want Bielema gone as much or more than anyone, but I have tried to refrain from calling him names.  I think I may have done it once.  I actually don't have nearly as much animosity toward Bielema as Long.  It's not Bielema's fault that he is incapable of winning at Arkansas.  I'm sure he would be more competent if he could.

As for other posters, I try to do the same with them.  If someone wants to disagree with me in a civil manner I will try to do the same.  If they want to get personal sometimes I let my competitive nature and anger get the best of me and stoop to their level.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 10:43:04 am
I'll call him Bert, Fat Boy and Shrek to his face. I don't care. I've been fat all my life. I was also made fun of all my life. It made me tough. This is life. Not everyone gets a trophy. Win 8-10 every year and no one cares.

Ah...cuz you were insulted, others should and deserve to be attacked personally too then? Makes sense.

And Iím sorry...but the ďeveryone doesnít deserve a trophyĒ argument has zero to do with this conversation. I agree with that thought 100%, but  CBB isnít getting a trophy. Heís gonna get canned. Heís gonna be humiliated in all the talk shows for not being as good as everyone thought he was. He participated and put forth a good effort, but heís not coming out of this with a sense of accomplishment for losing.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 10:46:39 am
He has quit.  He quit in recruiting and he had to know this would happen.  It's just not that easy.  He has been living the gravy train.  He is reaping what he sowed.  I am not a name caller but I will speak the truth and he is a lazy coach.  Which equals no success.

If I can just ask, at what point did he quit and in what areas? I mean, is there that much difference now from when he began to make it seem as though the effort changed? Iím pretty level headed and will entertain any thought, but the accusations of him quitting are odd to me.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: dpetty121263 on November 10, 2017, 10:46:58 am
Well even if Bert is let go and replaced I am not sure the situation will improve all that much for U of A Fayettenam as the Razorbacks are sucking hind tit for recruits..The biggest,fastest, best catchers and throwers are going elsewhere to bigger and better programs as Football is big business now and these players goes where they can get the best piece of the pie... Recruiting is the life blood to any program and I just think U of A Fayettenam is not a tour of duty many want to make...least wise these days..
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 10:47:24 am
Ah...cuz you were insulted, others should and deserve to be attacked personally too then? Makes sense.

And Iím sorry...but the ďeveryone doesnít deserve a trophyĒ argument has zero to do with this conversation. I agree with that thought 100%, but  CBB isnít getting a trophy. Heís gonna get canned. Heís gonna be humiliated in all the talk shows for not being as good as everyone thought he was. He participated and put forth a good effort, but heís not coming out of this with a sense of accomplishment for losing.

I wouldn't even bother. "Participation trophy", "snowflake", "Millennial", & etc have become buzzwords for those whose arguments can't hold up to scrutiny.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 10:50:45 am
I wouldn't even bother. "Participation trophy", "snowflake", "Millennial", & etc have become buzzwords for those whose arguments can't hold up to scrutiny.

Ha ha...true.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 10:51:47 am
He has quit.  He quit in recruiting and he had to know this would happen.  It's just not that easy.  He has been living the gravy train.  He is reaping what he sowed.  I am not a name caller but I will speak the truth and he is a lazy coach.  Which equals no success.

Code, there is a big difference between the very strong opinion you express and a previous post in this thread. I can't imagine that anyone finds fault with spirited debate among grown folks acting like grown folks.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: HawgTide on November 10, 2017, 10:52:48 am
I'll call him Bert, Fat Boy and Shrek to his face. I don't care. I've been fat all my life. I was also made fun of all my life. It made me tough. This is life. Not everyone gets a trophy. Win 8-10 every year and no one cares.


No you wouldn't. Save the internet tough guy talk. I'm sorry you were picked on, it doesn't make what you are doing ok.

CBB needs to be gone and will be shortly. The personal attacks on him are just sad and pathetic
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on November 10, 2017, 10:53:25 am
I try to keep it 100 so yes I'm an ass in real life too.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLineô on November 10, 2017, 10:53:25 am
I agree. Itís just sad to see grown men making 2nd grade insults to someone who tried but just failed.


 I am pretty sure that You and I have either had this conversation, or else we simply feel the same about it. The insults say more about the author than the insulted.
 I actually got to thinking about this while working last night and it caused me to drop prayers for CBB, Long, The Players and then the rest of us. I say a bunch of stupid and vulgar things without even thinking about it, but the name calling and derision I too find tasteless.
 I wish him well in his transition, but I also wish he would pull the plug on his time here and put all of us out of our misery. Even if he resigns and promises to stay until the last snap of the season, it would stop much of the vitriol. The only exception being when people disagree on why he sucks every time his name is brought up hereafter.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: BJJHog on November 10, 2017, 10:55:36 am
Couldn't agree more, green. I used to tell my college students that someone can take away anything you own, but the only way for you to lose your integrity is to give it away of your own volition. My parents taught me that, regardless of your state in life, you can always comport yourself with class and dignity. I fall short of that standard too often, but I try to keep it in front of me as a goal to reach.

I've always been proud to be an Arkansan because of the quality of the people. I hope that the appalling lack of civility I have witnessed on MMQB, and sometimes on JB, is an aberration brought about by frustration. We are better than this.

We can be frustrated and express an opinion without ad hominum attacks that dilute the power of our argument and the strength of our viewpoint.
Sir, that is so well said.  Thank you for reminding us.  It is a most humbling and edifying rebuke that we can all use.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: pattymac on November 10, 2017, 10:59:15 am
A old song with internet modifications.
 I want to be a keyboard Ranger, live the life of constant danger, carry a keyboard until I die.

Treat people as you would like to be treated.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 11:07:19 am
I try to keep it 100 so yes I'm an ass in real life too.

I appreciate the honestly and/or humor, but Iíll ask you this. What if it was his dad that died instead of Enos? Then being an ass is still all good?

If the answer is yes, then I feel bad for you.

If the answer is no, then why? Probably cuz itís moments like that that make us remember that there are more important things in life. This is always correct way of handling things, but we tend to forget this until tragedy strikes and itís too late.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: WaltonCollege on November 10, 2017, 11:07:39 am
Heís getting paid almost 5 million bucks Iíll call him what I want thanks tho
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on November 10, 2017, 11:12:57 am
He is getting paid enough that a few names probably doesn't really bother him much.

The fact that he sucks as a football coach probably bothers him more.

So everybody can call you anything they want because you're big enough to take it?  That's silly.  People shouldn't call him names just because he's lost games.  Calling him names is immature or worse. Anyone condoning that just because he should be able to take it is crazy.  That would be like saying hitting a great boxer is ok, because as a boxer he should be able to take a lick.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on November 10, 2017, 11:13:44 am
Heís getting paid almost 5 million bucks Iíll call him what I want thanks tho

We know you will. We aren't saying that you'll stop and be a man.  We're just saying you should.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: tusked on November 10, 2017, 11:14:25 am


Wow, just wow.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on November 10, 2017, 11:15:48 am
So, I know this will probably get removed but I'm just curious if the keyboard warriors on here actually act like this in real life? Or in other words, would you really call someone all sorts of insulting names to their face in real life?

I was raised to respect others. The only people I decide not to respect are morally inept scumbags. But someone who has tried and simply failed is not deserving of insults and personal attacks. Just because no one will ever know who I am has not changed that fact for me. Names like "Butters", "Dumpling", "Fatso", "Bert", etc just show a huge case of immaturity from many of you, and I wonder how many of ya'll are what I asked...like this in real life or just keyboard warriors?

Btw...I'd take name calling for millions too, but that fact hasn't changed my stance on the personal attacks. I want him gone, but he's most likely struggling with this on a personal level. Who wouldn't? Having an entire nation see that you just can't cut it with the big boys. I doubt the money is taking that humiliation away.

When Enos's dad died, I wondered if it was Bret's dad, would the personal attacks stop. Cuz those situations help make many realize that everyone is human and is not far off from being just like us.
yet you voted for Trump, who is all about said technique SMFH
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on November 10, 2017, 11:19:16 am
I'll call him Bert, Fat Boy and Shrek to his face. I don't care. I've been fat all my life. I was also made fun of all my life. It made me tough. This is life. Not everyone gets a trophy. Win 8-10 every year and no one cares.

People with screen names are always tougher than people that face television cameras every week while doing their job in front of thousands of on-site critics and millions of home viewing critics.  It is the screen name guys that are really the toughest people in the world.  They're not afraid of anything and they don't mind critique.  They can stand up to anybody.

Sincerely
Mark Barton
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 11:20:44 am
yet you voted for Trump, who is all about said technique SMFH

Wait...what?
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: PorkRinds on November 10, 2017, 11:20:44 am
yet you voted for Trump, who is all about said technique SMFH

Thatís a good point actually, although I agree with his post.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Pig In The City on November 10, 2017, 11:24:59 am
I agree. Itís just sad to see grown men making 2nd grade insults to someone who tried but just failed.


Well said. The job he was tasked to do was not an easy one. He had it in track in year three but got derailed somewhere. Doesnít matter now.  Donít kick a guy when he is down. Just time to move on for everyone.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on November 10, 2017, 11:25:35 am
I appreciate the honestly and/or humor, but Iíll ask you this. What if it was his dad that died instead of Enos? Then being an ass is still all good?

If the answer is yes, then I feel bad for you.

If the answer is no, then why? Probably cuz itís moments like that that make us remember that there are more important things in life. This is always correct way of handling things, but we tend to forget this until tragedy strikes and itís too late.

OFFS
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: jkstock04 on November 10, 2017, 11:26:00 am
Y'all are crying over commonplace. I don't call Bielema names because I find calling out what a piss poor coach he is plenty enough without making it personal.

But, the whining and crying over it simply because you like the guy or still think he should be our coach is laughable. Answer me this, what public figure in any field isn't subject to scrutiny or personal verbal attack?

Yes, morally its not the "right" thing. But instead of starting a campaign to simply protect Bielema or Long..maybe you should start the campaign to correct current human culture, or maybe even look in the mirror yourself and ask if you have ever done the same to someone you didn't approve of. Maybe your boss? Maybe a govt official in office? Etc.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on November 10, 2017, 11:29:49 am
Thatís a good point actually, although I agree with his post.

I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton. I skipped several races where I thought all the candidates were immoral or unethical to a point that I couldn't make myself vote for them.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 11:30:15 am
Heís getting paid almost 5 million bucks Iíll call him what I want thanks tho

This is not about him. It's about us.

I sometimes hear people express sympathy for big-time coaches because of how hard they work and how many hours they put in. No doubt they do, but they are generously compensated. My answer is always, "Okay. Tell you what. Put me in that position for a year and then can me because I don't win. I'll retire on the bread they pay those guys for one year."

We do not hurt others when we resort to ad hominem attacks. We simply hurt our own reputations.  Let's show those who see us from afar that we can be critical, if need be, in a way that raises the discourse, not lowers it. I think that is all that some of us are asking. Let's be the proud Arkansans our parents and grandparents reared us to be, and be the example needed by our children and our society.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 11:34:13 am
Y'all are crying over commonplace. I don't call Bielema names because I find calling out what a piss poor coach he is plenty enough without making it personal.

But, the whining and crying over it simply because you like the guy or still think he should be our coach is laughable. Answer me this, what public figure in any field isn't subject to scrutiny or personal verbal attack?

Yes, morally its not the "right" thing. But instead of starting a campaign to simply protect Bielema or Long..maybe you should start the campaign to correct current human culture, or maybe even look in the mirror yourself and ask if you have ever done the same to someone you didn't approve of. Maybe your boss? Maybe a govt official in office? Etc.

As I see it, it becomes more important to be respectful when you don't like someone. I make an effort to use politician's titles when criticising them. (ie Sec. Clinton, Pres. Trump)

How cheaply will you sell your dignity? I love the Hogs, but football isn't worth acting like a child.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLineô on November 10, 2017, 11:35:32 am
Heís getting paid almost 5 million bucks Iíll call him what I want thanks tho

 That stain is left on your shirt not his...
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLineô on November 10, 2017, 11:37:36 am
Y'all are crying over commonplace. I don't call Bielema names because I find calling out what a piss poor coach he is plenty enough without making it personal.

But, the whining and crying over it simply because you like the guy or still think he should be our coach is laughable.

 Answer me this, what public figure in any field isn't subject to scrutiny or personal verbal attack?

Yes, morally its not the "right" thing. But instead of starting a campaign to simply protect Bielema or Long..maybe you should start the campaign to correct current human culture, or maybe even look in the mirror yourself and ask if you have ever done the same to someone you didn't approve of. Maybe your boss? Maybe a govt official in office? Etc.

 And completely in your head...
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 11:39:10 am
Y'all are crying over commonplace. I don't call Bielema names because I find calling out what a piss poor coach he is plenty enough without making it personal.

But, the whining and crying over it simply because you like the guy or still think he should be our coach is laughable. Answer me this, what public figure in any field isn't subject to scrutiny or personal verbal attack?

Yes, morally its not the "right" thing. But instead of starting a campaign to simply protect Bielema or Long..maybe you should start the campaign to correct current human culture, or maybe even look in the mirror yourself and ask if you have ever done the same to someone you didn't approve of. Maybe your boss? Maybe a govt official in office? Etc.

I actually agree with your points. But donít think that because CBB is being discussed that anyone is against ďhelping our current cultureĒ. But if I was to try this, who should I have started out using as an example of overstepping our boundaries in the personal attacks on Hogville? CBB is the one used as he is the one who is attacked here. Yes, I like CBB as a person but I didnít just start having these standards in my life just when CBB was starting to spiral downward and the insults started up.

Calling out those who are discussing personal attacks to the current head coach of the Razorbacks and saying that we should try political figures first or our current boss is silly. This is where the attacks are regarding a current head coach. So this is an appropriate place to discuss such things. But donít assume that anyone who support that standard of class is ONLY practicing it here and not at their job, school, or wherever.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on November 10, 2017, 11:39:57 am
I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton. I skipped several races where I thought all the candidates were immoral or unethical to a point that I couldn't make myself vote for them.
i was just pointing out that it was our POTUS' technique, too. Crooked Hillary, Uncle Bernie, Lil Marco, yada yada yada
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on November 10, 2017, 11:40:04 am
To answer the original question, no, not everyone on here would. Some would, because people are people.

The internet, because of the relative anonymity it affords, gives people an opportunity to say things that previously would have been reserved for one-on-one or small group conversations around the water cooler or the hood of a truck.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Paul on November 10, 2017, 11:44:23 am
i was just pointing out that it was our POTUS' technique, too. Crooked Hillary, Uncle Bernie, Lil Marco, yada yada yada
  I agree.  I think he's on Hogville & reads this.  What pseudonym is he using?  Hmmm
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on November 10, 2017, 11:47:43 am
i was just pointing out that it was our POTUS' technique, too. Crooked Hillary, Uncle Bernie, Lil Marco, yada yada yada

Yes, Trump's technique is exactly like this.  I think I will benefit from his choices for Supreme Court Justices.  But I still couldn't justify voting for him because I think he's just too unethical and too argumentative to be my leader. He's the president because other people elected him.  But he's not my leader.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Smashmouth2004 on November 10, 2017, 11:49:04 am
Iím going to love reading the posts of some of you after Saturdayís game!
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 11:52:46 am
Iím going to love reading the posts of some of you after Saturdayís game!

Definitely follow what I say. Iíll assure you ďfatsoĒ, ďBertĒ, ďloserĒ, etc wonít be posted by me.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 11:56:39 am
Definitely follow what I say. Iíll assure you ďfatsoĒ, ďBertĒ, ďloserĒ, etc wonít be posted by me.

There are a few posters here that can not post without name calling or making it personal. They also can not accept that anyone might dare disagree with them. And these people are not all on one side of an argument.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 11:59:56 am
Think about this..a team losing football games drives these people to react this way. Think about how they will react when something happens closer to home that has real life consequences. Scary thought! BTW good post!
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Seebs on November 10, 2017, 12:23:35 pm
I will be notifying Gloria Allred to this thread so a class action can begin for those that have had their opinions besmirched, their feelings hurt and what they identify as (long hater, CBB lover) questioned.

When in court you may have one of those little black bars over your eyes as to not be identified.

Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Roy Bacon on November 10, 2017, 12:24:09 pm
Good post greenEGnHAWGS . I see a lot of threads here that I think I may be interested but once I open them and see all the nonsense , I lose interest . I like Bret and I'm not going to pretend to know what the answer to this mess is, but it is without doubt , time for him to go.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 12:25:13 pm
To answer the original question, no, not everyone on here would. Some would, because people are people.

The internet, because of the relative anonymity it affords, gives people an opportunity to say things that previously would have been reserved for one-on-one or small group conversations around the water cooler or the hood of a truck.

Wilson, would that the standard set on EI by you SPAL, UCA, and others permeated to every board. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: jkstock04 on November 10, 2017, 12:26:28 pm
I actually agree with your points. But donít think that because CBB is being discussed that anyone is against ďhelping our current cultureĒ. But if I was to try this, who should I have started out using as an example of overstepping our boundaries in the personal attacks on Hogville? CBB is the one used as he is the one who is attacked here. Yes, I like CBB as a person but I didnít just start having these standards in my life just when CBB was starting to spiral downward and the insults started up.

Calling out those who are discussing personal attacks to the current head coach of the Razorbacks and saying that we should try political figures first or our current boss is silly. This is where the attacks are regarding a current head coach. So this is an appropriate place to discuss such things. But donít assume that anyone who support that standard of class is ONLY practicing it here and not at their job, school, or wherever.
I see an obvious bias. You like the guy so you take it personal. I would wager if it were a coach you didn't like and cheap shots were taken at him you wouldn't start a thread complaining about it.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 12:26:40 pm
Wilson, would that the standard set on EI by you SPAL, UCA, and others permeated to every board. Thanks for that.

And MMQB would have about as many posters as does EI, which is why that wont happen in mmqb
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on November 10, 2017, 12:27:51 pm
Wilson, would that the standard set on EI by you SPAL, UCA, and others permeated to every board. Thanks for that.

No. EI, in fact, is the way I wish every forum on here was run. It's made possible because the number of regular posters in EI is small in comparison with MMQB and Jump Ball.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: jkstock04 on November 10, 2017, 12:28:44 pm
Think about this..a team losing football games drives these people to react this way. Think about how they will react when something happens closer to home that has real life consequences. Scary thought! BTW good post!
Hilarious. You are one of the top 10, probably top 5 people on here who make things very personal.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 12:28:51 pm
I see an obvious bias. You like the guy so you take it personal. I would wager if it were a coach you didn't like and cheap shots were taken at him you wouldn't start a thread complaining about it.

HEre is the question. IF you think BB has done a bad job, why not just post " I think BB has done a bad job."?  Why do some feel it necessary to post " Bert is just a big fatty loser, he is not capable of coaching a pee wee team."   
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 12:32:40 pm
And MMQB would have about as many posters as does EI, which is why that wont happen in mmqb

You think so? Is it not due more to the relative popularity of football and baseball on HV? Personally, I like baseball & basketball better than football, but I want all UA endeavors to be successful. I think I post more on EI & JB than I do on MMQB (today notwithstanding), but I couldn't swear to it.

Maybe you're right. Maybe it's the idea of debate. I only know that I tend to stay away from MMQB after a loss because of the nature of much of the posting.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 12:34:02 pm
No. EI, in fact, is the way I wish every forum on here was run. It's made possible because the number of regular posters in EI is small in comparison with MMQB and Jump Ball.

Okay. Thanks anyway. EI is the best.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: 007 License To Squeal on November 10, 2017, 12:35:06 pm
I would think part of his job is to be a good example in representing U of A.  Wearing shorts and flip flops to a presser is not a good image......
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: jkstock04 on November 10, 2017, 12:37:09 pm
HEre is the question. IF you think BB has done a bad job, why not just post " I think BB has done a bad job."?  Why do some feel it necessary to post " Bert is just a big fatty loser, he is not capable of coaching a pee wee team."   
I don't know...I don't partake in that stuff because calling what a piss poor coach he is, is plenty enough without the personal stuff. But on the other hand, it doesn't trigger me. I've seen this movie before and that's just way she goes, especially on the internet.

Polarizing...or negativity viewed public figures are going to catch hell.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Birminghog on November 10, 2017, 12:38:13 pm
I would think part of his job is to be a good example in representing U of A.  Wearing shorts and flip flops to a presser is not a good image......

Can't disagree with that. Well put.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Wild Boarnado on November 10, 2017, 12:45:34 pm
Good post. Thanks for expressing my thoughts. We are all human beings - all brothers and sisters - all children of God - I was brought up to respect others and to be kind to them even if I disagreed with them. That don't make me a good person - I'm no better than any other - it just makes me a person who tries to treat others as I would like to be treated.

As to the Internet being cruel - The Internet is us - we are each a part of it - we each need to be the change we want to see in how we treat each other - it won't cure the wounded who continue to be mean to others - in fact there are those who's main mission seems to be one of trying to be as cruel to others as they can - but even they are no reason for us to join 'em.  The more of us who strive to be kinder to each other, the more the Internet will be a kinder place.

Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on November 10, 2017, 12:45:49 pm
You think so? Is it not due more to the relative popularity of football and baseball on HV? Personally, I like baseball & basketball better than football, but I want all UA endeavors to be successful. I think I post more on EI & JB than I do on MMQB (today notwithstanding), but I couldn't swear to it.

Maybe you're right. Maybe it's the idea of debate. I only know that I tend to stay away from MMQB after a loss because of the nature of much of the posting.

hogsanity is right this time

MMQB is a little too extreme especially right now.  The forum I refuse to name is extreme the other way. 
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 10, 2017, 12:46:20 pm
Hilarious. You are one of the top 10, probably top 5 people on here who make things very personal.
I'm sure you have plenty of examples..Am I perfect? No. But if calling people out for lies qualifies as making things personal, then I'm guilty. 
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: ShadowHawg on November 10, 2017, 12:54:33 pm
Most of the posters here wouldnít dare talk the crap they they do here in person.

But I also think things can be taken wrong because there is a lot of comunication that canít be translated to the internet.

I see people missing things like sarcasm constantly for instance.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on November 10, 2017, 02:30:55 pm
Most of the posters here wouldnít dare talk the crap they they do here in person.

But I also think things can be taken wrong because there is a lot of comunication that canít be translated to the internet.

I see people missing things like sarcasm constantly for instance.

You know what else.  Most coaches wouldn't talk in public like they talk in the locker room or meeting rooms.  Most business people wouldn't talk in public like they talk in the office or when decisions are being made, strategies planned, or asses being chewed.  They don't use the same tone, tenor, and language in a meeting with a customers as they would in an internal meeting.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: CareBear on November 10, 2017, 04:01:06 pm
Hilarious. You are one of the top 10, probably top 5 people on here who make things very personal.
Yes he is.
I donít have an enemy in this world. I am friends with all of my ex gfís. There are no dudes that I have beef with. Some of us on here who have been on record voicing our collective concerns about the ineptitude of this coaching staff & AD have been attacked with childish personal jabs & quips. I reckon thatís what one does when their argument starts going to sh*t. Perhaps more attention should be given to the real problems that have come to characterize the train wreck that has been CBBís tenure as the Razorback coach vs trying to bully those of us who donít fall in line like sheep every time we hear #uncommon or ďbe patient, let him get his guys in here. Itís comingĒ
I just want OUR beloved Razorbacks to be back in the hands of people who know how much that HOG (classic version) means to this state. The Razorbacks have represented the collective spirit of our wonderful state. There could not be a more fitting mascot than the Razorback for our state. I feel that we are welcoming, intelligent, & generally nice folks who will give people the benefit of the doubt...but if one brings bad intentions our way we will come back at those folks with the ferocity of a wild HOG!
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on November 10, 2017, 04:57:36 pm
So, I know this will probably get removed but I'm just curious if the keyboard warriors on here actually act like this in real life? Or in other words, would you really call someone all sorts of insulting names to their face in real life?

I was raised to respect others. The only people I decide not to respect are morally inept scumbags. But someone who has tried and simply failed is not deserving of insults and personal attacks. Just because no one will ever know who I am has not changed that fact for me. Names like "Butters", "Dumpling", "Fatso", "Bert", etc just show a huge case of immaturity from many of you, and I wonder how many of ya'll are what I asked...like this in real life or just keyboard warriors?

Btw...I'd take name calling for millions too, but that fact hasn't changed my stance on the personal attacks. I want him gone, but he's most likely struggling with this on a personal level. Who wouldn't? Having an entire nation see that you just can't cut it with the big boys. I doubt the money is taking that humiliation away.

When Enos's dad died, I wondered if it was Bret's dad, would the personal attacks stop. Cuz those situations help make many realize that everyone is human and is not far off from being just like us.
I've most certainly gone to the "dark side" over the past month to six weeks. I want the guy gone as soon as yesterday. However, I agree that personal attacks through the name calling is not infantile but also unnecessary. Whether it's about the guy's weight or whatever....let it go. Offers nothing to the argument and only makes the poster sound childish. When it's all said and done I obviously can't explain why some insist on doing it. Perhaps it makes them somehow feel more worthwhile.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on November 10, 2017, 05:03:57 pm
Well even if Bert is let go and replaced I am not sure the situation will improve all that much for U of A Fayettenam as the Razorbacks are sucking hind tit for recruits..The biggest,fastest, best catchers and throwers are going elsewhere to bigger and better programs as Football is big business now and these players goes where they can get the best piece of the pie... Recruiting is the life blood to any program and I just think U of A Fayettenam is not a tour of duty many want to make...least wise these days..
Not sure many expect an instant miracle even if a new coach comes in. However, every turn of a program has to begin somewhere and with the right man to lead it. And that's what we obviously hoping for. And as for your comments about U of A not being able to attract quality players because of whatever....crapola.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on November 10, 2017, 05:07:28 pm
I'll call him Bert, Fat Boy and Shrek to his face. I don't care. I've been fat all my life. I was also made fun of all my life. It made me tough. This is life. Not everyone gets a trophy. Win 8-10 every year and no one cares.
So.....because YOU'VE been picked on and called names, to which you admit, you figure that makes it automatically right and somehow manly to do the same with someone else. You say you'd call CBB names to his face. Well, I truly wonder about that. Most of those claiming such are truly cowards at heart. Easy to sit behind a key board and be a tough guy; far different matter to "man up" and do it.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 10, 2017, 05:11:07 pm
You know what else.  Most coaches wouldn't talk in public like they talk in the locker room or meeting rooms.  Most business people wouldn't talk in public like they talk in the office or when decisions are being made, strategies planned, or asses being chewed.  They don't use the same tone, tenor, and language in a meeting with a customers as they would in an internal meeting.

Yes. People use different language, tone, etc in different situations. But I'm not exactly sure where that plays into this. So, at which point in any conversation is it ok to call people fatty, fatso, dumplings, or butters? Is there a time for that? If you can think of a situation, I'm sure that situation is NOT to a guy who is trying to win with the team we love, but just couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on November 10, 2017, 10:17:42 pm
Y'all are crying over commonplace. I don't call Bielema names because I find calling out what a piss poor coach he is plenty enough without making it personal.

But, the whining and crying over it simply because you like the guy or still think he should be our coach is laughable. Answer me this, what public figure in any field isn't subject to scrutiny or personal verbal attack?

Yes, morally its not the "right" thing. But instead of starting a campaign to simply protect Bielema or Long..maybe you should start the campaign to correct current human culture, or maybe even look in the mirror yourself and ask if you have ever done the same to someone you didn't approve of. Maybe your boss? Maybe a govt official in office? Etc.

Itís not about him. Itís about ďusĒ.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on November 10, 2017, 10:19:47 pm
This is not about him. It's about us.

I sometimes hear people express sympathy for big-time coaches because of how hard they work and how many hours they put in. No doubt they do, but they are generously compensated. My answer is always, "Okay. Tell you what. Put me in that position for a year and then can me because I don't win. I'll retire on the bread they pay those guys for one year."

We do not hurt others when we resort to ad hominem attacks. We simply hurt our own reputations.  Let's show those who see us from afar that we can be critical, if need be, in a way that raises the discourse, not lowers it. I think that is all that some of us are asking. Let's be the proud Arkansans our parents and grandparents reared us to be, and be the example needed by our children and our society.

I swear I did not see this post before I wrote my previous post
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on November 10, 2017, 10:24:46 pm
So, I know this will probably get removed but I'm just curious if the keyboard warriors on here actually act like this in real life? Or in other words, would you really call someone all sorts of insulting names to their face in real life?

I was raised to respect others. The only people I decide not to respect are morally inept scumbags. But someone who has tried and simply failed is not deserving of insults and personal attacks. Just because no one will ever know who I am has not changed that fact for me. Names like "Butters", "Dumpling", "Fatso", "Bert", etc just show a huge case of immaturity from many of you, and I wonder how many of ya'll are what I asked...like this in real life or just keyboard warriors?

Btw...I'd take name calling for millions too, but that fact hasn't changed my stance on the personal attacks. I want him gone, but he's most likely struggling with this on a personal level. Who wouldn't? Having an entire nation see that you just can't cut it with the big boys. I doubt the money is taking that humiliation away.

When Enos's dad died, I wondered if it was Bret's dad, would the personal attacks stop. Cuz those situations help make many realize that everyone is human and is not far off from being just like us.

So awesome of you to post this and as I read responses giving you props from posters whom have been 1000% negative to everything you mentioned with "good post bro" makes me laugh to no end...Good luck keeping the chuckle heads at bay...I applaud you sir for being a decent human being and not attacking CBB and countless others with slanderous bullcrap but sticking to the disappointing expectations of the University of Arkansas Football Team!!! Bravo you kind sir and SPITE anyone whom give you sh*t for posting your ADULT opinion...👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🏈🐗
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: From Tusk Till Dawn on November 11, 2017, 12:12:06 am
Great post.  I enjoy the back and forth, the sarcasm, point and counter point.  Spirited debate is fun.  Personal attacks derail the conversation and in my mind just make you look small.  When it happens, its typically followed by alot of piling on which emboldens everyone to go a little further.  Typical herd mentality.  The only good part about that is you know who to discount right away.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Torqued pork on November 11, 2017, 12:56:46 am
Bielema is an easy target. He's a middle-aged man who makes more $ per year than most will make in a lifetime and he has made it after predicting new heights while delivering historical lows. Throw in the fact that he shows no sign of caring about his health or appearance but landed a trophy wife anyway and he's been living every man's dream minus his horrible job performance.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Sow Lancelot on November 11, 2017, 05:47:10 am
Think about this..a team of 18-22 year-olds losing football games drives these people to react this way. Think about how they will react when something happens closer to home that has real life consequences. Scary thought! BTW good post!
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: Pork Twain on November 11, 2017, 06:12:12 am
I am sarcastic, but try to avoid personal attacks.  Unless I am pushed and then the gloves are off.  I am always honest to a fault though and relentless.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: RexMentor on November 11, 2017, 06:36:15 am
The problem is that for many in this state, the fortunes of the football team are our fortunes. We rise or fall as they rise or fall. The success or failure of 18 to 22 year olds is our success or failure. It's that way elsewhere, too. It's always been that way and will continue to be that way. In the Byzantine Empire, there were two factions at the chariot races  in the Hippodrome -- the blues and the greens. They would often go to war with each other over the results of the races. It's the same way today -- the only difference is today it's a war of words waged long distance with keyboards as our weapons.
Title: Re: Keyboard Warriors
Post by: VBHOG on November 11, 2017, 06:42:42 am
I have no problem with BB possibly being humiliated over losing this job. He came into it with no humility and full of bluster. He arrived running his mouth about what he was going to do in the SEC, comparing his Big 10 record to Sabanís, picking fights with other coaches, whining about pace of play in the interest of player safety while at the same time playing Brandon Allen when he could barely raise his arm, talking about death certificates, pissing off a large group of high school coaches in what should be a fertile recruiting ground because they play a different style than he prefers, etc., etc. He needed to be humbled. Karma.

That being said, I absolutely agree with the OP about the name calling and personal attacks. Itís juvenile and takes away from other possibly good points that are being made.